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VS: Nyholm-slekten og Gjedde-slekten osv.
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Måned: juli 2009
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I Danmark, så trodde de ikke at det var noe interessant, å lage bøker om min mormors kjente danske familie. Det burde jeg vel egentlig ha tenkt meg
Google Mail – VS: Nyholm-slekten og Gjedde-slekten osv.
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Her er noe e-post korrespondanse, om hvor vikingene, som slo seg ned i England, stammet fra, i de forskjellige engelske fylkene. (In Norwegian)
Google Mail – Re: [Ainscough Family History-Mawdesley] New comment on "Olsok" Wirral-Chester Viking Churches Heritage Wa….
Erik Ribsskog
<eribsskog@gmail.com>
Re: [Ainscough Family History-Mawdesley] New comment on "Olsok" Wirral-Chester Viking Churches Heritage Wa….
Erik Ribsskog
<eribsskog@gmail.com>
Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 10:57 PM
To:
barbara ainscough <barbaraainscough@mac.com>
Hi,thanks very much for your reply.I'm from Norway, so I know that if your name, is derived from Aykescogh, then this is very easyfor me to understand, its oak-forest.Eike-skog, in modern Norwegian, but Norwegian letters are pronaunced differently, so Eikeskog,said in Norwegian, would sound the same, as Aykescogh, in English.So I'm sure it means Oak-forest.My own name, Ribsskog, also has 'skog' in it, meaning forest.My name, in Norwegian, sounds like red-currant forest. 'Rips', in Norwegian, is red-currant, andthe first part of my lastname is 'Ribs'.And those words are prounaunced the same.But this name, Ribsskog, is from Trøndelag, or the county of the Trond-tribe, quite far north in Norway.And it was first written as 'Resskog', and 'Res', means, I've read, a place, where one drag the row-boatsover, on land, in stead of rowing around a (quite small, I think) peninsula.And then it was changed, to Ribsskog, for some reason.And this family-name, that really is from my mothers fathers family, since my mother divorced myfather, and changed my last-name from Olsen, (meaning son of Ole (short for Olave(!), I think)), in the 70's.This familiy, with this name, 'Ribsskog', they have a lot of conflicts, I've understood, and I wrote to somedistant relatives, with this name, from Trøndelag, I think, and they didn't answer back, when I wrote,about that they changed the name, up there, from 'Resskog', to 'Ribsskog'.Now it sounds more Danish, since I think Danes say 'Ribs', for red-currant, in stead of the Norwegian 'Rips'.At least it sounds like Danish name now, so maybe someone in the Ribsskog-familiy, was a bit snobish,because the elite in Oslo, used to talk almost Danish, and probably used to have some Danish-soundingnames, since the elite, in Oslo, used to be, clerks etc., for the Kings of Denmark, who just to rule Norway,for 400 years.So people from the most snobish parts of Oslo, have been known, until this day, to speak in a way thatalmost resembles old-fashion Danish, from the time of the union, between Norway and Denmark.Even if some dialects, in Denmark, Jutish, I think, has changed towards German I think, since the timeof this union, so now, Danish kan be almost impossible to understand, sometimes, to Norwegians,even the 'snobs', who speaks almost old-fashioned Danish, since modern Danish, often now, thesedays, has a bit un-clear pronounciation.So that's how this is.I sent an e-mail to the professor, at the University of Nottingham, that you gave me the e-mail address to.I'll see if I can find the link.Sorry that I went on about the etnology of my lastname, so much!And thanks very much for the link, I'll read more about the Tudors later.I read about the black and white framed houses, on Wikipedia, and, I also saw, that they had almost similarhouses, in Denmark, to the Tudor-styled, in England.But I guess this must be a very English style.But I read that Tudor, came from Patagenan, or something, in France, so maybe it's really a Frencharcitectural style(?)It's a bit diffucult for me, to orientate, so well, in the UK, since there have been so many people, living here,Picts, Skyts, Celts, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Vikings, Normans, etc, etc, (and Norwegians!).So to say where this and this style, was from, is a bit tricky, I guess.I mean the Normans, where really Danes, that had lived in France, for about 100 years perhaps.Where they Danes, French or Norman?If you are from Norway, I think it's probably best to not try to dig to deep into this things.I'll see if I can manage not to do this.We'll see.
