Måned: august 2009

Erik,

Dumb would be telling you I can't do anything about it.

I'm telling you I can run the course now, but I need other applicants who want the same. The problem is that not many people have planned ahead. We have 12 applicants which isn't enough now, so I will need to do more work on getting people on the course anyway. Hence I am happy to do it for the course now if you so strongly wish for that.

If you're not clear on whether I am suited to my job then please come to my class and see that you learn things.

If you want the course now then I will try for this. But I can only try, I don't force people to come to my course.

Ian

—–Original Message—–

From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

Sent: Fri 28/08/2009 20:32

To: Griffiths, Ian

Subject: Re: Course in Web Database Integration (PHP/MySQL)

Hi,

this is just dum!

This a skill that companies demand now, and in May or October next year, it

will be in less demand.

This is a course that you have been advertising, on your website, for

months, and people have adapted to that, and haven't planned for, that you

would start changing the courses, in late August, two or three months after

the course has been offered.

If you don't understand how dum this is, then I don't think you are the

right person in your job.

Ok, I'm just dissapointed that you can operate like this, when people have

planned to take this course for months.

How can you say that trying to arrange the course is the best you can do,

when you have had the course on the website for months.

That's something that the College should plan ahead for, and not change,

after having offering the course, on your website for months.

That's very amatourism, nothing more, nothing less.

I think the only thing you can do is to arrange the course, like a normal

course, since you advertised it for months.

You also get founds from the EU, I saw, who Norway pays billions to each

year, so it's not like I'm exploiting you, since I'm from Norway, or

anything.

I just want to find a job, and then I need this course!

Sincerely,

Erik Ribsskog

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Griffiths, Ian <

Ian.Griffiths@liv-coll.ac.uk> wrote:

> Erik,

>

> In defence of the changes, a number of applicants have opted to take up the

> additional study so that when they complete the final course, they go there

> prepared in the best way.

>

> The changes are not done on a whim, we took feedback from previous students

> and considered it before making the restructures.

>

> We also are bound by the wishes of our applicants. I appreciate that you

> have planned to do this but there was never any guarantee that it would go

> ahead, they all run subject to numbers and if there were not enough people

> for the course, it would not go ahead anyway.

>

> This is not my decision, nor an amateur way to run a course. We can only

> do what the applicants want us to do. I would like to be able to plan, but

> without students wanting the same thing, there is no course ever. Or there

> is one but it is very expensive.

>

> If you want to do the course in October then I will make efforts to run

> one, even if the numbers are small. This is the best I can do.

>

> Ian

>

>

>

> —–Original Message—–

> From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

> Sent: Fri 28/08/2009 20:06

> To: Griffiths, Ian

> Subject: Re: Course in Web Database Integration (PHP/MySQL)

>

> Hi,

> I just think it's dum that you offer a course on your website, for months,

> that I have planning to take, sine June.

>

> And now you change it in August, and you haven't even updated your website.

>

> I sat at Working Links more than two months ago, I think, and we searched

> on

> PHP-courses.

>

> And it was maybe 14 hits.

>

> So if you wanted the change the course based on feedback from last-year,

> why

> did advertise the un-change course.

>

> Stupid behaviour like this, causes problems for people who want to plan

> ahead.

>

> A Norwegian college wouldn't operate like this, so I'm disapointed that

> this

> happens in the UK.

>

> I think this changing that you've started with today is just dum, and very

> like amatours would have done..

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Erik Ribsskog

>

>

> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Griffiths, Ian <

> Ian.Griffiths@liv-coll.ac.uk> wrote:

>

> > Erik

> >

> > The course offer changes based on feedback from the students who were on

> it

> > in the past. Some of last years students felt that they would have

> > benefitted from additional study in both databases and programming.

> >

> > You can do just that course if you wish – there is no requirement to

> study

> > the extra courses. But this will be in May, after the other courses have

> > happened.

> >

> > If you wish to start the Web Database course now then this is possible

> for

> > October as advertised but only if there are enough students to form a

> group.

> > If this is what you want then I'm very happy to try and make this happen

> > but in order to keep the price at £98, we need 14 applicants.

> >

> > Ian

> >

> >

> >

> > —–Original Message—–

> > From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

> > Sent: Fri 28/08/2009 19:52

> > To: Griffiths, Ian

> > Subject: Re: Course in Web Database Integration (PHP/MySQL)

> >

> > Hi,

> > how can a Community College operate like this?

> >

> > I read about this course on your website, in June, I think, and also

> again

> > today.

> >

> > And says clearly that it's an interduction-course, in these subjects.

> >

> > This is ridiculus!

> >

> > How can you change the courses all of a suddent, when it's been on your

> > website for months?

> >

> > This must be the dummest thing I ever heard, and from a British college,

> > who

> > are supposed to be among the best in the world, one think in Norway.

> >

> > This must be a joke surely.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > Erik Ribsskog

> >

> >

> > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Griffiths, Ian <

> > Ian.Griffiths@liv-coll.ac.uk> wrote:

> >

> > > Erik,

> > >

> > > There is no mob! The course has been revised for this academic year.

