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    cons [2470] 17.09.07 02:49 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Jeg fant ikke noe eget sagbruk-forum her, men er det noen som vet om det er noen sagbruk sør for denne, altså i retning Tønsberg. (Innenfor en distanse av 2-3 mil sørover).

    Og som var i drift i begynnelsen av 80-årene?

    Og det var en liten landhandel/kolonial på veien opp fra E18.

    http://www.gulesider.no/kart/map.c?ps=4&companies=&id=c_Z001DIS0&n=59.5570815997285&s=59.4695234002715&e=10.2197297458069&w=9.95774805419312&zoom=3&tool=zoom&scrollX=0&scrollY=0

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    Find Member’s Posts Sep 12 2007, 06:08 PM Post #1

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    Why is Gravesen being refered to as ‘Graveson’ all the time.

    Don’t Brits know that names ending on -son are Swedish, and that names ending on -sen are Danish
    or Norwegian?

    I’m refering to the poster at the places they are selling the Echo, it says ‘Graveson injury scare’.

    And also hes being refered to as Graveson on this message-board all the time as well.

    Just curious.

    I mean, I guess he could pass for being a Swede, but anyway he has been playing in the club for
    many years.

    Or I guess it’s me being Scandinavian, I’m used to which country who is having which name-ending
    from before.
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    i can spell so i always put gravesen

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    these threads get made alot. people make spelling mistakes get over it.

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    QUOTE(johncons @ Sep 12 2007, 06:08 PM)
    Why is Gravesen being refered to as ‘Graveson’ all the time.

    Don’t Brits know that names ending on -son are Swedish, and that names ending on -sen are Danish
    or Norwegian?

    I’m refering to the poster at the places they are selling the Echo, it says ‘Graveson injury scare’.

    And also hes being refered to as Graveson on this message-board all the time as well.

    Just curious.

    I mean, I guess he could pass for being a Swede, but anyway he has been playing in the club for
    many years.

    Or I guess it’s me being Scandinavian, I’m used to which country who is having which name-ending
    from before.

    know exactly what you mean. i havent slept in weeks worrying about this exact issue. i’m starting to look like shit.

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    QUOTE(Toffee boy @ Sep 12 2007, 06:18 PM)
    these threads get made alot. people make spelling mistakes get over it.

    I understand it when it is on the message-board.

    But when it’s on the posters for the newspaper-stands as well.

    One should reackon that journalists would know how to spell the name of a player that has been playing
    for Everton, for what is it, 5 years(?), shouldn’t one?
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    QUOTE(johncons @ Sep 12 2007, 06:08 PM)
    Why is Gravesen being refered to as ‘Graveson’ all the time.

    Don’t Brits know that names ending on -son are Swedish, and that names ending on -sen are Danish
    or Norwegian?

    I’m refering to the poster at the places they are selling the Echo, it says ‘Graveson injury scare’.

    And also hes being refered to as Graveson on this message-board all the time as well.

    Just curious.

    I mean, I guess he could pass for being a Swede, but anyway he has been playing in the club for
    many years.

    Or I guess it’s me being Scandinavian, I’m used to which country who is having which name-ending
    from before.

    No, but I know how Gravesen is spelled

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    QUOTE(Kev @ Sep 12 2007, 06:38 PM)
    No, but I know how Gravesen is spelled

    Yeah, thats what I thought the journalists should know as well.

    I’m sorry btw. is was ‘Graveson injury shock’ on the poster.

    (I went back to the newspaper-stand, but they were closed, and I nicked the poster, since I didn’t think were
    going to need it tomorrow anyway.

    I’m going to explain it them next time I’m there, just incase they miss the poster).
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    QUOTE(johncons @ Sep 12 2007, 06:48 PM)
    Yeah, thats what I thought the journalists should know as well.

    I’m sorry btw. is was ‘Graveson injury shock’ on the poster.

    (I went back to the newspaper-stand, but they were closed, and I nicked the poster, since I didn’t think were
    going to need it tomorrow anyway.

    I’m going to explain it them next time I’m there, just incase they miss the poster).

    have you been bored today?

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    QUOTE(johncons @ Sep 12 2007, 06:08 PM)
    Why is Gravesen being refered to as ‘Graveson’ all the time.

    Don’t Brits know that names ending on -son are Swedish, and that names ending on -sen are Danish
    or Norwegian?

    I’m refering to the poster at the places they are selling the Echo, it says ‘Graveson injury scare’.

    And also hes being refered to as Graveson on this message-board all the time as well.

    Just curious.

    I mean, I guess he could pass for being a Swede, but anyway he has been playing in the club for
    many years.

    Or I guess it’s me being Scandinavian, I’m used to which country who is having which name-ending
    from before.

    take you have nothing better to do with your time apart from worry about things like that??

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    QUOTE(Toffee boy @ Sep 12 2007, 07:09 PM)
    have you been bored today?

    Well, not really I was a bit tired in the morning, and then I woke up by the fire-alarm.

    And then the fire-brigade arrived, and pulled out the fire in the new african girl’s appartment.

    Then started chatting with the new Polish girl outside.

    Agata I think it was, she had been living in Lpool for two weeks, and was working, didn’t speak
    that good English, she lived in the building with two others.

    I didn’t think I should stand there chatting with her all day (since she had a boyfriend), so I went
    to the park, and then to the food-shop.

    And then on my way home I saw the poster.

    Then I wrote this thread.

    I thought I had to check the poster again in case I was mistaking.

    But they were closed, but I didn’t think it was that serious if I nicked/borrowed the poster.

    And now I’ve scanned it and put in my blog, just to show that I’m not lying here.

    Link to blog: http://johncons.angelfire.com/blog/
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    fucking hell…

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    QUOTE(johncons @ Sep 12 2007, 07:28 PM)
    Well, not really I was a bit tired in the morning, and then I woke up by the fire-alarm.

    And then the fire-brigade arrived, and pulled out the fire in the new african girl’s appartment.

    Then started chatting with the new Polish girl outside.

    Agata I think it was, she had been living in Lpool for two weeks, and was working, didn’t speak
    that good English, she lived in the building with two others.

    I didn’t think I should stand there chatting with her all day (since she had a boyfriend), so I went
    to the park, and then to the food-shop.

    And then on my way home I saw the poster.

    Then I wrote this thread.

    I thought I had to check the poster again in case I was mistaking.

    But they were closed, but I didn’t think it was that serious if I nicked/borrowed the poster.

    And now I’ve scanned it and put in my blog, just to show that I’m not lying here.

    Link to blog: http://johncons.angelfire.com/blog/

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    It just doesnt matter at all.

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    QUOTE(Steve Wigan @ Sep 12 2007, 10:54 PM)
    Are you Woody Allen ?

    I’m a bit slow.

    Please explain.
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    QUOTE(Gilbert @ Sep 12 2007, 06:25 PM)
    i’m starting to look like shit.

    Does this worry you?
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    QUOTE(Steve Wigan @ Sep 12 2007, 10:54 PM)
    Are you Woody Allen ?

    It is!

    LMFAO

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    QUOTE(johncons @ Sep 12 2007, 07:28 PM)
    And now I’ve scanned it and put in my blog, just to show that I’m not lying here.

    Link to blog: http://johncons.angelfire.com/blog/

    Oh look, you have a blog.

    When I have a couple of days to kill I will check it out.

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    well it does matter but not that much

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    QUOTE(johncons @ Sep 12 2007, 06:08 PM)
    Why is Gravesen being refered to as ‘Graveson’ all the time.

    It’s spelt “Money grabbing, fickle turd”.

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    it annoys me a lil bit too. I cant believe why people never learn how to spell his name when he has been at the club for so many years. It’s not THAT hard!

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    Brits are dumb cunts. Thats the answer.

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    QUOTE(stigi @ Sep 13 2007, 09:24 AM)
    Brits are dumb cunts. Thats the answer.

    Or don’t care about trivia perhaps.

    If all we had to bother about was shagging gorgeous blondes in the sauna, the last thing I’d be anal about is Gravesen bloody name……FFS!

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    QUOTE(Norwegian Cow @ Sep 13 2007, 09:22 AM)
    it annoys me a lil bit too. I cant believe why people never learn how to spell his name when he has been at the club for so many years. It’s not THAT hard!

    Maybe they think he’s a Swede, I mean he could pass for being a Swede, but I think at least the journalists should have learned that he is a Dane
    by now, or at least maybe how to spell the name.

    But I guess it’s tricky with the Scandinavian names for the Brits, easier for us Norwegians who are used to them from before.
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    QUOTE(johncons @ Sep 13 2007, 05:36 PM)
    Maybe they think he’s a Swede, I mean he could pass for being a Swede, but I think at least the journalists should have learned that he is a Dane
    by now, or at least maybe how to spell the name.

    But I guess it’s tricky with the Scandinavian names for the Brits, easier for us Norwegians who are used to them from before.

    Maybe they are missing Alexandersson and Blomqvist, and want Gravesen to get his old hairstyle back.

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    QUOTE(johncons @ Sep 12 2007, 06:08 PM)
    Why is Gravesen being refered to as ‘Graveson’ all the time.

    Don’t Brits know that names ending on -son are Swedish, and that names ending on -sen are Danish
    or Norwegian?

    I’m refering to the poster at the places they are selling the Echo, it says ‘Graveson injury scare’.

    And also hes being refered to as Graveson on this message-board all the time as well.

    Just curious.

    I mean, I guess he could pass for being a Swede, but anyway he has been playing in the club for
    many years.

    Or I guess it’s me being Scandinavian, I’m used to which country who is having which name-ending
    from before.

    may be we should have a demonstration at the united game me and you turn up we could out number KEIOC

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    QUOTE(billybb @ Sep 15 2007, 01:02 AM)
    may be we should have a demonstration at the united game me and you turn up we could out number KEIOC

    Yeah, it’s a good idea, but I guess I’m going to be watching it on live stream as usual.

    Maybe on a later occation.
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    QUOTE(Gilbert @ Sep 12 2007, 06:25 PM)
    i havent slept in weeks worrying about this exact issue. i’m starting to look like shit.

    think you’ve got that bit wrong, mate.

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    QUOTE(johncons @ Sep 12 2007, 06:08 PM)
    Why is Gravesen being refered to as ‘Graveson’ all the time.

    Don’t Brits know that names ending on -son are Swedish, and that names ending on -sen are Danish
    or Norwegian?

    I’m refering to the poster at the places they are selling the Echo, it says ‘Graveson injury scare’.

    And also hes being refered to as Graveson on this message-board all the time as well.

    Just curious.

    I mean, I guess he could pass for being a Swede, but anyway he has been playing in the club for
    many years.

    Or I guess it’s me being Scandinavian, I’m used to which country who is having which name-ending
    from before.

    Dont take this the wrong way mate but i dont care how his name is spelt he is a headless chicken

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    QUOTE(hbl @ Sep 15 2007, 03:43 PM)
    Dont take this the wrong way mate but i dont care how his name is spelt he is a headless chicken

    No problem.

    I should have explained in the first post that it was the journalists I meant.

    That I think at least the journalists should have learned to spell the name right by now.

    I put a picture of the poster on my blog, but I have some other stuff on top of the blog, so I’ll
    try to post the picture here as well, while I’m at it writing here.

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    A bit tricky to put the whole poster in the scanner at once though.

    But I made one more scan:

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    I really do hope this thread is a wind up

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    QUOTE(johncons @ Sep 16 2007, 12:07 AM)
    A bit tricky to put the whole poster in the scanner at once though.

    But I made one more scan:

    Nope, I’ve got a picture of the poster on my mobile as well.

    I haven’t tried to send MMS’s from virgin pay as you go mobiles before.

    But if there is some way to send an MMS to a service that makes it possible to get the picture on an URL.

    Eighter that, or I could send the picture to someone who has got a bluethoot drodle or what its called again.

    If anywant the picture, just email me on eribsskog@gmail.com or erik.ribsskog@btinternet.com

    And I’ll try to check how much the bluetooth drodles (or whatever they are called) costs again.
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    QUOTE(killthekopite @ Sep 16 2007, 03:38 PM)
    remember this?

    And whats the exact relevance again to this thread?

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    cons [2333] 05.09.07 09:37 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    (‘Ugler i mosen’ er egentlig et dansk utrykk som kommer fra ‘ulver i mosen’, (som betyr ulver
    i myra), men da den siste ulven ble skutt i Danmark i 1813, så skiftet de det til ‘ugler i
    mosen’ i stedet).

    http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugler_i_mosen

    (Jeg bruker en litt fleipete tone her, for at det ikke skal bli for alvorlig).

    Som jeg forklarte i dette inlegget:

    http://vg.transact.no/Item.asp?GroupID=132&Group=Politikk+%2D+Norsk&ThreadID=1270425&Thread=%27Ugler%20i%20mosen%27%20i%20Justisdepartementet%3F

    , så har det vært en del problemer med ‘ugler i mosen’ hos justisdepartementet.

    Men i forbindelse med korrespansen angående problemene med Kripos, så var jeg også i kontakt
    med Fornyings og administrasjonsdepartementet (gjennom Norge.no).

    Jeg blingsa litt, og trodde først det var _forsynings_ og adminstrasjonsdepartementet, at
    det var et nytt ‘tulle-departement’ som regjeringen hadde ‘oppfunnet’ (kanskje de trengte et
    nytt departement for å få nok departementer til hvert parti eller noe), siden jeg ikke hadde
    hørt noe om noe forsynings-departement før.

    Men jeg søkte litt på nettet, så viste det seg at dette departmentet ble opprettet i fjor, og
    de har ansvar for ‘organisering av staten’.

    http://www.regjeringen.no/nb/dep/fad/dep.html?id=344.

    Jeg er ikke helt sikker på om hvem som hadde ansvaret for organiseringen av staten tidligere,
    men det er en annen sak.

    Men det som er, er at hvis de har ansvaret for organiseringen av staten, så burde de vel også
    klare å organisere ferie-planene sine?

    I e-posten jeg fikk fra dem 16/8, (som svar på e-posten jeg sendte dem 22/7), så stårt det: ‘Vi
    beklager at du ikke har fått svar tidligere. Posten ble sendt direkte til meg, og jeg har hatt
    ferie siden 20. juli.’.

    (E-posten er en av de første i denne bloggen: [url]http://johncons.angelfire.com/blog/[/url]).

    Men personen skriver ikke navnet sitt.

    Så siden de bruker fire uker på å sende meg svar på det spørsmålet, og ikke oppgir navn, selv
    om de henviser til seg selv og sin ferie, så lurer jeg på om det kan være noe ‘muffens’ ute å
    går også i fornyelses og administrasjons-departementet.

    Så da tenker jeg, hvem er det som har interesse av å lage ‘ugler i mosen’ og ‘muffens’, ut av
    problemer med noen spørsmål ang. org. kriminalitet osv, som det er problemer med saksgangen
    for hos Kripos?

    Vel når det er snakk om to forskjellige departementer, så må jo deres overordnede være involvert,
    Dvs. SMK.

    Så er det radarparet Kolberg og ‘kamerat Stalkov’ (vits) som er ute og ‘uglemoser’?

    Det kan nesten virke sånn da for meg, siden det er to departementer pluss Kripos involvert i
    ‘uglemoseringen’.

    Jeg har hatt organisasjon som fag på høyskole osv, men jeg er ikke noe ekspert på det, så det
    hadde vært morsomt å høre hvordan tror andre tror dette kan være?

    Tilbakemeldinger mottas med takk.

    [Endret 05.09.07 09:37 av cons]
    [Endret 05.09.07 09:38 av cons]
    SMasterG [889] 05.09.07 09:43 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Du kan starte med å få litt “orden” på innlegget ditt. 🙂

    Hva er det du egentlig vil frem til?
    cons [2334] 05.09.07 13:07 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Ja vi får prøve en gang til, var vriene de hyperlenkene:

    (‘Ugler i mosen’ er egentlig et dansk utrykk som kommer fra ‘ulver i mosen’, (som betyr ulver
    i myra), men da den siste ulven ble skutt i Danmark i 1813, så skiftet de det til ‘ugler i
    mosen’ i stedet).

    http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugler_i_mosen

    (Jeg bruker en litt fleipete tone her, for at det ikke skal bli for alvorlig).

    Som jeg forklarte i dette inlegget:

    http://vg.transact.no/Item.asp?GroupID=132&Group=Politikk+%2D+Norsk&ThreadID=1270425&Thread=%27Ugler+i+mosen%27+i+Justisdepartementet%3F&Page=-1#19348843

    , så har det vært en del problemer med ‘ugler i mosen’ hos justisdepartementet.

    Men i forbindelse med korrespansen angående problemene med Kripos, så var jeg også i kontakt
    med Fornyings og administrasjonsdepartementet (gjennom Norge.no).

    Jeg blingsa litt, og trodde først det var _forsynings_ og adminstrasjonsdepartementet, at
    det var et nytt ‘tulle-departement’ som regjeringen hadde ‘oppfunnet’ (kanskje de trengte et
    nytt departement for å få nok departementer til hvert parti eller noe), siden jeg ikke hadde
    hørt noe om noe forsynings-departement før.

    Men jeg søkte litt på nettet, så viste det seg at dette departmentet ble opprettet i fjor, og
    de har ansvar for ‘organisering av staten’.

    http://www.regjeringen.no/nb/dep/fad/dep.html?id=344

    Jeg er ikke helt sikker på om hvem som hadde ansvaret for organiseringen av staten tidligere,
    men det er en annen sak.

    Men det som er, er at hvis de har ansvaret for organiseringen av staten, så burde de vel også
    klare å organisere ferie-planene sine?

    I e-posten jeg fikk fra dem 16/8, (som svar på e-posten jeg sendte dem 22/7), så stårt det: ‘Vi
    beklager at du ikke har fått svar tidligere. Posten ble sendt direkte til meg, og jeg har hatt
    ferie siden 20. juli.’.

    (E-posten er en av de første i denne bloggen:

    [url]http://johncons.angelfire.com/blog/[/url] ).

    Men personen skriver ikke navnet sitt.

    Så siden de bruker fire uker på å sende meg svar på det spørsmålet, og ikke oppgir navn, selv
    om de henviser til seg selv og sin ferie, så lurer jeg på om det kan være noe ‘muffens’ ute å
    går også i fornyelses og administrasjons-departementet.

    Så da tenker jeg, hvem er det som har interesse av å lage ‘ugler i mosen’ og ‘muffens’, ut av
    problemer med noen spørsmål ang. org. kriminalitet osv, som det er problemer med saksgangen
    for hos Kripos?

    Vel når det er snakk om to forskjellige departementer, så må jo deres overordnede være involvert,
    Dvs. SMK.

    Så er det radarparet Kolberg og ‘kamerat Stalkov’ (vits) som er ute og ‘uglemoser’?

    Det kan nesten virke sånn da for meg, siden det er to departementer pluss Kripos involvert i
    ‘uglemoseringen’.

    Jeg har hatt organisasjon som fag på høyskole osv, men jeg er ikke noe ekspert på det, så det
    hadde vært morsomt å høre hvordan tror andre tror dette kan være?

    Tilbakemeldinger mottas med takk.

    cons [2335] 05.09.07 13:10 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Mulig det var en regel med tre hyperlenker i hver post, her er den siste lenken:

    http://johncons.angelfire.com/blog/
    Rainmaker [12919] 05.09.07 13:12 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Jeg spør som SMasterG; Hva vil du fram til?
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    cons [2336] 05.09.07 13:25 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Jeg er litt bekymret siden de departementene osv. lager så amatørmessige feil, så jeg lurte hva dette kan skyldes.

    For man skulle vel tro at departementer som er en del av mydighetene og regjeringen, skulle klare å kommunisere på en profesjonell måte.

    Så når de ikke klarer det, så lurer på hva dette skyldes.

    Og jeg synes temaene burde behandles på en profesjonell måte, og når jeg ikke klarer å se at de blir det, så lurer jeg på hva det kan skyldes.

    Derav utrykket ‘ugler i mosen’, det virker som om noe er ‘galt’ et eller annet sted, pga. de amatør-messige feilene.

    Det jeg prøver å få råd om, er om det er noen som skjønner hva hva problemene kan skyldes.
    Kverulant-1 [5646] 05.09.07 14:33 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Konspirasjonsteoretikere har sjelden orden på noe som helst. Det de trenger er først og fremst et opphold på Gaustad eller Dikemark for å få orden på hodene sine.

    cons [2451] 16.09.07 18:00 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Får prøve å ta en oppdatering på denne.

    Jeg har sendt en påminnelse til politidirektoratet, om at de ikke har svart på e-posten min, som jeg sendte for, det må vel være mer enn 3 uker siden.

    Men jeg har fortsatt ikke fått svar.

    Sånn som det virker for meg her, så følger ikke politiet og politikere (i justisdep og den nye fornyings og adm. dep. pluss da de dep. sine overordnede).

    De følger ikke lover og regler.

    Det virker som om dem prøver å finne opp kruttet på nytt eller noe.

    Men kruttet er jo allerede oppfunnet, ting angående lover og regler er tenkt gjennom tusenvis eller millionvis av ganger før, og det ligger inni lovene og reglene.

    Så hvis politi og politikere skal finne opp kruttet hver gang, så må det være noe galt.

    Og mens driver og skal finne opp kruttet, så kan ting gå alvorlig galt i mellomtiden.

    Politi og politikere skal følge lover og regler.

    Og hvis dem vil endre på lover og regler, så er det poltikere som skal endre på dette, på demokratisk måte.

    Dette står vel i grunnloven og menneskerettighetene og sånne steder.

    Når politi og politikere blåser i sånne ting, så er det noe som ikke stemmer.

    Da er dem korrupte, ettersom jeg kan skjønne.

    Så da er vel da man kan si, at man bør passe seg litt for politi og politikere.

    Jeg klarer ikke å finne noen annen måte å summere det på jeg.
    cons [2452] 16.09.07 18:23 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Da blir det vel mer revlusjon og anarki da, såvidt jeg kan forstå(?).

    Det er i hvertfall ikke demokrati.
    cons [2453] 16.09.07 18:25 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Så jeg tror jeg hadde passet meg litt for å stole for mye på de politikerne og de myndighetene vi har nå.

    Så hvis de plutselig finner på at de skal tråle seg gjennom vestlands-naturen (som er kanskje den fineste naturen i verden), med nye strøm-master, så tror jeg at jeg hadde vært litt bekymret angående om det kan være noen ‘ugler i mosen’ ute å går noen steder.
    cons [2454] 16.09.07 18:40 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Eller kommunisme og Marxisme kanskje?
    cons [2455] 16.09.07 18:47 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Lurer på om Orwell hadde rett jeg, med ‘Animal Farm’, men også med 1984, når det gjelder språket osv.

    Det er jo ganske tungvint å få godkjent nye ord i Norge.

    F.eks. andre språk som Engelsk, har mange flere ord, som gjør det lettere å kommunisere på en nøyaktig måte.

    Når ord må godkjennes av språkrådet eller hvem det er, og de også prøvde å lage samnorsk på 30-tallet eller når det var, så synes i hvertfall jeg det minner litt om ‘ny-tale’ (som i 1984, var det ikke?).

    Nynorsk er vel også et konstruert språk, som det er vanskelig å komunisere effektivt og nøyaktig på, er det ikke?

    Selv om det er fint å skrive dikt på som vi lærte på ungdomsskolen.
    cons [2456] 16.09.07 19:20 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Eller, jeg mener faren min pleide å kalle det ‘folke-skolen’.
    cons [2457] 16.09.07 19:38 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Det må ha vært noe politikk på skolen og ja, fordi når jeg gikk i 1. klasse og 2. klasse barneskolen, i Larvik, så satt vi en og en på pultene våre.

    Men når jeg flytta til Berger i Svelvik komune i 79, i 3. klasse barneskolen, da satt vi 2-4 i grupper, i klasse-rommet.

    Og jeg husker klasseforstandern vår i 4./5.- 6. klasse (Allum), han sa at jeg skulle ta ansvar for å lære han som satt ved siden av (Tom Ivar), pensumet da.

    Men jeg reagerte litt da, for jeg var vant med systemet i Larvik, med at vi satt pent ved vær vår pult i klasserommet.

    Vi hadde et fag som het penskriving eller noe sånt noe, og da var løkkene forskjellig i Larvik og Berger.

    I Larvik så hadde ‘m’-ene en bølge mer hvis jeg husker riktig (?).

    Og ‘l’-ene hadde løkke, men jeg husker ikke om dem hadde det på Berger.
    cons [2458] 16.09.07 20:02 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Og, jeg gikk på to forskjellige skoler i Larvik.

    Første klasse på Østre Halsen skole, og andre klasse på Torstrand skole.

    Og der var det likt med pultene og formskriften.

    Men svømminga var forskjellig alle tre stedene.

    På Østre Halsen, så starta vi med svømming i første klasse.

    På Torstrand, så starta vi med svømming i andre klasse.

    Og på Berger, så starta vi med svømming i tredje klasse.

    Jeg var litt treig med å lære å svømme, men når vi dro ut på stranda for å svømme i slutten av første klasse, da klarte jeg det.

    (Jeg vet ikke om dem hadde noe politikk med svømminga, derfor jeg tar det med.

    Men noe var i hvertfall politisk ukorrekt, for jeg husker etter svømminga i første klasse, må det vel ha vært, så var det svømmelærerinna, må det vel ha vært, og to andre damer, som sto og så over oss gutta mens vi dusja etter svømminga må det vel ha vært.

    Men dem sa at dem hadde sett nakne gutter eller manfolk før dem, så det var ikke noe vi behøvde å tenke på).
    cons [2459] 16.09.07 20:03 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Det kan ha i vært i andre klasse også det.

    Men det var i værtfall i Larvik.

    Bare tok det med fordi jeg huska det nå.
    cons [2460] 16.09.07 20:07 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Stesøstra mi sa forresten en gang, at en innen ‘higher management’ på barneskolen på Berger, hadde gjort det samme i jentegarderoben dems.
    looner [208] 16.09.07 20:25 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Oneway discussion.. Ring any bells??

    Er det EGENTLIG noe du lurer på i denne tråden, eller får du penger pr. antall postinger?
    cons [2461] 16.09.07 20:37 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Nei, det blir det samme som i den tråden som ble feilaktig slettet.

    (som det står om i VGD forumet)

    Altså, når man skriver etter hukommelsen, og det er en del år tilbake, så kommer man jo gjerne på en ting.

    Og så nøster det seg på, på en måte.

    Men hovedpoenget var det jeg skrev ovenfor om politkere og politi osv.

    Det med skjønnskriften og gruppene osv, kan vel som om at det var slags ‘kommunistisk’ skole-stil over skolen på Berger, og en ‘vestlig’ stil over skolen, når jeg gikk der i Larvik.

    De siste postene er på en måte en fortsettelse av resonementet, om at det virker som om det er politikk involvert i ting som språket og skole-systemet.

    Altså myndighetene da, at det er snakk om forskjellige ideologiske systemer i skolen, om du gikk på skole nord i Vestfold fylke (Berger), eller sør i fylke (Larvik).

    Og dette var snakk om samme skoleår, for jeg flyttet fra Larvik til Svelvik i september eller oktober var det vel.

    Så det kan virke som om det er en slags ideologisk forskjell mellom sentrum (Oslo), og distriktene kanskje da?

    Hvis du ser på dialekten på Berger, så er den mye nærmere Oslo-språk, enn f.eks. i Larvik, hvor dem prater mye breiere.

    Lurer på om dette kan ha noen betydning, jeg mener Oslo var styrt fra Danmark og Sverige, så jeg lurer på om dette kan ha noen sammenheng, iom. at dialektene rundt Oslo er vel mer likt svenskt (?), enn i distriktene (?), Uten at jeg er noen språk-ekspert.

    Untatt overklassen da, som vel snakker mer likt Dansk, ala Kåre Willoch osv. vel(?).

    Men hvis noen er språk-eksperter så skjønner de sikkert dette bedre enn meg.

    Men advarselen mot politikere og politi står fortsatt. De etterfølgende postene er på en måte ‘anekdoter’ om skole-systemet.

    Synes det passet bra å ta det her, siden jeg kom på det i forbindelse med den posten hvor det var om nynorsk og ungdomsskolen.
    cons [2462] 16.09.07 20:45 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Altså, når Oslo/Norge var styrt fra Sverige, så var det jo styrt fra Stockholm.

    Og Stockholm er ikke det samme som de grensetraktene i Sverige, som kanskje nordmenn kjenner best.

    Stockholm ligger helt øst i Sverige.

    Og kulturen forrandrer seg, og blir mer og mer ulik norsk kultur dess lenger øst man kommer i Sverige.

    Altså det må vel være, ideologisk sett, med gruppe-tanke (ala kumunisme) og indvidualisme (vestlig).

    I Sverige står jo gruppe-tanken sterkt, og det er vel det de mener som blir mer og mer dess lenger øst man kommer der. (altså mer og mer ala kommunisme).

    Det med at svensk kultur blir mer og mer ulik norsk dess lenger øst man kommer, det leste jeg om på Norge 100 år sidene her for noen dager siden.

    Jeg skal se om jeg finner linken.
    cons [2463] 16.09.07 20:49 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    http://www.hundrearsmarkeringen.no/5_5.html
    cons [2464] 16.09.07 20:53 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Ja, der står det i allefall at kulturgrensen ikke går langs den kulturelle grensen.

    Jeg bare skummet gjennom teksten nå.

    Det at norsk og svensk kultur blir mer forskjellig dess lenger øst man kommer i Sverige, det er mulig jeg har lest det et annet sted (også).

    Så jeg skal se om jeg finner mer om det senere.

    Men jeg mener denne linken også sier dette ganske sikkert, selv om jeg bare skummet gjennom teksten nå.
    cons [2465] 16.09.07 21:06 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Jeg har jo lest litt om de Skandinaviske språkene osv., fordi jeg pleide å jobbe på vegne av Microsoft, og svare på telefoner på norsk, svensk, dansk, engelsk og tom. finsk.

    Så i forbindelse med noen referater osv. jeg skrev i forbindelse, så har jeg lest litt på Wikipedia osv. ang. språkene.

    Og finnene kaller jo svenskene noe med ‘Russ’, og de sier jo at russland/russia er et svenskt ord?

    Svea-land, har jeg lest, lå jo helt øst i Sverige, og la tidlig under seg gøtene i øst, og også senere tok de skåne og småland i kamp med danskene.

    Men siden svea-land/sverige og russland, synes å være ganske knyttet sammen.

    (de svenske vikingene dro jo dit (Gardariket)).

    Og finnene blander jo helt, de kaller jo svenskene russere nesten.

    Og finnene har vel aldri hatt så mye til overs for verken russere eller svensker (i hvertfall ikke svensk).

    Men uansett, helt øst i Sverige der har de også et sted som begynner på Rus. ved bottenviken eller hva den heter.

    Jeg tror det var wikipedia, hvor det stod at dette kunne være grunnen til at finnene kalte sverige noe på rus.

    Men uansett, kan det være at Sveene er et slavisk folkeslag da? Siden gruppe-tanken står så høyt i kurs der (nesten som i russland).

    Og finnene er jo finsk-urgiske, så de er vel hverken østlige eller vestlige (?).

    Men kan det kanskje til og med ha vært sånn at russerne ble sure på vikingene og jagde dem tilbake og begynte å invadere litt selv øst i sverige da?

    Det blir mye på en gang nå, men sånn er det noen ganger.

    Dette er ikke noe jeg kan dokumentere alt om, men man kan lese om det meste av dette på wikipedia og andre steder.

    Untatt at Sveene er et slavisk/østlig folkeslag, det var bare noe jeg kom på nå når skriver rundt disse tingene nå, så det har jeg ikke lest noe dokumentasjon på.
    cons [2466] 16.09.07 21:18 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Forresten, når jeg jobba med å svare telefoner på vegne av Microsoft, da sa veldig mange dansker at dem ikke skjønte svensk.

    Eller de på Jylland sa det.

    De på Skjælland sa at de skjønte ‘svensk’ (oslo-dialekt).

    Mange av finnene bare la på når dem hørte ‘svensk’.

    Og svenskene som jobba der, fikk bare lov å ta norske og svenske samtaler.

    Untatt hvis dem var fra Skåne, da tok dem danske og svenske (det var bare en kar da, han var muligens brite).
    cons [2467] 16.09.07 21:29 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Tråden lever jo sitt eget liv, så jeg kan jo ta med dette og.

    Jeg har noen dokumenter fra når jeg jobbet for Arvato, på vegne av Microsoft.

    Men politiet driver å undersøker en klage-sak i forbindelse med dette.

    Men de bruker jo lang tid, og når det er dokumenter i forbindelse med jobb osv., så det burde det kanskje være lov å legge de ut på blogg f.eks.

    Så jeg lurer på om jeg skal gjøre det jeg, siden denne saken og de andre jeg har lagt ut på blogg fra før begynner å krysse hverandre.

    Så jeg skal se om jeg får gjort det innen alt for langt tid.

    Det er en god del dokumenter, og jeg er litt på etterskudd med jobben, men jeg skal prøve å gjøre det så fort som mulig.

    Må vel ta jobben først en uke eller to, så skal jeg prøve å få lagt ut alle de Arvato-dokumentene etterpå. (Siden det begynner å krysse ganske mye med andre tingene der nå, og siden politiet er trege med undersøkelsene sine).
    yttis2 [287] 16.09.07 22:04 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Ha ha ha ha

    Er det her du er nå?
    Denne blir nok snart flyttet til BS.