Best regards,Erik Ribsskog
PS.Here is the link to the e-mail, that I sent the professor, at the University of Nottingham, even if I can see, that I wrote Newcaslte, it seems, in my last comment.This reminds me of when I posted on the British Expat-forum, and I had a back-up, where it said, I had wrote 'Norse'.But then someone at the British Ex-pat message-board moderators-crew, had been having fun, and changed 'Norse'to 'Nurse', and I don't think they can blame this, on it being derived, or on etnology.But anyway, I'll see if I can find the link.Here it is:PS 2.And what's the reason, for this change, in communication-method, from comments on a Blogger-blog, to e-mail., btw, if it's ok to ask about this in Newcastle or Nottingham, or Lancashire, I guess it was?Well perhaps the Vikings in Lancashire, originated, from Scandinavia, where as the Vikings on the Wirral, where fromIreland, people who had to move from there, at least I've read that earlier, that Vikings setlements on the Wirral, whereNorwegians who had to move from Ireland, after losing control there.Sorry of all the post-scripts, a bit late here now I guess!On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 9:11 PM, barbara ainscough <barbaraainscough@mac.com> wrote:Hi Ericthere is so much history involved in what you write…..York was a text book Viking settlement as you know – many viking artefacts have been found here. Prof. harding has carried out much research and the West including Merseyside has definite Viking origins too- perhaps coming over from Ireland? or maybe primary settlements?My name is Ainscough we think derived from Aykescogh – Nordic origins meaning meadow, tree, Ask, Oak forest?? This name originates in Lancashire.For more about Tudor houses see here:Good luck!BOn 19 Jul 2009, at 18:17, johncons wrote:johncons has left a new comment on your post ""Olsok" Wirral-Chester Viking Churches Heritage Wa…":
Hi,
thanks very much for the answer, I'll e-mail Professor Harding at the University of Newcastle.
I read up a bit on the internet, about the churches, (which I perhaps should have done more, before I wrote the last comment), and I read that there also is a St. Olave's Church and Parish, in York.
Since York was a Viking-town, or City, even if it was also Roman and Norman and Anglo-Saxon probably also I guess, for all that I know.
At school in Norway, we learn about that York has been a Norwegian Viking-town or city, with the name of 'Jorvik', but we don't hear about that there have been Viking-settlements around in the Wirral and other places around the Mersey, so this was a bit new information to me.
I read that the church in Chester, was built by Norwegian refugees from Dublin, after the Vikings lost control in Ireland, (which I guess is what the march is about), so I thought that the St. Olave's Church, in Chester, probably is one of the few things, that remains, of arcitecture etc., from the Vikings who lived in Ireland.
(Or I guess there could be something in Ireland, that we neighter was thought in school).
But I saw in Chester, that the Roman and Norman buildings, had signs explaining about the buildings etc., but I don't the St. Olave's Church had a similar sign.
And now I read on the internet, today, that the church was being used as a cinema.
But perhaps there aren't any people left, from the Norse comunity, in Chester, that remember that they had Viking ancestors, so noone wants to put up signs etc.
I think, if this church had been in Norway, they would probably made it to a museum or something.
At least they would have put up a sign, I guess.
But I'll contact the professor about this, and try not to write so much about what I think.
I just thought it was fun, really, to se that there where places in Chester named after a Norwegian king, that we learn about in school, in Norway, so that I thought was fun.
I'll contact the professor, and I'll try to remember to update my comment again, when I get a reply!
Thank you very much for answering my questions, I'll read up about Tudor, thanks very much for explaining about the timber framed houses!
Sincerely,
Erik Ribsskog
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PS.
Nå leste jeg den linken, som var for noe barne- eller ungdomsskole vel, i England, som hun dama skrev, i e-posten sin.
Og det viste seg, at Tudor, det var de, med Henry VIII vel, som gjorde England protestantisk.
Så da fulgte vel England etter Tyskland og Nederland og Norden da, og ble protestantisk.
Og de kaller også Normannerne, for Vikinger.
Så da kan man vel kanskje ikke kalle dem franske.
Så da får man vel gå ut fra, at England nok er i Nord-Europa da, og ikke i Sør-Europa, som Frankrike vel for eksempel er, siden England jo er protestantisk.
