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Måned: februar 2008

  • Dagbladet Message Board, 14/2. (In Norwegian).

    RE: Ingen personlig tragedie
    Skrevet av Anna Lindh 14.02.2008 kl. 22:25

    Jeg må le! M er avslørt som en , ja, lystløgner nærmest. Er dette norsk framtid?

    Jeg setter pris på våre nye landsmenn (for å uttrykke det slik) , gjennom frivillig og ubetalt arbeid som Røde Kors flyktningeguide. Jeg har lært mange å kjenne, og alle har de vært ærlige, arbeidssomme mennesker.

    Ellers må jeg si at hvis vi rasjonaliserte bitte litt med arbeidskraften, hadde vi klart oss meget godt uten innvandring.

    Jeg skal ikke spesifisere nøyere hva jeg tenker på, men slik er det. Det er mange norske arbeidsplasser som er ren “sysselsetting”.

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    anbefalingerBra! RE: Ingen personlig tragedie
    Skrevet av cons 15.02.2008 kl. 00:01

    Nei, det hørtes fornuftig ut det du skriver der.

    Det var mange gode poenger.

    Offentlig sektor, sysselsetter jo halve arbeidsstyrken, så det er mulig vi kunne ha adminstrert halve Europa, hvis man ønsket, med Norges offentlige sektor.

    Så det er nok helt sikkert en papirflytter eller to, som istedet kunne begynt å være bussjåfør, etc.

    Ellers, så er jeg flyktning fra Norge jeg faktisk.

    Her sommeren 2005, så ble jeg jaget fra gården til onkelen min i Kvelde, utenfor Larvik, av folk med våpen og hunder, og som jeg ikke er helt sikker på om var kriminelle eller fra myndighetene.

    Men myndighetene vil i hvertfall ikke hjelpe meg, så nå i det siste har jeg tenkt på, at jeg burde jo søren meg ta kontakt med flyktninge-organisasjoner her borte i Storbritannia.

    Har tatt kontakt med Amnesty og Human Right Watch, men jeg har ikke klart å få så mye hjelp enda, selv om jeg har fått litt råd fra Engelske Amnesty.

    Har du noe råd om hvilke flyktningeorganisasjoner man burde kontakte i England eller?

    På forhånd takk for svar!

    http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/2008/02/14/526965.html#comments_container

  • Lofoten. (In Norwegian).

    Ingen personlig tragedie
    Skrevet av Fremtiden 14.02.2008 kl. 20:54

    Manuela er fremtidens politiker.Dette er ingen personlig tragedie, men en tragedie for det politiske Norge som via “retoriske overfortolkninger” klarer å gjøre noe så enkelt som “middag med en bekjent” til all verdens kriminalitet. Norge er multikulturellt, det suser inn i fremtiden og er avhengig av arbeidsinnvandring (for at du og jeg skal få ha sjefsjobber,og andre jobber,ok,da),for å beholde arbeidsplasser i Norge, forebygge utflagging, ta integrering på alvor og godta at slik er det)

    At noen fremstiller dette, med all den politiske mer eller mindre “uskyldighet” som politikere liker å fremstille seg med, ikke minst de borgerlige(er borgerlig) er totalt mangel på hvilke utfordringer Norge, Europa og verden står overfor i fremtiden med den folkevandring som foregår. MANUELA RAMIN -OSMUNDSEN er en politiker for fremtiden, en GULLGRUVE for det partiet som klarer å “kapre henne”.;med sin kunnskap,interkulturelle/globale bakgrunn og kunnskap(utdannelse).Danner hun parti, stemmer jeg, og mange ,på henne.

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    anbefalingerBra! RE: Ingen personlig tragedie
    Skrevet av hmmm 14.02.2008 kl. 20:55

    Håper dette er sarkasme…

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    anbefalingerBra! RE: Ingen personlig tragedie
    Skrevet av Fremtiden 14.02.2008 kl. 21:02

    nei,dette er ramme alvor,jeg klarte å kvitte meg med nisseluen,omsider,etter noen turer i utlandet, og ser hvilke utfordringer de står overfor.Vi må ikke tro at Norge overlever på nasjonalromantikk

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    anbefalingerBra! RE: Ingen personlig tragedie
    Skrevet av Svein 14.02.2008 kl. 20:57

    Hvilket parti vil synke så lavt at de vil ta den løgneren inn i varmen og gi henne et tillitsverv på høyt plan?

    Ja kansje Sv. etter valget er desperate nok, og der er det mange løgnere fra før.