    “”””””””””””””””””””””””””
    “You`ll never walk alone”

    cons [2468] 16.09.07 22:05 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Tror det er en kamp eller hva man skal kalle det.

    Mellom folk som kaller homo sapiens for mennesker.

    Eller som kaller dem folk.

    (Jeg kaller dem vist folk sjæl).

    Men samme det.

    Altså, tror det går på om homo sapiens er folk.

    Så er dem litt som i ‘folk og fe’.

    Da er dem litt som fe, man kan bestemme over dem.

    Men hvis homo sapiens er mennesker, da bestemmer dem over seg selv.

    Så det virker litt som om det er en slags kamp her mellom de to ideologiene, og at fronten muligens går midt i Norge.

    Men men.

    Andre har sikkert noen meninger om dette, jeg skal se om jeg klarer å holde meg borte litt, og få gjort noe jobb.
    cons [2469] 16.09.07 22:20 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Og en ting til mens jeg har det i hodet.

    Kanskje slaviske folkeslag betyr folkeslag som har slaver?

    Uten at jeg er noen ekspert på ord, det var bare en tanke som slo meg.

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    cons [2468] 16.09.07 22:05 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Tror det er en kamp eller hva man skal kalle det.

    Mellom folk som kaller homo sapiens for mennesker.

    Eller som kaller dem folk.

    (Jeg kaller dem vist folk sjæl).

    Men samme det.

    Altså, tror det går på om homo sapiens er folk.

    Så er dem litt som i ‘folk og fe’.

    Da er dem litt som fe, man kan bestemme over dem.

    Men hvis homo sapiens er mennesker, da bestemmer dem over seg selv.

    Så det virker litt som om det er en slags kamp her mellom de to ideologiene, og at fronten muligens går midt i Norge.

    Men men.

    Andre har sikkert noen meninger om dette, jeg skal se om jeg klarer å holde meg borte litt, og få gjort noe jobb.

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    cons [2333] 05.09.07 09:37
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    (‘Ugler i mosen’ er egentlig et dansk utrykk som kommer fra ‘ulver i mosen’, (som betyr ulver
    i myra), men da den siste ulven ble skutt i Danmark i 1813, så skiftet de det til ‘ugler i
    mosen’ i stedet).

    http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugler_i_mosen

    (Jeg bruker en litt fleipete tone her, for at det ikke skal bli for alvorlig).

    Som jeg forklarte i dette inlegget:

    http://vg.transact.no/Item.asp?GroupID=132&Group=Politikk+%2D+Norsk&ThreadID=1270425&Thread=%27Ugler%20i%20mosen%27%20i%20Justisdepartementet%3F

    , så har det vært en del problemer med ‘ugler i mosen’ hos justisdepartementet.

    Men i forbindelse med korrespansen angående problemene med Kripos, så var jeg også i kontakt
    med Fornyings og administrasjonsdepartementet (gjennom Norge.no).

    Jeg blingsa litt, og trodde først det var _forsynings_ og adminstrasjonsdepartementet, at
    det var et nytt ‘tulle-departement’ som regjeringen hadde ‘oppfunnet’ (kanskje de trengte et
    nytt departement for å få nok departementer til hvert parti eller noe), siden jeg ikke hadde
    hørt noe om noe forsynings-departement før.

    Men jeg søkte litt på nettet, så viste det seg at dette departmentet ble opprettet i fjor, og
    de har ansvar for ‘organisering av staten’.

    http://www.regjeringen.no/nb/dep/fad/dep.html?id=344.

    Jeg er ikke helt sikker på om hvem som hadde ansvaret for organiseringen av staten tidligere,
    men det er en annen sak.

    Men det som er, er at hvis de har ansvaret for organiseringen av staten, så burde de vel også
    klare å organisere ferie-planene sine?

    I e-posten jeg fikk fra dem 16/8, (som svar på e-posten jeg sendte dem 22/7), så stårt det: ‘Vi
    beklager at du ikke har fått svar tidligere. Posten ble sendt direkte til meg, og jeg har hatt
    ferie siden 20. juli.’.

    (E-posten er en av de første i denne bloggen: [url]http://johncons.angelfire.com/blog/[/url]).

    Men personen skriver ikke navnet sitt.

    Så siden de bruker fire uker på å sende meg svar på det spørsmålet, og ikke oppgir navn, selv
    om de henviser til seg selv og sin ferie, så lurer jeg på om det kan være noe ‘muffens’ ute å
    går også i fornyelses og administrasjons-departementet.

    Så da tenker jeg, hvem er det som har interesse av å lage ‘ugler i mosen’ og ‘muffens’, ut av
    problemer med noen spørsmål ang. org. kriminalitet osv, som det er problemer med saksgangen
    for hos Kripos?

    Vel når det er snakk om to forskjellige departementer, så må jo deres overordnede være involvert,
    Dvs. SMK.

    Så er det radarparet Kolberg og ‘kamerat Stalkov’ (vits) som er ute og ‘uglemoser’?

    Det kan nesten virke sånn da for meg, siden det er to departementer pluss Kripos involvert i
    ‘uglemoseringen’.

    Jeg har hatt organisasjon som fag på høyskole osv, men jeg er ikke noe ekspert på det, så det
    hadde vært morsomt å høre hvordan tror andre tror dette kan være?

    Tilbakemeldinger mottas med takk.

    [Endret 05.09.07 09:37 av cons]
    [Endret 05.09.07 09:38 av cons]
    SMasterG [889] 05.09.07 09:43
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    Du kan starte med å få litt “orden” på innlegget ditt. 🙂

    Hva er det du egentlig vil frem til?
    cons [2334] 05.09.07 13:07
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    Ja vi får prøve en gang til, var vriene de hyperlenkene:

    (‘Ugler i mosen’ er egentlig et dansk utrykk som kommer fra ‘ulver i mosen’, (som betyr ulver
    i myra), men da den siste ulven ble skutt i Danmark i 1813, så skiftet de det til ‘ugler i
    mosen’ i stedet).

    http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugler_i_mosen

    (Jeg bruker en litt fleipete tone her, for at det ikke skal bli for alvorlig).

    Som jeg forklarte i dette inlegget:

    http://vg.transact.no/Item.asp?GroupID=132&Group=Politikk+%2D+Norsk&ThreadID=1270425&Thread=%27Ugler+i+mosen%27+i+Justisdepartementet%3F&Page=-1#19348843

    , så har det vært en del problemer med ‘ugler i mosen’ hos justisdepartementet.

    Men i forbindelse med korrespansen angående problemene med Kripos, så var jeg også i kontakt
    med Fornyings og administrasjonsdepartementet (gjennom Norge.no).

    Jeg blingsa litt, og trodde først det var _forsynings_ og adminstrasjonsdepartementet, at
    det var et nytt ‘tulle-departement’ som regjeringen hadde ‘oppfunnet’ (kanskje de trengte et
    nytt departement for å få nok departementer til hvert parti eller noe), siden jeg ikke hadde
    hørt noe om noe forsynings-departement før.

    Men jeg søkte litt på nettet, så viste det seg at dette departmentet ble opprettet i fjor, og
    de har ansvar for ‘organisering av staten’.

    http://www.regjeringen.no/nb/dep/fad/dep.html?id=344

    Jeg er ikke helt sikker på om hvem som hadde ansvaret for organiseringen av staten tidligere,
    men det er en annen sak.

    Men det som er, er at hvis de har ansvaret for organiseringen av staten, så burde de vel også
    klare å organisere ferie-planene sine?

    I e-posten jeg fikk fra dem 16/8, (som svar på e-posten jeg sendte dem 22/7), så stårt det: ‘Vi
    beklager at du ikke har fått svar tidligere. Posten ble sendt direkte til meg, og jeg har hatt
    ferie siden 20. juli.’.

    (E-posten er en av de første i denne bloggen:

    [url]http://johncons.angelfire.com/blog/[/url] ).

    Men personen skriver ikke navnet sitt.

    Så siden de bruker fire uker på å sende meg svar på det spørsmålet, og ikke oppgir navn, selv
    om de henviser til seg selv og sin ferie, så lurer jeg på om det kan være noe ‘muffens’ ute å
    går også i fornyelses og administrasjons-departementet.

    Så da tenker jeg, hvem er det som har interesse av å lage ‘ugler i mosen’ og ‘muffens’, ut av
    problemer med noen spørsmål ang. org. kriminalitet osv, som det er problemer med saksgangen
    for hos Kripos?

    Vel når det er snakk om to forskjellige departementer, så må jo deres overordnede være involvert,
    Dvs. SMK.

    Så er det radarparet Kolberg og ‘kamerat Stalkov’ (vits) som er ute og ‘uglemoser’?

    Det kan nesten virke sånn da for meg, siden det er to departementer pluss Kripos involvert i
    ‘uglemoseringen’.

    Jeg har hatt organisasjon som fag på høyskole osv, men jeg er ikke noe ekspert på det, så det
    hadde vært morsomt å høre hvordan tror andre tror dette kan være?

    Tilbakemeldinger mottas med takk.
    cons [2335] 05.09.07 13:10
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    Mulig det var en regel med tre hyperlenker i hver post, her er den siste lenken:

    http://johncons.angelfire.com/blog/

    Rainmaker [12919] 05.09.07 13:12
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    cons [2336] 05.09.07 13:25
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    Jeg er litt bekymret siden de departementene osv. lager så amatørmessige feil, så jeg lurte hva dette kan skyldes.

    For man skulle vel tro at departementer som er en del av mydighetene og regjeringen, skulle klare å kommunisere på en profesjonell måte.

    Så når de ikke klarer det, så lurer på hva dette skyldes.

    Og jeg synes temaene burde behandles på en profesjonell måte, og når jeg ikke klarer å se at de blir det, så lurer jeg på hva det kan skyldes.

    Derav utrykket ‘ugler i mosen’, det virker som om noe er ‘galt’ et eller annet sted, pga. de amatør-messige feilene.

    Det jeg prøver å få råd om, er om det er noen som skjønner hva hva problemene kan skyldes.
    Kverulant-1 [5646] 05.09.07 14:33
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    Konspirasjonsteoretikere har sjelden orden på noe som helst. Det de trenger er først og fremst et opphold på Gaustad eller Dikemark for å få orden på hodene sine.
    cons [2451] 16.09.07 18:00
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    Får prøve å ta en oppdatering på denne.

    Jeg har sendt en påminnelse til politidirektoratet, om at de ikke har svart på e-posten min, som jeg sendte for, det må vel være mer enn 3 uker siden.

    Men jeg har fortsatt ikke fått svar.

    Sånn som det virker for meg her, så følger ikke politiet og politikere (i justisdep og den nye fornyings og adm. dep. pluss da de dep. sine overordnede).

    De følger ikke lover og regler.

    Det virker som om dem prøver å finne opp kruttet på nytt eller noe.

    Men kruttet er jo allerede oppfunnet, ting angående lover og regler er tenkt gjennom tusenvis eller millionvis av ganger før, og det ligger inni lovene og reglene.

    Så hvis politi og politikere skal finne opp kruttet hver gang, så må det være noe galt.

    Og mens driver og skal finne opp kruttet, så kan ting gå alvorlig galt i mellomtiden.

    Politi og politikere skal følge lover og regler.

    Og hvis dem vil endre på lover og regler, så er det poltikere som skal endre på dette, på demokratisk måte.

    Dette står vel i grunnloven og menneskerettighetene og sånne steder.

    Når politi og politikere blåser i sånne ting, så er det noe som ikke stemmer.

    Da er dem korrupte, ettersom jeg kan skjønne.

    Så da er vel da man kan si, at man bør passe seg litt for politi og politikere.

    Jeg klarer ikke å finne noen annen måte å summere det på jeg.
    cons [2452] 16.09.07 18:23
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    Da blir det vel mer revlusjon og anarki da, såvidt jeg kan forstå(?).

    Det er i hvertfall ikke demokrati.
    cons [2453] 16.09.07 18:25
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    Så jeg tror jeg hadde passet meg litt for å stole for mye på de politikerne og de myndighetene vi har nå.

    Så hvis de plutselig finner på at de skal tråle seg gjennom vestlands-naturen (som er kanskje den fineste naturen i verden), med nye strøm-master, så tror jeg at jeg hadde vært litt bekymret angående om det kan være noen ‘ugler i mosen’ ute å går noen steder.
    cons [2454] 16.09.07 18:40
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    Eller kommunisme og Marxisme kanskje?
    cons [2455] 16.09.07 18:47
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    Lurer på om Orwell hadde rett jeg, med ‘Animal Farm’, men også med 1984, når det gjelder språket osv.

    Det er jo ganske tungvint å få godkjent nye ord i Norge.

    F.eks. andre språk som Engelsk, har mange flere ord, som gjør det lettere å kommunisere på en nøyaktig måte.

    Når ord må godkjennes av språkrådet eller hvem det er, og de også prøvde å lage samnorsk på 30-tallet eller når det var, så synes i hvertfall jeg det minner litt om ‘ny-tale’ (som i 1984, var det ikke?).

    Nynorsk er vel også et konstruert språk, som det er vanskelig å komunisere effektivt og nøyaktig på, er det ikke?

    Selv om det er fint å skrive dikt på som vi lærte på ungdomsskolen.
    cons [2456] 16.09.07 19:20
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    Eller, jeg mener faren min pleide å kalle det ‘folke-skolen’.
    cons [2457] 16.09.07 19:38
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    Det må ha vært noe politikk på skolen og ja, fordi når jeg gikk i 1. klasse og 2. klasse barneskolen, i Larvik, så satt vi en og en på pultene våre.

    Men når jeg flytta til Berger i Svelvik komune i 79, i 3. klasse barneskolen, da satt vi 2-4 i grupper, i klasse-rommet.

    Og jeg husker klasseforstandern vår i 4./5.- 6. klasse (Allum), han sa at jeg skulle ta ansvar for å lære han som satt ved siden av (Tom Ivar), pensumet da.

    Men jeg reagerte litt da, for jeg var vant med systemet i Larvik, med at vi satt pent ved vær vår pult i klasserommet.

    Vi hadde et fag som het penskriving eller noe sånt noe, og da var løkkene forskjellig i Larvik og Berger.

    I Larvik så hadde ‘m’-ene en bølge mer hvis jeg husker riktig (?).

    Og ‘l’-ene hadde løkke, men jeg husker ikke om dem hadde det på Berger.
    cons [2458] 16.09.07 20:02
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    Og, jeg gikk på to forskjellige skoler i Larvik.

    Første klasse på Østre Halsen skole, og andre klasse på Torstrand skole.

    Og der var det likt med pultene og formskriften.

    Men svømminga var forskjellig alle tre stedene.

    På Østre Halsen, så starta vi med svømming i første klasse.

    På Torstrand, så starta vi med svømming i andre klasse.

    Og på Berger, så starta vi med svømming i tredje klasse.

    Jeg var litt treig med å lære å svømme, men når vi dro ut på stranda for å svømme i slutten av første klasse, da klarte jeg det.

    (Jeg vet ikke om dem hadde noe politikk med svømminga, derfor jeg tar det med.

    Men noe var i hvertfall politisk ukorrekt, for jeg husker etter svømminga i første klasse, må det vel ha vært, så var det svømmelærerinna, må det vel ha vært, og to andre damer, som sto og så over oss gutta mens vi dusja etter svømminga må det vel ha vært.

    Men dem sa at dem hadde sett nakne gutter eller manfolk før dem, så det var ikke noe vi behøvde å tenke på).
    cons [2459] 16.09.07 20:03
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    Det kan ha i vært i andre klasse også det.

    Men det var i værtfall i Larvik.

    Bare tok det med fordi jeg huska det nå.
    cons [2460] 16.09.07 20:07
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    Stesøstra mi sa forresten en gang, at en innen ‘higher management’ på barneskolen på Berger, hadde gjort det samme i jentegarderoben dems.
    looner [208] 16.09.07 20:25
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    Oneway discussion.. Ring any bells??

    Er det EGENTLIG noe du lurer på i denne tråden, eller får du penger pr. antall postinger?
    cons [2461] 16.09.07 20:37
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    Nei, det blir det samme som i den tråden som ble feilaktig slettet.

    (som det står om i VGD forumet)

    Altså, når man skriver etter hukommelsen, og det er en del år tilbake, så kommer man jo gjerne på en ting.

    Og så nøster det seg på, på en måte.

    Men hovedpoenget var det jeg skrev ovenfor om politkere og politi osv.

    Det med skjønnskriften og gruppene osv, kan vel som om at det var slags ‘kommunistisk’ skole-stil over skolen på Berger, og en ‘vestlig’ stil over skolen, når jeg gikk der i Larvik.

    De siste postene er på en måte en fortsettelse av resonementet, om at det virker som om det er politikk involvert i ting som språket og skole-systemet.

    Altså myndighetene da, at det er snakk om forskjellige ideologiske systemer i skolen, om du gikk på skole nord i Vestfold fylke (Berger), eller sør i fylke (Larvik).

    Og dette var snakk om samme skoleår, for jeg flyttet fra Larvik til Svelvik i september eller oktober var det vel.

    Så det kan virke som om det er en slags ideologisk forskjell mellom sentrum (Oslo), og distriktene kanskje da?

    Hvis du ser på dialekten på Berger, så er den mye nærmere Oslo-språk, enn f.eks. i Larvik, hvor dem prater mye breiere.

    Lurer på om dette kan ha noen betydning, jeg mener Oslo var styrt fra Danmark og Sverige, så jeg lurer på om dette kan ha noen sammenheng, iom. at dialektene rundt Oslo er vel mer likt svenskt (?), enn i distriktene (?), Uten at jeg er noen språk-ekspert.

    Untatt overklassen da, som vel snakker mer likt Dansk, ala Kåre Willoch osv. vel(?).

    Men hvis noen er språk-eksperter så skjønner de sikkert dette bedre enn meg.

    Men advarselen mot politikere og politi står fortsatt. De etterfølgende postene er på en måte ‘anekdoter’ om skole-systemet.

    Synes det passet bra å ta det her, siden jeg kom på det i forbindelse med den posten hvor det var om nynorsk og ungdomsskolen.
    cons [2462] 16.09.07 20:45
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    Altså, når Oslo/Norge var styrt fra Sverige, så var det jo styrt fra Stockholm.

    Og Stockholm er ikke det samme som de grensetraktene i Sverige, som kanskje nordmenn kjenner best.

    Stockholm ligger helt øst i Sverige.

    Og kulturen forrandrer seg, og blir mer og mer ulik norsk kultur dess lenger øst man kommer i Sverige.

    Altså det må vel være, ideologisk sett, med gruppe-tanke (ala kumunisme) og indvidualisme (vestlig).

    I Sverige står jo gruppe-tanken sterkt, og det er vel det de mener som blir mer og mer dess lenger øst man kommer der. (altså mer og mer ala kommunisme).

    Det med at svensk kultur blir mer og mer ulik norsk dess lenger øst man kommer, det leste jeg om på Norge 100 år sidene her for noen dager siden.

    Jeg skal se om jeg finner linken.
    cons [2463] 16.09.07 20:49
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    http://www.hundrearsmarkeringen.no/5_5.html

    cons [2464] 16.09.07 20:53
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    Ja, der står det i allefall at kulturgrensen ikke går langs den kulturelle grensen.

    Jeg bare skummet gjennom teksten nå.

    Det at norsk og svensk kultur blir mer forskjellig dess lenger øst man kommer i Sverige, det er mulig jeg har lest det et annet sted (også).

    Så jeg skal se om jeg finner mer om det senere.

    Men jeg mener denne linken også sier dette ganske sikkert, selv om jeg bare skummet gjennom teksten nå.
    cons [2465] 16.09.07 21:06
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    Jeg har jo lest litt om de Skandinaviske språkene osv., fordi jeg pleide å jobbe på vegne av Microsoft, og svare på telefoner på norsk, svensk, dansk, engelsk og tom. finsk.

    Så i forbindelse med noen referater osv. jeg skrev i forbindelse, så har jeg lest litt på Wikipedia osv. ang. språkene.

    Og finnene kaller jo svenskene noe med ‘Russ’, og de sier jo at russland/russia er et svenskt ord?

    Svea-land, har jeg lest, lå jo helt øst i Sverige, og la tidlig under seg gøtene i øst, og også senere tok de skåne og småland i kamp med danskene.

    Men siden svea-land/sverige og russland, synes å være ganske knyttet sammen.

    (de svenske vikingene dro jo dit (Gardariket)).

    Og finnene blander jo helt, de kaller jo svenskene russere nesten.

    Og finnene har vel aldri hatt så mye til overs for verken russere eller svensker (i hvertfall ikke svensk).

    Men uansett, helt øst i Sverige der har de også et sted som begynner på Rus. ved bottenviken eller hva den heter.

    Jeg tror det var wikipedia, hvor det stod at dette kunne være grunnen til at finnene kalte sverige noe på rus.

    Men uansett, kan det være at Sveene er et slavisk folkeslag da? Siden gruppe-tanken står så høyt i kurs der (nesten som i russland).

    Og finnene er jo finsk-urgiske, så de er vel hverken østlige eller vestlige (?).

    Men kan det kanskje til og med ha vært sånn at russerne ble sure på vikingene og jagde dem tilbake og begynte å invadere litt selv øst i sverige da?

    Det blir mye på en gang nå, men sånn er det noen ganger.

    Dette er ikke noe jeg kan dokumentere alt om, men man kan lese om det meste av dette på wikipedia og andre steder.

    Untatt at Sveene er et slavisk/østlig folkeslag, det var bare noe jeg kom på nå når skriver rundt disse tingene nå, så det har jeg ikke lest noe dokumentasjon på.
    cons [2466] 16.09.07 21:18
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    Forresten, når jeg jobba med å svare telefoner på vegne av Microsoft, da sa veldig mange dansker at dem ikke skjønte svensk.

    Eller de på Jylland sa det.

    De på Skjælland sa at de skjønte ‘svensk’ (oslo-dialekt).

    Mange av finnene bare la på når dem hørte ‘svensk’.

    Og svenskene som jobba der, fikk bare lov å ta norske og svenske samtaler.

    Untatt hvis dem var fra Skåne, da tok dem danske og svenske (det var bare en kar da, han var muligens brite).
    cons [2467] 16.09.07 21:29
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    Tråden lever jo sitt eget liv, så jeg kan jo ta med dette og.

    Jeg har noen dokumenter fra når jeg jobbet for Arvato, på vegne av Microsoft.

    Men politiet driver å undersøker en klage-sak i forbindelse med dette.

    Men de bruker jo lang tid, og når det er dokumenter i forbindelse med jobb osv., så det burde det kanskje være lov å legge de ut på blogg f.eks.

    Så jeg lurer på om jeg skal gjøre det jeg, siden denne saken og de andre jeg har lagt ut på blogg fra før begynner å krysse hverandre.

    Så jeg skal se om jeg får gjort det innen alt for langt tid.

    Det er en god del dokumenter, og jeg er litt på etterskudd med jobben, men jeg skal prøve å gjøre det så fort som mulig.

    Må vel ta jobben først en uke eller to, så skal jeg prøve å få lagt ut alle de Arvato-dokumentene etterpå. (Siden det begynner å krysse ganske mye med andre tingene der nå, og siden politiet er trege med undersøkelsene sine).

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    Warning Message from VGD for the post in the thread in the last entry.
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    Er det vanlig å bygge første-etagen i et hus opp fra bakken, med betong-trapp
    osv., også ha en kjeller med takhøyde like høy som i en vanlig etage.

    Også bare bruke kjellern til lager, altså som en bod?

    Og ikke lage en ordentlig trapp, men en som er veldig bratt og lang.

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    cons [2364] 13.09.07 07:10 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Er det vanlig å bygge første-etagen i et hus opp fra bakken, med betong-trapp
    osv., også ha en kjeller med takhøyde like høy som i en vanlig etage.

    Også bare bruke kjellern til lager, altså som en bod?

    Og ikke lage en ordentlig trapp, men en som er veldig bratt og lang.
    Bessen [1241] 13.09.07 10:39 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Skal du først ha kjeller på huset, så anbefaler jeg å bygge den i full høyde på netto 240 cm og la topp grunnmur ligge ca. 50 cm over ferdig planert terreng.
    Ekstrautgiftene til dette blir minimale i forhold til de totale byggekostnadene.
    cons [2365] 13.09.07 12:02 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Hvis du skal ha terrasse da, ville du bygd den som en helstøpt betongkloss langs ene kortveggen?

    Og den ble ikke så ofte brukt, såvidt jeg husker bare en gang når jeg bodde et stykke unna og tok bussen, jeg tror de hadde lagd bakt potet.
    cons [2366] 13.09.07 21:32 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Loftet ble også brukt som bod.

    Men takplatene var vist ikke så veldig solide.

    Loftet på bygningen ved siden av systua ble også brukt som bod.
    cons [2367] 13.09.07 21:51 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Det lå noen donald-blader fra første halvdel av 60-tallet der var det vel.

    Kusina mi fikk halvparten, og jeg fikk halvparten.

    To blader var like, da fikk kusina mi det fineste bladet.
    gammel_mann [177] 13.09.07 22:14 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Jeg fant masse rart når jeg begynte å rote i gamle stubbloft oppe i andre etasje.
    Mange rare verktøy og snåle bruksgjenstander, og minst fjorten tomme flasker 60% brennevin var stukket inn i vegger og tak her og der. Det var nok et snasent lag som bygde her en gang i forrige århundre! LOL!!
    yttis2 [264] 13.09.07 22:32 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Ja,det er ofte,men ikke bestandig.
    Selv om det fra tid til annen med.
    Men om ikke annet.
    Men jo så klart,det er helt opplagt at bessen og GM har gått fem på.

    “”””””””””””””””””””””””””
    “You`ll never walk alone”
    cons [2368] 13.09.07 22:58 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Bestefaren min pleide å drikke 60% han og, potetsprit.
    yttis2 [267] 13.09.07 23:04 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Ja,han gjorde det.
    Men nå må du gå så du rekker bussen

    “”””””””””””””””””””””””””
    “You`ll never walk alone”
    cons [2369] 13.09.07 23:42 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Han sagde seg i fingra et par ganger da, på verkstedet.

    Han var ikke så mye nede i kjellern, han satt for det meste i godstolen.

    En gang gikk han bort på jordet til Lersbryggen, og da lurte fattern og bestemuttern fært på hva han dreiv med der borte.
    Bessen [1244] 13.09.07 23:46 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    yttis2 skrev:
    ……det er helt opplagt at bessen og GM har gått fem på.
    ———————————-
    Har ikke gått fem på, da jeg svarte som første mann.
    Har opplevd svært mange ganger at debattanter har store vansker med å ordlegge seg. Jeg reagerte noe på lang og bratt trapp, men prøvde likevel å gi råd.
    Etter at jeg så at dette var håpløst, skrev jeg ikke flere innlegg.

    Jeg tåler godt en spøk og liker å muntre opp litt selv, men forøvrig liker jeg best diskusjoner om sykkelventilers innvirkning på medmennesklige forhold og Irak-krigen.
    Og sylteflesk.

    yttis2 [270] 13.09.07 23:54 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Det vert sagt at han mens han satt i godstolen sin og hørte på radio fikk med seg at hai finne suppe,så han ville ut og finne det han med.
    Det byrja og blåse mens han var der ute så han ville prøva finne sopp-ikke hai finne sopp for det er det ikkje noko som heiter.
    cons [2370] 13.09.07 23:56 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Eneste gangen jeg kan huske faktisk, som bestefattern ikke var enten på verkstedet eller i huset.

    Det var når fatter, bestefattern og jeg skulle sageri for å se over plank til snekkerverkste.

    Han ville ikke ha noe goderi som jeg kjøpte i en butikk på veien.
    Bessen [1245] 14.09.07 00:01 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Hundepark med sykkelventiler og sylteflesk er det beste jeg vet.
    Bessen [1246] 14.09.07 00:21 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Bessen skrev:
    Hundepark med sykkelventiler og sylteflesk er det beste jeg vet.
    ————————————–
    Dummere enn toget som ikke gikk for at det ikke er kommet og bestefar var smed så han fikk billetten og snus, men han var metodist.
    cons [2371] 14.09.07 19:40 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Kanskje han ikke likte ‘Rex’ karameller.

    Jeg synes det var litt rar butikk.

    Dem hadde for eksempel ikke ‘Fox’ eller ‘Nox’.
    cons [2372] 14.09.07 19:58 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Det var sørover på E18.

    Jeg mener vi tok av til høyre og kjørte innover en halvtimes tid kanskje.

    Tror det var like etter en bensinstasjon rundt/før Tønsberg.
    cons [2373] 14.09.07 20:11 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Bestefattern sa en annen gang, at noen hadde spurt’n om han ville være med gutta på skauen.

    Men bestefattern sa at han svarte at han hadde kone og barn, så han hadde ikke lyst til å være med.

    Da virka det som om bestemuttern og de andre ble litt sinna pån.
    cons [2374] 14.09.07 20:28 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Godstolen hans var rett over der onkelen min sa at dem pleide å ha potetbinge før.
    cons [2375] 14.09.07 20:42 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    En gang så fikk stesøstra og søstra mi meg med på Fremad, eller hva det lokalet heter i Selvik.

    Dem hadde tatt med kusina mi også.

    Men dem sa at jeg måtte ta hu med hjem med siste bussen.

    Men den rakk vi ikke selvsagt.

    Så vi måtte ta taxi.

    Men jeg hadde ikke penger, så når vi kom fram så stakk jeg ned til huset til onkelen min for å få noen penger til taxin, og da satt faren min og en annen kar der også.

    Enda faren min pleide nesten aldri å være der.

    Det var litt innestengt der også syns jeg, det virka ikke som om det var noe lystig lag der.
    cons [2376] 14.09.07 21:12 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Søstra mi sa for ikke så mange år siden noe om at onkelen min hadde spilt så høy musikk når kusina mi var liten, og at det var muligens derfor hu blei døv.

    Tror søstra mi sa at det var muttern som hadde sagt det, men jeg tar forbehold om at jeg husker riktig om det her.
    cons [2377] 14.09.07 21:15 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Jeg husker bestefaren min sa at han pleide å stemme arbeiderpartiet.
    cons [2378] 14.09.07 21:22 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Bestefaren min prata en gang om han andre bestefaren min som var rådmann.

    Han sa at en gang, så hadde han foreslått et forslag, men så hadde han stemt for et annet forslag.
    cons [2379] 14.09.07 21:39 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Bestefaren min sa en gang at en gang han andre bestefaren min som var rådmann.

    En gang når han gikk rundt i Oslo og leita etter dattra si, så hadde han møtt en annen mann.

    Jeg leiter etter to hadde han andre mannen sagt.
    cons [2380] 14.09.07 22:10 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Husker forresten vi hadde skolevalg når jeg gikk i 5. klasse tror jeg det må ha vært, i 81 antagelig.

    Så skulle jeg stemme fremskrittspartiet, fordi det gjorde fattern.

    Så måtte dem gå å leite etter stemmesedlene.

    Mener forresten fattern sa at han satt ved siden av Carl I. Hagen på flyet til vestlandet en gang, eller at han så’n på flyet kanskje. En av de.
    cons [2381] 14.09.07 22:15 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Husker forresten når fattern, stemuttern og jeg skulle kjøre hjem fra vannseng-butikken i Drammen.

    Så kom en gammel skolekompis, tror jeg det var, av fattern forbi.

    Han sa at fattern alltid hadde vært flink til å sjekke damer.

    Han hørtes litt sørgelig ut.
    cons [2382] 14.09.07 22:25 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    En annen gang satt han ved siden av en kar i unitor på flyet.
    cons [2383] 14.09.07 22:31 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Jeg fikk lighter og kulepenn sett i julegave 03, men jeg synes det var litt rart siden jeg hadde slutta å røyke.
    Bessen [1249] 14.09.07 22:32 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Moderator er varslet, men det betyr vel ingenting for dere.
    cons [2384] 14.09.07 23:01 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Dette er jo om folk som har bodd i huset som kjellern hører til.

    Må vel være i orden da.

    Jeg fikk forresten ikke lov å hete Mogan Olsen, jeg måtte hete Olsen, fordi Mogan var det vi som het, sa onkelen min.
    cons [2385] 14.09.07 23:10 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Det står forresten på gule sider, at kusina mi heter Lene Merethe Olsen og at fettern min heter Tommy Andre Løff Olsen.

    Mora mi sa alltid det, at Tone var litt ung til å være mora til Lene.

    Værtfall sa a det et par ganger.
    cons [2386] 15.09.07 00:10 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Hu danske bestemora mi, sa at onkelen min lærte meg å gå ved å binde et skjerf rundt meg.

    For et par tre år sida, var det vel, så sa a, at når jeg lærte å krabbe, så var det med magan opp.
    cons [2387] 15.09.07 00:12 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Faren min sa en gang når vi kjørte på Svelvikveien, at den første tida bodde han og muttern og jeg over en pub med musikk og bråk utover mot Tangen der.
    cons [2388] 15.09.07 00:13 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Onkelen min pleide å si at jeg var tjukk når jeg var liten.

    Så jeg måtte passe meg når jeg vokste opp, for jeg kom nok til å legge fort på meg da.