Irland er jo katolsk, men Irland har vel mer med Storbritannia å gjøre, enn med Frankrike og Spania osv.
Men Irland er katolsk, så må man kanskje si, at Irland er i Sør-Europa, mens England, Wales og Skottland, er i Nord-Europa.
Noe sånt.
Så sånn er nok dette.
Med vennlig hilsen
Erik Ribsskog
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Jeg skriver om månelandingen, på Dagbladets kommentarsystem. (In Norwegian)
Erik Ribsskog sa, få sekunder siden:
RE: Ost?
Jeg får svare meg selv her, tenker jeg, for det var en del rare svar, selv om jeg ikke skal nevne navn.Men det jeg har litt vanskelig for å tro på, det er det, at det er en ting, at de har en rakett, som kjører rundt jorda.
Men at de skal klare å skyte ut en sånn landingsenhet, fra raketten, og så treffe akkurat et punkt på månen.
Når de ikke klarte å treffe planeten Mars.
Britene klarte ikke å treffe riktig på planeten Mars, eller om det var EU.
Så sonden deres, som skulle krabbe rundt på Mars, gikk istykker.
Men i 1969, så skulle altså ha klart dette, med to mennesker ombord, på månen.
Tja.
Og ikke nok med det.
Neida.
De kunne også skyte seg opp fra månen.
Og ikke nok med det.
Neida.
De kunne også treffe raketten helt nøyaktig.
Tja.
Jeg vet ikke helt jeg altså.
Det høres nesten for utrolig ut, til å være sant.
Men det er klart, at hvis Nasa sier at det er sånn, så stemmer vel det.
Selv om de har ‘driti seg ut’, mange ganger, både for og etter dette, og at mange romferger har eksplodert.
Jeg så på BBC, her for noen uker siden, siden jeg bor i England, og der var det en dame, en skuespillerinne, mener jeg, og hun sa at hun gikk rundt på Cape Canavaral, i Houston da, og hørte på alt som skjedde, under månelandingen, for hun var der med noen foreldre, eller noe, og det var ingen sikkerhet der, så hun kunne gå hvor hun ville.
Det hørtes litt useriøst ut.
Men men.
En annen ting, de sier at månen skal være utgangspunktet, for å reise til Mars.
Men hvorfor reise først til månen, og så til Mars?
Jorda og månen, er jo ganske nærme hverandre, i forhold til hvor langt bort, begge himmellegemene er, fra planeten Mars.
Så ville ikke det enkleste være å dra rett til Mars, de har jo allerede tatt prøver fra månen, som flere har påpekt.
Så det er mye man kan lure på sikkert.
Men jeg mener at onkel Håkon, eller om det var faren min, sa at månen er en gul ost.
Og det er vel ingen som tror at noen av de lyver, er det vel?
Hvorfor ville de si noe sånt, på 70-tallet, som at månen er en gul ost, det er jo egentlig ikke morsomt.
Hvem vet, visste de mer enn de ville ut med?
Hvem vet, forhåpentligvis vet noen.
Vi får se.
Med vennlig hilsen
Erik Ribsskog
http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/07/19/nyheter/manen/romferd/manelanding/7265005/#comments_container
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På Dagbladets kommentarsystem, så er det en utlending, eller hva man skal si, som sier det samme som meg, om politikk.(In Norwegian)
Armin Bahrami sa, 4 timer og 19 minutter siden:
RE: Sovjet?
JA!Google hvem som finansierte BÅDE HITLER OG SOVJETUNIONEN..
Svaret du får er Prescott Bush – bestefaren til den største fuck up’en i amerikansk historie.