> > Last

> > > year when we ran the course, a number of people struggled with the

> > database

> > > and programming aspects of the course, so we have moved the course

> which

> > you

> > > have applied for later and put the other courses in front of it.

> > >

> > > The Dreamweaver course is also there for those people who wish to

> improve

> > > their design skills.

> > >

> > > You can choose any of the courses on offer. It may help to combine

> them

> > > but if you don't need them or the budget doesn't extend to them then

> just

> > > taking a single one would also be possible.

> > >

> > > The changes are still in progress. I will email you the completed

> > > structure when it is completed.

> > >

> > > If you need to check anything further, let me know.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Ian

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > —–Original Message—–

> > > From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

> > > Sent: Fri 28/08/2009 18:20

> > > To: Griffiths, Ian

> > > Subject: Course in Web Database Integration (PHP/MySQL)

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > > I've applied to this course on Liverpool Community College, some weeks

> > ago,

> > > since I want to update my knowledge, from four years at

> > > university-colleges,

> > > in Norway.

> > >

> > > I got a strange phone-call today, telling me that I should rather take

> > the

> > > Dreamweaver-course, since this course, was in the way, that it was SQL

> in

> > > october, PHP in january and Database Integration, in May.

> > >

> > > But this isn't what it says, on your website, there it says that this

> > > course

> > > is an introduction to all these things, SQL, PHP and Database

> > Integration.

> > >

> > > So I guess this call must have been from some 'mob', since I'm from

> > Norway.

> > >

> > > Could you please confirm that the course is an all-in-one course, and

> not

> > > like the way I was told in the 'funny' phone-call today.

> > >

> > > Yours sincerely,

> > >

> > > Erik Ribsskog

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Erik,

In defence of the changes, a number of applicants have opted to take up the additional study so that when they complete the final course, they go there prepared in the best way.

The changes are not done on a whim, we took feedback from previous students and considered it before making the restructures.

We also are bound by the wishes of our applicants. I appreciate that you have planned to do this but there was never any guarantee that it would go ahead, they all run subject to numbers and if there were not enough people for the course, it would not go ahead anyway.

This is not my decision, nor an amateur way to run a course. We can only do what the applicants want us to do. I would like to be able to plan, but without students wanting the same thing, there is no course ever. Or there is one but it is very expensive.

If you want to do the course in October then I will make efforts to run one, even if the numbers are small. This is the best I can do.

Ian

—–Original Message—–

From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

Sent: Fri 28/08/2009 20:06

To: Griffiths, Ian

Subject: Re: Course in Web Database Integration (PHP/MySQL)

Hi,

I just think it's dum that you offer a course on your website, for months,

that I have planning to take, sine June.

And now you change it in August, and you haven't even updated your website.

I sat at Working Links more than two months ago, I think, and we searched on

PHP-courses.

And it was maybe 14 hits.

So if you wanted the change the course based on feedback from last-year, why

did advertise the un-change course.

Stupid behaviour like this, causes problems for people who want to plan

ahead.

A Norwegian college wouldn't operate like this, so I'm disapointed that this

happens in the UK.

I think this changing that you've started with today is just dum, and very

like amatours would have done..

Sincerely,

Erik Ribsskog

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Griffiths, Ian <

Ian.Griffiths@liv-coll.ac.uk> wrote:

> Erik

>

> The course offer changes based on feedback from the students who were on it

> in the past. Some of last years students felt that they would have

> benefitted from additional study in both databases and programming.

>

> You can do just that course if you wish – there is no requirement to study

> the extra courses. But this will be in May, after the other courses have

> happened.

>

> If you wish to start the Web Database course now then this is possible for

> October as advertised but only if there are enough students to form a group.

> If this is what you want then I'm very happy to try and make this happen

> but in order to keep the price at £98, we need 14 applicants.

>

> Ian

>

>

>

> —–Original Message—–

> From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

> Sent: Fri 28/08/2009 19:52

> To: Griffiths, Ian

> Subject: Re: Course in Web Database Integration (PHP/MySQL)

>

> Hi,

> how can a Community College operate like this?

>

> I read about this course on your website, in June, I think, and also again

> today.

>

> And says clearly that it's an interduction-course, in these subjects.

>

> This is ridiculus!

>

> How can you change the courses all of a suddent, when it's been on your

> website for months?

>

> This must be the dummest thing I ever heard, and from a British college,

> who

> are supposed to be among the best in the world, one think in Norway.

>

> This must be a joke surely.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Erik Ribsskog

>

>

> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Griffiths, Ian <

> Ian.Griffiths@liv-coll.ac.uk> wrote:

>

> > Erik,

> >

> > There is no mob! The course has been revised for this academic year.

> Last

> > year when we ran the course, a number of people struggled with the

> database

> > and programming aspects of the course, so we have moved the course which

> you

> > have applied for later and put the other courses in front of it.

> >

> > The Dreamweaver course is also there for those people who wish to improve

> > their design skills.