    For sånn var det med folk som var tjukke når dem var små.
    cons [2389] 15.09.07 00:16 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Bestefaren min sa et par ganger at han kunne huske fra han lå i vogga.

    Men jeg klarte ikke å huske noe før vi bodde på Toppen der.
    cons [2390] 15.09.07 00:21 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Mora mi sa at det var farmora mi som fikk a til å drikke kaffe.

    Onkelen min sa at han hadde bodd der og jobba der også, i huset og verkstedet da.

    Han sa at jordbær-nesquicken i det øverste skapet var hans.

    Jeg fant den når jeg flytta dit.

    Bestemora mi sa at den var gammel, og kasta den.

    Jeg klarte ikke å finne jordbær-nesquick i butikken, når jeg og fattern handla.

    Men jeg sa bestemor hadde kasta den som stod i skapet.

    Det virka som han reagerte litt da.
    cons [2391] 15.09.07 00:26 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Fattern ga meg ikke så mye jobb på verkstedet, uten å sortere skruer til køyesengene.

    Men det var jobben min å kjøre ved fra verkstedet opp med trillebåra, og kaste ned gjennom kjellervindu.
    cons [2392] 15.09.07 00:30 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Da vi hadde vært i Jugoslavia sommern 80, så før det så hadde jeg bestilt sånn quartz-klokke på postordre.

    Som jeg hadde venta på i flere måneder virka det som.

    Så når vi kom hjem, så dro jeg bort dit å da var bestemora mi nede på hytta vel.

    Så jeg åpna kjellervindu og gikk opp trappa.

    Husker ikke helt om jeg hadde med åtter-nøkkel, eller om det var åpent.

    Jeg fant klokka værtfall.

    Men vinduene var litt vriene.

    Trokke jeg klarte å lokke dem fra innsida, men jeg husker ikke dette helt klart.

    Men jeg mener å huske at det var noe sånt.

    Jeg tror kanskje jeg kan ha gått ned på hytta etterhver å lånte nøkkelen til huset muligens, for å låse.

    Er i hvertfall sånn jeg mener å huske det.
    cons [2393] 15.09.07 00:31 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Jeg husker i hvertfall jeg fikk sommer-ol t-skjorte før vi dro ned dit.
    cons [2394] 15.09.07 00:31 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Istra halvøya var det vel.
    Bessen [1252] 15.09.07 00:32 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    cons:
    FORSVINN FRA DETTE FORUMET ØYEBLIKKELIG !
    cons [2395] 15.09.07 00:36 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Når vi var på båttur der, fra den største byen der, hvor de har romerske ruiner osv., hvor man ikke bør gå hvis man har høydeskrekk.

    Jeg fikk kjøre båttur to ganger.

    Andre gangen med han ene onkelen min og familien hans, og den siste gangen fikk jeg også brus av båt-medarbeiderne.
    cons [2396] 15.09.07 00:37 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Er det ikke et fritt land da.
    Bessen [1253] 15.09.07 00:42 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    cons skrev:
    Er det ikke et fritt land da.
    ——————————
    Jo da. Men ikke på VGD. Der har du forpliktet deg til å følge visse regler da du registrerte deg som debattant.
    cons [2397] 15.09.07 00:53 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Ok, jeg tror du har glemt å forklare hvilken funksjon har du i forhold til VGD.
    cons [2398] 15.09.07 01:03 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Vi bodde i leilighet, onkla mine dem som bodde i Leirfaret før meg, dem bodde på camping-plassen.

    På vei ned dit, så besøkte vi dama som hadde klatra opp i treet og satt der lenge for hu var så forelska i onkelen min.

    Det var vel i København.
    cons [2399] 15.09.07 01:06 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Det var i en drabantby der.

    Jeg husker jeg gikk i butikken og kjøpte is-lage sett og vannpistol.

    Og sikkert Donald også.
    yttis2 [284] 15.09.07 01:10 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Bessen skrev:
    cons:
    FORSVINN FRA DETTE FORUMET ØYEBLIKKELIG !

    ——————————–

    Det var da voldsomt,Bessen (bestefar?)

    Hvem er du som tror du kan legge premisser for hva som skrives i en tråd,spesielt kanskje siden du selv ikke er spesielt tilbakeholden med å gjøre akkurat det samme som du ber andre la være å gjøre?

    Dette kalles dobbeltmoral og er en uting VGD og dets brukere bør spares for.

    “”””””””””””””””””””””””””
    “You`ll never walk alone”
    cons [2400] 15.09.07 01:11 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Stesøstra mi ble skikkelig sjuk der.

    Ei kone la kålhue-blader på hue hennes.

    Så vi kjøpte konfekt til kona.
    cons [2401] 15.09.07 01:25 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    På fergelejet fra Danmark til Tyskland, så kom det kar med brannskade på armen bort til meg og sa ‘wazer, wazer’.
    cons [2402] 15.09.07 01:51 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Og bestefaren min sa en gang at jeg og søstra mi måtte være forsiktig med trappa, fordi en gang var det noen barn som hadde detti ned der.
    Bessen [1255] 15.09.07 01:51 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    cons skrev:
    Ok, jeg tror du har glemt å forklare hvilken funksjon har du i forhold til VGD.
    ——————————–
    Jeg har den funksjon i forhold til VGD at jeg kan forlange at debattantene i dette forumet holder seg emnet. Jeg har også rett til å varsle moderator.
    cons [2403] 15.09.07 02:01 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Og daua.
    cons [2404] 15.09.07 02:03 Er innlegget upassende? Tips oss Svar På Endre
    Jeg vet ikke om du kan forlange noe som helst av debatantene egentlig.

    Har du noe dokumentasjon på det eller?

    (De to siste postene mangler, jeg glemte å ta back-up, før tråden ble slettet.
    I den siste posten, så var det jeg (cons), som spurte en annen debattant, om det var riktig at han hadde lov å forlange av debattantene (Eksempel: å komme seg vekk fra forumet, som han hadde skrevet ovenfor.)

    Eller om det var til Mod han hadde rett til å forlange/klage.

    Men så ble tråden slettet like etterpå).

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    Wednesday, 12 September 2007
    ‘Graveson Injury Shock’, the Liverpool Echo paperstand-poster from today, about Thomas Gravesen’s injury.

    Posted by johncons at 7:19 PM BST
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    Tuesday, 11 September 2007
    Enclosures belonging to the last entry.

    Posted by johncons at 12:44 AM BST
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    Monday, 10 September 2007
    E-mail to the Financial Ombudsman on 30/7.
    from Erik Ribsskog hide details Jul 30
    to complaint.info@financial-ombudsman.org.uk
    date Jul 30, 2007 1:24 PM
    subject Advice
    mailed-by gmail.com
    Hi,

    I’ve been in contact with RBS regarding a complaint about several different issues.

    When I wrote, it got quite late, so I didn’t summarise the complaint, I instead asked
    them in which way they wanted me to summarise the complaint.

    Then I just recieved a letter in which the complaint was summarised the way they
    saw it.

    When I look at their summary, I see that some of the points that I mentioned in my
    explenation aren’t included in the summary they have written.

    So, I called Lorelei Welsh (who had written the summary) on 23/7, and explained to her
    that I wasn’t sure on how to go forward with the complaint (formally) due to this, and
    I pointed to her letter, where it said that it was possible for me to contact you for
    advice.

    So thats why I contact you now, to get advice on how to go forward with my complaint
    from how the situation is now.

    In the phone-call with Lorelei Welsh on 23/7, Welsh said that she would send me a
    booklet in which it explains more about the Financial Ombudsman Service).

    (It says in her letter that she had already sent me a booklet with a another letter, prior
    to her letter of 6/7. But this isn’t actually right, since the letter I got from her on 23/7,
    was the first letter I recieved from her.

    I also asked her about this on 23/7, and then she confirmed that there wasn’t any such
    letter, that is a letter from her to me from before 6/7.)

    So after recieving the booklet about The Financial Ombudsman Service last week, I read
    in the booklet, but I couldn’t find anything in particular about how one should ask about
    advice about issues like the one I agreed with Welsh about on 23/7, that I should contact
    you about.

    So, I’m not sure if I need to send a formal complaint to get advice from you, but I send this
    enquiery anyway, since this is what I agreed with Welsh on, on 23/7.

    I also enclose a copy of the letter from RBS from 23/7, and I’m also going to forward you
    the e-mail containing my complaint, and also another e-mail that was forwarded with it.

    Hope that this is alright, and please contact me if I have done any errors in this process,
    or if there’s anything else I should have remembered.

    Yours sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog

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    date Jul 30, 2007 1:25 PM
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    From: Erik Ribsskog
    Date: Jul 3, 2007 12:53 AM
    Subject: Re:
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    To: “Williams, Yvonne (CRU)”

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    Hi,

    I’m refering to your e-mail, and to the phone-call last week, where we agreed that I would
    send you an e-mail about the problems I had mentioned in my initial e-mail.

    I started writing down the dates for the phone-calls etc, after my first calls to the bank
    remained unreturned.

    So I’ll try to explain about this chronologicaly:

    First I saw your ad on the internet where it said that if one switched to RBS, one would
    get a £100 switch-bonus.

    I had been thinking about changing bank earlier, and since RBS is just around the block
    from where I live, I thought it might be a good idea to switch.

    So I went to the bank, and got an apointment for a meeting with Michelle Rigby on 19/3.

    19/3:

    On the meeting Rigby said that I would recieve a card and some documents about the
    new account in the mail in a few days.

    28/3:

    Then more than a week went by, and I didn’t recieve anything from the bank, so on
    28/3, I called the bank, and they said that Rigby would call me back, but she didnt.

    3/4:

    Then I went to the bank and contacted the reception. They told me that there was
    something wrong with my details, and that they needed to see more utility-bills.
    (Even if I had brought quite a few utility-bills with me to the meeting on 19/3).

    Since I live not far from there, I just went home and found, I think it was my council-
    tax bill or water-bill.

    Then I was told that Rigby would call me back on 4/4, but she didnt call.

    4/4:

    I called the bank again, they said Rigby would call me back.

    I asked if I had got an account-number there for the new account yet, but
    they said that I hadnt got an account-numer there yet.

    12/4:

    I went to the bank in Dale St.

    I spoke with the blond girl with the long hair in the reception. (Just to describe better who
    it is, it’s the one that usually has got big dark circles under her eyes).

    The girl said that the account was off to be opened early next week.

    But I didnt hear anything from the bank this time eighter.

    19/4:

    I went to the bank again, and this time I spoke with the other blond girl in the reception. The one
    that has a bit shorter hair. (But she has her hair plain, straight down, and dont ‘arrange’ it, like
    the other blond girl does).

    I explained to her that I was there a month earlier about the account, but that I hadnt heard anything.

    She said that she would go and ask the Manager about this.

    When she came back from speaking with the Manager, she said that I would be called from the
    bank about this the same day (19/4) or the next day (20/4).

    20/4:

    But noone called from the bank.

    So at closing-time on 20/4, I went to the bank again, and spoke with the girl with the longer blond hair,
    (The one with the rings under the eyes, and who I think usually sits in the place in the reception thats to
    the right for the customer, the place closest to Dale St.).

    The girl told me that the papers where at the service-center.

    The bank was closing, I wanted to complain about that noone had called me from the bank on 19/4, or 20/4,
    like the blond girl with the short/plain hair had said that the Manager said on 19/4.

    But the bank was closing, so I agreed with the person in the reception, that I would go back to the bank again
    on 23/4, and ask to speak with the Manager.

    23/4:

    I didnt get to speak with the Manager, but I got to speak with a representative called Hayley.

    She set me up for a new meeting with Michelle Rigby the next day.

    24/4:

    In the meeting Rigby told me that the application had been lost by another department, so we had to
    make a new application.

    I had to go home and fetch the bank-statement from the old bank, and the utility-bills again, since they
    were needed again for the new application.

    I explained to Rigby that I was also looking for a loan, since I quite recently had been unemployed, and
    har arrears on my rent and on a couple of other bills.

    Rigby said that we could have a meeting where I would get a quote for a loan, after I had recieved the
    letter from the bank about the new account.

    I explained to Rigby that I had agreed with the girl in the reception on 19/4, that I would complain to the
    Manager, regarding that the bank didn’t call me on 18/4 or 19/4, like the blond girl/woman in the reception
    with the plain/short hair, had said that the Manager had said (on 18/4) that the bank would do.

    I also said to Rigby that the bank (meaning her), had been supposed to call me several times, but didnt.

    I asked Rigby if it would be possible to send an e-mail to the branch-manager about these things (that
    the bank didnt call on 18/4 and 19/4, and (Rigby) on the times before).

    But Rigby said that it wasnt possible for me to send an email about this to the Manager. (She only said
    ‘no’, when I asked if it was possible, but she didnt explain why it wasnt possible).

    She looked a bit upset when I asked about sending an e-mail to the Manager, so I didnt ask more about this.

    She did say (earlier in the meeting), that she had contacted the customer-care department about this, and that
    they would call me regarding the complaint one of the next days.

    25/4:

    On 25/4 I recieved a call from the customer-care department.

    I was at the gym while they called me, so I asked them if it would be possible for them to call me
    back later, when I was at home, and when I had the notes that I’m writing from now available.

    But the customer-care department didn’t call me back.

    Sometime between 25/4 and 11/5, I was at the bank again, and spoke with the blond girl with
    the plain/short hair.

    I told her that the customer-care department was supposed to call me, but didnt.

    She said that she had logged this as a complaint, and that they would call me from the customer-
    care department the next day.

    I also went there to set up a new meeting regarding the quote for the loan, that Rigby had said
    that I would get after I had got the letter from the bank about the new account.

    11/5:

    In the meeting about the loan, Rigby said that I couldnt get a loan, since I was self-employed,
    and only had copies of e-mails to document about my work.

    I asked her about the £100 switch-bonus, if I still would get the switch-bonus, even if my new
    account only was a cashcard (key-card) account.

    Rigby could confirm this. That it was absolutly certain that I would recieve the £100 switch-
    bonus, as soon as the three direct-debits were set up on my account, even if the account
    was just a ‘cashcard’-type of account, and not a current-account.

    I thought I’d ask this to be sure, since I thought I had read something about this in the rules
    for the switch-bonus on the RBS-site.

    So thats why I asked Rigby if she was absolutly certain about this, since I didn’t remember
    exactly what the rules said.

    (I tryed to check the RBS website when I got home, to see what the rules said, but I didnt
    manage to find the rules on the RBS website then, I think it must have been due to the
    switch-bonus campaign-periode being finished.)

    In the previous meeting (on 24/4), Rigby told me that I would get a quote for a loan as soon
    as I had recieved a letter from the bank confirming that the account had been opened.

    I had planned to expain in the meeting with Rigby on 11/5, about the problem with the that
    the customer-care department hadnt called me like they said they would do.

    I really had a quite high expectations about getting a loan to cover the arrears, since Rigby
    had said in the meeting 24/4 that I would be given a quote for a loan.

    So the fact that I didnt get a quote for a loan, made me a bit disapointed, and made me
    think about the £100 bonus.

    And after I had asked about that, it seemed on Rigby that she wanted to end the meeting,
    so I was a bit embarresed, and I didn’t get to ask about why the customer-care department
    hadnt called.

    But, as a precaution, I made sure to write down what Rigby had said about the £100 bonus
    on a note, as soon as I got home.

    I sent you an e-mail (from your website) about the problems (about the customer-care
    department not calling etc.) some weeks before 21/5, but I didnt recieve answer to this
    e-mail.

    21/5:

    On the 21/5, I was in your branch in Dale St. again, to deposit a cheque for £20, that I had
    recieved as a refund from Scottish Power.

    This was at around closing-time.

    So the blond girl with the long arranged hair and the circles under her eyes, had to lock me
    out of the bank by the staff-enterance.

    I tryed to be nice and say that I was sorry about being late etc.

    Then the girl started saying that I should get out of the house earlier.

    I work as self-employed from home, so if there is much to do, then I quite often dont go out
    of the house until the companies in Scandinavia (which I call to do research for my work), have
    closed.

    So I remember that I thought that the girl in the bank was a bit out of line starting comenting on
    when I went out of the house.

    I was only trying to be nice, I said sorry and tryed to tell a joke etc. (That I always use the
    staff-door etc).

    So I didnt think there was any need for her to be unpolite.

    So thats why I decided to write a new e-mail from the RBS website when I got home from
    depositing the cheque.

    23/5:

    On the 23/5, I called the Dale St. branch, enquiering about the £100 switch bonus.

    I had set up three direct-debits on my account, and I had an arrear at the gym, which I
    had promised the gym that I would pay when I recieved the bonus.

    I didnt catch the name of the representative I was speaking to. He knew who Rigby
    was, and by the tone he used (a bit agressive, like he was the one in charge, and
    if I remember right, I think the call was transfered to him after I had spoken with
    someone else, asking if I could speak with Rigby), and since he sounded like he
    was maybe 30 or 40 years old, due to this, I assumed that he was one of the
    managers.

    (It says on my notes that the call was aournd 4.30 pm, I wrote down the time since I
    didnt catch the name).

    The representative said that I would recieve a letter about a week after 4/6 (when the
    last of the three direct-debits was sheduled to be paid).

    In the letter, it would be explained when I would recieve the £100.

    (I seem to remember that he said that he thought it would take about one or two weeks
    from when I recieved the letter, until I would recieve the £100).

    8/6:

    In the beginning of June, there was a processing-error made by the gym (which is run
    by Liverpool City Council).

    Ive spoken with the RBS customer-care department (Jamie), and he said that it was
    a duplicate payment/processing error from the gym.

    He said that the gym only had one mandate, and that they therefore only could charge
    one payment a month.

    I had also spoken with Lorna at the same department about this earlier.

    Because when I tryed to withdraw some cash from my accout on 4/6, then it should
    have been about £20 there.

    But the cash-machine said that my account was overdrawn, so I called the RBS
    customer support line, and spoke with Matt. He said that he thought I should have
    gotten a refund on the £38 overdrawn charge from RBS, since he thought that the
    two Liverpool City Council charges looked so similar on the system, that he thought a
    member of the RBS staff should have picked it up.

    I later spoke with Lorna from the RBS customer support department about this, but she
    said that the gym/Liverpool council had to pay, because it was their fault, and the bank
    was unable to refund the charge.

    I tryed to call Lorna (on 0845 300 4416) and get some more details about how I should
    explain to the council about what had happened, and Lorna was supposed to call me
    back on 7/6 I can see from my notes, but my notes also says that she didnt call.

    Thats why I called back and spoke with Jamie on 8/6.

    15/6:

    I hadnt recieved a letter about the £100 bonus which I was told on the phone by
    the representative from the Dale St. branch on 23/5, that I would recieve about
    a week after 4/6.

    The Dale St. branch gave me the number to the RBS account-team.

    The account-team gave me the number to the £100-team.

    Then I got told that the account-type I had (key-account), wasnt eligable
    for the £100 bonus.

    The bonus was only for current-accounts.

    I told the person from the £100-team that I had got it confirmed from the Dale
    St. branch on two occations that I would still recieve the bonus even if my
    account only was a cashcard (key-card) account-type.

    The representative from the £100-team, agreed with me that the Dale St. branch
    was obligated by what its representatives had told me, and he adviced me to
    call back to the Dale St. branch.

    This was Friday afternoon, so I said I’d call them back on Monday.

    He said that it was possible to also call the bank on Saturday.

    I said that I would call the bank eighter on Saturday or Monday.

    18/6:

    I called the bank on Monday again, and spoke with Paul from the customer-
    services department.

    I explained him about the situation, and he said that the bank would call
    me back about this.

    But noone called.

    25/6:

    I called the Dale St. branch again, reminding them that they were supposed to call me,
    and the representative said that they would call me back about this the next day.

    I asked what I should do if they didnt call, and we agreed that I would call back on
    Wednesday if noone called me on Tuesday.

    26/6:

    I recieved this e-mail from you:

    ‘from “Williams, Yvonne (CRU)” hide details Jun 26 (7 days ago)
    to Erik Ribsskog < eribsskog@gmail.com>
    date Jun 26, 2007 4:30 PM
    subject RE: Earlier e-mail
    mailed-by rbs.co.uk
    Dear Ms Ribsskog

    Could you please arrange another copy of your email to be sent to me for my investigation

    Regards

    Yvonne Williams’

    I’ll forward you back that e-mail, since I dont think it should say ‘Ms’ as a title for me,
    since Im not a woman, and Im also not sure if it should say ‘Regards’ or ‘Yours
    sincerely’, when its a business e-mail.

    27/6:

    Noone called me on Tuesday, so I called back on 27/6 and spoke with Michael.

    He said that Michelle Rigby would call me back before the end of buisness the
    same day.

    But she didnt.

    27/6:

    On 27/6, I also called the RBS customer-support line (on 0845 724 2424).

    This was due to that the gym I go to suddently closed for six weeks due to refurbisment
    on 25/6.

    I thought six weeks was a bit long for me to not work out, so I decided to switch to another
    gym in the City center.

    So I didnt think I should pay the monthly direct debits to the gym, when they suddently
    close for six weeks without giving their customers any information about this.

    So thats why I after I’d switched to the other gym, called RBS, to cancel the gym/Liverpool
    city council direct-debit from my account.

    I spoke with Greg, who could inform me that there still was two direct-debits registered on
    my account from Liverpool City Council.

    Both direct-debits had the same reference-number (LIFE 800 1561), Greg told me.

    I asked him if he was absolutly sure, due to all the phone-calls I had been taking about
    this in the beginning of the month.

    I thought it was strange that there still should be a problem with two direct-debits from the
    gym being registered on my account.

    Due to the gym only having one mandate, due to me speaking with both Matt, Lorna
    and Jamie from RBS about this, and I had also been speaking to council about this,
    trying to get them to refund the charge.

    So I think it was very strange that there still should be two direct-debits from the gym
    on my account. Really, when the gym was closed for refurbishment there shouldnt
    really have been any direct-debit there at all.

    Anyway, I canceled both the direct-debits, and Greg adviced me to call another phone-
    number, he reckoned they maybe give me an overdraft on the account (since I was having
    problems with the direct-debits due to the charges from the duplicate payments/processing
    errors), but they didnt, since it wasnt a current account that I had.

    28/6:

    I first called the branch a couple of times around 3 pm., but noone answered on 0151
    236 6790.

    I called back at around 3.30, and spoke with a guy which I didnt catch the name of.

    I asked him if he was the same representative that I had spoken with the day before
    (Michael), but he didnt answer.

    He said that Michell Rigby would call me back later the same day, but she didnt.

    29/6:

    I called the bank again at around 2pm, and spoke with Lisa.

    I asked to speak with Rigby, but Lisa said that Rigby had the day off.

    I asked Lisa if she could check my contact-information, and have a look
    and see if the telephone-numbers that was registered on my contact-
    information was correct, since noone ever seemed to call me back from
    the bank.

    Lisa said that ‘it was not possible for them to see the phone-numbers
    on the system’, I see from my notes.

    She said that Rigby would call me back on Monday.

    2/7:

    Rigby didnt call again, so I called the branch at around 3.20 pm and got
    transfered to Nicky.

    I asked her first if she could have a look at the phone-numbers that were
    registered on my contact-information, to see if there was some problem
    with the phone-numbers.

    Nicky said that my landline-number (0151.236.3298), was correctly registered,
    and had been registered on my contact-information-file on 8/6.

    She said that my mobile-number (0775.834.9954), first had been registered
    correct.

    But she said that my mobile-number had been changed on my file, to
    0775.834.9554, on 27/4.

    I asked her what one had to do to change the mobile-number back, and
    she said one had to write a signature on a form.

    I asked her if she thought it would be possible to ask Rigby to call me
    back on my landline-number, and she said she thought it would be.

    I asked her if was at 4.45 pm that the bank closed, and she said it was.

    So we agreed that I would stay home until after 4.45 pm (it was only
    about 1.5 hours), and then she would ask Rigby to call me on my
    landline.

    I explained to Nicky that I had been having problems with Rigby
    being supposed to call me back, without calling, several times last week,
    thats why I mentioned that I’d stay close to the landline-phone until
    the bank closed, so that there wouldnt be any chance of the call
    being missed.

    But Rigby didnt call, and I made sure to stay within hearing distance of
    the phone, and I also made sure not to use the phone taking any other
    outbound calls during this time, and there also werent any other inbound
    calls.

    I made sure about this due to the earlier problems surrounding the calls
    from Rigby and the bank, to make sure that she couldnt said she had
    try to call, because then I would have known.

    So I’m planning to contact the branch customer support manager about
    this tomorrow.

    I’m not sure if I need to summarise the complaints from this explanation.

    It’s quite late now, so I think I’ll just contact you back about how I should
    go forward with the summary of the complaints, if I dont hear from you.

    I’m not sure when I should do this, since I understand that you are going
    away on holiday, and also not sure if I should wait with this until you get
    back again from holiday, or if I should speak with someone else about this?

    I’ll also forward you back the e-mail that I got from you on Tuesday last
    week, since I thought it was a bit strange that I got two different answers
    from you about the same e-mail, and also I thought it was a bit strange
    that the email said ‘Ms’ as a title etc, like I explained above, so I’ll forward
    you back that e-mail, so that it should be possible for you to make it
    clear if you are also expecting another answer from me, and because I
    thought it was a bit strange with the title etc.

    Hope that this is alright, please tell me how you want me to go forward
    with the summarising of the complaint, and just contact me if you have
    any other questions regarding the complaint/explanation.

    Yours sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog

    When she came back from speaki

    On 6/27/07, Williams, Yvonne (CRU) wrote:
    Dear Mr Ibsskog

    If you would like to give me details of your complaint so I can investigate
    the issues for you.

    Your sincerely

    Yvonne Williams

    Yvonne Williams
    Customer Relations Unit
    The Forthstone Building
    56 South Gyle Crescent
    Edinburgh
    EH12 9LE
    Tel: 0131 550 5745
    Fax: 0131 523 6551
    Email: Yvonne.Williams@rbs.co.uk
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    E-mail from the Financial Ombudsman on 10/9.
    from “Borg, Lisa” hide details 3:25 pm (6 hours ago)
    to Erik Ribsskog
    date Sep 10, 2007 3:25 PM
    subject Ref 7307528
    Thank you for your email.

    We cannot deal with a complaint concerning a bank’s commercial judgement in a decision about lending or security. In such matters we can only deal with complaints about maladministration by the bank. Maladministration may include a relevant mistake, undue delay, conflicting information or advice, improper discrimination or failure to follow bank procedures properly.

    I am afraid that there are some limitations to our powers. One of these is that we do not have a general “policing” function with regard to banks. We do not, for example, have power to order or recommend that a bank should improve its level of service or its administrative procedures. We cannot award punitive damages against the bank. Our only power is the award of monetary compensation in order to make good outstanding loss or substantial inconvenience to a complainant caused as a result of a breach of duty on the bank’s part.

    I should explain that we do not have a regulatory or supervisory role over the banks. Our only power is the award of monetary compensation in order to make good outstanding loss, damage or inconvenience to a complainant caused as a result of a breach of duty on the bank’s part. The firm have made you an offer of £100 which we would think fair.

    Regards

    Lisa Borg

    ________________________________________
    From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]
    Sent: 30 July 2007 13:25
    To: External Enquiries
    Subject: Advice
    Hi,

    I’ve been in contact with RBS regarding a complaint about several different issues.

    When I wrote, it got quite late, so I didn’t summarise the complaint, I instead asked
    them in which way they wanted me to summarise the complaint.

    Then I just recieved a letter in which the complaint was summarised the way they
    saw it.

    When I look at their summary, I see that some of the points that I mentioned in my
    explenation aren’t included in the summary they have written.

    So, I called Lorelei Welsh (who had written the summary) on 23/7, and explained to her
    that I wasn’t sure on how to go forward with the complaint (formally) due to this, and
    I pointed to her letter, where it said that it was possible for me to contact you for
    advice.

    So thats why I contact you now, to get advice on how to go forward with my complaint
    from how the situation is now.

    In the phone-call with Lorelei Welsh on 23/7, Welsh said that she would send me a
    booklet in which it explains more about the Financial Ombudsman Service).

    (It says in her letter that she had already sent me a booklet with a another letter, prior
    to her letter of 6/7. But this isn’t actually right, since the letter I got from her on 23/7,
    was the first letter I recieved from her.

    I also asked her about this on 23/7, and then she confirmed that there wasn’t any such
    letter, that is a letter from her to me from before 6/7.)

    So after recieving the booklet about The Financial Ombudsman Service last week, I read
    in the booklet, but I couldn’t find anything in particular about how one should ask about
    advice about issues like the one I agreed with Welsh about on 23/7, that I should contact
    you about.

    So, I’m not sure if I need to send a formal complaint to get advice from you, but I send this
    enquiery anyway, since this is what I agreed with Welsh on, on 23/7.

    I also enclose a copy of the letter from RBS from 23/7, and I’m also going to forward you
    the e-mail containing my complaint, and also another e-mail that was forwarded with it.

    Hope that this is alright, and please contact me if I have done any errors in this process,
    or if there’s anything else I should have remembered.

    Yours sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog
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    Friday, 7 September 2007
    Teknisk problem med e-post adresse.
    from Erik Ribsskog hide details Apr 4
    to anne.britt.lund@aktivkapital.no
    date Apr 4, 2007 6:29 PM
    subject Saksnr. 1872194
    mailed-by gmail.com
    Hei,
    jeg skulle ha ringt nå før påske angående denne saken.

    Grunnen til at jeg ikke har ringt, var at jeg gjerne ville finne ut nøyaktig hvor
    mye jeg kommer til å tjene i den nye jobben først, for å vite hvor mye jeg kan
    betale hver måned.
    Men jeg må snakke mer med arbeidsgiveren min osv. om dette, fordi dette
    er ikke helt avklart enda.
    Så jeg kontaktere dere igjen angående dette så fort som mulig over påske.
    Håper dette er i orden, og beklager forsinkelsen.

    Vennlig hilsen
    Erik Ribsskog

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    from Anne-Britt Lund hide details Apr 10
    to Erik Ribsskog
    date Apr 10, 2007 6:47 AM
    subject SV: Saksnr. 1872194
    Viser til din henvendelse, og avventer din snarlige tilbakemelding.
    Mvh Anne Britt Lund
    Tlf: 380 – 41418
    ________________________________________
    Fra: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]
    Sendt: 4. april 2007 19:30
    Til: Anne-Britt Lund
    Emne: Saksnr. 1872194
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    Hei,
    jeg skulle ha ringt nå før påske angående denne saken.

    Grunnen til at jeg ikke har ringt, var at jeg gjerne ville finne ut nøyaktig hvor
    mye jeg kommer til å tjene i den nye jobben først, for å vite hvor mye jeg kan
    betale hver måned.
    Men jeg må snakke mer med arbeidsgiveren min osv. om dette, fordi dette
    er ikke helt avklart enda.
    Så jeg kontaktere dere igjen angående dette så fort som mulig over påske.
    Håper dette er i orden, og beklager forsinkelsen.

    Vennlig hilsen
    Erik Ribsskog

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    E-mail from the CAB on 6/9.
    Kristian Khan hide details Sep 6 (18 hours ago)
    to eribsskog@gmail.com
    cc Saffron.Follows@citizensadvice.org.uk,
    Janet Ward
    date Sep 6, 2007 6:42 PM
    Dear Mr Ribsskog.

    I am contacting you with regard to the complaint that you submitted to Saffron Follows, Citizens Advice complaints and policy officer, on 23rd May 2007. I have now been able to undertake an investigation into the issues that you raised and my finding are detailed below.

    I understand that you attended the Bureau on 27th February 2007 and saw our Duty Solicitor Eleanor Pool on a free first interview basis about a harassment at work issue. Ms Pool completed a Bureau Legal Information Service sheet in which she advised you that you possibly may have a claim for harassment but there was insufficient time to obtain full details and you would benefit from speaking to someone who could advise on criminal aspect as well. Ms Pool took the case back to her firm, Morecrofts. You state that on 28th February you received a letter from Eleanor Pool informing you that they could take on the case at a cost of £140 per hour. I take the the view that any action taken by a solicitor after we have facilitated a free first 1/2 hour interview is not our concern – these concerns would need to be addressed to the solicitor directly and therefore I do not concede that the Bureau is responsible for this

    On 5th April 2007 you had an appointment to see an Employment Duty Solicitor from EAD at 1.30pm . EAD rang shortly before your appointment to say that unfortunately no one from the firm was available to attend. As this phonecall was received very close to 1.30pm you arrived minutes later. (From my recollection the preceding client/s had failed to attend anyway).

    As is common practice I apologized to you explaining that it was not our fault and provided you with the phone number of EAD so that you could contact them yourself to arrange an appointment with them to replace the cancelled on of 5th April 2007.

    You state in your complaint that you rang EAD and spoke to Michael Reiner who took details of the case and advised you that you were outside of the 3-month time limit to commence employment tribunal proceedings and that only in very limited circumstances could this time limit be extended. You further state that you enquired about Legal Aid over the phone but Mr Reiner advised that he could not provide advice on this over the phone.

    As far as I am concerned you did received a free initial interview from EAD, ableit in telephone form, so as such I do not feel that the Bureau was at fault.

    ————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————–

    Below I have taken each of the individual points that you made (in bold) and offered my response to each. I have copied and pasted the complainant’s points from the actual email complaint made by you.

    1. I think the CAB should have set up a new meeting between the duty
    solicitor and myself, when the duty solicitor canceled the scheduled
    meeting there on 05/04/07.

    I did not set up a new meeting because the next employment duty solicitor slot was not until 24th April and that was fully booked. Therefore the next appt. would have been at some point in May and I was reluctant to leave things this long as I was aware (without knowing the details of the case) that time limits may have been evident. Furthermore, when Duty Sols. cancel they invariable see/speak to those clients at our request who were booked either on the same day or shortly after.

    2. I think they should have informed me about the name of the duty
    solicitor that canceled the meeting. They didnt do this even if I asked
    them about this twice.

    We did not know the name; indeed we do not habitually know the names – the firms send different people and it was the firm who rang to cancel saying that no one from the firm was available to attend.

    3. I dont think the CAB should have adivised me to contact the duty
    solicitors firm EAD on the phone on 5/4, since one needs to go through
    the documents of the case in detail, to see if one are eligable for legal
    aid. Which was what the scheduled meeting was supposed to be about.

    Please see response to Question 1 – furthermore we do not take responsibility for advising clients on their legal aid entitlements at the Reception desk at the time of booking a Duty Solicitor appt – this is why people are referred to the solicitor if they require specialist advice .

    4. I dont think the CAB, like they for the meeting on 5/4, should set
    me up for a meeting with a Solicitors firms (EAD), that aren’t based
    in Liverpool. The Solicitor-firms that they set up to do task of Duty Solicitor
    representaton, should be based in Liverpool, for practical reasons,
    if someone wants to go to the Solicitors office to speak with
    someone there etc.

    EAD are based in Liverpool. Their address is: Prospect House, Columbus Quay, Riverside Drive, Liverpool, L3 4DB.

    5. I dont think the CAB should have given me the wrong number
    to the EAD solicitiors firm.

    Upheld – I accidentally gave you the fax number (708-0606) and for this I apologize.

    6. I think the CAB should have the lights on in the parts of their offices
    where members of the public are recieved, and in their other public
    areas, during their opening hours. This to insure that contacts between representatives from the CAB and
    members of the public are kept in an atmosphare that one would expect
    from a public place. (And not in an atmosphare that one would think
    belonged more to a privat place/situation.) I think they should have the lights on during the opening hours, and that
    they should not arrange meetings with members of the public to be held
    with the lights off. (Like they did when I went there for the Duty Solicitors meeting, and ended
    up first sitting waiting for several minutes in the dark, and then speaking with
    the CAB representative for several minutes in the dark, on 5/4).

    The lights were partially switched off as we were closed for lunch. I switched them on again when I began speaking to you and I admit that they perhaps should have been left on fully in order to create a professional atmosphere.

    7. I think that the CAB should have informed before the meeting with the
    Duty Solicitor from Morecrofts on 27/2, that the Morecrofts Solicitors firm
    only accepted payment from private founds. And that Morecrofts didn’t accept founding founded by the legal aid-
    programme, like the Duty Solicitor from Morecrofts, Eleanor Pool, informed
    me of on 22/3.

    Please see response to Question 3.

    8. I think that the CAB should have informed me before the meeting with
    Duty Solicitor Eleanor Pool from Morecrofts there on 27/2, that the
    meeting only was scheduled to last for thirty minutes. I wasnt made aware of this, untill Eleanor Pool first informed me of this when
    the thirty minutes had passed.

    As far as I am aware, clients are advised that the Duty Solicitor service is a “free first 1/2. I can confirm that both Reception staff and myself make clients aware of this at the time of booking the appointment.

    9. I think the CAB should have explained to me about the legal aid system,
    and how it works, before they set me up for the meeting with Duty Solicitor
    Eleanor Pool from Morecrofts there on 27/2. Especially since this was an employment-case (like I told them that the
    police had told me to tell them that it was).

    Please see response to Question 3.

    10. I also think that the solicitor I got to speak with on the phone (about when
    one would need a criminal solicitor), when I was at the CAB on 20/3, should
    have explained to me what her name was, and which solicitors firm she was
    calling from. I was put in a room at the CAB, and told to wait untill the solicitor called me.
    But when I answered, I picked up the phone and said ‘yes hello this is Erik
    Ribsskog speaking’, but the solicitor didnt say eighter what her name was
    or the name of her company was, she just asked what my questions were.
    Also, when I had finished speaking with the solicitor on the phone, then
    the CAB advisor had starting speaking with another member of the public
    there, without informing me that our meeting was finished, and without
    me being alowed to finish explaining why I had gone there.
    I had gone there to ask about two things.
    1. About when one needs a criminal advisor, and 2. how the legal aid system works.

    But I only got to tell about the first point, before I was put in the room to
    wait for the phone from the solicitor. Without me first being informed that
    my meeting with the CAB advisor had finished.

    If the solicitor failed to give her name then I am afraid that I do not see how the Bureau was to blame for that. We cannot be held responsible for what a solicitor does or does not do. You state that you attended CAB on 20th March 2007 and spoke to a criminal solicitor by phone, and then asked us about Legal Aid and was advised to check the CLS Eligibility calculator. If the Bureau was fully booked on that day then you may well have been advised to check this calculator as we like to offer some “signposting” advice that will enable the client to undertake some work/research on this case prior to their appointment at the Bureau. The CLS calculator advised that it could not assist you as you were self-employed and so you returned to the CAB and was given the appt. 5th April 2007.

    11. So I think that the CAB advisor should have told me that the meeting
    there on 20/3 was finished, before ending the meeting.
    Since this would have given me the chance to explain that there were more
    things that I wanted to bring up in the meeting.

    It would seem that there was no availabilty for you to see an adviser on 20th March 2007 and this may explain why you were only given “signposting” advice i.e. be allowed to talk to a solicitor on the phone and then be given the CLS calculator website.

    ————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————–

    In conclusion I have investigated your concerns and I hope that you are satisfied with this response, however you should remain dissatisfied then you can contact the following:

    THE CHAIR
    LIVERPOOL CENTRAL CAB
    1ST FLOOR
    STATE HOUSE
    22 DALE STREET
    LIVERPOOL
    L2 4TR

    Yours Sincerley

    KRISTIAN KHAN
    GENERAL UNIT COORDINATOR.

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    Sunday, 2 September 2007

    E-mail to Politidirektoratet (a unit/direktorat under the Norwegian Department of Justice) on 23/8. (In Norwegian):
    (I haven’t recieved a reply to this e-mail yet, thats why I thought it might be best to put the e-mails in the last entries on the internet, just in case something might be ‘wrong’, since I think I should have recieved a reply/answer by now).

    from Erik Ribsskog hide details Aug 23
    to politidirektoratet@politiet.no
    date Aug 23, 2007 5:51 PM
    subject Råd om fremgangsmåte/Klage på saksbehandlingen i Kripos
    mailed-by gmail.com
    Hei,

    jeg har vært i kontakt med Norge.no (forsynings og administrasjonsdepartementet), i forbindelse
    med at jeg lurt på hvem som kunne svare meg på om Kripos har fulgt riktig fremgangsmåte
    i en sak.

    Jeg måtte beskrive saken på en generell måte for Norge.no, for at det skulle være mulig for
    de å forstå spørsmålet mitt.

    Her er det jeg skrev i den siste e-posten jeg sendte de:

    ‘Hei,

    siden dette er et forsøk på å få råd om hvordan jeg skal gå fram i forbindelse med kontakten
    med Kripos, så tror jeg heller at jeg prøver å omformulere spørsmålet mitt, før jeg kontakter
    Kripos igjen:

    Jeg har vært i kontakt med Kripos i forbindelse med en kriminalsak.

    I forbindelse med denne kontakten, så var det en del problemer, som jeg synes var såpass
    alvorlige, at jeg bestemte meg for å levere en klage til Spesialenheten.

    Men jeg var fortsatt i kontakt med andre person(er) i Kripos angående selve kriminalsaken.

    I forbindelse med dette, så sendte jeg en e-post til Kripos med noen spørsmål.

    Så fikk jeg dette svaret tilbake:

    ‘Hei.
    Vi har mottatt en henvendelse fra Spesialenheten for politisaker hvor vi bes redegjøre for den kontakt vi har hatt med deg. Bakgrunnen er din klage til spesialenheten om det samme. Vi arbeider nå med svaret til spesialenheten, og jeg mener det i denne situasjonen vil være feil å parallelt svare deg på en type spørsmål som vi kan regne med å få fra dem.

    Jeg håper du derfor har forståelse for at du ikke får svar på de spørsmålene du her ber om.’

    Han skriver at jeg har klaget til Spesialenheten angående den kontakt jeg har hatt med Kripos (‘den kontakt vi har hatt med deg’), men klagen var jo på enkeltpersoner i Kripos, og ikke på Kripos som etat.

    Så jeg lurte på om det da er riktig at Kripos som etat ikke kan hjelpe meg å svare på de spørsmålene jeg har stilt?

    Skulle det ikke da vært sånn at noen andre i Kripos (som ikke var involvert i klagesaken) kunne svare på spørsmålene?

    Håper det ble litt mer klargjort nå.

    Bare kontakt meg hvis det trengs mer informasjon.’

    Så det jeg lurte på var altså om det er riktig at Kripos som etat ikke kan hjelpe meg å svare på de spørsmålene jeg har stilt, med
    begrunnelsen at de har blitt kontaktet av Spesialenheten angående den kontakt jeg har hatt med enkeltpersoner i Kripos?

    Skulle ikke Kripos da latt noen andre personer, som ikke er involvert i klage-saken, svare på spørsmålene istedet da?

    Det var dette jeg lurte litt på hvordan reglene var for, og Norge.no rådet meg til å kontakte dere angående dette, siden de skriver
    at politidirektoratet har ansvaret for blant annet politiets særorganer.

    Og grunnen til denne henvendelsen er vel mere for å prøve å finne ut hvordan dette er egentlig er ment å fungere, altså om
    Kripos går frem på riktig måte eller ikke, ettersom jeg ikke er noen ekspert på hvordan dette er ment å være. Men selvfølgelig
    hvis de går frem på feil måte, så bør vel dette sees på som en klage. Men jeg tar forbehold, i.o.m. at det jeg først og fremst
    forsøker å få klarhet i, er hvordan dette egentlig er ment å fungere.

    Så jeg håper dere har muliget til å svare meg på dette, og bare kontakt meg hvis dere ønsker at jeg skal sende kopier av
    korrespondanse, eller hvis det er noen annen informasjon som trengs å oppgis!

    Mvh.

    Erik Ribsskog

    E-mail from Norge.no (which are sorting under the Norwegian Government’s Department for Administration) on 16/8. (In Norwegian):

    from “info2@norge.no” hide details Aug 16
    to Erik Ribsskog
    date Aug 16, 2007 1:13 PM
    subject (Ref. nr:16481) Kripos

    Images are not displayed.
    Display images below – Always display images from info2@norge.no
    Erik Ribsskog 2007-08-03 14:43:28:
    – Hide quoted text –

    > Hei,
    >
    > jeg kan ikke se at jeg har mottatt svar på denne e-posten ennå, så derfor
    > prøver jeg å sende
    > den på nytt.
    >
    > Håper dette er i orden!
    >
    > Med vennlig hilsen
    >
    > Erik Ribsskog
    >
    > ———- Forwarded message ———-
    > From: Erik Ribsskog
    > Date: Jul 22, 2007 9:46 AM
    > Subject: Re: (Ref. nr:16481) Kripos
    > To: “info2@norge.no”
    >
    >
    > Hei,
    >
    > siden dette er et forsøk på å få råd om hvordan jeg skal gå fram i
    > forbindelse med kontakten
    > med Kripos, så tror jeg heller at jeg prøver å omformulere spørsmålet mitt,
    > før jeg kontakter
    > Kripos igjen:
    >
    > Jeg har vært i kontakt med Kripos i forbindelse med en kriminalsak.
    >
    > I forbindelse med denne kontakten, så var det en del problemer, som jeg
    > synes var såpass
    > alvorlige, at jeg bestemte meg for å levere en klage til Spesialenheten.
    >
    > Men jeg var fortsatt i kontakt med andre person(er) i Kripos angående selve
    > kriminalsaken.
    >
    > I forbindelse med dette, så sendte jeg en e-post til Kripos med noen
    > spørsmål.
    >
    > Så fikk jeg dette svaret tilbake:
    >
    > ‘Hei.
    > Vi har mottatt en henvendelse fra Spesialenheten for politisaker hvor vi
    > bes redegjøre for den kontakt vi har hatt med deg. Bakgrunnen er din klage
    > til spesialenheten om det samme. Vi arbeider nå med svaret til
    > spesialenheten, og jeg mener det i denne situasjonen vil være feil å
    > parallelt svare deg på en type spørsmål som vi kan regne med å få fra dem.
    >
    > Jeg håper du derfor har forståelse for at du ikke får svar på de
    > spørsmålene du her ber om.’
    >
    >
    > Han skriver at jeg har klaget til Spesialenheten angående den kontakt jeg
    > har hatt med Kripos (‘den kontakt vi har hatt med deg’), men klagen var jo
    > på enkeltpersoner i Kripos, og ikke på Kripos som etat.
    >
    > Så jeg lurte på om det da er riktig at Kripos som etat ikke kan hjelpe meg
    > å svare på de spørsmålene jeg har stilt?
    >
    > Skulle det ikke da vært sånn at noen andre i Kripos (som ikke var involvert
    > i klagesaken) kunne svare på spørsmålene?
    >
    > Håper det ble litt mer klargjort nå.
    >
    > Bare kontakt meg hvis det trengs mer informasjon.
    >
    > Mvh.
    >
    > Erik Ribsskog
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On 7/19/07, info2@norge.no wrote:
    >
    > >Erik Ribsskog 2007-07-18 15:15:20:
    > >> Hei,
    > >>
    > >> jeg har vært i en del kontakt med Kripos i forbindelse med en
    > >kriminalsak.
    > >>
    > >> Så er jeg litt i tvil om Kripos har gått frem på riktig måte i
    > >forbindelse
    > >> med denne
    > >> kontakten.
    > >>
    > >> Så da lurte jeg på, hvem er det jeg skal kontakte for å få hjelp til å
    > >> finne ut av dette?
    > >> (Altså om Kripos som etat har gått frem riktig eller ikke i forbindelse
    > >med
    > >> kontakten.)
    > >>
    > >> Jeg skriver det ikke noe mer detaljert enn dette, jeg bare lurer på hvem
    > >> det er som er
    > >> overordnet Kripos kan man si.
    > >>
    > >> På forhånd takk og med vennlig hilsen
    > >>
    > >> Erik Ribsskog
    > >Vi viser til e-post mottatt av Norge.no.
    > >
    > >Kripos ble etablert 1. januar 2005 og samler Kriminalpolitisentralen,
    > >etterforskningsprosjektet CATCH og Politiets datakrimsenter i ett
    > >særorgan. Oppgavene er å bekjempe organisert kriminalitet, internasjonale
    > >forbrytelser og annen alvorlig kriminalitet.
    > >
    > >Kripos er underlagt Politidirektoratet. Ledelsen har påtalekompetanse og
    > >er underlagt Riksadvokaten i straffesaksbehandlingen. Det nasjonale
    > >kriminaltekniske laboratoriet som ligger hos Kripos, yter kriminalteknisk
    > >bistand til politidistriktene i alvorlige saker.
    > >Du kan lese mer om Kripos på politets nettsider
    > >
    > >http://www.politi.no/portal/
    > >page?_pageid=34,49028&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL&articles2_mode=about&articles2_articleId=23937&navigation3_mode=shortcuts1_map&navigation4_mode=shortcuts1&articles5_mode=aboutCategory&articles5_articleGroupName=Organisasjon%20Underkategori&navigation1_parentItemId=1926&navigation1_selectedItemId=1841&orgUnitId=&uicell=uicell04&navigation3_parentItemId=1841
    > >
    > >http://www.politi.no/portal/
    > >page?_pageid=34,49046&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL&articles2_mode=about_od&articles2_articleGroupName=Om%20distriktet%20Hovedside&navigation3_mode=shortcuts1&navigation4_mode=shortcuts1&articles5_mode=aboutCategory_od&articles5_articleGroupName=Om%20distrik tet%20Underkategori&persons1_mode=about&navigation1_parentItemId=1897&navigation1_selectedItemId=1980&navigation3_parentItemId=1980&orgUnitId=1926&uicell=12497.JPG
    > >Kripos er underlagt Politidirektoratet. Det er ikke klart for oss hva du
    > >ønsker å klage på, ta gjerne kontakt med Kripos for informasjon, de kan
    > >lede deg til rett klageinstans.
    > >Kripos
    > >Telefon: 23 20 80 00
    > >e-post: kripos@politiet.no
    > >Besøksadresse: Brynsalléen 6, 0667 Oslo
    > >Postadresse: Postboks 8163 Dep, 0034 Oslo
    > >
    > >
    > >Politidirektoratet (POD)
    > >Postadresse : Postboks 8051 Dep
    > > 0031 Oslo
    > >Telefon : 23 36 41 00
    > >Telefaks : 23 36 42 96
    > >Nettsted : www.politi.no
    > >E-post : politidirektoratet@politiet.no
    > >Engelsk navn : National Police Directorate
    > >
    > >
    > >Med vennlig hilsen
    > >
    > >_Norge.no_-_Logo_
    > >Norge.no – din vegviser i det offentlige
    > >Tlf: 800 30 300.
    > >E-post: info@norge.no.
    > >SMS: Send INFO til 1980.
    > >Nettprat: www.norge.no/opplysningstjenesten/nettprat.asp.
    > >Publikumstjenesten vår er åpen mandag – fredag kl. 08.00 – 16.00.
    > >Du kan også ringe den døgnåpne taleportalen vår på tlf.nr_800 30 301.
    > >På nettsidene våre, www.norge.no, finner du offentlig informasjon og
    > >opplysninger om offentlege etater.
    >
    >

    Vi viser til e-post mottatt av Norge.no.

    Vi beklager at du ikke har fått svar tidligere. Posten ble sendt direkte til meg, og jeg har hatt ferie siden 20. juli.
    Norge.no er en veiviser til det offentlige. Vi kan ikke uttale oss om enkeltsaker, bare vise til rett myndighet.
    Klage på saksbehandlingen i Kripos og spesialenheten for politisaker kan rettes til Politidirektoratet

    Besøksadresse: Hammersborggata 12
    Postadresse: Postboks 8051 Dep, 0031 Oslo
    Telefon: 23 36 41 00
    Telefax: 23 36 42 96
    e-post: politidirektoratet@politiet.no
    Politidirektoratets har ansvar for faglig ledelse, styring, oppfølging og utvikling av politidistriktene og politiets særorganer. Det er politidistriktenes og særorganenes overordnede myndighet og nærmeste støttespiller. Direktoratet har rundt 120 ansatte.
    Mer om Politidirektoratet her:

    http://www.politi.no/portal/page?_pageid=34,49046&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL&articles2_mode=about_od&articles2_articleGroupName=Om%20distriktet%20Hovedside&navigation3_mode=shortcuts1&navigation4_mode=shortcuts1&articles5_mode=aboutCategory_od&articles5_articleGroupName=Om%20distriktet%20Underkategori&persons1_mode=about&navigation1_parentItemId=1916&navigation1_selectedItemId=1868&navigation3_parentItemId=1868&orgUnitId=1937&uicell=12484.JPG
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    Med vennlig hilsen

    Norge.no – din vegviser i det offentlige
    Tlf: 800 30 300.
    E-post: info@norge.no.
    SMS: Send INFO til 1980.
    Nettprat: www.norge.no/opplysningstjenesten/nettprat.asp.
    Publikumstjenesten vår er åpen mandag – fredag kl. 08.00 – 16.00.
    Du kan også ringe den døgnåpne taleportalen vår på tlf.nr 800 30 301.
    På nettsidene våre, www.norge.no, finner du offentlig informasjon og opplysninger om offentlege etater.

    E-mail from Norge.no (which are sorting under the Norwegian Government’s Department for Administration) on 19/7. (In Norwegian):

    from “info2@norge.no” hide details Jul 19
    to Erik Ribsskog
    date Jul 19, 2007 8:48 AM
    subject (Ref. nr:16481) Kripos

    Images are not displayed.
    Display images below – Always display images from info2@norge.no
    Erik Ribsskog 2007-07-18 15:15:20:
    > Hei,
    >
    > jeg har vært i en del kontakt med Kripos i forbindelse med en kriminalsak.
    >
    > Så er jeg litt i tvil om Kripos har gått frem på riktig måte i forbindelse
    > med denne
    > kontakten.
    >
    > Så da lurte jeg på, hvem er det jeg skal kontakte for å få hjelp til å
    > finne ut av dette?
    > (Altså om Kripos som etat har gått frem riktig eller ikke i forbindelse med
    > kontakten.)
    >
    > Jeg skriver det ikke noe mer detaljert enn dette, jeg bare lurer på hvem
    > det er som er
    > overordnet Kripos kan man si.
    >
    > På forhånd takk og med vennlig hilsen
    >
    > Erik Ribsskog
    Vi viser til e-post mottatt av Norge.no.

    Kripos ble etablert 1. januar 2005 og samler Kriminalpolitisentralen, etterforskningsprosjektet CATCH og Politiets datakrimsenter i ett særorgan. Oppgavene er å bekjempe organisert kriminalitet, internasjonale forbrytelser og annen alvorlig kriminalitet.

    Kripos er underlagt Politidirektoratet. Ledelsen har påtalekompetanse og er underlagt Riksadvokaten i straffesaksbehandlingen. Det nasjonale kriminaltekniske laboratoriet som ligger hos Kripos, yter kriminalteknisk bistand til politidistriktene i alvorlige saker.
    Du kan lese mer om Kripos på politets nettsider

    http://www.politi.no/portal/page?_pageid=34,49028&_dad =portal&_schema=PORTAL&articles2_mode=about&articles2_articleId=23937&navigation3_mode=shortcuts1_map&navigation4_mode=shortcuts1&articles5_mode=aboutCategory&articles5_articleGroupName=Organisasjon%20Underkategori&navigation1_parentItemId=1926&navigation1_selectedItemId=1841&orgUnitId=&uicell=uicell04&navigation3_parentItemId=1841

    http://www.politi.no/portal/page?_pageid=34,49046&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL&articles2_mode=about_od&articles2_articleGroupName=Om%20distriktet%20Hovedside&navigation3_mode=shortcuts1&navigation4_mode=shortcuts1&articles5_mode=aboutCategory_od&articles5_articleGroupName=Om%20distriktet%20Underkategori&persons1_mode=about&navigation1_parentItemId=1897&navigation1_selectedItemId=1980&navigation3_parentItemId=1980&orgUnitId=1926&uicell=12497.JPG
    Kripos er underlagt Politidirektoratet. Det er ikke klart for oss hva du ønsker å klage på, ta gjerne kontakt med Kripos for informasjon, de kan lede deg til rett klageinstans.
    Kripos
    Telefon: 23 20 80 00
    e-post: kripos@politiet.no
    Besøksadresse: Brynsalléen 6, 0667 Oslo
    Postadresse: Postboks 8163 Dep, 0034 Oslo

    Politidirektoratet (POD)
    Postadresse : Postboks 8051 Dep
    0031 Oslo
    Telefon : 23 36 41 00
    Telefaks : 23 36 42 96
    Nettsted : www.politi.no

    E-post : politidirektoratet@politiet.no

    Engelsk navn : National Police Directorate

    Med vennlig hilsen

    Norge.no – din vegviser i det offentlige
    Tlf: 800 30 300.
    E-post: info@norge.no.
    SMS: Send INFO til 1980.
    Nettprat: www.norge.no/opplysningstjenesten/nettprat.asp.
    Publikumstjenesten vår er åpen mandag – fredag kl. 08.00 – 16.00.
    Du kan også ringe den døgnåpne taleportalen vår på tlf.nr 800 30 301.
    På nettsidene våre, www.norge.no, finner du offentlig informasjon og opplysninger om offentlege etater.

    E-mail from the Information Manager of Kripos on 13/6. (In Norwegian):

    from Audun Hinna Øvrebø hide details Jun 13
    to Erik Ribsskog
    date Jun 13, 2007 10:07 PM
    subject SV: Påminnelse
    mailed-by politiet.no
    Hei.
    Vi har mottatt en henvendelse fra Spesialenheten for politisaker hvor vi bes redegjøre for den kontakt vi har hatt med deg. Bakgrunnen er din klage til spesialenheten om det samme. Vi arbeider nå med svaret til spesialenheten, og jeg mener det i denne situasjonen vil være feil å parallelt svare deg på en type spørsmål som vi kan regne med å få fra dem.

    Jeg håper du derfor har forståelse for at du ikke får svar på de spørsmålene du her ber om.

    Mvh
    Audun Øvrebø
    Informasjonssjef
    —–Opprinnelig melding—–
    Fra: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]
    Sendt: 10. juni 2007 21:49
    Til: Audun Hinna Øvrebø
    Emne: Re: Påminnelse

    E-mail sent to the Information Manager of Kripos on 10/6. (In Norwegian):
    from Erik Ribsskog hide details Jun 10
    to Audun Hinna Øvrebø
    date Jun 10, 2007 8:49 PM
    subject Re: Påminnelse
    mailed-by gmail.com
    Hei,

    viser til den forrige e-posten jeg sendte (29/5), om at jeg skulle sende noen spørsmål angående
    mailen din innen utgangen av denne uken.

    Beklager at det har tatt litt tid!

    Det jeg lurte på var:

    1. Da vi pratet sammen på telefon i april (12/4), så sa du jo at hvis det var saker som:

    A). Var alvorlige.
    B). Som hadde foregått også i utlandet.
    C). Som hadde foregått i flere fylker.

    Du sa at i slike saker, så kunne Kripos etterforske på eget initiativ.

    Så skriver du i e-posten din at etterforskerne på Kripos sier at dette er
    en sak som må etterforskes i fylket du er hjemmehørende.

    Nå bor jeg jo i England da, men likevel:

    For å oppsummere, så mener jeg at denne saken det er snakk om burde
    oppfylle alle de betingelsene A, B og C.

    A: Det er klart for meg at det er en alvorlig sak, sånn som jeg forstår det så
    var det hensikten deres å ta livet av meg den dagen de kom etter meg med
    hunder osv. på gården til dama til onkelen min i Kvelde (25. juli 2005).

    Også i forbindelse med episoder før og etter dette, har det vært episoder
    hvor det er helt klart for meg at her er det noen som er ute etter å ta
    livet av meg.

    Så jeg synes nok dette burde kunne karakterises som alvorlig, så punkt
    A skulle vel være dekket i følge de kriteriene du nevnte.

    B: Dette har jo foregått i Norge, England, Holland, Frankrike, Tyskland,
    Belgia, Danmark, Finland, Skottland (og USA), og jeg har hvert i kontakt
    med politiet i Frankrike, Norge, Holland og England angående dette.

    Så punkt B skulle vel også være dekket i følge kriteriene.

    C. I Norge så har det foregått i Oslo og Larvik/Kvelde i Vestfold.

    Så punkt C skulle vel også være dekket i følge kriteriene.

    Så mitt spørsmål blir da:

    Spm. 1: Når punkt A, B og C er oppfylt, (dvs. kriteriene du nevnte for at en sak
    kan etterforskes av Kripos). Hva var da grunnen til at etterforskerne på Kripos
    sier at dette er en sak som må etterforskes av politiet i fylket jeg bor i?

    2. Du skriver at etterforskerne på Kripos sier at denne saken må etterforskes av
    politiet i fylke jeg er hjemmehørende i. Men når det gjelder en avgjørelser som dette,
    (Om det skal igangsettes etterforskning fra Kripos eller ikke), så må det vel være en
    person som har hovedansvaret for å ta slike avgjørelser, så da lurte jeg på:

    Spm. 2: Hvem var det som tok avgjørelsen om at saken ikke skulle etterforskes
    av Kripos?

    3. I e-posten jeg sendte deg 12/4, så skrev jeg om at Den norske ambasaden i London,
    nevnte for meg at hvis jeg ønsket at politiet i Norge og England skulle samarbeide, så
    måtte jeg selv si det til politiet.

    I e-posten jeg sendte deg 12/4, så nevnte jeg det for deg, at jeg ønsket jeg syntes det
    hørtes fornuftig ut, og at jeg derfor ønsket at politiet i Norge og England skulle samarbeide
    om denne saken.

    (Så for å være sikker på at dette har kommet frem til de riktige personene, så tenkte
    jeg at jeg kunne ta med dette spørsmålet nå samtidig:)

    Spm. 3: Er de ansvarlige i Kripos klar over at jeg ønsker at politiet i Norge og
    England skal samarbeide om denne saken?

    4. En annen ting er at jeg i e-postene jeg sendte til Kripos i februar 2006, (og som du ba
    meg sende deg kopier av 12/4), så gikk jeg ikke i detalj angående alt som har skjedd
    i saken.

    Men siden det er skjedd ganske mye, så valgte jeg å skrive en oppsumering over det
    som hadde skjedd til da.

    Men det er jo skjedd mye etter dette også, det er vel på en måte hvertfall fem forskjellige
    deler.

    A: Ting som skjedde i forbindelse med jobb i Norge.
    B: Ting som skjedde utenom jobb i Norge.
    C: Ting som skjedde i forbindelse med jobb i England.
    D: Ting som skjedde utenom jobb i England (og som fortsatt foregår).
    E: Ting som har skjedd i andre land. (Frankrike, Nederland, Belgia, Tyskland osv.)

    Og blant disse, så er det jo bare A, B og C som er forklart (i e-postene jeg sendte
    deg 12/4 og 14/4).

    Og jeg vet jo ikke om de ansvarlige på Kripos har sett e-posten og vedleggene jeg
    sendte deg angående del A, B og C.

    Spm. 4.1: Burde ikke Kripos ha spurt meg noen spørsmål om hva som har skjedd i
    forbindelse med del D og E, som jeg ikke har sendt noe forklaring/oppsumering
    om. (Før de tok en avgjørelse om de skulle etterforske saken eller ikke).

    Spm. 4.2: Har de ansvarlige på Kripos lest e-postene (og vedleggene) jeg sendte deg
    12/4 og 14/4, (før de tok avgjørelsen om å ikke etterforske)?

    5. Jeg har prøvd å høre med ambasaden bl.a., om at jeg skulle gjerne vist hvem jeg
    kunne kontakte i forbindelse med denne saken, for å få råd og informasjon som er
    relevant (og kompetent), for å prøve å finne ut hva det er som egentlig foregår.

    Jeg har prøvd å lese en del på netter og i aviser osv. om org. kriminalitet, eller mafia
    som jeg overhørte at folk kalte dem da jeg jobbet på Rimi på Bjørndal, men jeg
    klarer ikke finne ut så veldig mye relevant om hva det er som egentlig foregår.

    Så jeg lurte på:

    Spm. 5.1: Hvem kan jeg kontakte for å få relevant og kompetent informasjon om
    hva det er som egentlig foregår, i forbindelse med at jeg har fått mafia, (som de
    kalte det på Bjørndal i Oslo), etter meg?

    Spm. 5.2: Hvem kan jeg kontakte for å få råd om hva som er lurt å gjøre når man
    havner i slike situasjoner, og blir forfulgt av mafia (som de kalte det på Bjørndal)?

    6. Det virker helt klart for meg at familie og venner av meg (eller som i hvertfall tidligere var
    venner), på en eller annen måte er influert av disse kriminelle som de på Bjørndal kalte
    mafia.

    Etter å ha snakket med venner og familie på telefon etter at jeg dro til England, så har noen
    samtaler vært så rare/bemerkelsesverdige at det er helt klart for meg at noe er galt, og jeg
    mistenker at disse venner og familie muligens har havnet i en trussel-situasjon, hvor de blir
    truet til å samarbeide av kriminelle.

    Det er klart for meg ut i fra telefonsamtalene at noe er galt.

    Spm. 6: Hva burde jeg gjøre hvis jeg mistenker at familie og venner kan være satt
    i en trusselsituasjon av kriminelle, (de som jeg hørte ble kalt mafia når jeg jobbet
    på Rimi Bjørndal)?

    Dette er spørsmål som det hadde vært bra å finne en løsning på, så jeg håper du har
    mulighet til å hjelpe meg å svare på dette.

    Beklager at spørsmålene ble litt forsinket, (pga. av mye jobb osv. i det siste), men jeg håper
    du har muligheten til å se over dette likevel.

    På forhånd takk for hjelpen og med vennlig hilsen,

    Erik Ribsskog

    On 5/22/07, Audun Hinna Øvrebø wrote:
    – Hide quoted text –
    Hei
    Nå har jeg sjekket med etterforskerne her på Kripos, og de sier at dette er en sak som evnt må etterforskes av politiet i det fylket du er hjemmehørende. I din situasjon blir det da politiet i Vestfold (men Oslopolitiet er jo også et alternativ etter hva jeg kan se av det du har sendt meg.) Kripos vil med andre ord ikke åpne etterforskning i denne saken.

    Beklager et svar du sannsynligvis ikke håpet på, men det er den avgjørelsen som er tatt her.

    mvh
    Audun Øvrebø
    Informasjonssjef
    —–Opprinnelig melding—–
    Fra: Erik Ribsskog [mailto: eribsskog@gmail.com]
    Sendt: 21. mai 2007 17:16
    Til: Audun Hinna Øvrebø
    Emne: Påminnelse
    Hei,

    viser til epost sendt i uke 17 og telefonsamtale i uke 19, og sender en
    påminnelse om at jeg ikke har mottatt noen tilbakemelding ennå på
    e-poster sendt i uke 15.

    Mvh. Erik Ribsskog

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    Thursday, 30 August 2007
    E-mail from the Assistant Ombudsman on 30/8.
    st3 york hide details 11:44 am (1 hour ago)
    to Erik Ribsskog
    date Aug 30, 2007 11:44 AM
    subject complaint
    Dear Mr Ribsskog
    Thank you for your email this morning.
    I am sorry but I have nothing further to add to what has already been said.
    This complaint is now a matter between you and the Council. Your enquiries should be addressed to them.
    The LGO will not communicate further with you on this, so please stop emailing us.
    Rosemary Agnew
    Assistant Ombudsman
    Commission for Local Administration in England
    Beverley House
    17 Shipton Road
    YORK. YO30 5FZ
    Tel: 01904 380206
    Fax: 01904 380200
    www.lgo.org.uk
    NOTICE – This message contains information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you have received this message in error please advise us at once and do not make any use of the information.

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    E-mail to the Assistant Ombudsman on 29/8.
    This e-mail is an answer to the e-mail from the Assistant Ombudsman on 29/8.

    from

    Erik Ribsskog

    hide details
    6:54 pm (6 hours ago)

    to

    st3 york

    date

    Aug 29, 2007 6:54 PM

    subject

    Re: Complaint about Liverpool City Council

    mailed-by

    gmail.com

    Hi,

    thank you very much for your e-mail!

    There are still some things that I’m not that sure about regarding the LGO complaint-
    procedure, so if it’s alright then I’ll try to explain.

    I hope you have the chance to be patient with me regarding this, since I’m not so used
    to dealing with complaints like this.

    1. You made a complaint to us on 5 August 2007 by email. The complaint was the one you sent to Linda Lennon on 08 June 2007 about women/girls in the men’s changing rooms during opening hours.
    Well, Linda Lennon answered my complaint from 8/6, two or three weeks later. She told me to contact Richard Little at the gym
    about these issues. It was this complaint, from 12/7, that I sent you on 5/8, and I complained to you since the Council hadn’t
    answered it.

    Question A: It’s right that it is the complaint from 12/7 we are dealing with isn’t it? Since I seem to remember clearly that it
    was the complaint from 12/7 that I sent you on 5/8.

    2. Under UK Law, Section 26(5) of the Local Government Act 1974 the Ombudsman must give the Council an opportunity to investigate and resolve the complaint for itself. We felt the Council had not had sufficient opportunity so on this basis we sent it to the Council on 07 August 2007 and wrote and told you we had done that.

    Well, like I’ve written earlier, I sent the Council the complaint on 12/7, and they used more than four weeks before they
    replied. (On 10/8, after they had been contacted by you).

    Question B: On 7/8, the Council had had almost four weeks to answer the complaint, shouldn’t that be sufficient time?

    3.Every Council has its own complaint process. You will find Liverpool City Council’s on its web site at http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/Feedback/Complaints/index.asp.
    Yes, I was refering to this complanit-process in the e-mail I sent you on 5/8. It was also from that web-page, that I first
    read about the LGO.

    On the webpage in the link it says about the Council complaint-process: ‘Step one: Deal with your complaint within two weeks.’.

    The Council clearly didn’t do this.

    4. Before the Ombudsman investigates a complaint, she expects you to have exhausted the Council’s complaint procedure. Until you have done that, we will not investigate.

    I’m not really sure where exactly the process is in the complain-procedure.

    The Council sent me an e-mail on 10/8, where they wrote: ‘Thank you for sending us your comments dated 6th August 2007’.

    I have not sent the Council any comments like this. (I sent the Council a complaint on 12/7).

    It is these comments that the Council are dealing with.

    It’s really not possible for me to know exactly what the Council are refering to when they are dealing with some comments
    from 6/8, which I haven’t sent them.
    So I don’t think it can be expected of me to exhaust the Council’s complaint procedure, when it’s not the right case that
    is being put through it.
    For me to be expected to exhaust the Council’s complaint procedure, I think it should be the complaint I sent the Council
    on 12/7 that should be put through the complaint-procedure.

    And this procedure started on 12/7, and the Council should have dealt with it within two weeks witch they didn’t.

    So what exactly is going on now, I’m not really sure about.

    Question C: Shouldn’t the Council deal with the complaint I sent them on 12/7?

    Question D: Do you agree with me that the Council breached the Council complaint procedure, when they didn’t
    reply to my complaint within two weeks?

    Question E: When the Council breach their own complaint-procedure, (like they did with the complaint I sent them
    on 12/7, when they didn’t reply at all until after more than four weeks, after they had been contacted by the LGO),
    shouldn’t this be reason for the LGO to investigate?

    5.The Council wrote to you on 10 August 2007 advising you to tell it if you were not happy with the content of its letter so that your complaint could be escalated to the next stage of its complaint procedure.

    Yes, and I wrote an e-mail back were I expressed many things I weren’t happy with, and at the end of the e-mail I wrote:
    ‘Hope that this is alright, and please tell me if there is anything else I need to take into concern, to get my answer in line with your complaint-procedure.’.

    But in the next e-mail the only answer I got was:

    ‘I am sorry but I am having difficulty understanding exactly what you are asking for. Rather than exchange lengthy e-mails I would suggest discussing over the telephone or meeting when you next use Lifestyles would be most beneficial.’.

    Even if Lesley Southern from the Council wrote this on 3/7:
    ‘Your account has now been set to expired and no payment was requested in July.’.

    So it should be clear to them that I’m not a user of Lifestyles any longer.
    And I also wrote in the answer that I wanted the complaint to be dealt with in public, since I myself had brought these issues
    up on a public message board, and I thought that these issues were issues that concerned all the people paying Council-tax,
    and who are using the gym.

    So I wanted the Council to answer my complaint from 12/7 in writing and in public, since the complaint I sent to them on
    12/7, was in writing and I had made it public, by puting it on the message-board.

    But, I also wrote in the answer, a question if they didn’t look at my complaint from 12/7 as an offical complaint.
    I think it’s right to take first things first.
    I think first it should be explained to me which complaint it is that the Council are dealing with, because I wasn’t sure,
    and I’m still not sure, about what the Council means with ”Thank you for sending us your comments dated 6th August 2007′,
    since I didn’t send them any comments or letters or any correspondence on this date.

    It could be that what they are refering to something they were sent by you. And that they had misunderstod, and thought
    that some letter/correspondence they recieved from the LGO on 6/8 was actually sent them by me.

    But it¨s of course impossible for me to know what you the LGO has sent to the Council. It could be a letter with only
    excerps of the complaint from 12/7, I’m not really sure what you sent the Council?

    Question F: It’s maybe not my business, but to try to get this clear, have you sent the Council my complaint from 12/7?

    My point is, that how am I supposed to escalate something I don’t understand what is? I wasn’t sure if they were refering
    to my complaint from 12/7 at all, because they didn’t mention the 12/7 complaint. They were only refering to these comments
    from 6/8, which could be anything as far I know. They must have mixed it up, and I wanted to make sure that it was the
    complaint from 12/7 that was being dealt with, and not some comments only containting an excerpt of the 12/7 complaint,
    or containing something totally different for all that I knew/know.

    So thats why I thought it would make sence to first try to find out if it was the 12/7 complaint that was being dealt with.
    But this I haven’t found out about yet, and now the Council wants to meet at the gym the next time I’m there to discuss
    the comments from 6/8, which they think I’ve sent them, but I haven’t. And which I don’t know what’s about.
    And they want to meet me next time I go to the gym, even if they sent me an e-mail a couple of months ago, telling
    me that my subscription is finished.

    I think it first should be made clear if it is the complaint from 12/7, that is being dealt with or not.

    I don’t think it’s fair to ask me to go the gym to discuss something I don’t know what is.

    So what I’m wondering about, is:

    Question G: How do you think I should go forward, to get a process started, surrounding my complaint from 12/7,
    (the complaint I sent the LGO on 5/8)?

    6.I understand that since then the Council has also offered to meet you to discuss your complaint.
    Like I wrote above, the Council has offered to meet me to discuss some comments from 6/8, which they say I’ve
    sent them, but which I haven’t. And this does not mean that they have offered to meet me to discuss my complaint
    (from 12/7), this means they have offered to meet me to discuss something which it hasn’t been expained to me
    what is.

    And I’m still waiting for their answer, if they look at my complaint from 12/7 as an official complaint or not.

    And then it should make more sense to go on with the process.
    But I also think it should be clear from my e-mail from 10/8, that I wanted to escalate, but then I only got an e-mail
    back saying that he didn’t understand what I meant. So he wanted to meet at the gym next time I was there, to
    discuss this.
    And thats why I think that the process is out of hand. He asks me to discuss this the next time I’m going to the
    gym (which I’m no longer going to), and the process is not dealing with the complaint I sent on 12/7.

    So there seems to be some misunderstandings involved here.
    But, I’m not sure how I should go forward to try to clear this up, because the Council don’t seem to understand what
    I’m writing to them.
    They say ‘I am having difficulty understanding exactly what you are asking for’ and ‘Rather than exchange lengthy e-mails’.

    So I’m not sure how I should go forward to clear up the misunderstandings regarding that I’m not a member at the gym
    any longer, and that they aren’t dealing with the right complaint.

    And also how I should explain to them that I want this to be dealt with in public.

    Since they don’t seem to understand e-mails, and I on my side, would like to have the process documented, since
    I’ve started to document it, and I would prefer to have the comunication on e-mail for the sake of keeping the process
    documented. (To try to contribute to do my part on making sure that these problems are being dealt with responsibly,
    with that I mean that they are brought up in public, since it concerns the people paying their Council-tax, and it has
    already been brought into public from before).
    Question H: Do you think it is unreasonable of me to want to have the comunication in writing, when I’m not longer
    a member at the gym, and I also want to keep the process surrounding this well documented?

    I’m sorry if used many words to try to tell what I mean, but I hope you understand what I mean with the questions.

    I’m not so used with dealing with these things, so I thought it would be best to ask precise questions, so maybe
    I will learn a bit more on how this is.

    Also, while I remember it:

    When I sent you the comlaint by web-form message on 5/8, then I forgot to take a back-up of the message I sent
    you.

    You don’t think it would be possible, just so that I have all the documents, (like I wrote earlier I wanted to try have
    the process quite documented, and I’ve made the complaint from 12/7, and some of the correspondence regarding
    the complaint public on the internet, so I thought it would be benefical for the total overview to have copies of all
    the correspondence available.
    Question I: So thats why I was wondering if you think it would be possible for me to recieve a copy of the web-form
    message I sent you on 5/8, in an e-mail maybe, if you think thats possible, just to keep as much of the corresondence
    documented as possible?

    Hope that this is alright, and sorry if I’m asking many questions! (It’s very fine of you to be so patient with me who
    isn’t used to dealing that much with complaints and things like this).

    Thank you very much for your help in advance!

    Yours sincerely,
    Erik Ribsskog
    – Show quoted text –

    On 8/29/07, st3 york <st3york@lgo.org.uk> wrote:

    Rosemary Agnew
    Assistant Ombudsman
    Commission for Local Administration in England
    Beverley House
    17 Shipton Road
    YORK. YO30 5FZ

    Tel: 01904 380206
    Fax: 01904 380200
    www.lgo.org.uk
    NOTICE – This message contains information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you have received this message in error please advise us at once and do not make any use of the information.

    Posted by johncons at 2:14 AM BST Updated: Thursday, 30 August 2007 3:08 AM BST Post Comment Permalink Share This Post
    E-mail from the Assistant Ombudsman on 29/8.
    After sending the e-mail to the Deputy Ombudsman on 22/8, I recieved this e-mail from the Assitant Ombudsman on 29/8:

    st3 york

    hide details
    Aug 29 (14 hours ago)

    to
    Erik Ribsskog

    date

    Aug 29, 2007 11:09 AM

    subject

    Complaint about Liverpool City Council

    Rosemary Agnew
    Assistant Ombudsman
    Commission for Local Administration in England
    Beverley House
    17 Shipton Road
    YORK. YO30 5FZ

    Tel: 01904 380206
    Fax: 01904 380200
    http://www.lgo.org.uk/

    NOTICE – This message contains information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you have received this message in error please advise us at once and do not make any use of the information.

    Ribsskog 07c06289 letter3.doc85K View as HTML Open as a Google document Download
    29 August 2007

    BY EMAIL to eribsskog@gmail.com

    Mr E Ribsskog
    Flat 3
    Leather Lane
    Liverpool
    L2 2AE

    Our Ref: 07/C/06289/RA/25(5)
    (Please quote our reference when contacting us. If emailing please quote it in the subject title)

    If telephoning contact: Rosemary Agnew on 01904 380 201
    If e-mailing contact: st3york@lgo.org.uk

    Dear Mr Ribsskog

    Complaint about Liverpool City Council

    Thank you for your email. Your email seems predominantly to be about process and what the Council is doing.

    I am sorry but I cannot advise you specifically on the Council’s actions, all I can do is reiterate what I have already told you.
    You made a complaint to us on 5 August 2007 by email. The complaint was the one you sent to Linda Lennon on 08 June 2007 about women/girls in the men’s changing rooms during opening hours.
    Under UK Law, Section 26(5) of the Local Government Act 1974 the Ombudsman must give the Council an opportunity to investigate and resolve the complaint for itself. We felt the Council had not had sufficient opportunity so on this basis we sent it to the Council on 07 August 2007 and wrote and told you we had done that.
    Every Council has its own complaint process. You will find Liverpool City Council’s on its web site at http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/Feedback/Complaints/index.asp.
    Before the Ombudsman investigates a complaint, she expects you to have exhausted the Council’s complaint procedure. Until you have done that, we will not investigate.
    The Council wrote to you on 10 August 2007 advising you to tell it if you were not happy with the content of its letter so that your complaint could be escalated to the next stage of its complaint procedure.
    I understand that since then the Council has also offered to meet you to discuss your complaint.

    As far as the Ombudsman is concerned your complaint is closed and is currently a matter between you and the Council. It is up to you whether you take up the offer to meet with them but currently the onus lies with you to contact the Council.

    You have asked if the matter can be ‘sorted out’ and the answer to that is yes, but it is up to you to contact the Council (Mr Steve Kneale) to discuss how this might be done.

    I hope this answers your question about process. If you have further questions about the Council’s process they should be addressed to the Council. I have copied the Council into this letter so it is aware of the situation.

    Yours sincerely

    Rosemary Agnew
    Assistant Ombudsman

    CC: Liverpool City Council

    Answer.
    Posted by johncons at 1:32 AM BST Updated: Thursday, 30 August 2007 3:17 AM BST Post Comment Permalink Share This Post
    E-mail to the Deputy Ombudsman on 22/8.
    Like I’m explaining in this entry, there were still a few things I was wondering about regarding how the complaint from 12/7 was being dealt with.
    But I read on the LGO website, under “How to complain about us”, it says that one can: ‘ask for your complaint to be referred to the Deputy Ombudsman of the office you have been dealing with’.
    So, on 22/8, I tried sending the Deputy Ombudsman an e-mail to try to maybe get some advice on the things I was wondering about:

    from
    Erik Ribsskog

    hide details
    Aug 22

    to
    custserv.york@lgo.org.uk

    date

    Aug 22, 2007 8:09 PM

    subject

    Complaint

    mailed-by

    gmail.com

    Hi,
    I sent the Liverpool City Council a complaint about the local gym at 12/7.
    I sent the LGO a complaint about the Liverpool City Council earlier this month. (5/8).
    The LGO sent me an answer, where they wrote that they had sent the Council a
    copy of my complaint, for them to put it through their complaint-procedure.
    (The case-number is: 07/c/06289/RA/ch).
    I’ve got two e-mails from the Council after that, and it has arised several problems
    with the procedure.
    I’ve brought up some of these problems with the LGO case-worker, since I think
    the process is a bit out of control.
    But, last week, I got an e-mail from the LGO case-worker saying that she wouldn’t
    send me any more answer to my enquieries.
    I haven’t been living in Britain that long, so I’m sometimes a bit clumsy in my corresponance,
    and I have also been having much work and other things to do lately, so it’s likely that this
    has reflected on my correspondence.
    But I’ve not intended to be inpolite in any way, I’m afraid that the case-worker maybe thinks
    that I have been impolite, but then I appologise, I have not meant to be impolite at all!
    So sorry about this!
    But I have still got some questions about the process.
    (it’s a bit unclear to me if the Council are actually dealing with my complaint from 12/7 or not,
    and I’ve tryed to ask the Council if they are regarding my complaint from 12/7 as an offical
    complaint or not (that is if they are actually dealing with this complaint, since it doesn’t seem
    that way to me), but they haven’t answered me on this.
    And I think it’s a bit tricky for me to contibute in a meaningful way to the process, if it’s not
    clear to me which case it is that we are dealing with.
    So I was trying to bring this up with the Ombudsman, if they could help me with finding out
    exactly which case it is, that the Council are dealing with.
    And then, after this has been made clear, then I think it would be easier for me to contribute
    to the process in a meaningful way.)
    So I’ve brought this up with the case-worker, but she isn’t replying to my e-mails any more.
    And I read one of your folders, and it said that I could try to contact the case-worker to
    then get to speak with the case-worker line-manager.
    But I’m not sure if I should contact the case-worker when she isn’t answering my e-mails.
    I’m afraid that I could have unintentionaly been impolite to her, and that this is the reason
    that she’s not replying, and this makes me unsure if I should contact her at all, like if
    I should contact her to ask if I could speak with her line-manager, like it says in your
    folder.
    So the reason I’m sending this e-mail, is that I was wondering if it would be possible for
    you to give me some advice on how I should go forward with this, to appologice to
    the case-worker, and how you think I should go foward if I wanted to find out about
    the things I’m unsure about regarding the process.
    Also I have some other questions that I have wondering about, like which complaint it
    was that was sent to the Council, (the one from 12/7 or the one from 5/8), and also
    some other questions, so I think it would be very fine if it would be possible for me to
    get some advice on these questions I’ve been mentioning, and also some other questions
    I was wondering about.
    So I hope very much that it’s possible to sort this out!
    Please just tell me if you want me to forward you any of the correspondence that has been
    sent regarding this!
    Yours Sincerely,
    Erik Ribsskog

    Answer from the Assistant Ombudsman
    Posted by johncons at 12:29 AM BST Updated: Thursday, 30 August 2007 1:55 AM BST Post Comment Permalink Share This Post
    Friday, 17 August 2007
    More on mystery.
    In the last entry, a mystery occured. On the Local Government Ombudsman website, it says that the address-field is requiered. Yet in an e-mail I got from the Ombudsman on 5/8 (its pasted in the first part of this entry), it says ‘Thank you for your complaint. Could you please let me have your address as this was not on your correspondence.’.
    I didn’t want to try to send the Ombudsman a new message, just to check if an address really is required. (To find out if the reason for the mystery is a technial error with the ‘address’-field).
    This because I’ve already had quite a lot of correspondence, with the Ombudsman, so I wouldn’t want to send some spam messages to them, since it seems like they’ve already had enought of my correspondence. (They write: ‘Dear Mr Ribsskog, this is the last email I will send you on this subject.’, so I think I that any new correspondence I should send them would have to thorowly considered first, and I don’t think I should send them anything that resembles spam).
    So that option is ruled out.
    However, when I swithced to my new bank, some months back, I sent them some complaints from a webform. (I wont mention the name of the bank, since this is still being dealt with by another Ombudsman).
    But anyway, I didn’t recieve any answer to the first message I sent from their webform.
    And later, the bank has been unable to locate this webform message.
    So thats why I’ve written a bit about webforms in the last entries on the blog, because I have been having problems with these from before.
    So, when I sent the Local Government Ombudsman the complaint about the Council on 5/8, then I took a screen-shot of the complaint. (Just to have some documentation, since I tryed to learn from the earlier problems with the missing message, then I at least had a screen-shot, to show I had sent a comlaint, just in case).
    I was a bit stressed when I sent the complaint on 5/8, I had work to do, so I didn’t remeber to take a screen-shot of the form itself.
    But I managed to take a screen-shot of the confirmation screen. That confirmes that the complaint has been sent.
    I’ve tryed to upload the file with the screenshot in it to this (Edit: 150907 http://johncons.angelfire.com/council_ombudsman.rtf)

    I’m a bit new to this site, but I’m going to test to see if it works, and I’m going to look a bit more to see if it can lead to solving the mystery.
    Posted by johncons at 8:28 PM BST Post Comment Permalink Share This Post
    More about webforms.
    I’m not having a go at the Local Government Ombudsman here, but at the webforms in general:
    For example, the Local Government Ombudsman webform.
    It has a field called ‘Email’. So I was thinking, when one has already got a field called email, and
    the person sending the form, often or sometimes ends up without a copy of the correspondence,
    since it can sometimes be a bit tricky to take a back-up of the form.
    Then I was thinking, couldn’t there be like a box on these webforms, at least the webforms that
    has got an email-field.
    A box one could tick if one wanted a receipt.
    Then the webform-program could just send you a recept to your e-mail address. Easy and it should
    be simple to program.
    And as far as I know it’s also free to send e-mails, so it wouldn’t cost the organisation very much,
    and I think a function like this, would reduce the confusion for the people who are sending webform-
    messages, who when they recieve a reply to their message, maybe a couple of weeks later, have
    forgotten a bit of what they wrote.
    Unless there is some smart way to take backup of these webforms, that I haven’t understood yet.

    Also on this form I can see that it says that Address is required. This makes it a bit of a mystery
    to me that I was sent the e-mail from the Local Government Ombudsman on 6/8, saying: ‘Thank you for your complaint.
    Could you please let me have your address as this was not on your correspondence.’.
    But like with most mysteries there is often an explanation. It was probably a technical error somewhere. I am not
    going to try to send a new message to the Ombudsman, without the address on it, just to check if it’s possible to send.

    (This entry is further to the first half of this entry: http://johncons.angelfire.com/blog/index.blog/1286207/email-sent-to-the-local-government-ombudsman-on-138/.)
    More on mystery
    Posted by johncons at 4:26 AM BST Updated: Friday, 17 August 2007 9:21 PM BST Post Comment Permalink Share This Post
    E-mail sent to the Local Government Ombudsman on 13/8.
    This e-mail should be linked to from this entry: http://johncons.angelfire.com/blog/index.blog/1286016/correspondence-with-the-local-government-ombudsman-from-158/

    Update from 17/8:
    In the e-mail in this entry, I’m refering to the e-mail I was sending the Local Government ombudsman on 5/8. Actually, it wasn’t a regular e-mail I sent them, I sent them an enquery from the web-form on their website (http://www.lgo.org.uk/reqinfo.htm). But I’m not sure how one should refer to a message like that, it seems propable to me that there is another term for this type of message, like web-form message, or something like that, but the Ombudsman itself refers to it as an e-mail both on their website and in confirmation postcard I recieved from them in the post on Thursday last week. The thing is that if you forget to print the form, or save the form, before you send it, then you don’t have a copy of what you wrote, and on 5/8, I was writing the message in a break from work, so I unfortunatly didn’t remember to take a back-up.
    I’m not really sure what the best way to take back-ups of webforms like that is, but I think that maybe if websites also wrote a general enquiery email-address on their websites, then people would have an alternative to sending the comlaint by post or webform, I mean if one are a bit in a hurry, and also if one wants to keep a copy of what one have written in a convenient way, then a general enquiery e-mail address is a good solution, I think, but it could be that it’s possible to contact eg. the Ombudsman and ask them if they could send you a copy of your enquiry, so thats is another possible way to get to remember what you have written if you have forgotten to take a back-up.
    I must have been a bit stressed on 5/8, because on the next day, I received this e-mail:

    from
    st3 york

    hide details
    Aug 6

    to
    eribsskog@gmail.com

    date

    Aug 6, 2007 9:49 AM

    subject

    Complaint against Liverpool City Council

    Dear Mr Ribsskog

    Thank you for your complaint. Could you please let me have your address as this was not on your correspondence.

    Look forward to hearing from you.

    Carol Harvey
    Team Secretary
    Commission for Local Administration in England
    Tel 01904 380219
    Website: www.lgo.org.uk

    NOTICE – This message contains information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you have received this message in error please advise us at once and do not make any use of the information.

    Here they call the webform message ‘correspondance’. But the information between these horisontal lines are mostly curiosities, but I have to remeber to try to find out if there is another term, other than ‘e-mail’, that should be used for webform-messages, since I think that it could possibly sometimes cause confusion to refer to both e-mails and webform-messages as ‘e-mails’.

    from
    Erik Ribsskog

    hide details
    Aug 13 (4 days ago)

    to
    st3york@lgo.org.uk

    date

    Aug 13, 2007 4:41 PM

    subject

    07/c/06289/RA/ch/Fwd: Lifestyles Liverpool complaint.

    mailed-by

    gmail.com

    Hi,
    I’m not sure if I think my complaint is being dealt with seriously, I don’t really
    understand how it can be that the Council finds it difficult to understand my
    e-mail from 10/8, and why they can’t answer it.
    Im not sure at the moment if the complaint is being dealt with accordingly to
    the Council complaint-procedure, so I’m going to try to update myself more
    on what the complaint-procedure says.
    Also, I have some more questions regarding the e-mail I sent to you on 5/8, and
    also the procedure surrounding that.
    I thought I’d just update you at once, and then contact you again, later this week,
    when I’ve had the chance to update a bit on the complaint procedure.
    So if it’s alright, then I’m going to contact you again later this week, with some
    questions surrounding the complaint from 12/7, and the one from 5/8.
    Hope that this is alright!
    Please just tell me if there is any more information you want me to provide in the mean-time!
    Yours sincerely,
    Erik Ribsskog———- Forwarded message ———-From: Kneale, Steve <Steve.Kneale@liverpool.gov.uk >Date: Aug 13, 2007 9:41 AMSubject: RE: Lifestyles Liverpool complaint.To: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>Cc: “Braithwaite, Jolene” < Jolene.Braithwaite@liverpool.gov.uk>
    Sir,
    I am sorry but I am having difficulty understanding exactly what you are asking for. Rather than exchange lengthy e-mails I would suggest discussing over the telephone or meeting when you next use Lifestyles would be most beneficial.
    Regards
    Steve Kneale Sport & Recreation Service – Facility Operations Business Development Manager
    Office location: 1st Floor, Lifestyles Everton Park Great Homer Street Liverpool L5 5PH
    Tel: +44 (0)151 233 6362 Fax: +44 (0) 151 233 6300
    Web: http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/lifestyles
    Liverpool – European Capital of Culture 2008

    From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com] Sent: 10 August 2007 19:56 To: Kneale, SteveSubject: Re: Lifestyles Liverpool complaint.
    Hi,
    thank you very much for your answer.
    Like I was writing in the complaint to the ombudsman, I think that the council should maybe
    have answered the complaint in public, since I have brought this things up in public myself,
    since these are things that concern the other users of the gym, and the people who are paying
    tax to the council.
    Also, it would have been very fine if it also was explained why I wasn’t recieving any answer
    from the Duty Officer, and also why it is that it isn’t him who is answering the complaint.
    Also, I was wondering if my complaint to the Duty Officer isn’t being regarded as an official
    complaint?
    Also I think that all the points in the complaint should have been answered. Even if some of
    the points are brought up in another e-mail, I’m explaining about this in the complaint, and
    making it clear that I think it would have been fine to hear what the Duty Officer has to say
    about this, aswell as hearing what Lesley Southern had to say about this, since I haven’t
    really been explained what position in the Council he has, and also since all the points
    have been mentioned together when I’ve comented on the complaint in public, so then
    I think it would be most apropriate if all the points in the complaint were answered
    togheter aswell, even if some of the points also has been brought up in another context.
    Also I think it add to the general overviewabilty of the answer, if the original indexing
    from the complaint was kept.
    I haven’t comented on the indiviadual points from the answer here, I think it would be
    smartest to sort with the issues above first, and then deal with the individual complaints
    later, if you think this would be alright.
    Hope that this is alright, and please tell me if there is anything else I need to take into
    concern, to get my answer in line with your complaint-procedure.
    Yours sincerely,
    Erik Ribsskog

    On 8/10/07, Kneale, Steve <Steve.Kneale@liverpool.gov.uk > wrote:
    Sir,
    Please find attached a response to the matters pertaining to Lifestyles Fitness Centres and your recent complaint.
    Regards
    Steve Kneale Sport & Recreation Service – Facility Operations Business Development Manager
    Office location: 1st Floor, Lifestyles Everton Park Great Homer Street Liverpool L5 5PH
    Tel: +44 (0)151 233 6362 Fax: +44 (0) 151 233 6300
    Web: http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/lifestyles
    Liverpool – European Capital of Culture 2008
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    Posted by johncons at 2:26 AM BST Updated: Friday, 17 August 2007 3:24 AM BST Post Comment Permalink Share This Post
    E-mail sent to Lesley Southern from the Council on 31/7
    This e-mail should be commented on at the end of this entry: http://johncons.angelfire.com/blog/index.blog/1286137/email-sent-from-the-council-on-138/

    from
    Erik Ribsskog

    hide details
    Jul 31

    to
    “Southern, Lesley”

    date

    Jul 31, 2007 10:27 PM

    subject

    Re: Earlier e-mails

    mailed-by

    gmail.com

    Hi,
    like I wrote in the e-mail from 10/7, I would also contact the duty officer at the gym about these
    questions, which I did, I sent him an e-mail on 12/7, which I also forwarded to you.
    Since I last week still hadn’t recieved an answer to this e-mail, and since I think that the problems
    on the gym is something that also conserns the other users of the gym, and the people who are
    paying tax to the council (since the gym is run by the council), then I thought it was right to
    post on the Daily Mail debate internet site, especially since I thought I should have received an
    answer to the e-mail, and I reckoned that something could be wrong since I didn’t revieve an
    answer, (which I still haven’t recieved).
    So I’m still waiting for the answer from the duty officer, and since I have addressed some of the
    same problems in that e-mail, like in the one I sent you, then I think it might be best if I waited
    and heard what the duty officer on the gym have to say about the problems mentioned in the
    e-mail from 12/7, before I coment more on your e-mail from 25/7.
    Hope that this is alright!
    Yours sincerely,
    Erik Ribsskog

    – Hide quoted text –
    On 7/25/07, Southern, Lesley <Lesley.Southern@liverpool.gov.uk> wrote:
    Erik
    I apologise for not getting back to you earlier only I have been waiting to get the correct information from our Direct Debit Team.
    If a member misses a Direct Debit payment for whatever reason the sale is rejected in our system and automatically changed to a cash payment that is then requested over the counter on the member’s next visit so it is not included in the following months Direct Debit run.
    What happened in your case was that this unpaid sale from January was not changed to a Cash payment and was left on the system as an unpaid Direct Debit (DD) sale.
    The Direct Debit collection run that happened in June was told to pick up all due DD payments; therefore this missed payment was included.
    Your bank then rejected the second payment and it went back onto the system as an unpaid DD sale again and was not picked up in any rejection report as that only looks for the previous months unpaid DD sales and this one was for January 07.
    Then the whole process was repeated again in July, before we stopped the payments and voided all of your unpaid sales , and that is why 2 payments were waiting to come out of your account in July.
    All Millennium users should have got July free unfortunately you were not included in this report as you were in arrears on your account by 3 months for March 07, April 07 and May 07 and we unfortunately cannot give a member a free month if they have not made the last 3 months payments.
    In respect of the agreement you had with the gym for the outstanding arrears to be paid at a later date, the gym staff did not have the authority to agree to this and I will be looking into who agreed this with you as they did not pass this information on to us, looking at your attendance record you have actually had 26 visits to Lifestyles Millennium free of charge during the months of March, April and May as no Direct Debit payments have been received for these months.
    As your bank rejected your second payment in June then no cancellation fee has been paid.
    I can assure you that we do not have 2 direct debits set up in your name and that your bank details were only in our system once.
    In respect of your claim for a refund, we cannot refund a payment we have not received and we can also not refund a payment to a customer that has outstanding debt on their account.
    Your membership is now expired and no more payments will be requested from your account.
    I hope this clears up this matter and answers all your queries.
    Thanks
    Lesley Southern
    —–Original Message—–From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto: eribsskog@gmail.com ]
    Sent: 24 July 2007 10:01To:
    Southern, Lesley
    Subject: Fwd: Earlier e-mails

    Hi,
    I can’t see that I have recieved an answer to this e-mail yet, so I’m trying to forward it again.
    Hope that this is alright!
    Yours sincerely,
    Erik Ribsskog
    ———- Forwarded message ———-From: Erik Ribsskog < eribsskog@gmail.com> Date: Jul 10, 2007 6:18 PMSubject: Re: Earlier e-mails To: “Southern, Lesley” <Lesley.Southern@liverpool.gov.uk>
    Hi,
    thank you very much for your answer.
    I think it was very fine that you had the time to answer me, and I also think that it was very
    fine that you have taken off my arrears due to the amount of time/inconvinience I have had
    due to this.
    But since there were still some things I was wondering about, I thought I could try to send
    you an enquiery about this, to try to maybe found out about this.
    I’ve written an explanation below, as comments on your e-mail, since I thought it was easier
    to explain/answer this way.
    To summarize my questions:
    1. Shouldn’t the gym have asked me first if they wanted to withdraw an extra payment (that they
    had no mandate for) from my account in June?
    2. How come that there were still two payment-requests from the gym waiting to be withdrawn
    from my account on 27/6, when firstly, the gym only have a mandate to withdraw one monthly
    payment from my account. Secondly, I had agreed with the staff at the gym, that I would pay the
    arrears when I recieved the swith-bonus from the bank. And thirdly, I had sent Linda Lennon,
    Administration Manager at the Council an e-mail about this problem on 8/6, with a copy of the
    statement from the bank, showing that there was a problem with the gym charging me duplicate
    payments from my account for the month of June?
    3. How come that the gym still wanted to withdraw a (duplicate) payment from my account for the
    month of July, when the gym was closed for refurbishment for six weeks from 25/6?
    I’m also going to contact the Duty Officer at the gym regarding why the gyms members weren’t
    informed about the six weeks closure of the gym and more. So it might be that I’ll also ask him
    about some of the same questions. (Like about why the gym still wanted to charge me even
    if they were going to be closed etc.)
    I hope you have the time to answer me about this questions, since I thought some of these things
    were a bit strange, so it would be nice to be informed about this.
    So I hope that you bear over with me if I’m asking many questions!
    Thank you very much in advance!
    Yours sincerely,
    Erik Ribsskog

    On 7/3/07, Southern, Lesley < Lesley.Southern@liverpool.gov.uk > wrote:
    Erik
    Your enquiry regarding your direct debit payments has been passed onto myself for further investigation.
    Unfortunately we cannot refund a payment to a member that has outstanding arrears, this is for audit purposes as we are required to provide details of all miscellaneous payments made to our members.
    The action we have taken to date is to take your 1 month overpayment as your cancellation fee (which is normally 2 months) and we have taken your arrears off your membership record for the inconvenience caused as a result of the error.
    – Regarding the overpayment, it wasn’t actually an overpayment, because when the bank saw that it had been a
    process error/duplicate payment from the gym, then they transferred the duplicate payment back as a
    ‘interbranch payment’ on 6/6.
    (Secondly, I think that I shouldn’t recieve a cancellation fee, when the gym suddently closes for 6 weeks
    for refurbishment. I think that then the gym should have first sent its members a letter about this, put
    up a poster at the gym about this, and also not charged its members for the month that they are closed,
    but I have to contact the Duty Officer at the gym about something else, so I’ll bring this up with him.)
    I have checked the Direct Debit report and it seems that the overpayment dates back to a missed January payment which has been allocated to your account on 30 th May. I will need to speak to our Direct Debit team to determine why a payment for January has been included in June’s Direct Debit report.
    I’ve been speaking with the staff (including the Manager) at the gym several times about the arrears, and we agreed that I would
    pay the arrears later, when I recieved some money I was expecting (a switch-bonus from the bank).
    This was agreed with Craig at the gym, when we set up the direct-debit agreement in May.
    I spoke with Craig about this on 1/6 as well, since I hadn’t recieved the switch-bonus yet, and then I was informed
    that the arrear was £70.50, and we agreed that I would pay this when I recieved the money from the bank.
    So my point is, that they should have told me first if they wanted to withdraw an extra payment from my account
    on 1/6, so that I could have planned this in advance.
    Also, this (RBS) bank account was set up in May, so I don’t really understand how a missed direct-debit
    payment to my old (Barclays) account in Januray, could suddently appear on my RBS-account in June?
    It seems a bit strange to me that this could happen, when I also had agreed several times with the staff
    at the gym (in the month of March and then monthly), that I would pay the running bills, and that I’d pay the
    arrears when I recieved the switch-bonus from RBS.
    Also I had been told by the staff at the gym, that there was no hurry at all with the arrears, as long as I
    paid the running bills.
    – Also the bank told me when I called them in the beginning of June, that the gym wasn’t allowed to
    withdraw more than one payment a month from my account, since they only had one mandate.
    – Also, when I called the gym on 26/6, to ask if they were open on 26/6, (since they were closed for
    no apparent reason on 25/6), then I was told that the gym was closed for refurbishment for six weeks.
    I then thought that it wasn’t right that the gym should charge me for the month of July, when they were
    closed. (I also thought they should have informed the members about the six weeks closure). So due
    to this, I called my bank (the RBS customer-support line) on 27/6 to cancel the direct-debit.
    I was then told that there were still two direct-debits from the gym on my account, both with the same,
    reference-number (LIFE 800 1561).
    – So I was wondering, how come that there were still two payment-requests from the gym waiting to
    be withdrawn on my account on 27/6, when firstly, the gym only have a mandate to withdraw one
    monthly payment from my account. Secondly, I had agreed with the staff at the gym, that I would
    pay the arrears when I recieved the swith-bonus from the bank, and thirdly, I had sent Linda Lennon,
    Administration Manager at the Council an e-mail about this problem on 8/6, with a copy of the
    statement from the bank, showing that there was a problem with the gym charging me duplicate
    payments from my account?
    Your account has now been set to expired and no payment was requested in July.
    Well, there were actually two payments requested in July (see above).
    I hope this matter is now resolved and you are happy with the outcome.
    Lesley Southern
    —–Original Message—–From: Lennon, Linda Sent: 03 July 2007 08:41To: Southern, Lesley Subject: FW: Earlier e-mails
    From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto: eribsskog@gmail.com] Sent: 28 June 2007 16:36To: Lennon, LindaSubject: Re: Earlier e-mails
    Hi Linda,
    I found the note now from my phone-call to RBS yesterday.
    I spoke with Greg at the RBS telephone customer-support (0845 724 2424).
    He said that yesterday it was still two direct-debits from the gym (Liverpool City Council),
    each on £23.50.
    He said that they both had the reference-number: LIFE 800 1561.
    I told him to check to be absolutly sure about the fact that it still was two direct-debits
    from the gym on the account.
    Since when I called them at the beginning of the month, I was told that the gym only
    had one mandate (which is right), and that they therefore only could withdraw one payment
    each month.
    I was told then that what had happened was a duplicate payment/processing error, so its
    a bit strange I think, that it still was two direct-debits registered from the gym onto my
    account yesterday.
    Ive also managed to find a note about this.
    It was Jamie on the same RBS department that told me that the gym only had one mandate
    on 8/6.
    He also said that it was a processing error from the gym (a duplicate payment), and that the
    gym would need to have more than one mandate if they are to collect more than one payment.
    Ive agreed with Craig at the end of May, and with the manager and other members of staff, that
    I’ll continue to pay the monthly payments (£23.50), and then pay the arrear later, (when I recieved
    the payment from RBS).
    So I think its a bit strange that its two direct debits registered to my account, both in the beginning
    of June, and also now at the end of June, when the gym only have one mandate, and I have agreed
    with the staff on an arrangement on how to pay the arrear.
    But this is probably something that I also could speak with the Duty Officer at the gym about? Or
    should I wait untill you have had the chance to have a look a it?
    Yours sincerely,
    Erik Ribsskog
    On 6/25/07, Lennon, Linda < Linda.Lennon@liverpool.gov.uk> wrote:
    Hi Erik
    I forwarded your email to the Duty Officer at Lifestyles Millennium regarding your complaint please give the centre a call and ask to speak with Richard Little on 0151 233 5414.
    With regards to your membership do you still have a problem with it if so then please let me know the details and I will bring it up to date.
    Many thanks for your email
    Linda Lennon Administration Manager Facility Operations Culture Media & Sport
    Office location: 1st Floor Lifestyles Everton Park Great Homer Street Liverpool L5 5PH
    Mailing location: Municipal Building Dale Street Liverpool L2 2DH
    Tel: 0151 233 6370 e-mail: Linda.Lennon@liverpool.gov.uk ” Liverpool, European Capital of Culture 2008″
    From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com] Sent: 23 June 2007 14:04 To: Lennon, LindaSubject: Earlier e-mails
    Hi,
    I’m refering to the emails I sent you the week before last, since I cant
    see that I have recieved an answer to them.
    Please just tell me if you want me to send the emails again.
    Yours sincerely,
    Erik Ribsskog
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    ———- Forwarded message ———- From: “Erik Ribsskog” < eribsskog@gmail.com>To: “Lennon, Linda” <Linda.Lennon@liverpool.gov.uk > Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 22:58:14 +0100Subject: Fwd: Statement
    Hi,
    I just got back from the gym, it closed at 9 pm.

    I just had to eat a bit and relax a bit after the work-out, or else I would have sent the
    email at once.
    Because what I’m wondering about with the gym, is:
    Is it really right that there should be female washing-staf in the mens wardrobe
    at 8.45 pm, when the gym closes at 9pm?
    This happened again today, and it has also happened once before.
    I used to workout a bit when I lived in Oslo and Sunderland as well, but they never
    used to start washing the wardrobe until after the closing hours.
    So I think that since the gym is run by the Council, I think that they shouldn’t
    have the washing-routines that includes female staff starting to wash in the
    mens wardrobe as early as 8.45 pm.
    I think they should wait until after closing-hours to wash the mens wardrobe,
    and that if they have to wash, then they could maybe instead wash the machines
    in the gym or something else before the gym is closed.
    When I went into the mens wardrobe at 8.45 pm then there was a female washing
    staff washing there, about 40 years maybe with dark hair.
    I think she was talking with a colleague in there, it was probably the other washing-
    woman.
    I was working out on the tread-mill by the reception untill a bit before 8.45 pm, and
    then I saw the washing-staff walking around in the reception-area at around 8.40 pm.
    And one of the washing-staff looked quite young, maybe 16-17 years.
    I think it must have been her that the washing-woman with dark hair spoke with in
    the mens wardrobe at 8.45.
    I don’t think there should be that young female washing staff in the mens wardrobe
    at 8.45, when the gym closes at 9.00pm.
    It has happened once earlier as well that there were female washing staff in the
    mens wardrobe at around 8.45, and I just think that this isnt right.
    I think that both the staff in the gym and the washing staff should understand by
    themselves that the female washing staff shouldnt start to wash in the mens
    wardrobe untill after the closing hours at 9 pm, so thats why I havent complained
    about this to the staff in the gym or the washing staff.
    I think that it should be unecessary for me to tell this to them, I think they should
    have understood this by themselves.
    And Im not really sure whos in charge there in the evenings eighter.
    There has also been other incidents at the gym that I have thought to complain
    about, but I havent untill now.
    But with the washing-staff in the mens wardrobe again today at 8.45 pm, was
    a bit like the final drop, so since Im not really sure whos in charge there in the
    evening I thought that I could send you an email about this.
    And also since one of the washing women was so young, it makes me a bit
    worried about whats going on in the gym, when they put a washing woman/
    girl that looked like she was maybe 16 or 17 in the mens wardrobe at 8.45pm,
    so therefore I thought I should really just write the email now, because that this
    is a bit unacceptable for a gym thats run by the Council.
    I know its a bit late to send emails at this hour, but it thought that since I think
    that this way of organising the washing-routines in the gym is a bit unaceptable,
    I thought that if I sent the email about this right after I got back from the gym,
    then there would be less possibilites that eg. someone could say that I must have
    mistaken the time etc, since now its just a quite short time since I left the gym,
    so I reckoned that its best to send it right away, while I still have the details at
    mind so to speak.
    So I hope that this is alright!
    Sorry that I send the email this late.
    Regards,
    Erik Ribsskog
    ———- Forwarded message ———-From: Erik Ribsskog < eribsskog@gmail.com>Date: Jun 8, 2007 3:45 PM Subject: StatementTo: linda.lennon@liverpool.gov.uk
    Hi,
    I refer to the phone-call earlier today, and send the statement from
    the bank about the duplicate payment with the direct-debit.
    Pleare just contact me if there is anything else I should have remembered.
    Hope that this is alright!
    Regards,
    Erik Ribsskog
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    E-mail sent from the Council on 13/8.
    I didn’t get to add this yesterday, it should be linked to from this entry: http://johncons.angelfire.com/blog/index.blog/1286016/correspondence-with-the-local-government-ombudsman-from-158/.

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    Aug 13, 2007 9:41 AM

    subject

    RE: Lifestyles Liverpool complaint.

    Sir,
    I am sorry but I am having difficulty understanding exactly what you are asking for. Rather than exchange lengthy e-mails I would suggest discussing over the telephone or meeting when you next use Lifestyles would be most beneficial.
    Regards
    Steve Kneale Sport & Recreation Service – Facility Operations Business Development Manager
    Office location: 1st Floor, Lifestyles Everton Park Great Homer Street Liverpool L5 5PH
    Tel: +44 (0)151 233 6362 Fax: +44 (0) 151 233 6300
    Web: http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/lifestyles
    Liverpool – European Capital of Culture 2008

    From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com] Sent: 10 August 2007 19:56To: Kneale, SteveSubject: Re: Lifestyles Liverpool complaint.
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    Hi,
    thank you very much for your answer.
    Like I was writing in the complaint to the ombudsman, I think that the council should maybe
    have answered the complaint in public, since I have brought this things up in public myself,
    since these are things that concern the other users of the gym, and the people who are paying
    tax to the council.
    Also, it would have been very fine if it also was explained why I wasn’t recieving any answer
    from the Duty Officer, and also why it is that it isn’t him who is answering the complaint.
    Also, I was wondering if my complaint to the Duty Officer isn’t being regarded as an official
    complaint?
    Also I think that all the points in the complaint should have been answered. Even if some of
    the points are brought up in another e-mail, I’m explaining about this in the complaint, and
    making it clear that I think it would have been fine to hear what the Duty Officer has to say
    about this, aswell as hearing what Lesley Southern had to say about this, since I haven’t
    really been explained what position in the Council he has, and also since all the points
    have been mentioned together when I’ve comented on the complaint in public, so then
    I think it would be most apropriate if all the points in the complaint were answered
    togheter aswell, even if some of the points also has been brought up in another context.
    Also I think it add to the general overviewabilty of the answer, if the original indexing
    from the complaint was kept.
    I haven’t comented on the indiviadual points from the answer here, I think it would be
    smartest to sort with the issues above first, and then deal with the individual complaints
    later, if you think this would be alright.
    Hope that this is alright, and please tell me if there is anything else I need to take into
    concern, to get my answer in line with your complaint-procedure.
    Yours sincerely,
    Erik Ribsskog

    On 8/10/07, Kneale, Steve <Steve.Kneale@liverpool.gov.uk> wrote:
    Sir,
    Please find attached a response to the matters pertaining to Lifestyles Fitness Centres and your recent complaint.
    Regards
    Steve Kneale Sport & Recreation Service – Facility Operations Business Development Manager
    Office location: 1st Floor, Lifestyles Everton Park Great Homer Street Liverpool L5 5PH
    Tel: +44 (0)151 233 6362 Fax: +44 (0) 151 233 6300
    Web: http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/lifestyles
    Liverpool – European Capital of Culture 2008
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    Update 17/8:
    In the e-mail this entry is regarding, there is copied an e-mail which I sent to the Council on 10/8.
    In this e-mail, I write: ‘Also I think that all the points in the complaint should have been answered. Even if some of the points are brought up in another e-mail, I’m explaining about this in the complaint, and making it clear that I think it would have been fine to hear what the Duty Officer has to say about this, aswell as hearing what Lesley Southern had to say about this, since I haven’t really been explained what position in the Council he has, and also since all the points have been mentioned together when I’ve comented on the complaint in public, so then I think it would be most apropriate if all the points in the complaint were answered togheter aswell, even if some of the points also has been brought up in another context.’.
    When I write ‘Even if some of the points are brought up in another e-mail’, then I’m refering to the e-mail sent to Lesley Southern in the Council on 10/7, and this entry: http://johncons.angelfire.com/blog/index.blog/1286191/email-sent-to-lesley-southern-from-the-council-on-317/ contains correspondence which is about these three points, which are mentioned both in the e-mail to Lesley Southern on 10/7 and the Duty Officer in the gym on 12/7.

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    E-mail sent from the Council on 10/8.

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    Aug 10, 2007 5:33 PM

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    Lifestyles Liverpool complaint.

    Sir,
    Please find attached a response to the matters pertaining to Lifestyles Fitness Centres and your recent complaint.
    Regards
    Steve Kneale Sport & Recreation Service – Facility Operations Business Development Manager
    Office location: 1st Floor, Lifestyles Everton Park Great Homer Street Liverpool L5 5PH
    Tel: +44 (0)151 233 6362 Fax: +44 (0) 151 233 6300
    Web: http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/lifestyles
    Liverpool – European Capital of Culture 2008
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    Ribsskog various Millennium 9-8-07.doc27K View as HTML Open as a Google document Download
    10th August 2007 Enquiries: Steve Kneale
    Direct Line: 0151 233 6362
    Our ref. SK 10Au 07
    Mr. E. Ribsskog
    via e-mail.
    eribsskog@gmail.com
    Dear Eric,

    Thank you for sending us your comments dated 6th August 2007, that have fed into our ‘Have Your Say’ customer feedback system.
    Your communication raises a number of issues, some of which I understand have resulted in responses. However, if any of your previous communications have not been satisfactorily resolved or even responded to then please accept my sincere apologies. I will however try to address your concerns below.
    1. With regard your direct debit subscription to Lifestyles. I am aware of some problems you encountered. In November 2006 we installed a new It system into the Lifestyles centres that did result in a number of problems with collections. These are now resolved and I understand your account is in balance, as advised via e-mail dated 3rd July 2007.
    2. Within the Lifestyles Millennium we strive to provide a high quality service. We do employ cleaners who should not have entered the male changing areas when persons were present and we have changed the cleaning regime to stop this happening in future. Cleaning staff, together with the fitness instructors are required to clean all areas including the fitness equipment but not interfere with member’s enjoyment of using the centre.
    3. Lifestyles Millennium has been closed since 25th June and will re-open on Monday 13th August 2007 to allow essential repairs in the shower areas. Messages were put on the Wellness system and notices displayed in the facility for 2 weeks prior to closure in accordance with our customer charter. We have informed Liverpool Direct of updates and tried to keep the internet updated as we received feedback from contractors with regards the re-opening date.
    4. Members who used Lifestyles Millennium were reimbursed due to its closure and were informed in writing to their home address.
    5. All staff are expected to wear identity badges at all times. Although this does not denote their designation nor authority. Members should be encouraged to report any incidents to any member of staff who will attempt to resolve the matter or report it to a senior colleague. If you have any further cause to report a matter at our facilities I would ask you ask to speak with the duty manager. If you feel this is inappropriate at the time, please can you contact me directly, ideally by telephone to discuss at the earliest opportunity.

    I wish to thank you again for your valued feedback.
    If you remain dissatisfied with the response to your complaint, please contact me either via e-mail, telephone or in writing, where the matter can be escalated to a further stage.
    Yours faithfully
    Steve Kneale
    Business Development Manager
    Sport & Recreation Service
    steve.kneale@liverpool.gov.uk

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    Thursday, 16 August 2007
    E-mail to the Duty Officer at the Council gym from 12/7.
    I read through the entry about the thread that was deleted from the Daily Post messageboard, http://johncons.angelfire.com/blog/index.blog/1285766/thread-from-the-daily-post-messageboard/, and it wasn’t that easy to read the e-mail from 12/7 in the entry, since the e-mail also contains two other e-mails which is pasted in it, and due to the file-type of the back-up of the deleted thread, it is difficult to see where the pasted e-mails starts and ends within the e-mail from 12/7, so I thought I’d enter the original e-mail as well, and see if its easier to read the e-mail in the new entry:

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    Erik Ribsskog

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    Richard.Little@liverpool.gov.uk

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    “Lennon, Linda” ,”Southern, Lesley”

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    Jul 12, 2007 5:06 AM

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    Complaint

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    Hi,
    I’m refering to phone-call last week (4/7). I know I said I’d send this e-mail no
    later than Wednesday, but I didn’t get to start on it untill late on Wednesday,
    so it’s probably going to be Thursday untill I get to actually send the e-mail,
    so sorry about that!
    Problems with washing women/girls in the mens changing-room during opening hours:
    The first thing I wondered about, was regarding the problems described in
    the e-mail I sent to Linda Lennon on 8/6, about the washing girl/women in
    the mens changing-room.
    I’ll copy the text from that e-mail into this e-mail, since I have some questions
    regarding that episode:
    to
    linda.lennon@liverpool.gov.uk

    date

    Jun 8, 2007 10:58 PM

    subject

    Fwd: Statement

    mailed-by

    gmail.com

    Hi,
    I just got back from the gym, it closed at 9 pm.
    I just had to eat a bit and relax a bit after the work-out, or else I would have sent the
    email at once.
    Because what I’m wondering about with the gym, is:
    Is it really right that there should be female washing-staf in the mens wardrobe
    at 8.45 pm, when the gym closes at 9pm?
    This happened again today, and it has also happened once before.
    I used to workout a bit when I lived in Oslo and Sunderland as well, but they never
    used to start washing the wardrobe until after the closing hours.
    So I think that since the gym is run by the Council, I think that they shouldn’t
    have the washing-routines that includes female staff starting to wash in the
    mens wardrobe as early as 8.45 pm.
    I think they should wait until after closing-hours to wash the mens wardrobe,
    and that if they have to wash, then they could maybe instead wash the machines
    in the gym or something else before the gym is closed.
    When I went into the mens wardrobe at 8.45 pm then there was a female washing
    staff washing there, about 40 years maybe with dark hair.
    I think she was talking with a colleague in there, it was probably the other washing-
    woman.
    I was working out on the tread-mill by the reception untill a bit before 8.45 pm, and
    then I saw the washing-staff walking around in the reception-area at around 8.40 pm.
    And one of the washing-staff looked quite young, maybe 16-17 years.
    I think it must have been her that the washing-woman with dark hair spoke with in
    the mens wardrobe at 8.45.
    I don’t think there should be that young female washing staff in the mens wardrobe
    at 8.45, when the gym closes at 9.00pm.
    It has happened once earlier as well that there were female washing staff in the
    mens wardrobe at around 8.45, and I just think that this isnt right.
    I think that both the staff in the gym and the washing staff should understand by
    themselves that the female washing staff shouldnt start to wash in the mens
    wardrobe untill after the closing hours at 9 pm, so thats why I havent complained
    about this to the staff in the gym or the washing staff.
    I think that it should be unecessary for me to tell this to them, I think they should
    have understood this by themselves.
    And Im not really sure whos in charge there in the evenings eighter.
    There has also been other incidents at the gym that I have thought to complain
    about, but I havent untill now.
    But with the washing-staff in the mens wardrobe again today at 8.45 pm, was
    a bit like the final drop, so since Im not really sure whos in charge there in the
    evening I thought that I could send you an email about this.
    And also since one of the washing women was so young, it makes me a bit
    worried about whats going on in the gym, when they put a washing woman/
    girl that looked like she was maybe 16 or 17 in the mens wardrobe at 8.45pm,
    so therefore I thought I should really just write the email now, because that this
    is a bit unacceptable for a gym thats run by the Council.
    I know its a bit late to send emails at this hour, but it thought that since I think
    that this way of organising the washing-routines in the gym is a bit unaceptable,
    I thought that if I sent the email about this right after I got back from the gym,
    then there would be less possibilites that eg. someone could say that I must have
    mistaken the time etc, since now its just a quite short time since I left the gym,
    so I reckoned that its best to send it right away, while I still have the details at
    mind so to speak.
    So I hope that this is alright!
    Sorry that I send the email this late.
    Regards,
    Erik Ribsskog
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    ———- Forwarded message ———-From: Erik Ribsskog < eribsskog@gmail.com>Date: Jun 8, 2007 3:45 PM Subject: StatementTo: linda.lennon@liverpool.gov.uk
    Hi,
    I refer to the phone-call earlier today, and send the statement from
    the bank about the duplicate payment with the direct-debit.
    Pleare just contact me if there is anything else I should have remembered.
    Hope that this is alright!
    Regards,
    Erik Ribsskog
    So my questions regarding this is:
    1. How come that there are washing women/girls in the mens changing-room at 8.45 pm,
    when the gym closes at 9 pm?
    2. Is the gym going to change its washing-routine, so that the washing women/girls dont
    start to wash the mens changing-room untill after the gym is closed. (Because like I explained
    in the e-mail to Linda Lennon, this with the washing women in the mens changing-room has
    also happened earlier at the Millenium gym, but I’ve never seen it in other gyms).
    Problems with direct-debit processing errors/duplicate payments:
    Also, I have been in contact with Lesley Southern, about some problems regarding processing
    errors/duplicate direct debits from the gym.
    I explained to him that I would also bring up some the issues regarding this with you, so I think
    its alright if I also copy the contents of that e-mail:
    from
    Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>

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    Hi,
    thank you very much for your answer.
    I think it was very fine that you had the time to answer me, and I also think that it was very
    fine that you have taken off my arrears due to the amount of time/inconvinience I have had
    due to this.
    But since there were still some things I was wondering about, I thought I could try to send
    you an enquiery about this, to try to maybe found out about this.
    I’ve written an explanation below, as comments on your e-mail, since I thought it was easier
    to explain/answer this way.
    To summarize my questions:
    1. Shouldn’t the gym have asked me first if they wanted to withdraw an extra payment (that they
    had no mandate for) from my account in June?
    2. How come that there were still two payment-requests from the gym waiting to be withdrawn
    from my account on 27/6, when firstly, the gym only have a mandate to withdraw one monthly
    payment from my account. Secondly, I had agreed with the staff at the gym, that I would pay the
    arrears when I recieved the swith-bonus from the bank. And thirdly, I had sent Linda Lennon,
    Administration Manager at the Council an e-mail about this problem on 8/6, with a copy of the
    statement from the bank, showing that there was a problem with the gym charging me duplicate
    payments from my account for the month of June?
    3. How come that the gym still wanted to withdraw a (duplicate) payment from my account for the
    month of July, when the gym was closed for refurbishment for six weeks from 25/6?
    I’m also going to contact the Duty Officer at the gym regarding why the gyms members weren’t
    informed about the six weeks closure of the gym and more. So it might be that I’ll also ask him
    about some of the same questions. (Like about why the gym still wanted to charge me even
    if they were going to be closed etc.)
    I hope you have the time to answer me about this questions, since I thought some of these things
    were a bit strange, so it would be nice to be informed about this.
    So I hope that you bear over with me if I’m asking many questions!
    Thank you very much in advance!
    Yours sincerely,
    Erik Ribsskog

    On 7/3/07, Southern, Lesley <Lesley.Southern@liverpool.gov.uk > wrote:
    Erik
    Your enquiry regarding your direct debit payments has been passed onto myself for further investigation.
    Unfortunately we cannot refund a payment to a member that has outstanding arrears, this is for audit purposes as we are required to provide details of all miscellaneous payments made to our members.
    The action we have taken to date is to take your 1 month overpayment as your cancellation fee (which is normally 2 months) and we have taken your arrears off your membership record for the inconvenience caused as a result of the error.
    – Regarding the overpayment, it wasn’t actually an overpayment, because when the bank saw that it had been a
    process error/duplicate payment from the gym, then they transferred the duplicate payment back as a
    ‘interbranch payment’ on 6/6.
    (Secondly, I think that I shouldn’t recieve a cancellation fee, when the gym suddently closes for 6 weeks
    for refurbishment. I think that then the gym should have first sent its members a letter about this, put
    up a poster at the gym about this, and also not charged its members for the month that they are closed,
    but I have to contact the Duty Officer at the gym about something else, so I’ll bring this up with him.)
    I have checked the Direct Debit report and it seems that the overpayment dates back to a missed January payment which has been allocated to your account on 30 th May. I will need to speak to our Direct Debit team to determine why a payment for January has been included in June’s Direct Debit report.
    I’ve been speaking with the staff (including the Manager) at the gym several times about the arrears, and we agreed that I would
    pay the arrears later, when I recieved some money I was expecting (a switch-bonus from the bank).
    This was agreed with Craig at the gym, when we set up the direct-debit agreement in May.
    I spoke with Craig about this on 1/6 as well, since I hadn’t recieved the switch-bonus yet, and then I was informed
    that the arrear was £70.50, and we agreed that I would pay this when I recieved the money from the bank.
    So my point is, that they should have told me first if they wanted to withdraw an extra payment from my account
    on 1/6, so that I could have planned this in advance.
    Also, this (RBS) bank account was set up in May, so I don’t really understand how a missed direct-debit
    payment to my old (Barclays) account in Januray, could suddently appear on my RBS-account in June?
    It seems a bit strange to me that this could happen, when I also had agreed several times with the staff
    at the gym (in the month of March and then monthly), that I would pay the running bills, and that I’d pay the
    arrears when I recieved the switch-bonus from RBS.
    Also I had been told by the staff at the gym, that there was no hurry at all with the arrears, as long as I
    paid the running bills.
    – Also the bank told me when I called them in the beginning of June, that the gym wasn’t allowed to
    withdraw more than one payment a month from my account, since they only had one mandate.
    – Also, when I called the gym on 26/6, to ask if they were open on 26/6, (since they were closed for
    no apparent reason on 25/6), then I was told that the gym was closed for refurbishment for six weeks.
    I then thought that it wasn’t right that the gym should charge me for the month of July, when they were
    closed. (I also thought they should have informed the members about the six weeks closure). So due
    to this, I called my bank (the RBS customer-support line) on 27/6 to cancel the direct-debit.
    I was then told that there were still two direct-debits from the gym on my account, both with the same,
    reference-number (LIFE 800 1561).
    – So I was wondering, how come that there were still two payment-requests from the gym waiting to
    be withdrawn on my account on 27/6, when firstly, the gym only have a mandate to withdraw one
    monthly payment from my account. Secondly, I had agreed with the staff at the gym, that I would
    pay the arrears when I recieved the swith-bonus from the bank, and thirdly, I had sent Linda Lennon,
    Administration Manager at the Council an e-mail about this problem on 8/6, with a copy of the
    statement from the bank, showing that there was a problem with the gym charging me duplicate
    payments from my account?
    Your account has now been set to expired and no payment was requested in July.
    Well, there were actually two payments requested in July (see above
    So my questions regarding this is:
    3. Shouldn’t the gym have asked me first if they wanted to withdraw an extra payment (that they
    had no mandate for) from my account in June?
    4. How come that there were still two payment-requests from the gym waiting to be withdrawn
    from my account on 27/6, when firstly, the gym only have a mandate to withdraw one monthly
    payment from my account. Secondly, I had agreed with the staff at the gym, that I would pay the
    arrears when I recieved the swith-bonus from the bank. And thirdly, I had sent Linda Lennon,
    Administration Manager at the Council an e-mail about this problem on 8/6, with a copy of the
    statement from the bank, showing that there was a problem with the gym charging me duplicate
    payments from my account for the month of June?
    Problems around the closure of the gym for six weeks from 25/6 due to refurbishment:
    5. How come that the gym still wanted to withdraw a (duplicate) payment from my account for the
    month of July, when the gym was closed for refurbishment for six weeks from 25/6?
    6. How come that there were no letters sent to the members of the gym regarding the closure
    of the gym for six weeks from 25/6 due to refurbishment?
    7. How come that there were no poster in the gym informing the users of the gym that the gym
    would be closed for six weeks from 25/6 due to refurbishment?
    8. How come that there was only a makeshift sign on the entrance-door to the millenium-
    building saying ‘gym closed’, and nothing more when I went there to work out on the
    evening on 25/6. (Shouldn’t it have been a proper sign, with information about why the
    gym was closed, how long the gym was closed for, and not just some makeshift
    sign written with an ink-marker)?
    9. How come that there were no information about the fact that the gym was closed, when
    I went on the lifestyles website:
    (www.liverpool.gov.uk/Leisure_and_culture/Sports/Leisure_Centres_and_Pools/Lifestyles_Millennium/index.asp )
    on 26/6 (When the gym had been closed since 25/5)?
    (I can see that it says that the gym is closed there now, but on 26/6, there was no information
    about the gym being closed at all. I went there to see if it said anything on the website on 26/6,
    since the gym was closed for no obvious reason on 25/6, but it didn’t say anything about the gym
    being closed on the website, so I noted down the phone-number to the gym, and called the gym,
    and they told me that the gym was closed for six weeks due to refurbishment.)
    10. How come that members of the gym were charged for the whole month of June, when the gym
    was closed for refurbishment from 25/6? (Shouldn’t the six days from 25/6 to 30/6 have been
    deducted from the charge?).
    Other problems at the gym:
    Like I wrote in my e-mail to Linda Lennon on 8/6, there had also been other, earlier incidents at
    the gym which I had thought to complain about.
    But like I also wrote, it wasn’t always easy to know who it was that was in charge there after the
    manager had gone home, and him I only spoke with once, since I most often worked out in the
    evening.
    And that the incident with the washing girls/women in the mens changing room again within the
    opening hours was the last drop, so to speak.
    And then it was easier for me to complain, because then I had her e-mail address from before,
    since I had sent her a copy of the statement from the bank, to document the problems with
    the duplicate direct debit/processing error from the gym.
    So then it was easier for me to complain.
    I’m going to try explain a bit more about the earlier incidents:
    Problems with locker:
    On 26/4, it says in my note-book, I was at the gym.
    I work with office-work, so I try to work out quite often, and I usually use different lockers at the
    gym, depending on which locker of the lockers that are free etc.
    And when one work out 3-5 days a week for some time, and you have a different locker each time,
    then it could be that one forgets exactly which locker one uses this particular time.
    And, since only about half of the key-rings with the keys for the lockers had tag-numbers on them,
    this could be a bit confusing.
    So when I was finished with the work-out, and I went to the area of the changing-room where my
    locker was, then the locker wouldn’t open.
    Like I wrote, I use different lockers each time, depending on which lockers that are free, where in
    the changing-room it is less crowded etc.
    So it isn’t that easy to be exactly sure if it is that particular locker, especially since the key-ring
    to the locker (like about half of the other key-rings, i noticed later), lacked a number-tag on it,
    to specify which locker it belonged to.
    I usually dont keep things like my wallet etc. in the locker, since its a big gym, always many
    people there, and I would get a lot of inconvienience if something happened to my wallet etc.,
    so I didn’t keep the most ‘valuble’ things in the locker.
    I use to keep my note-book with my wallet, so I had my note-book still on me, and I thought it
    was a bit embarresing going to the reception explaining that I coultn’t find my locker, so I decided
    to be 100% sure before I did that.
    So, I just wrote down the numbers of all the lockers in my note-book, and then I checked each
    and every locker, and crossed the number for that locker in my note-book.
    I made sure to check each lock thoroughly.
    So, when I had checked each lock in the changing-room, and the key didn’t fit in any of them,
    then I went to the reception to explain.
    It was still quite embarresing, but at least now I had the note-book to show that I had tryed all
    of the locks.
    There were about 5 or 6 people sitting in the reception, and the woman in charge, told Neil to
    help me with this.
    I explained to Neil that maybe the smartest thing for me would be to return at closing-time,
    when all the other users of the gym had gone home, then it would only be one locker left
    to check.
    I was holding my note-book still, so I wrote down that Neil started acting a bit like a sergeant
    in the army, knocking his fist into the side of the enterance to the changing-room and screaming
    /comanding: ‘come here’.
    I thought this behaviour was a bit peculiar, but I went after him into the changing-room, and then
    he starting to ask if I had been having a few beers. (Since I couldnt remember the number for
    the locker).
    I asked him what his name was, and wrote it down.
    Then I showed him that I had tryed all the lockers, and that noone worked, and that there wasnt
    any number-tag on the key-chain for the locker.
    He asked me which locker I thought it was, and I told him that I thought it was the number 156
    one. (It says in my note-book).
    So he asked me to give him the key, so that he could try the number 156 locker and the
    surrounding lockers.
    But he couldnt manage to open any of them, so he went to find the master-key.
    This took a bit of time, but he returned and then opened the locker with the new key.
    It was locker 156, and I showed him in my note-book that I had already tryed to open
    locker 156 with the key, because I had crossed out that number in the note-book.
    Neil said that ‘the locks often get stuck.’, I can see from my note-book.
    I found a new locker (since I didnt have the key any longer to the 156 one), and Neil
    reminded me to remember the key-number.
    I told him that I thought that there should be key-tags on the key-rings for the lockers.
    Also, the next time I went to the gym, the woman in charge reminded me that I should
    remember the key-number, and then I told the woman in charge that I thought that
    there should be key-tags on the key-rings. (But there still wasnt done anything
    with this problem, and about half of the key-rings were still missing a key-tag
    for the remainder of the time I was working out at the gym).
    So my questions regarding this is:
    11. How come there are so much problems with the locks getting stuck in the lockers?
    I mean, surely the gym bought new lockers when they opened? And its the Millennium
    building gym, so the building and the gym can’t be that old? (Did someone buy used
    lockers for the gym when it opened)?
    12. How come the gym doesn’t use oil in the locks for the lockers, if it, like Neil said,
    is a problem with the ‘locks often get stuck’?
    13: And why didn’t the gym put key-tags on the lockers, when about half of the key-
    tags were missing, and I had spoken about this problem with both Neil and the woman
    who was in charge there on the day this incident ocured, I think it was on 26/4?
    Problems with the washing of the machines:
    When I wrote the e-mail about the problem with the washing women/girls in the
    mens changing-room in the opening hours, then it came to mind that maybe
    the washing-should should rather wash the machines, and then wait untill
    the gym has closed, before they washed the changing-rooms.
    The reason I thought about this, is because I remembered an incident from when
    I was working out, I think it must have been in April or May.
    Then I was working out at the thread-mill, and this was I seem to remember hours
    before closing-time.
    There were a couple of washing-ladys there, even if it was still a few hours until
    closing-time.
    They were just walking around a bit, seemingly not certain on the routine.
    But then one of the washing ladies started to wash the stepping-machine in front
    of me. But what I thought was a bit strange, was that she only washed the tip of
    one of the handles of the stepping machine, and then nothing else. This she did
    twice with a few minuttes inbetween.
    Other than that, I couldn’t see that eighter she or her collegue washed any of the
    other machines. (They looked a bit lost there, walking around with their buckets
    while the gym was still quite crowded, since it was hours till closing-time.)
    My question regarding this is:
    14: Shouldn’t the washing-staff put up a sign near the machines when they wash
    them during the time of which the gym is open? Couldn’t people get hurt if
    they work out on machines that are slippery from being washed? I seem to
    remember from other places I’ve been working etc., that yellow plastic signs
    are being put on the floor etc., saying that one have to be careful since its
    newly washed, so shouldn’t the washing staff in the gym also do this when
    they clean the machines within the opening hours?
    Problems with staff:
    Like I’ve written, there have been some incedents before that I have wondered
    if I should complain about, but I’m not always sure whos in charge there, so
    this makes it a bit more tricky to complain, and I’ve also had the problem
    with the arrears on my membership, and the manager let me work out
    there and pay the arrears later, so there was a threshold before I would
    complain.
    But I wrote down in my note-book a couple of things I reacted on anyway.
    I was wondering a bit what was going on there, e.g. on 24/5 Craig and
    a blond girl sits in the reception.
    Only Craig logs in the members, even if there is a long queue. The girl
    is only watching. (I think maybe she is his girlfriend, since I noticed
    them sitting very close once when I wanted to log in).
    So I was wondering, if there is a long queue, surely both of them could
    log in the users of the gym, so that they wouldn’t have to wait in a line,
    like if some of the customers are there to sign up for a membership,
    then still everyone have to wait in one line, even if there are more
    staff at work.
    So then I was wondering what is the girl doing there, if she cant log in
    the customers, and is only sitting watching.
    And I think she had been working there a while then, so I dont think
    she was on training.
    So this seemed a bit strange to me, so I thought I could mention it
    while Im writing this e-mail anyway.
    Also, I remember, that one Friday I was working out there, then they
    annonced the closing of the gym like this:
    ‘The gym will be closing in 60 minutes’, ‘The gym will be closing in
    45 minutes’, ‘The gym will be closing in 30 minutes’, ‘The gym will
    be closing in 15 minutes’.
    I think it was the same girl, but it seemed like it was Craig that told
    her to say it.
    Normally they only say ‘The gym will be closing in 20 minuttes’, or
    something like this, so I thought I could mention this as well, even
    if its maybe not so important what they say on the calling-system
    in the Friday evenings? Anyway, I thought I could mention it while
    I was writing the e-mail anyway.
    My question to this is:
    15. How come the staff only sits watching while the customers are
    standing in line?
    16. Shouldn’t the staff have name-tags, where it said name and title,
    so that it would be easier for the users of the gym to know who to
    speak with regarding different problems. (So that they know who
    are in charge)?
    (For instance, on the day when there were washing girls/women in
    the mens changing room, and they must have been there from
    around 8.40 pm. or earlier, because I went in there on 8.45 pm,
    and then they were well into their routine it looked like, before I
    turned and went home.
    On that day (8/6), the staff that were working around closing-time,
    was Neil, a young girl that wears high-healed shoes and blouse,
    and a man around 40 years maybe that I think could maybe is the
    girls father, because I saw him standing very close to the girl once.
    I thought maybe the girl was in a kind of responsible position there,
    since she wear office-clothes, but the guy in his forthies I reckon
    also could be in charge there, since hes the oldest etc., and also
    Neil I reckoned could have been in charge, since he has access
    to the master-keys etc.
    So its a bit embarrasing asking about whos in charge, because
    you wouldn’t want to offend anyone, with asking whos in charge,
    and then its actually that person who is in charge.
    I don’t say that it is impossible for the customers of the gym to
    find out whose in charge, but I thought that it could maybe add
    to the general level of customer-service at the gym if the staff
    was wearing name-tags.
    I wrote down a note of who that was working that day, so that
    I would know later, since I wrote the e-mail that day with the
    complaint about the washing-staff in the chaning-room, so I
    thought I’d write it down, in case it became an issue.)
    17. Should they really anounce that the gym is closing in 60 minutes,
    and that the gym is closing in 45 minutes etc.?
    Problems with direct-debit agreement on 13/12/06:
    While I was looking for some notes before I started writing this
    e-mail now, I found a letter from the gym from 8/12/06.
    I’ll just write what it says:
    ‘Dear Mr. Ribsskog,
    RE: Lifestyles Membership No: LDD121346
    As a valued Lifestyles member, I was surprised to find that your monthly
    Lifestyles subscription of £23.50 due earlier this month has not been paid.
    You may be aware of this already and have made payment at the
    Lifestyles centre, if so, please accept my apologies.
    If you have not paid these arrears, I would ask that you pay them at your
    earliest convienience by contacting your nearest Lifestyles Centre. Your
    membership account can be updated at any of the centres and you can
    pay either by cash, cheque, credit or debit card.
    Please contact Liverpool Direct on 0151 233 3007 for the number of your
    nearest Lifestye centre.
    I regret that until any arrears have been paid, standard admission
    charges will apply and you will lose the benefits of your membership.
    Yours feithfully
    Steve Kneale
    Business Development Manager’.
    (I write quite fast, so I thought I could just write it down, so that it would be
    easier to understand what I meant.)
    There were some problems regarding me switching from a Barclays Cashcard
    account to a Barclays Current-account at around the end of November/beginning
    of December 2006.
    The problem was that my pay from work was switched to the new current-account,
    whereas the direct-debits remained connected to the old account.
    I was in a busy period with work etc., so I didnt think about this problem before I
    got a letter from the bank about it.
    So I went to the bank, and transfered all my direct-debits from my old Barlays
    cashcard account, and to my new Barclays current/visa account.
    The clerk in the bank did this for me, it was a quite routine operation it seemed
    to me.
    Exept for the Lifestyles direct-debit for some reason.
    This direct-debit had been canceled right away, in a way so that the clerk in the
    bank couldnt transfer it to the new account.
    And when I went to the gym on 13/12, I had to pay the charge for Decemeber at
    the gym, and it wasn’t possible for me to just switch the existing direct-debit
    agreement from my old Barlays Cashcard account to my new Barclays Current
    account, but I had to fill out a new form all over again to set up the new
    direct debit agreement on my new account.
    I accept that it was my fault with forgetting to transfer the direct-debit to the
    new account (It was some comunication-problem at work, with me informing
    work that I had got a new bank-account, but with work not giving me any
    feedback on that they had changed my account information in the payment
    system).
    But because of the later problem with the direct debits now in June, I thought
    I could ask a couple of questions regarding this as well, while I’m at it, so to
    speak.
    18: How come that the gym canceled my direct-debit between 1/12 and 8/12,
    and sent me a letter on 8/12, where it said that I had to go to the gym and
    pay in cash, when I had never had any payment problems with the gym before
    this, and all the other direct-debits were possible to switch (for the clerk at
    the bank to my new account), except the gyms direct-debit? Shouldn’t the
    gym have tryed to collect the payment from my account again 7-14 days
    later, like the clerk in the bank told me that the other companies did?
    19: Why did I have to write my signature on, and fill out a new form all over
    again on 13/12, for a new direct-debit. Didn’t the gym have all my information
    from before, have one got to fill out and sign a new form just because one
    gets a new account-number, when one are still using the same bank?
    (The signature of the women I spoke with on the gym on 13/12/06, looks
    like it says Probert as a last name by the way, in case that makes it
    any easier to find out about this.
    I remember I thought it was strange that I had to fill out the form all over
    again, just because of the problem of the one payment due to the
    problems with changing the direct-debits and my pay from work to
    the new account, in a coordinated way.
    Because it didn’t seem to be a similiar problem with the other companies
    that also had direct-debits on my account, so therefore I remember that
    I thought that this was a bit strange.
    And now, due to the other problems with the direct-debits again, now in
    June, I thought I’d just ask about the earlier problems, since they came
    to mind now.
    also this:
    How come I got a letter sent 8 days after the missed payment in December,
    where as later, in January, February and March (with the new direct-debit set
    up on 13/12), I didn’t get a letter at all.
    It went on for two or three months, it must have been, before someone reminded
    me that there were arrears on my membership.
    I was quite busy in this time-periode, even if I was unemployed, so I didn’t
    have so much money then, so I should maybe have spoken with the staff about
    this myself, but I much problems with paying my rent etc., and I was glad to
    have the oppertunity to work-out, since it was a bit stressing not having a
    job, and it helped to work-out to relax from the stress.
    And also, the staff gave different information to me regarding the arrears. The
    girl wearing office-wear, and who worked on 8/6, for instance, told me on
    one occation that it wasn’t a hurry paying the arrears at all. (As long as I
    paid the running bills, which I did).
    And other members of staff, Craig for instance, told me that I had to pay the
    arrears before a certain date, (I spoke with the manager and got an extension,
    and later I agreed with Craig that I would pay the arrears when I got first the
    loan I was promised from the bank, and later the switch-bonus I was promised
    from the bank.)
    So the questions regarding this:
    20: How come in December I get a letter for not paying after 8 days, where as
    in the new year, it goes in the region of two or three months without recieving
    a letter or reminder from the staff, even if I worked out several times a week?
    21: How come one member of the staff (the girl with the office-wear who worked
    on 8/6), says that there is no hurry with the arrears, where as another member
    of staff (Craig), says that I have to pay before this and this date? How is this
    really supposed to be, according to the rules?
    (I appriciate very much that I was allowed to work out at the gym even if I had
    arrears, so it’s not because I am ungrateful that I ask about these things. It’s
    just that due to the other problems, with the washing-women/girls in the changing
    room, and the problems with the continuing processing errors and duplicate
    payments with the direct debits.
    And also due to the problems surrounding the unanounced closure of the gym
    for six weeks due to refurbishment.
    Due to these problems, I thought it would be best to mention all the other
    problems while I was at it. Even if some of these problems aren’t maybe
    that serious in themselves, I anyway thought that they were worth bringing
    up, because, I think, thay add to a general picture of things at the gym
    being a bit out of hand, so due to this I’m a bit concerned about whats
    really going on at the gym, and then I thought it would be best to mentioned
    all the things that came to mind, because these things, even if it isn’t clear
    to me here and now that there for certain is a problem conected with them,
    it could be a problem, so I thought it would be the most responsible thing
    to do, to also add the latter part of the problems, the ones that are mentioned
    under the title ‘other problems’.
    So even if it was the first five or ten questions that made me go to the step
    of complaining. Even so, I hope you have the oppertunity to answer me about
    the last part of the questions as well.
    Sorry again that this e-mail got a bit delayed. I know I said I’d send it no latter
    than Wednesday, but I reckon that as long as I send it before the office hours
    on Thursday, then it hopefully should be ok.
    I’ll also forward this e-mail to Linda Lennon and Lesley Southern, since I’ve been
    copying the e-mails I’ve sent to them earlier, in this e-mail now.
    Hope that this is alright, and that you bear over with me if some of the last questions
    wasn’t as well stated as they should have been, due to time problems etc.
    Hope that this is alright!
    Yours sincerely,
    Erik Ribsskog
    Posted by johncons at 2:46 AM BST Updated: Thursday, 16 August 2007 4:05 AM BST Post Comment Permalink Share This Post
    Wednesday, 15 August 2007
    Correspondence with the Local Government Ombudsman from 15/8.
    I sent a complaint to the Duty Officer on the Council-gym on 12/7, http://johncons.angelfire.com/blog/index.blog/1286039/email-to-the-duty-officer-at-the-council-gym-from-127/.
    The council didn’t answer the complaint, so I contacted the Local Government Ombudsman on 5/8, and complained to them since the Council didn’t answer. (Like it says in their Complaint-procedure, http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/Feedback/Complaints/index.asp, they are supposed two deal with complaints within two weeks.
    The Local Goverment Ombudsman sent me a letter where they said that the Council hadn’t had enough time to deal with the complaint, a letter I recieved from them on 9/8.
    The council sent me an e-mail on 10/8, http://johncons.angelfire.com/blog/index.blog/1286075/email-sent-from-the-council-on-108/, where they told me: ‘Dear Eric, Thank you for sending us your comments dated 6th August 2007’, even if I hadn’t sent them any correspondence on 6/8, only the complaint in the e-mail from 12/7, http://johncons.angelfire.com/blog/index.blog/1286039/email-to-the-duty-officer-at-the-council-gym-from-127/.

    I sent an answer in an email to the Council the same day, and also an e-mail to the Local Goverment Ombudsman the same day. These e-mails are posted at the end of this thread: http://johncons.angelfire.com/blog/index.blog/1285766/thread-from-the-daily-post-messageboard/.

    When the Council didn’t answer the complaint from 12/7, I posted the complaint on the Daily Post’s Messageboard. (I thought that since it was a Council-run gym, I reckoned that these problems also concerned the other users of the gym, and the people who are paying their Council-tax.)

    I thought that since I had started to deal with the complaint in public, that it would be natural for the Council to answer the complaint in public as well, since many people had read the post about this on the message-board, and also since things that has to do with local government concerns the people living in the Council-area.

    But the Council sent me a new e-mail on Monday, where they wrote that they didn’t understand my concerns, and wanted to have a meeting next time I went to the gym (even if it says in the complaint from 12/7, in the part where the e-mail from Lesley Southern is posted, there he writes that my subscription at the gym is expired).

    I wasn’t content with having a meeting at the gym, I thought this should be dealt with in public like I had explained in my e-mail to them from 10/8.
    In the e-mail from 13/8, the gym also writes that they didn’t understand my concerns. Link: http://johncons.angelfire.com/blog/index.blog/1286137/email-sent-from-the-council-on-138/. (Link added 16/8).

    My view is that the gym hasn’t dealt with my complaint from 12/7 at all, they are talking about some comments from 6/8, which they say I’ve sent to them. (But I haven’t).

    So I think that if the Council don’t understand my concerns, then maybe they should have a look at the e-mail I sent them on 12/7, since they haven’t refered to this e-mail in the correspondence with me at all. It could maybe seem like the Council haven’t recieved this e-mail at all, but I did actually send it to them on 12/7 (http://johncons.angelfire.com/blog/index.blog/1286039/email-to-the-duty-officer-at-the-council-gym-from-127/).

    But it seems like the Council is ignoring the complaint from 12/7, and instead are focusing on some comments, unknown to me, from 6/8.

    It seems to me that the Council are trying to run the comments from 6/8 (which are unknown to me) through the complaint-procedure, and not paying any attention to the complaint from 12/7.

    Since it was me that complained, I think it would be natural to focus on the complaint I sent, and not on some comments they have received later, which they didn’t recieve from me.

    I have tryed to address this earlier, like in the e-mails I sent the Council and the Local Government Ombudsman on 10/8, I asked both of them if they didn’t look at my complaint from 12/7 as an official complaint. Yet none of them have answer me back on this.

    There have also been other problems, like the Council breachin their own complaint-procedure when they didn’t answer my complaint, and that the Council are haveing problems in understanding my concerns (Which I’m finding a bit unlikely, since I would have though that it should have been possible for them to understand what I’m writing in the e-mails from 12/7 and 10/8.).

    So some of these issues were brought up in the correspondence with the Local Government Ombudsman, but I’m not sure if I managed to explain to them good enough about the problem with the Council dealing with the comments from 6/8 (which they say I’ve sent them, but I haven’t), and not with the complaint from 12/7.

    So I’m trying to find out how I should go forward with this, because I’m not sure if I know excactly how to deal with this now, because I think the process is a bit out of control.

    So I’m have to try to get some advice somewhere regarding this I reackon.

    Here is the correspondence with the Local Government Ombudsman, surrounding these issues:

    (Update from 17/8: The first e-mail in the correspondence from 15/8, is an answer to the e-mail from 10/8, which can be found at the end of this entry: http://johncons.angelfire.com/blog/index.blog/1285766/thread-from-the-daily-post-messageboard/, it’s also a reply to the e-mail from 13/8, which can be found in this entry: http://johncons.angelfire.com/blog/index.blog/1286207/email-sent-to-the-local-government-ombudsman-on-138/.)

    from Rosemary Agnew <r.agnew@lgo.org.uk> hide details 9:07 am (13 hours ago) to eribsskog@gmail.com date Aug 15, 2007 9:07 AM subject Complaint reference 07/C/06289
    Dear Mr Ribsskog

    Please find attached a letter in response to your recent emails (Ribsskog 07c06289.doc).

    I have also copied it to the Council so they are aware of what I have said to you.

    Rosemary Agnew
    Assistant Ombudsman
    Commission for Local Administration in England
    Beverley House
    17 Shipton Road
    YORK. YO30 5FZ

    Tel: 01904 380206
    Fax: 01904 380200
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    Ribsskog 07c06289 letter.doc81K View as HTML Open as a Google document Download
    15 August 2007
    BY EMAIL to eribsskog@gmail.com
    Mr E Ribsskog
    Flat 3
    Leather Lane
    Liverpool
    L2 2AE
    Our Ref: 07/C/06289/RA/25(5)
    (Please quote our reference when contacting us. If emailing please quote it in the subject title)
    If telephoning contact: Rosemary Agnew on 01904 380 201
    If e-mailing contact: st3york@lgo.org.uk
    Dear Mr Ribsskog
    Complaint about Liverpool City Council
    I refer to your recent emails and in particular your email of 13 August 2007 in which you expressed a concern that your complaint was not being dealt with seriously. I was not sure if you were directing that comment at the Local Government Ombudsman or at the Council so I have made some enquiries of the Council so I can address the issue from both angles.
    As regards the Ombudsman’s involvement in your complaint, I can assure you we take all complaints seriously. That does not mean, however, that we automatically investigate them. In many cases, we are of the view the Council has not been given an opportunity to address the issues and respond to the complaint first. The law says we should give Council’s this opportunity.
    In your case, our view was the Council should investigate matters first. Our expectation is that you will exhaust the Council’s complaint procedure before we become involved again.
    This brings me to the way the Council is dealing with your complaint. The Council sent me a copy of its response to you of 10 August 2007. I understand you emailed a response to the Council, who, unsure of what your concerns were have offered to meet you to discuss the complaint further. This seems entirely reasonable to me. My view is you have not exhausted the Council’s complaint procedure and until you have done so we will not be involved further.
    I feel it only fair to say at this stage, that even if you came back to us dissatisfied with the Council’s actions, it is by no means guaranteed that we would investigate your complaint, but I can assure you we would consider it seriously.
    I have copied this letter to the Council so they are aware of what I have told you.
    Yours sincerely

    Rosemary Agnew
    Assistant Ombudsman

    from Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com> hide details 3:49 pm (6 hours ago) to Rosemary Agnew <r.agnew@lgo.org.uk> date Aug 15, 2007 3:49 PM subject Re: Complaint reference 07/C/06289 mailed-by gmail.com
    Hi, thank you very much for your e-mail today! You write in your letter that you think it’s reasonable that the Council don’t understand what I’m writing in my e-mail from Friday. I’m worried that the Council only pretend that they don’t understand my e-mail, so thatthey don’t have to deal with this in public. Also, you write that you think this matter should be dealt with within the Council complaint procedure, even if the procedure was breached by the Council when they didn’t deal with my complaint from 12/7, within two weeks, like the Councilcomplaint procedure says. (But only responded after more than four weeks, afterthey had been contacted by you). I’m not an expert on these issues, but it seems to me that using common sence,I think that these issues should be reasons good enough, and to me it seems likethe only responsible thing would be for the Ombudsman to investigate. (That’s my view on this, I’m sorry if I’m a bit direct, but thats because I’m Norwegian,and in Norway it’s usual to be quite direct, so I’m quite used to that from before,so I don’t mean to be impolite even if I’m direct, I just want to explain what I mean.) Hope that this is alright! Thank you very much in advance! Yours sincerely,
    Erik Ribsskog

    from Rosemary Agnew <r.agnew@lgo.org.uk> hide details 4:13 pm (6 hours ago) to Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com> date Aug 15, 2007 4:13 PM subject RE: Policy Test – RefRe: Complaint reference 07/C/06289
    Dear Mr Ribsskog

    Thank you for your email.

    I appreciate your view that the Council ‘should understand’ your email of 10 August but the fact is they don’t and in an effort to try to have offered to meet you. This is reasonable in my view. It is entirely up to you whether to take up that offer and exhaust their complaint procedure. But until you have exhausted the council’s complaint procedure, the Ombudsman will not look at your complaint further.

    I realize this will disappoint you, but simply citing the Council’s failure to understand your correspondence is not reason enough to persuade me it is appropriate for use to investigate yet, especially when the Council has shown willing to engage with you further.

    Rosemary Agnew
    Assistant Ombudsman
    Commission for Local Administration in England
    Beverley House
    17 Shipton Road
    YORK. YO30 5FZ

    Tel: 01904 380206
    Fax: 01904 380200
    www.lgo.org.uk

    NOTICE – This message contains information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you have received this message in error please advise us at once and do not make any use of the information.

    from Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com> hide details 4:40 pm (6 hours ago) to Rosemary Agnew <r.agnew@lgo.org.uk> date Aug 15, 2007 4:40 PM subject Re: Policy Test – RefRe: Complaint reference 07/C/06289 mailed-by gmail.com
    Hi, thanks for your e-mail again! I’m sorry if the correspondence is a bit busy.
    But have you had a look at the correspondence yourselves, and made up your mind ifyou think it’s reasonable that the Council didn’t understand my e-mail from Friday? Also, I’m not only stating this reason, I’m also stating the other reason, that the Councilbreached the complaint procedure. I hope that you have oppertunity to answer me on this as well. Thank you very much again. Yours sincerely, Erik Ribsskog

    from Rosemary Agnew <r.agnew@lgo.org.uk> hide details 4:42 pm (6 hours ago) to Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com> date Aug 15, 2007 4:42 PM subject RE: Policy Test – RefRe: Policy Test – RefRe: Complaint reference 07/C/06289
    Mr Ribsskog

    Thank you for your email. Note your comments but they do not alter my view that the Council should be given an opportunity to address your complaint before we investigate it.

    Rosemary Agnew
    Assistant Ombudsman
    Commission for Local Administration in England
    Beverley House
    17 Shipton Road
    YORK. YO30 5FZ

    Tel: 01904 380206
    Fax: 01904 380200
    www.lgo.org.uk

    NOTICE – This message contains information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you have received this message in error please advise us at once and do not make any use of the information.

    from Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com> hide details 4:58 pm (6 hours ago) to Rosemary Agnew <r.agnew@lgo.org.uk> date Aug 15, 2007 4:58 PM subject Re: Policy Test – RefRe: Policy Test – RefRe: Complaint reference 07/C/06289 mailed-by gmail.com
    Hi, thank you very much again! I’m not trying to argue here, just to understand the procedure. What I was wondering was, didn’t the Council have the oppertunity to address mycomplaint when I sent them the complaint on e-mail in July? So I was wondering if one really can say that they haven’t had the chance to dealwith the complaint when they have recieved the complaint on e-mail, and sat on it for more than four weeks? Haven’t they really had their chance then, so to speak? I’m not writing this to argue, I just thought this would be interesting to learn, so thatI maybe understand a bit more about the complaint-procedure. Thank you very much! Yours sincerely, Erik Ribsskog

    from Rosemary Agnew <r.agnew@lgo.org.uk> hide details 5:41 pm (5 hours ago) to Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com> date Aug 15, 2007 5:41 PM subject RE: Policy Test – RefRe: Policy Test – RefRe: Policy Test – RefRe: Complaint reference 07/C/06289
    Dear Mr Ribsskog, this is the last email I will send you on this subject.

    You have asked for clarification of procedure/process. Please find attached a letter with my response.

    Rosemary Agnew
    Assistant Ombudsman
    Commission for Local Administration in England
    Beverley House
    17 Shipton Road
    YORK. YO30 5FZ

    Tel: 01904 380206
    Fax: 01904 380200
    www.lgo.org.uk

    NOTICE – This message contains information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you have received this message in error please advise us at once and do not make any use of the information.

    15 August 2007
    BY EMAIL to eribsskog@gmail.com
    Mr E Ribsskog
    Flat 3
    Leather Lane
    Liverpool
    L2 2AE
    Our Ref: 07/C/06289/RA/25(5)
    (Please quote our reference when contacting us. If emailing please quote it in the subject title)
    If telephoning contact: Rosemary Agnew on 01904 380 201
    If e-mailing contact: st3york@lgo.org.uk
    Dear Mr Ribsskog
    Complaint about Liverpool City Council
    I refer to your recent email an in particular for clarification of the process and procedure.
    When the Ombudsman receives a complaint, the first thing she must consider is her jurisdiction. What I mean by this, is she must make sure that under the terms of the Local Government Act 1974 she has the powers to investigate the complaint.
    One of the first things she considers is whether the provision as set out in section 26(5) of the Local Government Act 1974 has been met.
    The law states:

    What constitutes reasonable opportunity is a judgement we make based on the information we have. Normally, this is that a complaint has been through all the stages of the Council’s complaint procedure.
    Until the Council has been given reasonable opportunity, we do not investigate.
    I appreciate that the Council had your letter and email and so had some opportunity but I do not consider that it has been given reasonable opportunity overall, to investigate your complaint because it has tried to understand your concerns and you have not taken up its offer to meet with you to discuss matters.
    I hope this provides you with the information you were seeking.
    Yours sincerely

    Rosemary Agnew
    Assistant Ombudsman

    from Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com> hide details 6:44 pm (4 hours ago) to Rosemary Agnew <r.agnew@lgo.org.uk> date Aug 15, 2007 6:44 PM subject Re: Policy Test – RefRe: Policy Test – RefRe: Policy Test – RefRe: Complaint reference 07/C/06289 mailed-by gmail.com
    Hi, I see that you are beginning to have enough of my e-mails.
    But I’m sending this e-mail anyway, since I think that there is an imortant point that has been missed in this.
    And this is that the Council wants to meet and discuss some commentsdated 6/8. They write in their e-mail from 10/8: ‘Dear Eric, Thank you for sending us your comments dated 6th August 2007’. Where as I haven’t sent them any comments dated 6/8, I am still waiting for a reply on my complaint from 12/7. So obviosly, in addition to the earlier mentioned issues with the breachingof the complaint procedure, and the failure to understand what I was writingin my e-mail from Friday, I think this whole process is out of hand. So to continue with the process, in a way like this, I think is unacceptable. I think the Ombudsman should act resposible, and maybe have a closer look at this. Thank you for your time again, and I appologise for all the correspondence,I should have prepared more for this, but also have work and a lot of otherthings to sort with, so I am unfortunatly not able to use as much time asI would have wanted on this, and I think that unfortunatly also reflects in my correspondence.
    Sorry about this! Thank you very much again for your replies! Yours sincerely,
    Erik Ribsskog

    The correspondence continues here.
    Posted by johncons at 11:33 PM BST Updated: Thursday, 30 August 2007 1:18 AM BST Post Comment Permalink Share This Post
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    Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:26 am Post subject: Problems at the Council-run Lifestyles gym in Victoria St.

    Hi, I’m a Norwegian that has been living in this town for a couple of years. I’ve written a complaint about some problems at the Lifestyles gym in Victoria Street, which I have been sending to the Duty Officer at the gym, and also forwarded to two other representatives working for the Council. It’s almost two weeks since I sent the complaint now, but I still haven’t recieved any answer. So I thought that since this is a council-run gym, then it should be ok to discuss these things here. Since I reckon that the things that are going on at the council-run gym also concerns the other users of the gym, and also the people who are paying tax to the council: from Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com> hide details Jul 12 to Richard.Little@liverpool.gov.uk cc “Lennon, Linda” <linda.lennon@liverpool.gov.uk>, “Southern, Lesley” <Lesley.Southern@liverpool.gov.uk> date Jul 12, 2007 5:06 AM subject Complaint mailed-by gmail.com Images are not displayed. Display images below – Always display images from eribsskog@gmail.com Hi, I’m refering to phone-call last week (4/7). I know I said I’d send this e-mail no later than Wednesday, but I didn’t get to start on it untill late on Wednesday, so it’s probably going to be Thursday untill I get to actually send the e-mail, so sorry about that! Problems with washing women/girls in the mens changing-room during opening hours: The first thing I wondered about, was regarding the problems described in the e-mail I sent to Linda Lennon on 8/6, about the washing girl/women in the mens changing-room. I’ll copy the text from that e-mail into this e-mail, since I have some questions regarding that episode: to linda.lennon@liverpool.gov.uk date Jun 8, 2007 10:58 PM subject Fwd: Statement mailed-by gmail.com Hi, I just got back from the gym, it closed at 9 pm. I just had to eat a bit and relax a bit after the work-out, or else I would have sent the email at once. Because what I’m wondering about with the gym, is: Is it really right that there should be female washing-staf in the mens wardrobe at 8.45 pm, when the gym closes at 9pm? This happened again today, and it has also happened once before. I used to workout a bit when I lived in Oslo and Sunderland as well, but they never used to start washing the wardrobe until after the closing hours. So I think that since the gym is run by the Council, I think that they shouldn’t have the washing-routines that includes female staff starting to wash in the mens wardrobe as early as 8.45 pm. I think they should wait until after closing-hours to wash the mens wardrobe, and that if they have to wash, then they could maybe instead wash the machines in the gym or something else before the gym is closed. When I went into the mens wardrobe at 8.45 pm then there was a female washing staff washing there, about 40 years maybe with dark hair. I think she was talking with a colleague in there, it was probably the other washing- woman. I was working out on the tread-mill by the reception untill a bit before 8.45 pm, and then I saw the washing-staff walking around in the reception-area at around 8.40 pm. And one of the washing-staff looked quite young, maybe 16-17 years. I think it must have been her that the washing-woman with dark hair spoke with in the mens wardrobe at 8.45. I don’t think there should be that young female washing staff in the mens wardrobe at 8.45, when the gym closes at 9.00pm. It has happened once earlier as well that there were female washing staff in the mens wardrobe at around 8.45, and I just think that this isnt right. I think that both the staff in the gym and the washing staff should understand by themselves that the female washing staff shouldnt start to wash in the mens wardrobe untill after the closing hours at 9 pm, so thats why I havent complained about this to the staff in the gym or the washing staff. I think that it should be unecessary for me to tell this to them, I think they should have understood this by themselves. And Im not really sure whos in charge there in the evenings eighter. There has also been other incidents at the gym that I have thought to complain about, but I havent untill now. But with the washing-staff in the mens wardrobe again today at 8.45 pm, was a bit like the final drop, so since Im not really sure whos in charge there in the evening I thought that I could send you an email about this. And also since one of the washing women was so young, it makes me a bit worried about whats going on in the gym, when they put a washing woman/ girl that looked like she was maybe 16 or 17 in the mens wardrobe at 8.45pm, so therefore I thought I should really just write the email now, because that this is a bit unacceptable for a gym thats run by the Council. I know its a bit late to send emails at this hour, but it thought that since I think that this way of organising the washing-routines in the gym is a bit unaceptable, I thought that if I sent the email about this right after I got back from the gym, then there would be less possibilites that eg. someone could say that I must have mistaken the time etc, since now its just a quite short time since I left the gym, so I reckoned that its best to send it right away, while I still have the details at mind so to speak. So I hope that this is alright! Sorry that I send the email this late. Regards, Erik Ribsskog – Show quoted text – ———- Forwarded message ———- From: Erik Ribsskog < eribsskog@gmail.com> Date: Jun 8, 2007 3:45 PM Subject: Statement To: linda.lennon@liverpool.gov.uk Hi, I refer to the phone-call earlier today, and send the statement from the bank about the duplicate payment with the direct-debit. Pleare just contact me if there is anything else I should have remembered. Hope that this is alright! Regards, Erik Ribsskog So my questions regarding this is: 1. How come that there are washing women/girls in the mens changing-room at 8.45 pm, when the gym closes at 9 pm? 2. Is the gym going to change its washing-routine, so that the washing women/girls dont start to wash the mens changing-room untill after the gym is closed. (Because like I explained in the e-mail to Linda Lennon, this with the washing women in the mens changing-room has also happened earlier at the Millenium gym, but I’ve never seen it in other gyms). Problems with direct-debit processing errors/duplicate payments: Also, I have been in contact with Lesley Southern, about some problems regarding processing errors/duplicate direct debits from the gym. I explained to him that I would also bring up some the issues regarding this with you, so I think its alright if I also copy the contents of that e-mail: from Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com> hide details Jul 10 (2 days ago) to “Southern, Lesley” <Lesley.Southern@liverpool.gov.uk> date Jul 10, 2007 6:18 PM subject Re: Earlier e-mails mailed-by gmail.com Hi, thank you very much for your answer. I think it was very fine that you had the time to answer me, and I also think that it was very fine that you have taken off my arrears due to the amount of time/inconvinience I have had due to this. But since there were still some things I was wondering about, I thought I could try to send you an enquiery about this, to try to maybe found out about this. I’ve written an explanation below, as comments on your e-mail, since I thought it was easier to explain/answer this way. To summarize my questions: 1. Shouldn’t the gym have asked me first if they wanted to withdraw an extra payment (that they had no mandate for) from my account in June? 2. How come that there were still two payment-requests from the gym waiting to be withdrawn from my account on 27/6, when firstly, the gym only have a mandate to withdraw one monthly payment from my account. Secondly, I had agreed with the staff at the gym, that I would pay the arrears when I recieved the swith-bonus from the bank. And thirdly, I had sent Linda Lennon, Administration Manager at the Council an e-mail about this problem on 8/6, with a copy of the statement from the bank, showing that there was a problem with the gym charging me duplicate payments from my account for the month of June? 3. How come that the gym still wanted to withdraw a (duplicate) payment from my account for the month of July, when the gym was closed for refurbishment for six weeks from 25/6? I’m also going to contact the Duty Officer at the gym regarding why the gyms members weren’t informed about the six weeks closure of the gym and more. So it might be that I’ll also ask him about some of the same questions. (Like about why the gym still wanted to charge me even if they were going to be closed etc.) I hope you have the time to answer me about this questions, since I thought some of these things were a bit strange, so it would be nice to be informed about this. So I hope that you bear over with me if I’m asking many questions! Thank you very much in advance! Yours sincerely, Erik Ribsskog On 7/3/07, Southern, Lesley <Lesley.Southern@liverpool.gov.uk > wrote: Erik Your enquiry regarding your direct debit payments has been passed onto myself for further investigation. Unfortunately we cannot refund a payment to a member that has outstanding arrears, this is for audit purposes as we are required to provide details of all miscellaneous payments made to our members. The action we have taken to date is to take your 1 month overpayment as your cancellation fee (which is normally 2 months) and we have taken your arrears off your membership record for the inconvenience caused as a result of the error. – Regarding the overpayment, it wasn’t actually an overpayment, because when the bank saw that it had been a process error/duplicate payment from the gym, then they transferred the duplicate payment back as a ‘interbranch payment’ on 6/6. (Secondly, I think that I shouldn’t recieve a cancellation fee, when the gym suddently closes for 6 weeks for refurbishment. I think that then the gym should have first sent its members a letter about this, put up a poster at the gym about this, and also not charged its members for the month that they are closed, but I have to contact the Duty Officer at the gym about something else, so I’ll bring this up with him.) I have checked the Direct Debit report and it seems that the overpayment dates back to a missed January payment which has been allocated to your account on 30 th May. I will need to speak to our Direct Debit team to determine why a payment for January has been included in June’s Direct Debit report. I’ve been speaking with the staff (including the Manager) at the gym several times about the arrears, and we agreed that I would pay the arrears later, when I recieved some money I was expecting (a switch-bonus from the bank). This was agreed with Craig at the gym, when we set up the direct-debit agreement in May. I spoke with Craig about this on 1/6 as well, since I hadn’t recieved the switch-bonus yet, and then I was informed that the arrear was £70.50, and we agreed that I would pay this when I recieved the money from the bank. So my point is, that they should have told me first if they wanted to withdraw an extra payment from my account on 1/6, so that I could have planned this in advance. Also, this (RBS) bank account was set up in May, so I don’t really understand how a missed direct-debit payment to my old (Barclays) account in Januray, could suddently appear on my RBS-account in June? It seems a bit strange to me that this could happen, when I also had agreed several times with the staff at the gym (in the month of March and then monthly), that I would pay the running bills, and that I’d pay the arrears when I recieved the switch-bonus from RBS. Also I had been told by the staff at the gym, that there was no hurry at all with the arrears, as long as I paid the running bills. – Also the bank told me when I called them in the beginning of June, that the gym wasn’t allowed to withdraw more than one payment a month from my account, since they only had one mandate. – Also, when I called the gym on 26/6, to ask if they were open on 26/6, (since they were closed for no apparent reason on 25/6), then I was told that the gym was closed for refurbishment for six weeks. I then thought that it wasn’t right that the gym should charge me for the month of July, when they were closed. (I also thought they should have informed the members about the six weeks closure). So due to this, I called my bank (the RBS customer-support line) on 27/6 to cancel the direct-debit. I was then told that there were still two direct-debits from the gym on my account, both with the same, reference-number (LIFE 800 1561). – So I was wondering, how come that there were still two payment-requests from the gym waiting to be withdrawn on my account on 27/6, when firstly, the gym only have a mandate to withdraw one monthly payment from my account. Secondly, I had agreed with the staff at the gym, that I would pay the arrears when I recieved the swith-bonus from the bank, and thirdly, I had sent Linda Lennon, Administration Manager at the Council an e-mail about this problem on 8/6, with a copy of the statement from the bank, showing that there was a problem with the gym charging me duplicate payments from my account? Your account has now been set to expired and no payment was requested in July. Well, there were actually two payments requested in July (see above So my questions regarding this is: 3. Shouldn’t the gym have asked me first if they wanted to withdraw an extra payment (that they had no mandate for) from my account in June? 4. How come that there were still two payment-requests from the gym waiting to be withdrawn from my account on 27/6, when firstly, the gym only have a mandate to withdraw one monthly payment from my account. Secondly, I had agreed with the staff at the gym, that I would pay the arrears when I recieved the swith-bonus from the bank. And thirdly, I had sent Linda Lennon, Administration Manager at the Council an e-mail about this problem on 8/6, with a copy of the statement from the bank, showing that there was a problem with the gym charging me duplicate payments from my account for the month of June? Problems around the closure of the gym for six weeks from 25/6 due to refurbishment: 5. How come that the gym still wanted to withdraw a (duplicate) payment from my account for the month of July, when the gym was closed for refurbishment for six weeks from 25/6? 6. How come that there were no letters sent to the members of the gym regarding the closure of the gym for six weeks from 25/6 due to refurbishment? 7. How come that there were no poster in the gym informing the users of the gym that the gym would be closed for six weeks from 25/6 due to refurbishment? 8. How come that there was only a makeshift sign on the entrance-door to the millenium- building saying ‘gym closed’, and nothing more when I went there to work out on the evening on 25/6. (Shouldn’t it have been a proper sign, with information about why the gym was closed, how long the gym was closed for, and not just some makeshift sign written with an ink-marker)? 9. How come that there were no information about the fact that the gym was closed, when I went on the lifestyles website: (www.liverpool.gov.uk/Leisure_and_culture/Sports/Leisure_Centres_and_Pools/Lifestyles_Millennium/index.asp ) on 26/6 (When the gym had been closed since 25/5)? (I can see that it says that the gym is closed there now, but on 26/6, there was no information about the gym being closed at all. I went there to see if it said anything on the website on 26/6, since the gym was closed for no obvious reason on 25/6, but it didn’t say anything about the gym being closed on the website, so I noted down the phone-number to the gym, and called the gym, and they told me that the gym was closed for six weeks due to refurbishment.) 10. How come that members of the gym were charged for the whole month of June, when the gym was closed for refurbishment from 25/6? (Shouldn’t the six days from 25/6 to 30/6 have been deducted from the charge?). Other problems at the gym: Like I wrote in my e-mail to Linda Lennon on 8/6, there had also been other, earlier incidents at the gym which I had thought to complain about. But like I also wrote, it wasn’t always easy to know who it was that was in charge there after the manager had gone home, and him I only spoke with once, since I most often worked out in the evening. And that the incident with the washing girls/women in the mens changing room again within the opening hours was the last drop, so to speak. And then it was easier for me to complain, because then I had her e-mail address from before, since I had sent her a copy of the statement from the bank, to document the problems with the duplicate direct debit/processing error from the gym. So then it was easier for me to complain. I’m going to try explain a bit more about the earlier incidents: Problems with locker: On 26/4, it says in my note-book, I was at the gym. I work with office-work, so I try to work out quite often, and I usually use different lockers at the gym, depending on which locker of the lockers that are free etc. And when one work out 3-5 days a week for some time, and you have a different locker each time, then it could be that one forgets exactly which locker one uses this particular time. And, since only about half of the key-rings with the keys for the lockers had tag-numbers on them, this could be a bit confusing. So when I was finished with the work-out, and I went to the area of the changing-room where my locker was, then the locker wouldn’t open. Like I wrote, I use different lockers each time, depending on which lockers that are free, where in the changing-room it is less crowded etc. So it isn’t that easy to be exactly sure if it is that particular locker, especially since the key-ring to the locker (like about half of the other key-rings, i noticed later), lacked a number-tag on it, to specify which locker it belonged to. I usually dont keep things like my wallet etc. in the locker, since its a big gym, always many people there, and I would get a lot of inconvienience if something happened to my wallet etc., so I didn’t keep the most ‘valuble’ things in the locker. I use to keep my note-book with my wallet, so I had my note-book still on me, and I thought it was a bit embarresing going to the reception explaining that I coultn’t find my locker, so I decided to be 100% sure before I did that. So, I just wrote down the numbers of all the lockers in my note-book, and then I checked each and every locker, and crossed the number for that locker in my note-book. I made sure to check each lock thoroughly. So, when I had checked each lock in the changing-room, and the key didn’t fit in any of them, then I went to the reception to explain. It was still quite embarresing, but at least now I had the note-book to show that I had tryed all of the locks. There were about 5 or 6 people sitting in the reception, and the woman in charge, told Neil to help me with this. I explained to Neil that maybe the smartest thing for me would be to return at closing-time, when all the other users of the gym had gone home, then it would only be one locker left to check. I was holding my note-book still, so I wrote down that Neil started acting a bit like a sergeant in the army, knocking his fist into the side of the enterance to the changing-room and screaming /comanding: ‘come here’. I thought this behaviour was a bit peculiar, but I went after him into the changing-room, and then he starting to ask if I had been having a few beers. (Since I couldnt remember the number for the locker). I asked him what his name was, and wrote it down. Then I showed him that I had tryed all the lockers, and that noone worked, and that there wasnt any number-tag on the key-chain for the locker. He asked me which locker I thought it was, and I told him that I thought it was the number 156 one. (It says in my note-book). So he asked me to give him the key, so that he could try the number 156 locker and the surrounding lockers. But he couldnt manage to open any of them, so he went to find the master-key. This took a bit of time, but he returned and then opened the locker with the new key. It was locker 156, and I showed him in my note-book that I had already tryed to open locker 156 with the key, because I had crossed out that number in the note-book. Neil said that ‘the locks often get stuck.’, I can see from my note-book. I found a new locker (since I didnt have the key any longer to the 156 one), and Neil reminded me to remember the key-number. I told him that I thought that there should be key-tags on the key-rings for the lockers. Also, the next time I went to the gym, the woman in charge reminded me that I should remember the key-number, and then I told the woman in charge that I thought that there should be key-tags on the key-rings. (But there still wasnt done anything with this problem, and about half of the key-rings were still missing a key-tag for the remainder of the time I was working out at the gym). So my questions regarding this is: 11. How come there are so much problems with the locks getting stuck in the lockers? I mean, surely the gym bought new lockers when they opened? And its the Millennium building gym, so the building and the gym can’t be that old? (Did someone buy used lockers for the gym when it opened)? 12. How come the gym doesn’t use oil in the locks for the lockers, if it, like Neil said, is a problem with the ‘locks often get stuck’? 13: And why didn’t the gym put key-tags on the lockers, when about half of the key- tags were missing, and I had spoken about this problem with both Neil and the woman who was in charge there on the day this incident ocured, I think it was on 26/4? Problems with the washing of the machines: When I wrote the e-mail about the problem with the washing women/girls in the mens changing-room in the opening hours, then it came to mind that maybe the washing-should should rather wash the machines, and then wait untill the gym has closed, before they washed the changing-rooms. The reason I thought about this, is because I remembered an incident from when I was working out, I think it must have been in April or May. Then I was working out at the thread-mill, and this was I seem to remember hours before closing-time. There were a couple of washing-ladys there, even if it was still a few hours until closing-time. They were just walking around a bit, seemingly not certain on the routine. But then one of the washing ladies started to wash the stepping-machine in front of me. But what I thought was a bit strange, was that she only washed the tip of one of the handles of the stepping machine, and then nothing else. This she did twice with a few minuttes inbetween. Other than that, I couldn’t see that eighter she or her collegue washed any of the other machines. (They looked a bit lost there, walking around with their buckets while the gym was still quite crowded, since it was hours till closing-time.) My question regarding this is: 14: Shouldn’t the washing-staff put up a sign near the machines when they wash them during the time of which the gym is open? Couldn’t people get hurt if they work out on machines that are slippery from being washed? I seem to remember from other places I’ve been working etc., that yellow plastic signs are being put on the floor etc., saying that one have to be careful since its newly washed, so shouldn’t the washing staff in the gym also do this when they clean the machines within the opening hours? Problems with staff: Like I’ve written, there have been some incedents before that I have wondered if I should complain about, but I’m not always sure whos in charge there, so this makes it a bit more tricky to complain, and I’ve also had the problem with the arrears on my membership, and the manager let me work out there and pay the arrears later, so there was a threshold before I would complain. But I wrote down in my note-book a couple of things I reacted on anyway. I was wondering a bit what was going on there, e.g. on 24/5 Craig and a blond girl sits in the reception. Only Craig logs in the members, even if there is a long queue. The girl is only watching. (I think maybe she is his girlfriend, since I noticed them sitting very close once when I wanted to log in). So I was wondering, if there is a long queue, surely both of them could log in the users of the gym, so that they wouldn’t have to wait in a line, like if some of the customers are there to sign up for a membership, then still everyone have to wait in one line, even if there are more staff at work. So then I was wondering what is the girl doing there, if she cant log in the customers, and is only sitting watching. And I think she had been working there a while then, so I dont think she was on training. So this seemed a bit strange to me, so I thought I could mention it while Im writing this e-mail anyway. Also, I remember, that one Friday I was working out there, then they annonced the closing of the gym like this: ‘The gym will be closing in 60 minutes’, ‘The gym will be closing in 45 minutes’, ‘The gym will be closing in 30 minutes’, ‘The gym will be closing in 15 minutes’. I think it was the same girl, but it seemed like it was Craig that told her to say it. Normally they only say ‘The gym will be closing in 20 minuttes’, or something like this, so I thought I could mention this as well, even if its maybe not so important what they say on the calling-system in the Friday evenings? Anyway, I thought I could mention it while I was writing the e-mail anyway. My question to this is: 15. How come the staff only sits watching while the customers are standing in line? 16. Shouldn’t the staff have name-tags, where it said name and title, so that it would be easier for the users of the gym to know who to speak with regarding different problems. (So that they know who are in charge)? (For instance, on the day when there were washing girls/women in the mens changing room, and they must have been there from around 8.40 pm. or earlier, because I went in there on 8.45 pm, and then they were well into their routine it looked like, before I turned and went home. On that day (8/6), the staff that were working around closing-time, was Neil, a young girl that wears high-healed shoes and blouse, and a man around 40 years maybe that I think could maybe is the girls father, because I saw him standing very close to the girl once. I thought maybe the girl was in a kind of responsible position there, since she wear office-clothes, but the guy in his forthies I reckon also could be in charge there, since hes the oldest etc., and also Neil I reckoned could have been in charge, since he has access to the master-keys etc. So its a bit embarrasing asking about whos in charge, because you wouldn’t want to offend anyone, with asking whos in charge, and then its actually that person who is in charge. I don’t say that it is impossible for the customers of the gym to find out whose in charge, but I thought that it could maybe add to the general level of customer-service at the gym if the staff was wearing name-tags. I wrote down a note of who that was working that day, so that I would know later, since I wrote the e-mail that day with the complaint about the washing-staff in the chaning-room, so I thought I’d write it down, in case it became an issue.) 17. Should they really anounce that the gym is closing in 60 minutes, and that the gym is closing in 45 minutes etc.? Problems with direct-debit agreement on 13/12/06: While I was looking for some notes before I started writing this e-mail now, I found a letter from the gym from 8/12/06. I’ll just write what it says: ‘Dear Mr. Ribsskog, RE: Lifestyles Membership No: LDD121346 As a valued Lifestyles member, I was surprised to find that your monthly Lifestyles subscription of £23.50 due earlier this month has not been paid. You may be aware of this already and have made payment at the Lifestyles centre, if so, please accept my apologies. If you have not paid these arrears, I would ask that you pay them at your earliest convienience by contacting your nearest Lifestyles Centre. Your membership account can be updated at any of the centres and you can pay either by cash, cheque, credit or debit card. Please contact Liverpool Direct on 0151 233 3007 for the number of your nearest Lifestye centre. I regret that until any arrears have been paid, standard admission charges will apply and you will lose the benefits of your membership. Yours feithfully Steve Kneale Business Development Manager’. (I write quite fast, so I thought I could just write it down, so that it would be easier to understand what I meant.) There were some problems regarding me switching from a Barclays Cashcard account to a Barclays Current-account at around the end of November/beginning of December 2006. The problem was that my pay from work was switched to the new current-account, whereas the direct-debits remained connected to the old account. I was in a busy period with work etc., so I didnt think about this problem before I got a letter from the bank about it. So I went to the bank, and transfered all my direct-debits from my old Barlays cashcard account, and to my new Barclays current/visa account. The clerk in the bank did this for me, it was a quite routine operation it seemed to me. Exept for the Lifestyles direct-debit for some reason. This direct-debit had been canceled right away, in a way so that the clerk in the bank couldnt transfer it to the new account. And when I went to the gym on 13/12, I had to pay the charge for Decemeber at the gym, and it wasn’t possible for me to just switch the existing direct-debit agreement from my old Barlays Cashcard account to my new Barclays Current account, but I had to fill out a new form all over again to set up the new direct debit agreement on my new account. I accept that it was my fault with forgetting to transfer the direct-debit to the new account (It was some comunication-problem at work, with me informing work that I had got a new bank-account, but with work not giving me any feedback on that they had changed my account information in the payment system). But because of the later problem with the direct debits now in June, I thought I could ask a couple of questions regarding this as well, while I’m at it, so to speak. 18: How come that the gym canceled my direct-debit between 1/12 and 8/12, and sent me a letter on 8/12, where it said that I had to go to the gym and pay in cash, when I had never had any payment problems with the gym before this, and all the other direct-debits were possible to switch (for the clerk at the bank to my new account), except the gyms direct-debit? Shouldn’t the gym have tryed to collect the payment from my account again 7-14 days later, like the clerk in the bank told me that the other companies did? 19: Why did I have to write my signature on, and fill out a new form all over again on 13/12, for a new direct-debit. Didn’t the gym have all my information from before, have one got to fill out and sign a new form just because one gets a new account-number, when one are still using the same bank? (The signature of the women I spoke with on the gym on 13/12/06, looks like it says Probert as a last name by the way, in case that makes it any easier to find out about this. I remember I thought it was strange that I had to fill out the form all over again, just because of the problem of the one payment due to the problems with changing the direct-debits and my pay from work to the new account, in a coordinated way. Because it didn’t seem to be a similiar problem with the other companies that also had direct-debits on my account, so therefore I remember that I thought that this was a bit strange. And now, due to the other problems with the direct-debits again, now in June, I thought I’d just ask about the earlier problems, since they came to mind now. also this: How come I got a letter sent 8 days after the missed payment in December, where as later, in January, February and March (with the new direct-debit set up on 13/12), I didn’t get a letter at all. It went on for two or three months, it must have been, before someone reminded me that there were arrears on my membership. I was quite busy in this time-periode, even if I was unemployed, so I didn’t have so much money then, so I should maybe have spoken with the staff about this myself, but I much problems with paying my rent etc., and I was glad to have the oppertunity to work-out, since it was a bit stressing not having a job, and it helped to work-out to relax from the stress. And also, the staff gave different information to me regarding the arrears. The girl wearing office-wear, and who worked on 8/6, for instance, told me on one occation that it wasn’t a hurry paying the arrears at all. (As long as I paid the running bills, which I did). And other members of staff, Craig for instance, told me that I had to pay the arrears before a certain date, (I spoke with the manager and got an extension, and later I agreed with Craig that I would pay the arrears when I got first the loan I was promised from the bank, and later the switch-bonus I was promised from the bank.) So the questions regarding this: 20: How come in December I get a letter for not paying after 8 days, where as in the new year, it goes in the region of two or three months without recieving a letter or reminder from the staff, even if I worked out several times a week? 21: How come one member of the staff (the girl with the office-wear who worked on 8/6), says that there is no hurry with the arrears, where as another member of staff (Craig), says that I have to pay before this and this date? How is this really supposed to be, according to the rules? (I appriciate very much that I was allowed to work out at the gym even if I had arrears, so it’s not because I am ungrateful that I ask about these things. It’s just that due to the other problems, with the washing-women/girls in the changing room, and the problems with the continuing processing errors and duplicate payments with the direct debits. And also due to the problems surrounding the unanounced closure of the gym for six weeks due to refurbishment. Due to these problems, I thought it would be best to mention all the other problems while I was at it. Even if some of these problems aren’t maybe that serious in themselves, I anyway thought that they were worth bringing up, because, I think, thay add to a general picture of things at the gym being a bit out of hand, so due to this I’m a bit concerned about whats really going on at the gym, and then I thought it would be best to mentioned all the things that came to mind, because these things, even if it isn’t clear to me here and now that there for certain is a problem conected with them, it could be a problem, so I thought it would be the most responsible thing to do, to also add the latter part of the problems, the ones that are mentioned under the title ‘other problems’. So even if it was the first five or ten questions that made me go to the step of complaining. Even so, I hope you have the oppertunity to answer me about the last part of the questions as well. Sorry again that this e-mail got a bit delayed. I know I said I’d send it no latter than Wednesday, but I reckon that as long as I send it before the office hours on Thursday, then it hopefully should be ok. I’ll also forward this e-mail to Linda Lennon and Lesley Southern, since I’ve been copying the e-mails I’ve sent to them earlier, in this e-mail now. Hope that this is alright, and that you bear over with me if some of the last questions wasn’t as well stated as they should have been, due to time problems etc. Hope that this is alright! Yours sincerely, Erik Ribsskog
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    plaintalkerNovice memberJoined: 03 Jul 2007Posts: 54
    Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:12 pm Post subject:

    I’d stay at home if I where you.
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    MoriartyUltra memberJoined: 21 Mar 2007Posts: 1083Location: Maghull
    Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject:

    Or, go to a private Gym. You should know this Council is useless! Everything they touch turns to s**t!
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    johnconsJoined: 25 Jul 2007Posts: 2
    Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:46 pm Post subject:

    On Sunday 5/8, I had a look at the Council website, about what it said about complaints. It said that the Council were supposed to deal with the complaint within two weeks. On Sunday, I had waited almost four weeks, and still hadn’t recieved an answer to the complaint. I reckoned that since the Council had breached the complaints-procedure, then the smartest thing would be to send the complaint to the Council Ombudsman, which I did. Yesterday, I recieved an answer from the Ombudsman, that said something that they didn’t think that the Council had had enough time to answer the complaint, so they had sent it back to the Council. I have been working quite a lot and also had send some other e-mails so I haven’t had time to look that closly at their letter yet. Today, just an hour or two ago, I recieved an answer from the Council, which I answered right away. When I wrote the answer, I also started to think about the letter from the ombudsman, and I also sent them an e-mail, since I wonder a bit about how the Council and the Ombudsman are viewing my complaint from the post above, in regards with the Council complaint procedure. This seems a bit unclear to me, so if anyone could share any light on how this is supposed to be, then please feel free to coment on this. Like I’ve mentioned earlier I think these issues also concerns the other users of the gym and also the people who are paying tax to the council, I think it should be alright to bring up these issues here. So I’ll update with the e-mails from today: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com> hide details 7:56 pm (0 minutes ago) to “Kneale, Steve” <Steve.Kneale@liverpool.gov.uk> date Aug 10, 2007 7:56 PM subject Re: Lifestyles Liverpool complaint. mailed-by gmail.com Hi, thank you very much for your answer. Like I was writing in the complaint to the ombudsman, I think that the council should maybe have answered the complaint in public, since I have brought this things up in public myself, since these are things that concern the other users of the gym, and the people who are paying tax to the council. Also, it would have been very fine if it also was explained why I wasn’t recieving any answer from the Duty Officer, and also why it is that it isn’t him who is answering the complaint. Also, I was wondering if my complaint to the Duty Officer isn’t being regarded as an official complaint? Also I think that all the points in the complaint should have been answered. Even if some of the points are brought up in another e-mail, I’m explaining about this in the complaint, and making it clear that I think it would have been fine to hear what the Duty Officer has to say about this, aswell as hearing what Lesley Southern had to say about this, since I haven’t really been explained what position in the Council he has, and also since all the points have been mentioned together when I’ve comented on the complaint in public, so then I think it would be most apropriate if all the points in the complaint were answered togheter aswell, even if some of the points also has been brought up in another context. Also I think it add to the general overviewabilty of the answer, if the original indexing from the complaint was kept. I haven’t comented on the indiviadual points from the answer here, I think it would be smartest to sort with the issues above first, and then deal with the individual complaints later, if you think this would be alright. Hope that this is alright, and please tell me if there is anything else I need to take into concern, to get my answer in line with your complaint-procedure. Yours sincerely, Erik Ribsskog – Hide quoted text – On 8/10/07, Kneale, Steve <Steve.Kneale@liverpool.gov.uk> wrote: Sir, Please find attached a response to the matters pertaining to Lifestyles Fitness Centres and your recent complaint. Regards Steve Kneale Sport & Recreation Service – Facility Operations Business Development Manager Office location: 1st Floor, Lifestyles Everton Park Great Homer Street Liverpool L5 5PH Tel: +44 (0)151 233 6362 Fax: +44 (0) 151 233 6300 Web: http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/lifestyles Liverpool – European Capital of Culture 2008 ______________________________________________________________________ DISCLAIMER: The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be read, copied or used only by the intended recipient(s). If you have received it in error please contact the sender immediately by returning the e-mail or by telephoning a number contained in the body of the e-mail then and please delete the e-mail without disclosing its contents elsewhere. No responsibility is accepted for loss or damage arising from viruses or changes made to this message after it was sent. The views contained in this email are those of the author and not necessarily those of the author’s employer or service provider. This email has been automatically scanned for viruses and malicious content by MessageLabs for your protection ______________________________________________________________________ 10th August 2007 Enquiries: Steve Kneale Direct Line: 0151 233 6362 Our ref. SK 10Au 07 Mr. E. Ribsskog via e-mail. eribsskog@gmail.com Dear Eric, Thank you for sending us your comments dated 6th August 2007, that have fed into our ‘Have Your Say’ customer feedback system. Your communication raises a number of issues, some of which I understand have resulted in responses. However, if any of your previous communications have not been satisfactorily resolved or even responded to then please accept my sincere apologies. I will however try to address your concerns below. With regard your direct debit subscription to Lifestyles. I am aware of some problems you encountered. In November 2006 we installed a new It system into the Lifestyles centres that did result in a number of problems with collections. These are now resolved and I understand your account is in balance, as advised via e-mail dated 3rd July 2007. Within the Lifestyles Millennium we strive to provide a high quality service. We do employ cleaners who should not have entered the male changing areas when persons were present and we have changed the cleaning regime to stop this happening in future. Cleaning staff, together with the fitness instructors are required to clean all areas including the fitness equipment but not interfere with member’s enjoyment of using the centre. Lifestyles Millennium has been closed since 25th June and will re-open on Monday 13th August 2007 to allow essential repairs in the shower areas. Messages were put on the Wellness system and notices displayed in the facility for 2 weeks prior to closure in accordance with our customer charter. We have informed Liverpool Direct of updates and tried to keep the internet updated as we received feedback from contractors with regards the re-opening date. Members who used Lifestyles Millennium were reimbursed due to its closure and were informed in writing to their home address. All staff are expected to wear identity badges at all times. Although this does not denote their designation nor authority. Members should be encouraged to report any incidents to any member of staff who will attempt to resolve the matter or report it to a senior colleague. If you have any further cause to report a matter at our facilities I would ask you ask to speak with the duty manager. If you feel this is inappropriate at the time, please can you contact me directly, ideally by telephone to discuss at the earliest opportunity. I wish to thank you again for your valued feedback. If you remain dissatisfied with the response to your complaint, please contact me either via e-mail, telephone or in writing, where the matter can be escalated to a further stage. Yours faithfully Steve Kneale Business Development Manager Sport & Recreation Service steve.kneale@liverpool.gov.uk 07/c/06289/RA/ch Reply Reply to all Forward Print Add Erik to Contacts list Delete this message Show original Message text garbled? from Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com> hide details 8:05 pm (39 minutes ago) to st3 york <st3york@lgo.org.uk> date Aug 10, 2007 8:05 PM subject 07/c/06289/RA/ch mailed-by gmail.com Hi, thank you very much for your answer to my complaint regarding the problems at the Council gym. It was just one thing I was wondering about, and that was if my complaint to the Duty Officer at the gym isn’t being regarded as an official complaint? It would be very fine if you please have the oppertunity to make this clear to me! Thank you very much in advance, and thank you very much for you help again! Yours sincerely, Erik Ribsskog
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