Denne familien er skulls&bonesmen som er alliert med frimurere og sionister.
http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/07/19/nyheter/manen/romferd/manelanding/7265005/
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Jeg måtte nesten skrive en e-post til han professoren ved universitetet i Nottingham, siden jeg ble rådet til dette. (In Norwegian)
Google Mail – St. Olave's Church in Chester
Erik Ribsskog
<eribsskog@gmail.com>
St. Olave’s Church in Chester
Erik Ribsskog
<eribsskog@gmail.com>
Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 7:24 PM
To:
Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk
Hi,I'm from Norway, but I live in Liverpool, and the other day, I was in Chester, and I coinsidentilystubled upon, the St. Olave's Church, since I thought I had to see a bit of the other towns andcities, in the North-West, and not only Liverpool.I took some pictures of the church, and posted on my blog.From the 'sign' there, it could seem like the church was from the 18th century, so much wasmy surprice, when I searched on the internet, and found, that the chuch was almost a thousandyears old, built by Norwegian Vikings who were refugees from Dublin, since they lost control there,it seems to me, after reading on the internet about this.I read on a blog called 'Ainscough Family History', which I found throug Google, about the 'Vikingmarch', between the Wirral and Chester.So I wrote a comment on that blog, with questions about the St. Olave's Church, and was advicedto contact you.I was just wondering if the church is listed, since I don't think we have that old viking stone-buildings in Norway.We have 'stav'-churches, in three, but I don't think we have any stone-buildings, that are this old.So, I was just curious about this.I also wondered if there had been conflicts between the St. Olave's Parish and the St. MichaelsParish, since on one building, 'Nine Houses', the borded between the parishes, was written onthe buildings facade.And, I was also wondering, why it isn't a plaque there, explaining about, that the church is almosta thousand years old, built by Vikings from Ireland, because the plaque that's there now, makesit almost seem, that the building was built much later, or, it only least the year the church wasconserved, in the 18th century, I think it was.As I understand, all the part of Chester, from the main street, and down to river, used to bea Viking-district.I was wondering, on some of the half timbered houses, I saw some symbols that looked a bitlike what we call 'firkløver', that's four-cleaver, I think, in English, could these symbols havebeen from Norway, or are they English, since I heard that these black and white half-timberedhouses are 'Tudor-style', so I guess that the Vikings, in Chester, would have other types ofbuildings, that was there, before the Tudor-style buildings,contemporary with the St. Olave'sChurch?Sorry that I'm asking a lot of questions, I understand if you haven't got the time to answer anyof these questions.I just coincidentaly notices this church, when I was in Chester, and thought it was fun, to seeplace-names, and buildings, named after a Norwegian king, that we learned about at school,in Norway.And at school, in Norway, we, as far as I remember, only learned about that York, or 'Jorvik',like the Vikings called the town or city, was a Norwegian Viking-town or city.But we didn't learn about, that there were viking setlements, in Cheshire and Merseyside.So I wasn't aware of, that there was Viking-buildings, in Chester, when I went there, so I wasa bit surprised to see the church, and read about it on the internet, so that was very fun.I thought that maybe this church, could be one of the few buildings etc,. that remained,
after the Vikings, that had to leave Ireland.In Norway, we learn at school, that Vikings founded Dublin etc., but we don't learn thatthey went to England, after they lost control in Ireland, so this was fun to learn.So sorry again that I'm asking a lot of questions, and thanks in advance, if you have thetime to explain about any of the questions which I've ask!Yours sincerely,
Erik Ribsskog
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Jeg fant en engelsk blogg, da jeg søkte om kirken i Chester. Og det viste seg, at de morsomme svarte og hvite husene der er i noe som heter Tudor-stil
johncons said…
Hi,I’m from Norway, but I live in Liverpool.
Yesterday, I was in Chester, to have a look at the town, or city I think it is.
Since I think I should also visit some other places here, than just Liverpool.
And then suddently I stumbled upon St. Olave’s Church, and that was fun.
I saw the sign for the street, St. Olave Street, and understood it was the saint we call ‘Olav den hellige’, Olav the holy, in Norway.
In Norway, we have some wooden churches, ‘stavkirker’, from the viking-age.
But I wasn’t aware of, that in Chester there is a church built by vikings, so this was very surprising, to me, I didn’t know that there existed stone-buildings like this, from the Vikings.
There was a sign there, saying that the church was built on, in the 18th century, that it was restaured?
I was wondering if you know if this building, when it was conserved, in the 18th century was built in the same way, as it used to be?
I saw that the parishes, between St. Olave’s and St. Michael’s were quite strict defined, since on a building, called ‘the nine houses’, or something, the border between the parishes, was marked, on the fasade of the building.
So was there like a conflict there, between the ‘Viking’ parish, and the St Michael’s Church parish?