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    anbefalingerBra! RE: Ingen personlig tragedie
    Skrevet av Fremtiden 14.02.2008 kl. 21:04

    Se hva som skjer i AMERIKA,NEI, ETT NYTT PARTI I NORGE, SOM KAN LØSE fremtidens UTFORDRINGER

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    anbefalingerBra! RE: Ingen personlig tragedie
    Skrevet av cons 14.02.2008 kl. 21:17

    Har hun ikke løyet for statsministeren og landet da?

    Jeg synes ikke slike løgner er bagateller.

    Det virker som om du bagatelliserer disse løgnene.

    Man må kunne stole på statsrådene, hvis de blir grepet i løgn for sjefen og landet, så er de vel ikke spisbare mer som politiske ledere(?)

    Og hun har visst vært i noe skandale før også, i Innvandrerverket.

    Så jeg tviler nok litt på om hun her Ramin-Osmundsen er fremtidens poltiske leder.

    Da tror jeg det er noe galt med fremtiden.

    Hun tilhører vel heller fortiden, som politisk leder, skulle man vel tro, og også håpe, når man ser det tullet hun driver med.

    Og begynner å lure på om det være noe kos på bakrommet, som er årsaken til dette tullet med barneministeren.

    Dette er vel litt slag under beltestedet, men likevel, når det er snakk om statsråder osv., så er det vel lov å ta opp ting som dette.

    Særlig når folk mener at hun fortsatt er fremtidens leder.

    At, hun ser vel mer ut som en mann, gjør hun ikke det da?

    Hvorfor ville hun hive ut han Bjartmann, eller hva han heter.

    Alle barneombud har sittet i åtte år, untatt Bjartmann, som Osmundsen ville hive ut etter fire år, med en mer eller mindre troverdig begrunnelse.

    Kan det være at hun ville ha en pen dame der i stedet?

    Var det et forhold på si, mellom Osmundsen og Kraby?

    Er det et arrangert ekteskap Ramin-Osmundsen er i?

    Hva er det som foregår i bakgrunnen?

    Hvorfor vil Osmundsen riskere hele sin politiske fremtid for å få Kraby inn i stillingen som barneombud?

    Jeg lurer på om det kan ha vært mer i bakgrunnen, enn at dem bare har vært i samme bursdagselskap.

    Hva skjedde egentlig når Osmundsen besøkte Kraby i Lofoten?

    Det tror jeg sikkert Eia og Tufte-Johansen kunne ha lagd noe morsomt om.

    Uten at jeg kjenner noe særlig til hva som har foregått, men jeg synes nesten man kan mistenke at det er mer som har foregått, enn som har kommet ut, eller inn, bare fleiper, og jeg mistenker også, at dette kunne man sikkert ha laget masse artige humor-programmer om.

    Uten at jeg vet dette i detalj da, så det må jeg selvfølgelig da forbehold om.

    Men hun dama prater vel ikke engang flytende norsk, gjør hun det da?

    Burde ikke det være et krav til statsråder?

    At de prater flytende norsk?

    Men samme det, man kan vel ikke forlange av denne regjeringen, at de skal klare å finne kandidater som prater flytende norsk.

    Nå må jeg ta forbehold om at jeg egentlig ikke kjenner saken da.

    Og at jeg bare skriver det jeg har inntrykk av, etter å lest litt i nyhetene.

    Men du kan kanskje rette opp det jeg skriver som er feil da.

    Så beklager hvis jeg har skrevet noe feil!

    http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/2008/02/14/526965.html#comments_container

  • E-mail to CAB, 11/2.

    Complaint
    14 February 2008
    12:13
    Subject
    Complaint
    From
    Erik Ribsskog
    To
    sue.thomas@citizensadvice.co.uk
    Sent
    11 February 2008 10:47

    Hi,

    I’ve been filing a complaint against the Liverpool Central CAB, and I’ve also been
    apealing to The Chair there.

    In the last letter/e-mail from them, I was told that I could contact the Complaints
    Officer, at Midleton House, I think it was.
    The problem is, that I’ve already been in contact with the Complaints Officer,
    regarding some problems with the Liverpool Central CAB, not answering
    the complaint, within the earlier mentioned date.
    And then, I didn’t get answers back, to the e-mails, that I sent the Complaints
    Officer.

    Then I didn’t know who to contact regarding this problem, so then I sent an
    e-mail to the CEO or Managing Director in your organisation, because I
    found the name on your website.
    It was to someone on the top of higher management.

    (I’m sorry I haven’t got all the names etc. in my head now, I’m a bit in a hurry,
    with delays with my work etc., sorry about this!).

    And then, after this, I got answered back from the Liverpool Central CAB,
    but they didn’t say if this was due to my correspondence with the officials
    at Middleton House.

    After I got the last letter from the The Chair, at Liverpool Central CAB, I
    was adviced to contact the Complaints Officer.
    But due to the mentioned earlier problems, I’ve been in contact with HR,
    on 0207 833 2181, several times last month.

    And I was told, on 30/1, that you where the line-manager, of the Complaints
    Officer, that I had been having problems with, last year, regarding not
    getting answers back to my correspondence.

    I’ve been a bit busy the last days, with work etc., but I called back to HR
    today, to get your e-mail address, since I had orginially planned to send
    a letter, but it turned out that it was bit low on printer-ink etc., unfortunatly,
    for the printer, so I thought I could maybe send an e-mail.

    I’m going to forward copies of the mention correspondence with the CAB.

    Thanks in advance for the help, and sorry about the problem with not sending
    this in the form of a letter, due to the unfortunate problems with the ink etc.

    Hope this is alright!

    Yours sincerely,
    Erik Ribsskog

  • E-mail to CAB, 11/2.

    Fwd: Problems with the CAB
    14 February 2008
    12:09
    Subject
    Fwd: Problems with the CAB
    From
    Erik Ribsskog
    To
    sue.thomas@citizensadvice.org.uk
    Sent
    11 February 2008 11:02

    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>
    Date: Aug 16, 2007 9:58 PM
    Subject: Fwd: Problems with the CAB
    To: david.harker@citizensadvice.org.uk

    Hi,

    I can’t see that I have recieved an answer to this e-mail yet.

    I reackon that it’s probably a letter on the way in the post, but I send this e-mail anyway,
    just in case.

    Hope that this is alright!

    Yours sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog

    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>
    Date: Aug 3, 2007 3:56 PM
    Subject: Problems with the CAB
    To: david.harker@citizensadvice.org.uk

    Hi,

    I’m a Norwegian living in Britain, who has had some problems with the contact with the CAB.

    I’ve contacted your complaints-department, and the Complaints Officer regarding these problems.
    The complaint was sent to my local CAB, but they didn’t reply within due course.

    Then I contacted the Complaints Officer twice, and asked how I should go forward when the
    local CAB didn’t send an answer to my complaint.

    I’ve sent two e-mails to the Complaints Officer regarding this, one on 5/7 and one on 22/7, but
    I haven’t recieved any reply.

    I was adviced by the Norwegian Embassy to contact the CAB regarding these problems.

    And the problems in the complaint surrounds issues that also has to do with different Government
    and other institutions, like the police and the law-society, and due to this and the nature of
    the problems, I think that this issues should be dealt with responsably.

    I tryed to find out about how the CAB was organized on the CAB website, I didn’t manager to find
    an organisation-chart, but from reading on the CAB website, it looks to me that you are the
    line-manager of the Complaints Officer.
    So, thats why I’m sending this enquiery to you, I’m very sorry if it has been sent to the wrong
    person, but I think that the CAB should answer peoples e-mails, since the CAB are working
    on issues regarding induvidual rights, then I think one propably has the right to get an answer
    when one contacts the CAB. And also due to that I think

    So sorry if I’m sending this e-mail to the wrong person.

    I’m going to forward the e-mails with the correspondence with the Complaints Officer.

    Hope that you have the time to help with this, and sorry again if I have sent this to wrong
    address!

    Yours sincerely,
    Erik Ribsskog

  • E-mail to CAB, 11/2.

    Fwd: Complaint
    14 February 2008
    12:05
    Subject
    Fwd: Complaint
    From
    Erik Ribsskog
    To
    sue.thomas@citizensadvice.org.uk
    Sent
    11 February 2008 11:03

    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>
    Date: Aug 3, 2007 3:00 PM
    Subject: Fwd: Complaint
    To: david.harker@citizensadvice.org.uk

    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>
    Date: Jul 22, 2007 6:48 AM
    Subject: Fwd: Complaint
    To: “Follows, Saffron” <saffron.follows@citizensadvice.org.uk>

    Hi,

    I can’t see that I have recieved an answer to this e-mail yet, so I’m trying to forward it again.

    Hope that this is alright!

    Yours sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog

    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Erik Ribsskog < eribsskog@gmail.com>
    Date: Jul 5, 2007 2:28 PM
    Subject: Re: Complaint
    To: “Follows, Saffron” < Saffron.Follows@citizensadvice.org.uk>

    Hi,

    Thank you very much for your answer!

    I haven’t heard anything from the CAB about this yet, so I was just wondering
    what you think I should do if I don’t hear from them one of the next days.

    I hope you have the time to answer me about this.

    Thank you very much again.

    Yours sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog

    On 5/31/07, Follows, Saffron < Saffron.Follows@citizensadvice.org.uk> wrote:
    Dear Mr Ribsskog,

    I have contacted Liverpool Central CAB who have located the case notes of your visit to the bureau. The manager of Liverpool CAB will now investigate the points you have raised about the bureau and will send their findings to you within the next 20 working days.

    Yours sincerely,

    Saffron Follows
    Complaints & Policy Officer
    —–Original Message—–
    From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto: eribsskog@gmail.com]
    Sent: 23 May 2007 04:59
    To: Follows, Saffron
    Subject: Complaint

    Hi,

    I’m refering to my phone-call on Friday 18/5, and I’m sending a complaint against
    the CAB in Dale St., Liverpool.

    I enclose a file called ‘explanation CAB’, in which the problems are explained.

    The last part of the explanation contains a section called ‘Complaints against
    the CAB, Dale St., Liverpool’, in which the complaints are listed and indexed.

    There is also a section called ‘The complaint-process so far’, in which this is
    explained about in more detail.

    Please just contact me if there is something else I should have remembered
    regarding the complaint.

    Yours Sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog

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  • E-mail to CAB, 14/2.

    Re: Complaint about Liverpool CAB
    14 February 2008
    11:26
    Subject
    Re: Complaint about Liverpool CAB
    From
    Erik Ribsskog
    To
    Thomas, Sue
    Sent
    14 February 2008 11:22

    Hi,

    thank you very much for your answer!

    It sounds very good, that you’ll have a look at the complaint.

    I’m in a very busy periode at work at the moment, so I won’t go into to detail about the problems there.
    Except for two things that come to mind.

    1. The e-mail address, that is on Liverpool Central CAB’s website, is incorrect. (It’s to do with the the ending,
    after the dot, they have changed the provider of the e-mail addresses is seems, but they haven’t updated the
    website).

    2. The CAB representative lied in the complaint-answer.
    He said that he had turned the lights on, at CAB. (I think it’s very strange that the CAB let people in to their
    premisses, without turning on the lights there first).
    He said he had turned the lights on, at the beginning of the meeting.
    But that’s not right, he turned the lights on, close to the end of the meeting.
    Eg. he read me the number to the law-firm, in the dark.
    And it turned out he had read the law firms fax-number to me.
    Which must have been because it was to dark to read properly there.
    So this, the representative says, that he turned the lights on, before the meeting/at the beginning of the meeting,
    isn’t right at all.
    More of half of the meeting was being held in the dark there, with a level of light, thats was like twilight, in the way
    that it wasn’t possible to read.

    I had to put a folded I had picked up away, since it was to tirering to read it, due to the lights being switched off.

    And also it seemed like it was some kind of plot.
    With a young girl, maybe 12-13 y.o. standing outside the CAB, in the stairs, in an office-building, for no appearent
    reason.
    And then the lights being turned off in the CAB-premisses.
    Me being the only person there, for about 5-10 minutes.
    Then the representative, who seemed clear to me, to be homosexual, started having the meeting in the dark.

    Close to the end of the meeting, the lights were turned on.

    Then, the woman working there, with dark hair, and in her fifties, went into the reception.
    She was just standing there, not doing any work.
    Only scanning my face, when I left the CAB premisses, as to see, if I had reacted on the CAB representative
    and/or the girl outside.
    So it seemed a bit like being in a Clockwork Orange-esque movie, of some type.
    But I’m going to have a closer look at the complaint, in two or three weeks time, when I’m finished with the
    busy periode at work.
    If you think that’s alright.

    Also, I was wondering, about Complaint Officer Saffron Follows.
    This because, when the Liverpool Central CAB, last year, failed to answer the complaint, before the
    time they had said they would answer the complaint.

    Then I contacted Follows, on two occations, asking what was wrong, since the CAB, didn’t answer me.

    But Follows didn’t reply back to me, at all.
    So I was wondering then, if it’s right that she should be involved, since I a bit question what went on
    last year, when I contacted Follows on several occations, without being answered.

    So I was wondering a bit what you were thinking about this.

    I was wondeing if this wasn’t maybe a couse for complaint.
    And that Follows, due to this, already is involved, in the way, that she is the subject of a complaint,
    that has to do with the file you have asked for from the Liverpool Central CAB.

    I’m questioning a bit, if it’s right that Follows should be involved now, when there have been problems,
    that seems to be cause for a complaint, regarding Follow’s involvment in this case, from before.

    I’m not sure if you agree with me in this.
    But I hope you understand what I mean, and that you have the time to have a look at this, and answer
    me back regarding this.

    Hope this is alright, and thanks in advance for the help!

    Yours sincerely,
    Erik Ribsskog

    On 2/13/08, Thomas, Sue <Sue.Thomas@citizensadvice.org.uk> wrote:
    All CABx use a standard complaints process. Initially, the manager is involved (Stage 1), then the Chair (Stage 2). After this if you are not happy with the outcome of the Chair’s review, the next step is a review carried out under the direction of the Citizens Advice Chief Executive.
    I believe that is the next stage on your complaint. Therefore Saffron Follows (Complaints’ Officer) has asked Liverpool CAB for a copy of their file on your complaint and the file on the advice you were given. Once we have this we will be clear that our assumption on what next is correct.
    What would help us would be for you to let us have a clear statement of why you are not satisfied with the Chair’s response. This will give us the basis on which to look at the way your comlaint has been handled.
    Thanks
    Sue Thomas
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  • Handlingslammet. (In Norwegian).

    Hva kommer det av at det alltid er amerikanerne som må ordne opp, når det er problemer et sted?

    F.eks. Bosnia, eller Kosovo, eller hvor det var, så måtte Nato og Amerikanerne ordne opp.

    Er det fordi de europeiske landene er så fulle av mafia, at de er helt handlingslamma?

    Det at vi hører på nyhetene, at mafiaen blir bekjempet og tatt ned, i land som USA og Italia.

    Betyr det at det er der problemene finnes.

    Eller betyr det, at dette er de eneste landene, som tar problemene på alvor, og som har god nok kontroll til å drive med bekjempelse av mafia i offentlighet?

    Jeg skal ikke si at det er sånn det er, men jeg begynner kanskje å få en mistanke.

    Uten at jeg skal si at jeg har kommet til en konklusjon enda.

  • E-mail to Britishexpats.com, 13/2.

    Re: Reply to thread ‘Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.’
    13 February 2008
    21:16
    Subject
    Re: Reply to thread ‘Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.’
    From
    Erik Ribsskog
    To
    British Expats
    Sent
    13 February 2008 21:14

    Hi,

    I just wondered who it is one should complain to, if one wanted to complain about your message-board?

    Thanks in advance for the help!

    Yours sincerely,
    Erik Ribsskog

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  • Yankees stole girl?

    I think that the Yankees, or someone else, stole a girl from my work-place.

    If one reads the last blog-entry thorowly , especially the link in post#3, then I think this seems clear.

    (It also seem that the police or some goverment must have been telling some lies about me, because there are lots of people harassing me, especially on page 2 in the thread, on the Expat-site, for no reason.

    And I didn’t act out of line.

    I was anoyed, and was direct, but I moderated my language, I wrote f and not the full word.

    But they have banned me and said that I acted unsivil, when I was only defending myself, and standing my ground.

    So I wonder what the police have been telling, behind my back.

    They have no right to talk about me behind my back).

  • Organised attacks on expat-site.

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    johncons
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    Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.

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    Hi,

    I’m really a Nurse living in Britain, but I searched on the internet, regarding some problems I’ve been having, when I tried to go to the USA, in 2005.

    Then I had some problems with the Detroit Imigration Control, and they wrote some text in my passport, and sent me back to Oslo, via Paris.

    Here’s what was written:

    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4082&id=1059338080

    Just now, I searched on the internet, on the text ‘8 CFR 217.4 (a)’.

    And I found this post, on this message-board:

    http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73347

    The post-writer, seems to have been having a similar problem as I had, when I tried to go to the US, for a holiday, two or three months, in February 2005.

    I wanted to rent a car in Detroit, and drive and see a bit of the country.

    But I wasn’t let through the passport-control, and I had to sit an answer questions in a room, for several hours.

    And I suspect they were calling like, the Norwegian government, and things like that.

    I’m not sure exactly what they mean with ‘no ties outside of the US’.

    But if they were afraid that I would exploit the American welfare system, then I think that was a bit strange, since Norway has like a generous, or what the right word is, welfare system.

    But anyway.

    I had a rented storage in Oslo, with City Self Storage there.

    Is that considered a tie outside of the US, I was wondering.

    And I have a grandmother in Norway etc., but I’m not sure if that’s considered a tie.

    The reason I’m wondering how they define ‘a tie’, is that I’m a bit worried, that people, who they define, as not having ‘a tie’, is being played games with, used as ‘target guys’, etc, by the CIA etc.

    So I’m trying to get whatever it is that is going on to stop.

    This is a link, where I’ve been trying to explain what’s going on a bit better:

    http://johncons.trykker.com/2008/02/12/facebook-122-pa-engelsk/

    So, I would be very if someone knows they define ‘a tie’, because it’s sometimes a bit stressful, with whats going on, and I suspect it could be linked with what happened in the Detroit Imigration Control, or what they are called, in 2005.

    So thanks very much in advance for any help!

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    Today, 10:16 am #2
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    Re: Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.

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    So, I would be very if someone knows they define ‘a tie’, because it’s sometimes a bit stressful, with whats going on, and I suspect it could be linked with what happened in the Detroit Imigration Control, or what they are called, in 2005.

    So thanks very much in advance for any help!

    Hi:

    First of all, your facebook link needs a password of some sort.

    “Ties” is equivalent to a home outside of the US which you intend to return to.

    The 8 CFR 217.4(a) notation simply shows that you were refused entry on the Visa Waiver program — please note that this does NOT count as a formal removal. And fortunately, the “no ties” notation shows that there was NO fraud finding.

    The VW is simply an admission under the equivalent of the “B-1/2” non-immigrant categories. [There are some procedural differences]. If you look up section 101(a)(15)(B) of the Immigration & Nationality Act, the very definition of visitor requires that one have home abroad with no intention of abandoning it.

    So the reference to “ties” is to show the existence of a residence abroad AND an intent to return to that residence. And those ties can change. For example, the three month visit at a land border is indication of coming to the US to stay — and it was up to you to show that was not true. BTW, did you have a confirmed ticket out of the US or did you simply plan to return to Canada?

    That said, since you were not formally “removed”, you are entitled to a new determination if you seek to obtain visitor status again.

    You now have proof of an excellent tie to the EC — you have a good job. Do you have other proof of residence in the UK? I’m not familiar with the UK documents that a citizen of another EC country might have that show residence in the UK — driver’s license, Council taxes, etc? That is also good evidence of a residence in the US.

    I hope this helps. It is not all that difficult.
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    Today, 11:00 am #3
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    Re: Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.

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    Hi,

    thank you very much for your answer!

    Here is a link, by the way, wich has a picture of the passport etc:

    http://johncons.trykker.com/2008/02/13/facebook-132-pa-engelsk/

    I’m not really sure if I understand this, but I wasn’t allowed an entry to the USA, because I went there right after my studies in Sunderland, and since I then went to London, and then Holland and Germany.

    And then I bought a ticket from Frankfurt to Detroit.

    And then I wasn’t allowed an entry to the US, since I didn’t have a non-US address, as I understand it now.

    Thats the meaning of ‘a tie’, like I understand it now.

    So if one haven’t got a non-US address, then one shouldn’t go to the US, because then you aren’t going to be let in to the country.

    Thats how I understand it.

    I wasn’t really aware of this at all.

    I had a storage where I had the things I couldn’t bring with me to Sunderland.

    And I really had a British address as well, since I had really agreed with the Univeristy of Sunderland, that I would stay there untill the summer of 2005.

    But there were some problems, with my studiy-finance, and getting the 3rd yeard bachelor computer modules from Sunderland, approved by my home university, HiO, in Oslo.

    So I suspect that there could have been something phoney going on with the study-finance and the approveal of the modules.

    Anyway, these problems, took a bit of the focus away from the lectures etc.

    So I finally recieved my study-finance, in January, about four months late, then I was so behind schedule, that I thought it was smarter to just try to get a job.

    So thats why I went to London.

    And then there were some problems with some criminal networks, or something like that, there as well, it seemed, so I had to move on.

    And after a while, I got a bit tired of these problems, that I didn’t really understand, so I thought I could maybe go to the US, because I didn’t think I would be having problems with being recognised everywhere, like it seemed a bit like I was having a problem with in Europe.

    In Detroit, they said that I couldn’t use the visa, that in a way is in the electronic passport that I’ve got, any longer, since I had no lost that possiblity, due to the mentioned problems.

    And there has almost been nothing but problems with government/intelligence, something like that, after this episode, so I suspect that they could be linked.

    Also, when I got to Oslo, from Detroit, via Paris, then my suitcase wasn’t there.

    I had to wait untill the next day for my suitcase.

    It appeared then, that some homeland security, or something like that, had withheld my suitcase, since I had a lighter there, together with all my other stuff, from Sunderland.

    And also, they said there, in Detroit, that if I didn’t go to Oslo, via Paris, or to London (to which I didn’t want to go, due to the mentioned problems), then I had to stay in prison there, untill the next day.

    I didn’t want to start having habbits like going to prison, so I thought it sounded smartest to go to Oslo, even if I think it would have a bit fun to maybe see a bit of the US, on the way to and from prison.

    But maybe they would have just put me in a car, from which one couldn’t look out.

    So I didn’t actually have a return-ticket, but I had the study-finance money, from Sunderland.

    Because I thought it would be smarter to use the money, to get a new job and a flat etc., than continue, with the models there, since I was so behind schedule then, so I don’t really think I would had a chance of passing all the exams anyway.

    So I just tried to use my head really, and then contact the University, when I had settled, in London, like I had planned.

    But this didn’t go like I had planned it, and I had some problems with my face (long story), on top of this as well, so I just wanted to get a way a bit from the problems, so I thought it could be a good idea, to get away from Europe a few months, and then maybe my face would be better, and could try to get a job etc, when I returned, after a few months.

    But I didn’t really understand, why it seemed, that I was recognised everywhere, it was a bit tirering, thats why I tried to go to the US.

    But I didn’t really know how to explain all this, with the criminal networks and all to the Imigration Control, I was a bit afraid, that with my luck, I would probably just be sent to Guanatanamo, or something like that, and I didn’t really understand what was going on, so I just told about the University, and the study finance, and things like that.

    But I guess I should contact, like eg. the American Embassy, or something like that.

    But I think that, one maybe should be a bit carefull, about letting some government, finding out, that one haven’t got an address, if one go travelling, after ones studies etc., then one could be a bit in problems, if the Government find out that you haven’t got ‘a tie’.

    At least it seems that way to me.

    I’m not sure who to discuss this with, because I don’t this is something that is official.

    So I’m not sure if this is something that the different governments want to discuss.

    But it seems to me that Governments take advantage of things like this, and I also think that it can sometimes be annoying.

    If it is like it seems to me.

    Because, I don’t want to complain, but I think that, even if people haven’t got an address at the moment.

    Even so, I think that they still have human rights.

    So I suspect a bit, that if one are a bit unlucky with the Imigration Control, then one can get to situations were ones human rights, aren’t looked that carefully after.

    At least it seems that way to me.

    So maybe other people also could get into similar problems, if they are unlucky with the Imigration Control.

    But I guess I should try to bring this up with organisations like Amnesty and Human Rights Watch, etc.

    Sorry that I’m writing very much here, I know I can’t expect people to read all this, or to answer all my questions, so I understand it if I don’t get any replies to this post.

    If one are a Norwegian citizen working in Britain, then one have things like a national insurance number, council tax/utillity bills, British bank-account, etc., so I think it sounds smart to bring things like that probably yes, if one wanted to try to go to the US again.

    But I really think I would need to contact the American Embassy and here with them.

    But thanks anyway for the reply, it had a lot of usefull information in it, so I’ll look more at this, and then I’ll decide what to do next.

    So thanks very much again for the help!

    But thanks very much again for the answer, I

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    Today, 11:09 am #4
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    Re: Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by johncons
    Hi,

    I’m really a Nurse living in Britain, but I searched on the internet, regarding some problems I’ve been having, when I tried to go to the USA, in 2005.

    Then I had some problems with the Detroit Imigration Control, and they wrote some text in my passport, and sent me back to Oslo, via Paris.

    Here’s what was written:

    Just now, I searched on the internet, on the text ‘8 CFR 217.4 (a)’.

    And I found this post, on this message-board:

    http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73347

    The post-writer, seems to have been having a similar problem as I had, when I tried to go to the US, for a holiday, two or three months, in February 2005.

    I wanted to rent a car in Detroit, and drive and see a bit of the country.

    But I wasn’t let through the passport-control, and I had to sit an answer questions in a room, for several hours.

    And I suspect they were calling like, the Norwegian government, and things like that.

    I’m not sure exactly what they mean with ‘no ties outside of the US’.

    But if they were afraid that I would exploit the American welfare system, then I think that was a bit strange, since Norway has like a generous, or what the right word is, welfare system.

    But anyway.

    I had a rented storage in Oslo, with City Self Storage there.

    Is that considered a tie outside of the US, I was wondering.

    And I have a grandmother in Norway etc., but I’m not sure if that’s considered a tie.

    The reason I’m wondering how they define ‘a tie’, is that I’m a bit worried, that people, who they define, as not having ‘a tie’, is being played games with, used as ‘target guys’, etc, by the CIA etc.

    So I’m trying to get whatever it is that is going on to stop.

    This is a link, where I’ve been trying to explain what’s going on a bit better:

    http://johncons.trykker.com/2008/02/…22-pa-engelsk/

    So, I would be very if someone knows they define ‘a tie’, because it’s sometimes a bit stressful, with whats going on, and I suspect it could be linked with what happened in the Detroit Imigration Control, or what they are called, in 2005.

    So thanks very much in advance for any help!

    And I wrote ‘Norse’, and not ‘Nurse’.

    I took a back-up, of the post, after I’d submitted it:

    https://johncons-blogg.net/…ard-still.html

    So this harassment-problem, I’m goint to bring up.

    It helps showing that there is something going on.

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    Today, 11:32 am #5
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    Re: Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.

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    Erik, if I were you I’d remove the facebook album that has your passport details etc displayed – it’s amazing what people can do with your personal details.

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    Today, 11:37 am #6
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    Re: Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.

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    Erik, if I were you I’d remove the facebook album that has your passport details etc displayed – it’s amazing what people can do with your personal details.

    Hi,

    yes you’re very right, I removed my bank account number already, so I am aware of the problem you’re bringing up regarding identity theaft etc.

    I’m not sure how it fits with the Imigration-stuff, but nevermind.

    Thanks anyway!

    Erik

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    Today, 12:02 pm #7
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    Re: Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.

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    Erik, meant most kindly – there are some bits in your previous post that are a bit… unusual. I am wondering if you are feeling quite well, perhaps you might like to seek out a doctor as well, just to make sure that you are ok.
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    Today, 12:13 pm #8
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    Re: Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.

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    Erik, meant most kindly – there are some bits in your previous post that are a bit… unusual. I am wondering if you are feeling quite well, perhaps you might like to seek out a doctor as well, just to make sure that you are ok.

    I think people shouldnt reply to posts if they haven’t got anything to contribute with regarding the subject of the thread.

    So I would just like to inform the message-board that I don’t really appriciate being f-ed around, like the poster here seems to be trying to, so from now on, I’m not going to reply to harassing posts.

    It’s seems like people speculate, to bring the focus away from the real subject of the discussion, at that is a menace, or what the right word is again.

    It’s not really something that should be sought after.

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    Today, 12:15 pm #9
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    I think people shouldnt reply to posts if they haven’t got anything to contribute with regarding the subject of the thread.

    So I would just like to inform the message-board that I don’t really appriciate being f-ed around, like the poster here seems to be trying to, so from now on, I’m not going to reply to harassing posts.

    It’s seems like people speculate, to bring the focus away from the real subject of the discussion, at that is a menace, or what the right word is again.

    It’s not really something that should be sought after.

    No, I was really trying to be nice. I’m sorry you don’t feel that way.
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    Today, 12:17 pm #10
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    No, I was really trying to be nice. I’m sorry you don’t feel that way.

    Keep to the subject.

    Don’t bring feelings into this.

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    Keep to the subject.

    Don’t bring feelings into this.

    Good luck to you. I hope you find the help you need.
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    Today, 12:35 pm #12
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    Re: Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.

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    Good luck to you. I hope you find the help you need.

    You are really anoying me.

    Please stop acting personal towards people you don’t know.

    And this is a message-board, not a chat-room.

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    Keep to the subject.

    Okay… you need to understand that, almost without exception, the US immigration laws are specifically designed to keep non-US citizens *out* of the country. You have no right to enter the US – even as a visitor… it is a privilege. By the way, your “human rights” were not violated just because you were not allowed into the US.

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    And this is a message-board, not a chat-room.

    This is a public forum… you are *not* obligated to read any responses you get.

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    Okay… you need to understand that, almost without exception, the US immigration laws are specifically designed to keep non-US citizens *out* of the country. You have no right to enter the US – even as a visitor… it is a privilege. By the way, your “human rights” were not violated just because you were not allowed into the US.

    This is a public forum… you are *not* obligated to read any responses you get.

    Ian

    ‘Keep to the subject’, wasn’t to you.

    I’m not obligated to read respones I get.

    What kind of nonsense is that?

    You are patronising me, and thats harassment, thats illigal.

    Stick to the topic, or go f off.

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    Today, 12:54 pm #15
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    ‘Keep to the subject’, wasn’t to you.

    I’m not obligated to read respones I get.

    What kind of nonsense is that?

    You are patronising me, and thats harassment, thats illigal.

    Stick to the topic, or go f off.

    These seems like organised attacks by the way.

    Definetly something going on.

    http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=513951