> >

> > You can choose any of the courses on offer. It may help to combine them

> > but if you don't need them or the budget doesn't extend to them then just

> > taking a single one would also be possible.

> >

> > The changes are still in progress. I will email you the completed

> > structure when it is completed.

> >

> > If you need to check anything further, let me know.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Ian

> >

> >

> >

> > —–Original Message—–

> > From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

> > Sent: Fri 28/08/2009 18:20

> > To: Griffiths, Ian

> > Subject: Course in Web Database Integration (PHP/MySQL)

> >

> > Hi,

> > I've applied to this course on Liverpool Community College, some weeks

> ago,

> > since I want to update my knowledge, from four years at

> > university-colleges,

> > in Norway.

> >

> > I got a strange phone-call today, telling me that I should rather take

> the

> > Dreamweaver-course, since this course, was in the way, that it was SQL in

> > october, PHP in january and Database Integration, in May.

> >

> > But this isn't what it says, on your website, there it says that this

> > course

> > is an introduction to all these things, SQL, PHP and Database

> Integration.

> >

> > So I guess this call must have been from some 'mob', since I'm from

> Norway.

> >

> > Could you please confirm that the course is an all-in-one course, and not

> > like the way I was told in the 'funny' phone-call today.

> >

> > Yours sincerely,

> >

> > Erik Ribsskog

> >

> >

> >

> —————————————————————————————

> > Please consider the environment before printing this email.

> >

> >

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> the

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> > presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent

> > those of Liverpool Community College or associated companies. You must

> not,

> > directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any

> part

> > of this message if you are not the intended recipient.

> >

> > The message content of in-coming emails is automatically scanned to

> > identify Spam and viruses otherwise Liverpool Community College does not

> > actively monitor content. However, sometimes it will be necessary for

> > Liverpool Community College to access business communications during

> staff

> > absence.

> >

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> accepted

> > by Liverpool Community College for any loss or damage arising in any way

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Erik

The course offer changes based on feedback from the students who were on it in the past. Some of last years students felt that they would have benefitted from additional study in both databases and programming.

You can do just that course if you wish – there is no requirement to study the extra courses. But this will be in May, after the other courses have happened.

If you wish to start the Web Database course now then this is possible for October as advertised but only if there are enough students to form a group. If this is what you want then I'm very happy to try and make this happen but in order to keep the price at £98, we need 14 applicants.

Ian

—–Original Message—–

From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

Sent: Fri 28/08/2009 19:52

To: Griffiths, Ian

Subject: Re: Course in Web Database Integration (PHP/MySQL)

Hi,

how can a Community College operate like this?

I read about this course on your website, in June, I think, and also again

today.

And says clearly that it's an interduction-course, in these subjects.

This is ridiculus!

How can you change the courses all of a suddent, when it's been on your

website for months?

This must be the dummest thing I ever heard, and from a British college, who

are supposed to be among the best in the world, one think in Norway.

This must be a joke surely.

Sincerely,

Erik Ribsskog

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Griffiths, Ian <

Ian.Griffiths@liv-coll.ac.uk> wrote:

> Erik,

>

> There is no mob! The course has been revised for this academic year. Last

> year when we ran the course, a number of people struggled with the database

> and programming aspects of the course, so we have moved the course which you

> have applied for later and put the other courses in front of it.

>

> The Dreamweaver course is also there for those people who wish to improve

> their design skills.

>

> You can choose any of the courses on offer. It may help to combine them

> but if you don't need them or the budget doesn't extend to them then just

> taking a single one would also be possible.

>

> The changes are still in progress. I will email you the completed

> structure when it is completed.

>

> If you need to check anything further, let me know.

>

> Thanks

>

> Ian

>

>

>

> —–Original Message—–

> From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

> Sent: Fri 28/08/2009 18:20

> To: Griffiths, Ian

> Subject: Course in Web Database Integration (PHP/MySQL)

>

> Hi,

> I've applied to this course on Liverpool Community College, some weeks ago,

> since I want to update my knowledge, from four years at

> university-colleges,

> in Norway.

>

> I got a strange phone-call today, telling me that I should rather take the

> Dreamweaver-course, since this course, was in the way, that it was SQL in

> october, PHP in january and Database Integration, in May.

>

> But this isn't what it says, on your website, there it says that this

> course

> is an introduction to all these things, SQL, PHP and Database Integration.

>

> So I guess this call must have been from some 'mob', since I'm from Norway.

>

> Could you please confirm that the course is an all-in-one course, and not

> like the way I was told in the 'funny' phone-call today.

>

> Yours sincerely,

>

> Erik Ribsskog

>

>

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> of this message if you are not the intended recipient.

>

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> identify Spam and viruses otherwise Liverpool Community College does not

> actively monitor content. However, sometimes it will be necessary for

> Liverpool Community College to access business communications during staff

> absence.

>

> Liverpool Community College has taken steps to ensure that this email and

> any attachments are virus free. However, it is the responsibility of the

> recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted

> by Liverpool Community College for any loss or damage arising in any way

> from its use.

>

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>

>

>

>

>

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