The people living in the Viking part of town, must have been quite poor then, since the parish was joined with the neighbour parish.
The tradition with the black and white timber-buildings, that one see, in Chester, and also in other towns in Britain, on pubs etc., where is this tradition from.
I guess that’s typically British then, is it from the Normans or something?
Sorry if I’m asking a lot of questions, I just thought it was fun that a Viking-church in stone, existed, to this date.
Is the building listed, or graded, or what the right term is, and why haven’t it got a proper sign on it, that says its from the Viking-age, because from the only sign I saw, it looked like it was from the 18th century, but that was really when it was conserved, I understood, when I later searched about the church on the internet.
I took some pictures in Chester, so I can add a link, so it’s possible to understand what I meant with the sign, or plate.
Sorry that I ask so many questions, by the way, I just thought it was very fun, to see that a church like this, existed, from the Vikings, I wasn’t aware of that.
Thanks in advance for any answers to all the questions!
Sincerely,
Erik Ribsskog
PS.
Here is the link I mentioned, with the pictures of the church etc., from Chester:
https://johncons-blogg.net/2009/07/fler-bilder-fra-chester-mm-in-norwegian.html
6:37 AM
boobelle said…
Hi Eric
Im afraid I am no expert on these churches or Chester – try emailing Professor Stephen Harding (Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk) at Nottingham University, the content of that blog post was from him….the black & white timber framed buildings though are from the Tudor times in England, not Viking! Im very interested in what you find out about the churches – please share…
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Her er fra det romerske hagen, i Chester, hvor man kan se ruinene til søylene, fra det romerske badet, som ble bygget der for snart 2000 år siden vel
PS.
Det var ikke så oversiktlig, i den parken der, så slutten ble litt uoversiktelig.
Men jeg tenkte på en ting.
At de lager parker og utgravinger, og det som er, fra romersk arkitektur, fra 2000 år siden.
Men den St. Olavs kirke, eller St. Olave’s Church, som også ligger i Chester, den er jo ca. 1000 år gammel.
Og den er vel kanskje ikke vernet, i det hele tatt.
Og i Norge, så finnes det vel ikke så mye steinbygninger, fra vikingetiden, gjør det det da?
Ihvertfall så blir den St. Olave’s Church, brukt til mye rart, og jeg tror ikke den er vernet.
Ihvertfall, så klarte jeg ikke å se noe ordentlig skilt, som forklarte, at den kirken var fra vikingetiden osv.
Mens de romerske minnene, de er veldig bra skiltet, med forseggjorte plater, både her og der.
Men, jeg vil tippe, at den kirken, St. Olave’s Church, den må vel være noe av det eneste, som finnes igjen, etter de norske vikingene, som koloniserte, eller styrte, Irland.
For det var norske flyktninger, fra Dublin, som slo seg ned sør i Chester, og hadde bl.a. et eget prestesogn, som het St. Olave’s Parish, hvis jeg har forstått det rett.
Jeg synes det er rart, at det ikke er noen krefter i Norge, eller i Storbritannia, som har gjort om den kirken, til et museum, eller noe.
En forseggjort plakett, som forklarte at dette var en kirke bygget av norske vikinger, i vikingetiden, det synes jeg ihvertfall at den kirken hadde fortjent.
Jeg leste noe på nettet, som kunne synes om at den kirken nå ikke ble tatt så godt hånd om, av sine nåværende eiere.
Skal jeg se om jeg finner mer om det.
Vi får se.
Med vennlig hilsen
Erik Ribsskog
PS 2.
Ja, jeg fant ikke den linken nå, men jeg fant en annen link, om hva som foregår, i St. Olave’s Church nå for tiden.
Det er kinofremvisning.
Det kan være at jeg misforstod den andre linken jeg tenkte på, og at det var han briten, som hadde den bloggen jeg leste på, som spurte om noen visste hvilken historie den kirken hadde, og ikke omvendt.
Det er mulig.
Her kan man ihvertfall se, at den 23. juli, så skal det være filmfremvisning, i St. Olave’s Church, om en franskmann, som oppholdt seg på noen liner, mellom World Trade Center-tårnene, før de ble bombet da, 11. september 2001.
Jeg synes at det her kanskje lukter litt New Age(?)
Her er linken ihvertfall:
