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  • Jeg sendte en klage på forhjemmetyskingen av Berger Museum







    Gmail – Klage på Berger Museum/Fwd: Lokalhistorisk konsulent







    Gmail



    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>




    Klage på Berger Museum/Fwd: Lokalhistorisk konsulent





    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>





    Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 11:48 PM





    To:

    post@n-jm.org



    Hei,

    Berger Museum flytter inn i lokalet Tyskland, noe som jeg ser på som historieløst.
    En annen ting, er at dere skriver på Berger Museum sin Facebook-siden:
    'Berger museum


    En liten oppklaring til de som ikke følger bloggen: Lokalet kalles Tyskland fordi det sto tyske tekstilmaskiner der fra etableringen i Fossekleiva i 1889. Det har derfor ingen ting å gjøre med verken 1. eller 2. verdenskrig.

    Familien Jebsen kom opprinnelig fra Danmark til Arna utenfor Bergen i 1845 for å etablere tekstilindustri der. Det var barnebarnet av denne Jebsen som etablerte tekstilindustri på Berger.'.






    Men Peter Jebsen kom fra Broager, i Nord Slesvig/Sønderjylland, helt sør-øst, i Danmark:

    Peter Jebsen (født 6. mai 1824, Broager, Danmark, død 30. oktober 1892, Bergen) var en norsk industripioner, skipsreder og politiker.


    På engelsk Wikipedia kan man se at Broager lå i hertugdømme Slesvig:
    Peter Jebsen (born 1824 in Duchy of Schleswig, died October 30, 1892) was a Norwegian businessperson and politician.


    Her kan man se at Broager ligger i Sønderjylland nå:
    Broager kommune er en tidligere kommune i Sønderjyllands amt i Danmark

    Dette står det om området, på Wikipedia:


    Sønderjylland var en del av Preussen etter Danmarks nederlag i krigen i 1864. Ved en folkeavstemning i 1920etter Tysklands nederlag i første verdenskrig kom den nordlige del tilbake til Danmark.



    Så en som var fra Sønderjylland, det er ikke en vanlig danske, mener jeg.


    I den sammenhengen, som det snakkes om på Facebook-siden ovenfor, så er Danmark eller Tyskland, med i konteksten.


    Så da blir det historieforfalskning, mener jeg, å si at Jebsen-familien var fra Danmark.


    Da må man også ta med at de var fra Nord-Slesvig/Sønderjylland, mener jeg.

    Hvis ikke blir det misvisende.


    For i den delen av Norden, så slet/sliter de fælt med noe de kalte 'hjemmetyskere', som var folk som snakket dansk og hadde danskklingende navn, men som følte seg som tyske:



    Hjemmetysker er en navnlig tidligere anvendt betegnelse for medlemmer af det tyske mindretal i Sønderjylland.

    Betegnelsen opstod blandt danskere i midten af det 19. århundrede for en person, der talte dansk, og som ofte havde et danskklingende navn, men som følte sig som tysk. Oprindelig var det i kampen mellem dansk og tysk tænkt som en nedsættende betegnelse i betydningen hjemmelavet tysker. Fra dansk side stod man uforstående over for, at en befolkningsgruppe, som skulle være af dansk afstamning, kunne føle sig som tyskere. Der gjaldt en ofte negativ vurdering af hjemmetyskerne, som blev betragtet som nationale forrædere eller i hvert fald ansås at følge en forkert vej. I den tyske lejr tog man efterhånden betegnelsen til sig uden at gøre den til genstand for nærmere analyse.


    http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hjemmetysker


    Så Berger Museum, de glemmer hjemmetyskerne, mener jeg.

    Og det er enten historieløst eller historieforfalskning, vil jeg si.


    Jeg har en danskfødt mormor, og jeg skjønner det, at navnet Jürg, som i Jürg Jebsen, som grunnla Fossekleiva fabrikker på Berger, ikke er et dansk navn, ihvertfall.

    Her er mer om dette:


    Jürg Jebsen grunnla ullvarefabrikk i Fossekleivane i Berger i Vestfold.


    http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Jebsen


    Så det er noe hjemmetysk, over dette som Berger Museum driver med nå, synes jeg.

    Jeg skjønner det, at hjemmetyskerne har flytta seg fra Sønderjylland, til Nordre Vestfold, på denne tiden, siden dette utrykket 'hjemmetysker' oppstod, i Sønderjylland, for et eller to hundre år siden.


    Min farmor, Ågot Mogan Olsen, hun jobbet som tjenestepike, for en Jebsen-direktør, på Berger, under krigen.

    Og da hadde han bestilt dram, på rasjoneringskortet, til farmora mi.

    Men postmann' hadde sagt fra, og da tok Ågot med seg flaska ned til 'n Ola, som var broren hennes, har min grandonkel Idar Sandersen, fra Bergstø ved Holmsbu, fortalt meg på telefonen, i forrige uke.


    Men Ågot sa også, på 80-tallet, at 'de var ikke noe snille med tyskerjentene'.


    Og da, så lurer jeg på, om bestemor Ågot, gikk for å være tyskertøs etter krigen.

    Direktør Jebsen fikk nok et grep på bestemor Ågot, under krigen, på grunn av dram-flaska, fra Drammen.

    Og da har nok bestemor Ågot gått for å være tyskerjente, etter krigen, kan det tyde på.

    Så å gjøre som Berger Museum, å si at disse Jebsen, var fra Danmark.

    Hvis de hadde vært fra Nord-Jylland, eller Fyn eller Sjælland, ja så kanskje.

    Men ikke når de er hjemmetyskere fra Sønderjylland/Nord-Slesvig.

    Hjembyen til Peter Jebsen, Kroager, ble hærtatt av tyskerne/preuserne, etter at han hadde flytta til Norge.

    Og i 1889, da Jürg Jebsen kalte produksjonslokalet, i Fossekleiva fabrikker, for 'Tyskland', så var Sønderjylland/Nord-Slesvig og hans farfar, Peter Jebsen, sin hjemby, Broager, en del av Tyskland, som man kan si det Wikipedia-sitatet ovenfor, som jeg gjentar her:


    Sønderjylland var en del av Preussen etter Danmarks nederlag i krigen i 1864. Ved en folkeavstemning i 1920etter Tysklands nederlag i første verdenskrig kom den nordlige del tilbake til Danmark.



    Så, siden jeg er kvart dansk, (men ikke har bodd i Danmark, men har slekt fra Danmark, og har lest mye om Danmark, på internett).


    Dette er nok et traume for Danmark, dette med Sønderjylland, og Slesvig.

    Danmark har mistet landområder til Sverige og Tyskland, og hadde jo også Norge og Island.


    Så de er nok litt flaue nå, siden de bare har noen få øyer og Jylland.

    Men men.


    Så å kalle disse dansker, jeg tror at dansker nok ville kalt de quislinger, siden de dyrket Tyskland så høyt, og kalte fabrikklokalet sitt for 'Tyskland', under den tyske okkupasjonen av Sønderjylland.


    Så så som nordmann, og også som kvart dansk, så protesterer jeg mot Berger Museum og de hjemmetyske tendesene som de driver med nå.

    Med anti-hjemmetysk hilsen

    Erik Ribsskog

    PS.

    Altså, i tilfelle dere har glemt det, så var jo Tyskland, den eneste nasjon, som har okkupert Norge, siden grunnlovens dager, i 1814 og selvstendigheten fra Sverige, i 1905.

    Så å hylle Tyskland, på den måten de gjør nå, ved å flytte Berger Museum til et lokale ved navn Tyskland, og ved å fordanske hjemmetyskerne, nei det synes jeg er en skandale.

    Men jeg får stemme i med dere i Vestfold og si Heil Hitler da(?)

    Deutsland Über Alles!


    Arbeit Macht Frai!


    Gestapo!

    Sieg Heil!


    Rinnan Banden.


    Vidkun Quisling.

    Jeg vet ikke om dette er noe kjent for dere, i Vestfold.

    Ringer dette noen bjeller, eller er hele fylket så forhjemmetysket, at ingen bryr seg?


    ———- Forwarded message ———-

    From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>
    Date: 2010/12/10
    Subject: Re: Lokalhistorisk konsulent
    To: Morten Andersen <moa@laa.sa.dk>

    Hei,

    jeg lurer nå på denne Peter Jebsen, som dere sendte fra Broager, til Norge, i 1843.
    Han hadde sønnen Jürg Jebsen, som bygget hjørnestensbedriften, Fossekleiva fabrikker, på mitt hjemsted, Berger i Vestfold, og kalte et av rommene for Tyskland, mens Slesvig lå i Tyskland, før 1920.

    Var disse hjemmetyske, vil du si?

    Berger museum sier nå at de var fra Danmark, og ikke Tyskland.

    Men det blir vel nærmest som historieforfalskning?
    Man kan da ikke si av slesvigere er vanlige dansker?

    Det bør vel sies at området lå i Tyskland, og har flere hjemmetyskere?
    Man kan da ikke bare kalle en fra Broager, som en vanlig danske?
    Når man er inne på temaet Danmark/Tyskland?

    (Altså det var i forbindelse med at Berger Museum har flyttet inn i et rom kalt Tyskland, ved Fossekleiva fabrikker).
    Så sier jeg det, at det er følsomt, pga. 2. verdenskrig.

    Så skriver Berger Museum, at Peter Jebsen var fra Danmark.

    Men han var da fra helt sør i Danmark, stemmer ikke dette?

    Bør det ikke da tas med at Jürg vel ikke er et dansk navn, og at Broager var i Tyskland da dette rommet Tyskland ble bygget?

    På forhånd takk for svar om dette med de hjemmetyske!

    Mvh.
    Erik Ribsskog

    2009/8/26 Morten Andersen <moa@laa.sa.dk>

    Kære Erik

    Angående din forespørgsel om lokalhistorisk konsulent Viggo Petersen. Viggo Petersen var for mange år siden arkivar ved Landsarkivet for Sønderjylland og blev siden tilknyttet lokalhistorisk museum i Aalborg.

    Dine øvrige spørgsmål har vi ikke mulighed for at svare på herfra.

    Mvh.

    Morten Andersen

    Arkivar/Forsker

    Landsarkivet for Sønderjylland

    Haderslevvej 45 6200 Aabenraa

    Tlf. 65480307






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  • Jeg sendte en anmeldelse av professor Stephen Harding, ved University of Nottingham, til politiet i Drammen, for trakassering







    Gmail – Anmeldelse av trakassering/Fwd: Viking DNA book – Apologies for problems with Amazon link, now resolved







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    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>




    Anmeldelse av trakassering/Fwd: Viking DNA book – Apologies for problems with Amazon link, now resolved





    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>





    Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 7:46 PM





    To:

    Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk>


    Cc:

    Per Gisle Galåen <Per.Gisle.Galaen@marmuseum.no>, emb.london@mfa.no, gunvor.haustveit@ra.no, frode.kvalo@marmuseum.no, post.sondre.buskerud@politiet.no



    Hi,

    the Icelandic guy you said I'd get along well with is gay you b*stard.
    Now I don't wan't to update you anymore.
    Good luck with the Pakistani Samosa food on the Viking-conference.

    I think you must be a muslim guy mobbing me.
    Don't want anything more to do with you.
    Erik Ribsskog
    ———- Forwarded message ———-

    From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>
    Date: Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 5:17 PM
    Subject: Re: Viking DNA book – Apologies for problems with Amazon link, now resolved

    To: Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk>

    Hi,

    yes, I didn't understand the routine, to get on the conference.

    But, I haden't seen the exhipition yet, Reap and Pillage, so I just went to Chester that day, but the train was a few minutes early, so I got there a bit late.

    And then I spoke with the people working there, at the museum, who got me in there, after the first break.

    I understood it like that one only had to register at the museum, from your website.

    But now I understand, that I should have ordered a ticket.
    This wasn't clear to me, from reading your website.
    But, this is just a hobby for me, with the viking-stuff on the Wirral, so I read about it like I would have read an online newspaper etc.

    But next time I'll make sure to contact the hosts before I go to a conference like that.
    Sorry about that misunderstanding again!
    It sounds very fine about the video of the conference.

    I'll update you if I hear more from the Norwegian Maritime Museum, about the Vikingship, under the pub, Railway Inn, in Meols.
    Thanks again for arranging the fine viking conference!

    Best regards,
    Erik Ribsskog

    On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

    Thanks Erik. We are waiting to receive the video material (and

    permissions) on the conference and hopefully you should be able to

    catch up on the Introduction and the other talks you missed at the start.

    This will also be of benefit to others, particularly the many people

    who wanted to attend but were unable to get tickets.

    Paa gjensyn,

    Steve


    From: Erik Ribsskog

    [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

    Sent: 10 December 2010

    14:16
    To: Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk
    Subject: Fwd:

    Viking DNA book – Apologies for problems with Amazon link, now

    resolved

    Hi,

    that is, I don't want to have this as a life-style, with football-games

    at the Wirral and be mate with the Icelandic guy from the Scandinavian Church,

    etc.

    I only care about the viking-stuff on the Wirral etc.

    Because I have a lot of different interests, like blog, genealogy,

    web-design, etc., etc.

    So I haven't got that much spare-time.

    So this isn't about the community-stuff, this is just about the

    vikingship and the conference.

    Hope you include the questions from the audience, (from me and

    others), in the summary, since I brought up about the vikingship in Meols

    etc.

    Hope this is alright, don't mean to be to direct/inpolite.

    Best regards,

    Erik Ribsskog

    PS.

    Maybe I'll go on a movie, or something, part of the Nordic festival,

    but I haven't got the time to go there all the time, unfortunately.

    I thought about going on Max Manus, (the Norwegian was-movie), in the

    Scandinavian chruch last year.

    And I asked a young Swedish woman, Amanda, who works at Netto,

    Weaverthree, if she had been at the Scandinavian Church, but she hadn't.

    Also, I have an employment-case, against Bertelsmann Arvato Microsoft

    Scandinavian Product Activation:

    Perhaps

    you know someone at the University of Nottingham, who could help me with this

    case, as a pro-bono-case, because this case involved/involves many

    Scandinavians living in Liverpool.

    (My alumumni, at University of Sunderland, haven't replied).

    Also, some of the employees there, had a lot to do with the Scandinavian

    Church, (and are included in the case), an Irish/Swede called Michael

    O'Shaughnessy etc., so I'm a bit vary about the Scandinavian Church, to be

    frank.

    So I think I'll only keep this at the level it's been at, that I only

    go to the odd trip/event at my own choice.

    Hope this is alright!

    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>

    Date:

    Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 1:53 PM
    Subject: Re: Viking DNA book – Apologies for

    problems with Amazon link, now resolved
    To: Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk>

    Hi,

    ok, perhaps I'll do that!

    Thank you very much for your help!

    I'll update you as soon as possible, if I hear something more from the

    Vikingship-experts in Norway.

    Thank you very much again for your reply!

    Best regards,

    Erik Ribsskog

    On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

    Thanks

    Erik

    We'll put a summary up

    soon on http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/-sczsteve and may be able to

    include some videos of the talks – including the Intro – once we

    have permission from the speakers.
    If you like I can also put you in touch with Ingi

    Thor Jonsson – like yourself a resident Livepudlian – who runs the

    annual NICE (Nordic Cultural Events) Festival, I think you and Ingi

    would get on very well. There will eventually be a book based

    on the Conference but that won't be for some

    months,

    Ha det

    bra

    Steve


    Vikings: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/-sczsteve



    From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

    Sent: 07 December 2010 14:53
    To: Stephen

    Harding
    Subject: Re: Viking DNA book – Apologies for problems with

    Amazon link, now resolved

    Hi,

    thank you very much for you e-mail!

    I've now sent about the Vikingship in Meols, to the Norwegian

    Maritime Museum, at Bygdøy, in Oslo.

    They are also experts on vikingships, and the conserving of

    these, like Cultural Historical Musum, in Oslo are.

    I'll update you more, if and when I hear back from them.

    Has anyone written a summary from the viking-conference, which I

    could write about on my blog, since I have a travel-blog etc., where I

    write about my short travels from Liverpool to different Norwegian Viking

    places in the Wirral.

    Thanks in advance for any help!

    Yours sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog

    On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Stephen Harding

    <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

    Dear all,

    Firstly apologies for the bulk nature of

    this email again and secondly apologies to those who have had difficulty

    accessing the book (with its marvellous foreword by Michael Wood)

    through amazon.co.uk.:

    Although because of the demand (many

    thanks!) the site says "Out of Stock" if you click on the "2 new" you

    should be able to order the book immediately and in time for

    Christmas. Thirdly apologies if you have no interest in

    the Vikings!

    All best wishes

    Steve, Turi and Mark


    From: Harding

    Stephen
    Sent: 02 December 2010 14:41
    To: undisclosed

    recipients
    Subject: Viking DNA book


    Dear Colleagues (including many of you who took

    part in the genetic survey of northwest England, 2002-2007, or the

    Nordic Festival in 2008)

    Apologies if you get this message more than once!

    We are writing to bring to your attention a publication we have

    just produced. It focuses on the first part

    of a genetic survey of northern

    England
    – the Wirral and West Lancashire project

    in the northwest – and explains the

    basis behind the DNA method to probe ancestry, the use of

    surnames to help to localize volunteers to specific regions of the

    country, and how genetic methods are being used in conjunction with

    historical, archaeological and linguistic evidence to learn about Viking

    ancestry. It also gives some examples from

    individual results and from comparing populations of people to help show

    what these new technologies can achieve.

    Publication of the book has been supported by one of the UK

    Research Councils who have been supporting the study (the Biotechnology

    and Biological Sciences Research Council) – and Nottingham University

    Press in conjunction with Countyvise Limited have very kindly produced

    this for us and indeed done a splendid job. We

    would like to stress that we as authors are not taking any Royalties or

    profit!

    The book is introduced with a

    brilliant foreword by famous UK/BBC historian/broadcaster

    Michael Wood after which we set out to show as clearly as

    we can, with the help of full colour illustrations – what DNA is and how

    DNA methods can be used to probe both individual and population

    ancestry. For probing Viking ancestry it shows the

    importance of using DNA in conjunction with historical, linguistic,

    place name and archaeological evidence – again with the help of

    many colour illustrations
    , and explains how DNA can be used to

    probe paternal ancestry and maternal ancestry either for individuals or

    for populations of people, explaining also some of the sometimes

    complicated jargon that scientists use.

    A major problem in studying

    population ancestry is the large population movements that have occurred

    since the Industrial Revolution. However there is a

    strong link between surnames and paternal DNA ancestry and the book

    explains how information such as Henry VIII’s tax rolls, , and even

    criminal records (including someone accused of killing a dog in 1348 ….

    found not guilty!) can be used to help establish the volunteer base for

    specific regions of northern England. Using these

    methods significant Scandinavian ancestry (up to 50% of the mixture of

    DNA from the old populations) has been shown for Wirral and West

    Lancashire. One youngster from Wirral was so

    impressed with the results for her father she wrote a

    School project “My Viking Dad and his Viking Dog”! The book finishes

    with a look towards the current testing of other regions of Northern

    England and the research currently being undertaken with

    colleagues in Norway to study the genetic profile of Scandinavia in

    the Viking Age.

    This broadcast on BBC

    Radio 4 gives some more information about the survey: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/making_history/making_history_20080520.shtml (after

    the first minute or so)

    So we think it will be a useful read for anyone interested

    in DNA ancestry and, after seeing what we have done in the North West,

    give people from other regions an idea of how their own past could be

    researched. The book is 150 pages long and

    extensively illustrated in colour. The

    book has just become available in all good

    bookshops in the north West or from
    Amazon.co.uk *and would make an excellent Christmas

    present.

    Steve Harding, Mark Jobling and Turi King





    Stephen Harding DSc(Oxon)
    Professor of Applied

    Biochemistry
    NCMH Laboratory,
    University of Nottingham
    Sutton

    Bonington
    LE12 5RD,

    UK

    http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/sczsteve

    steve.harding@nottingham.ac.uk
    *in case of difficulty contact us on this email

    address, and we will put you in contact with Nottingham University Press

    or Countyvise

    This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee

    and may contain confidential information. If you have received this

    message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it.

    Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this

    message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the

    author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the

    University of Nottingham.

    This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an

    attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your

    computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email

    communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as

    permitted by UK legislation.






    PS.

    Her kan man se hvorfor jeg skriver at han islendingen, som han profesoren fra Nottingham, ville ha meg til å bli kjent med, er homo. (Pink er en homoklubb, i Liverpool):

    pink er homo-klubb

    http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=801967925

  • Jeg sendte en ny e-post til Norsk Maritimt Museum







    Gmail – Oppdatering/Fwd: Viking DNA book – Apologies for problems with Amazon link, now resolved







    Gmail



    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>




    Oppdatering/Fwd: Viking DNA book – Apologies for problems with Amazon link, now resolved





    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>





    Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 5:47 PM





    To:

    Per.Gisle.Galaen@marmuseum.no, frode.kvalo@marmuseum.no


    Cc:

    Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk


    Bcc:

    emb.london@mfa.no, gunvor.haustveit@ra.no



    Hvis dere ikke svarer, fra Norsk Maritimt Museum, så sladrer jeg til Riksantikvaren.

    Det var de som sa at dere hadde greie på det her.
    Britene svarer med en gang.
    Med hilsen

    Erik Ribsskog
    PS.
    Kulturhistorisk Museum har heller ikke svart.
    Jeg sender til alle i den rekkefølgen som Riksantikvaren listet de opp, i denne e-posten:

    From: Haustveit, Gunvor <gunvor.haustveit@ra.no>

    Date: 2010/10/18

    Subject: Svar på spørsmål "hjelp med å grave opp vikingskip i England"

    To: eribsskog@gmail.com

    Hei og takk for
    e-post.

    Det er flere kompetansesentra og forskere som er dyktige på feltet

    om vikingskip. Anbefaler først og fremst: Kulturhistorisk museum med
    Vikingskipshuset, dernest Norsk Maritimt Museum og Norsk Institutt for
    kulturminneforskning. I Danmark er det kompetanse ved Roskilde museum.

    Lykke til!


    Helsing

    Gunvor Haustveit
    Informasjonsseksjonen


    Riksantikvaren

    Postboks 8196 Dep

    0034 Oslo
    Tlf: + 47 98 20 27 60

    www.riksantikvaren.no

    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>

    Date: Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 5:17 PM
    Subject: Re: Viking DNA book – Apologies for problems with Amazon link, now resolved
    To: Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk>

    Hi,

    yes, I didn't understand the routine, to get on the conference.
    But, I haden't seen the exhipition yet, Reap and Pillage, so I just went to Chester that day, but the train was a few minutes early, so I got there a bit late.

    And then I spoke with the people working there, at the museum, who got me in there, after the first break.

    I understood it like that one only had to register at the museum, from your website.

    But now I understand, that I should have ordered a ticket.
    This wasn't clear to me, from reading your website.
    But, this is just a hobby for me, with the viking-stuff on the Wirral, so I read about it like I would have read an online newspaper etc.

    But next time I'll make sure to contact the hosts before I go to a conference like that.
    Sorry about that misunderstanding again!
    It sounds very fine about the video of the conference.

    I'll update you if I hear more from the Norwegian Maritime Museum, about the Vikingship, under the pub, Railway Inn, in Meols.
    Thanks again for arranging the fine viking conference!

    Best regards,
    Erik Ribsskog

    On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

    Thanks Erik. We are waiting to receive the video material (and

    permissions) on the conference and hopefully you should be able to

    catch up on the Introduction and the other talks you missed at the start.

    This will also be of benefit to others, particularly the many people

    who wanted to attend but were unable to get tickets.

    Paa gjensyn,

    Steve


    From: Erik Ribsskog

    [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

    Sent: 10 December 2010

    14:16
    To: Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk
    Subject: Fwd:

    Viking DNA book – Apologies for problems with Amazon link, now

    resolved

    Hi,

    that is, I don't want to have this as a life-style, with football-games

    at the Wirral and be mate with the Icelandic guy from the Scandinavian Church,

    etc.

    I only care about the viking-stuff on the Wirral etc.

    Because I have a lot of different interests, like blog, genealogy,

    web-design, etc., etc.

    So I haven't got that much spare-time.

    So this isn't about the community-stuff, this is just about the

    vikingship and the conference.

    Hope you include the questions from the audience, (from me and

    others), in the summary, since I brought up about the vikingship in Meols

    etc.

    Hope this is alright, don't mean to be to direct/inpolite.

    Best regards,

    Erik Ribsskog

    PS.

    Maybe I'll go on a movie, or something, part of the Nordic festival,

    but I haven't got the time to go there all the time, unfortunately.

    I thought about going on Max Manus, (the Norwegian was-movie), in the

    Scandinavian chruch last year.

    And I asked a young Swedish woman, Amanda, who works at Netto,

    Weaverthree, if she had been at the Scandinavian Church, but she hadn't.

    Also, I have an employment-case, against Bertelsmann Arvato Microsoft

    Scandinavian Product Activation:

    Perhaps

    you know someone at the University of Nottingham, who could help me with this

    case, as a pro-bono-case, because this case involved/involves many

    Scandinavians living in Liverpool.

    (My alumumni, at University of Sunderland, haven't replied).

    Also, some of the employees there, had a lot to do with the Scandinavian

    Church, (and are included in the case), an Irish/Swede called Michael

    O'Shaughnessy etc., so I'm a bit vary about the Scandinavian Church, to be

    frank.

    So I think I'll only keep this at the level it's been at, that I only

    go to the odd trip/event at my own choice.

    Hope this is alright!

    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>

    Date:

    Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 1:53 PM
    Subject: Re: Viking DNA book – Apologies for

    problems with Amazon link, now resolved
    To: Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk>

    Hi,

    ok, perhaps I'll do that!

    Thank you very much for your help!

    I'll update you as soon as possible, if I hear something more from the

    Vikingship-experts in Norway.

    Thank you very much again for your reply!

    Best regards,

    Erik Ribsskog

    On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

    Thanks

    Erik

    We'll put a summary up

    soon on http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/-sczsteve and may be able to

    include some videos of the talks – including the Intro – once we

    have permission from the speakers.
    If you like I can also put you in touch with Ingi

    Thor Jonsson – like yourself a resident Livepudlian – who runs the

    annual NICE (Nordic Cultural Events) Festival, I think you and Ingi

    would get on very well. There will eventually be a book based

    on the Conference but that won't be for some

    months,

    Ha det

    bra

    Steve


    Vikings: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/-sczsteve



    From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

    Sent: 07 December 2010 14:53
    To: Stephen

    Harding
    Subject: Re: Viking DNA book – Apologies for problems with

    Amazon link, now resolved

    Hi,

    thank you very much for you e-mail!

    I've now sent about the Vikingship in Meols, to the Norwegian

    Maritime Museum, at Bygdøy, in Oslo.

    They are also experts on vikingships, and the conserving of

    these, like Cultural Historical Musum, in Oslo are.

    I'll update you more, if and when I hear back from them.

    Has anyone written a summary from the viking-conference, which I

    could write about on my blog, since I have a travel-blog etc., where I

    write about my short travels from Liverpool to different Norwegian Viking

    places in the Wirral.

    Thanks in advance for any help!

    Yours sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog

    On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Stephen Harding

    <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

    Dear all,

    Firstly apologies for the bulk nature of

    this email again and secondly apologies to those who have had difficulty

    accessing the book (with its marvellous foreword by Michael Wood)

    through amazon.co.uk.:

    Although because of the demand (many

    thanks!) the site says "Out of Stock" if you click on the "2 new" you

    should be able to order the book immediately and in time for

    Christmas. Thirdly apologies if you have no interest in

    the Vikings!

    All best wishes

    Steve, Turi and Mark


    From: Harding

    Stephen
    Sent: 02 December 2010 14:41
    To: undisclosed

    recipients
    Subject: Viking DNA book


    Dear Colleagues (including many of you who took

    part in the genetic survey of northwest England, 2002-2007, or the

    Nordic Festival in 2008)

    Apologies if you get this message more than once!

    We are writing to bring to your attention a publication we have

    just produced. It focuses on the first part

    of a genetic survey of northern

    England
    – the Wirral and West Lancashire project

    in the northwest – and explains the

    basis behind the DNA method to probe ancestry, the use of

    surnames to help to localize volunteers to specific regions of the

    country, and how genetic methods are being used in conjunction with

    historical, archaeological and linguistic evidence to learn about Viking

    ancestry. It also gives some examples from

    individual results and from comparing populations of people to help show

    what these new technologies can achieve.

    Publication of the book has been supported by one of the UK

    Research Councils who have been supporting the study (the Biotechnology

    and Biological Sciences Research Council) – and Nottingham University

    Press in conjunction with Countyvise Limited have very kindly produced

    this for us and indeed done a splendid job. We

    would like to stress that we as authors are not taking any Royalties or

    profit!

    The book is introduced with a

    brilliant foreword by famous UK/BBC historian/broadcaster

    Michael Wood after which we set out to show as clearly as

    we can, with the help of full colour illustrations – what DNA is and how

    DNA methods can be used to probe both individual and population

    ancestry. For probing Viking ancestry it shows the

    importance of using DNA in conjunction with historical, linguistic,

    place name and archaeological evidence – again with the help of

    many colour illustrations
    , and explains how DNA can be used to

    probe paternal ancestry and maternal ancestry either for individuals or

    for populations of people, explaining also some of the sometimes

    complicated jargon that scientists use.

    A major problem in studying

    population ancestry is the large population movements that have occurred

    since the Industrial Revolution. However there is a

    strong link between surnames and paternal DNA ancestry and the book

    explains how information such as Henry VIII’s tax rolls, , and even

    criminal records (including someone accused of killing a dog in 1348 ….

    found not guilty!) can be used to help establish the volunteer base for

    specific regions of northern England. Using these

    methods significant Scandinavian ancestry (up to 50% of the mixture of

    DNA from the old populations) has been shown for Wirral and West

    Lancashire. One youngster from Wirral was so

    impressed with the results for her father she wrote a

    School project “My Viking Dad and his Viking Dog”! The book finishes

    with a look towards the current testing of other regions of Northern

    England and the research currently being undertaken with

    colleagues in Norway to study the genetic profile of Scandinavia in

    the Viking Age.

    This broadcast on BBC

    Radio 4 gives some more information about the survey: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/making_history/making_history_20080520.shtml (after

    the first minute or so)

    So we think it will be a useful read for anyone interested

    in DNA ancestry and, after seeing what we have done in the North West,

    give people from other regions an idea of how their own past could be

    researched. The book is 150 pages long and

    extensively illustrated in colour. The

    book has just become available in all good

    bookshops in the north West or from
    Amazon.co.uk *and would make an excellent Christmas

    present.

    Steve Harding, Mark Jobling and Turi King





    Stephen Harding DSc(Oxon)
    Professor of Applied

    Biochemistry
    NCMH Laboratory,
    University of Nottingham
    Sutton

    Bonington
    LE12 5RD,

    UK

    http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/sczsteve

    steve.harding@nottingham.ac.uk
    *in case of difficulty contact us on this email

    address, and we will put you in contact with Nottingham University Press

    or Countyvise

    This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee

    and may contain confidential information. If you have received this

    message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it.

    Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this

    message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the

    author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the

    University of Nottingham.

    This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an

    attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your

    computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email

    communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as

    permitted by UK legislation.






  • Jeg sendte en ny e-post om vikingene på the Wirral







    Gmail – Viking DNA book – Apologies for problems with Amazon link, now resolved







    Gmail



    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>




    Viking DNA book – Apologies for problems with Amazon link, now resolved





    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>





    Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 5:17 PM





    To:

    Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk>



    Hi,

    yes, I didn't understand the routine, to get on the conference.
    But, I haden't seen the exhipition yet, Reap and Pillage, so I just went to Chester that day, but the train was a few minutes early, so I got there a bit late.

    And then I spoke with the people working there, at the museum, who got me in there, after the first break.

    I understood it like that one only had to register at the museum, from your website.

    But now I understand, that I should have ordered a ticket.
    This wasn't clear to me, from reading your website.
    But, this is just a hobby for me, with the viking-stuff on the Wirral, so I read about it like I would have read an online newspaper etc.

    But next time I'll make sure to contact the hosts before I go to a conference like that.
    Sorry about that misunderstanding again!
    It sounds very fine about the video of the conference.

    I'll update you if I hear more from the Norwegian Maritime Museum, about the Vikingship, under the pub, Railway Inn, in Meols.
    Thanks again for arranging the fine viking conference!

    Best regards,
    Erik Ribsskog

    On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

    Thanks Erik. We are waiting to receive the video material (and

    permissions) on the conference and hopefully you should be able to

    catch up on the Introduction and the other talks you missed at the start.

    This will also be of benefit to others, particularly the many people

    who wanted to attend but were unable to get tickets.

    Paa gjensyn,

    Steve


    From: Erik Ribsskog

    [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

    Sent: 10 December 2010

    14:16
    To: Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk
    Subject: Fwd:

    Viking DNA book – Apologies for problems with Amazon link, now

    resolved

    Hi,

    that is, I don't want to have this as a life-style, with football-games

    at the Wirral and be mate with the Icelandic guy from the Scandinavian Church,

    etc.

    I only care about the viking-stuff on the Wirral etc.

    Because I have a lot of different interests, like blog, genealogy,

    web-design, etc., etc.

    So I haven't got that much spare-time.

    So this isn't about the community-stuff, this is just about the

    vikingship and the conference.

    Hope you include the questions from the audience, (from me and

    others), in the summary, since I brought up about the vikingship in Meols

    etc.

    Hope this is alright, don't mean to be to direct/inpolite.

    Best regards,

    Erik Ribsskog

    PS.

    Maybe I'll go on a movie, or something, part of the Nordic festival,

    but I haven't got the time to go there all the time, unfortunately.

    I thought about going on Max Manus, (the Norwegian was-movie), in the

    Scandinavian chruch last year.

    And I asked a young Swedish woman, Amanda, who works at Netto,

    Weaverthree, if she had been at the Scandinavian Church, but she hadn't.

    Also, I have an employment-case, against Bertelsmann Arvato Microsoft

    Scandinavian Product Activation:

    Perhaps

    you know someone at the University of Nottingham, who could help me with this

    case, as a pro-bono-case, because this case involved/involves many

    Scandinavians living in Liverpool.

    (My alumumni, at University of Sunderland, haven't replied).

    Also, some of the employees there, had a lot to do with the Scandinavian

    Church, (and are included in the case), an Irish/Swede called Michael

    O'Shaughnessy etc., so I'm a bit vary about the Scandinavian Church, to be

    frank.

    So I think I'll only keep this at the level it's been at, that I only

    go to the odd trip/event at my own choice.

    Hope this is alright!

    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>

    Date:

    Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 1:53 PM
    Subject: Re: Viking DNA book – Apologies for

    problems with Amazon link, now resolved
    To: Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk>

    Hi,

    ok, perhaps I'll do that!

    Thank you very much for your help!

    I'll update you as soon as possible, if I hear something more from the

    Vikingship-experts in Norway.

    Thank you very much again for your reply!

    Best regards,

    Erik Ribsskog

    On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

    Thanks

    Erik

    We'll put a summary up

    soon on http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/-sczsteve and may be able to

    include some videos of the talks – including the Intro – once we

    have permission from the speakers.
    If you like I can also put you in touch with Ingi

    Thor Jonsson – like yourself a resident Livepudlian – who runs the

    annual NICE (Nordic Cultural Events) Festival, I think you and Ingi

    would get on very well. There will eventually be a book based

    on the Conference but that won't be for some

    months,

    Ha det

    bra

    Steve


    Vikings: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/-sczsteve



    From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

    Sent: 07 December 2010 14:53
    To: Stephen

    Harding
    Subject: Re: Viking DNA book – Apologies for problems with

    Amazon link, now resolved

    Hi,

    thank you very much for you e-mail!

    I've now sent about the Vikingship in Meols, to the Norwegian

    Maritime Museum, at Bygdøy, in Oslo.

    They are also experts on vikingships, and the conserving of

    these, like Cultural Historical Musum, in Oslo are.

    I'll update you more, if and when I hear back from them.

    Has anyone written a summary from the viking-conference, which I

    could write about on my blog, since I have a travel-blog etc., where I

    write about my short travels from Liverpool to different Norwegian Viking

    places in the Wirral.

    Thanks in advance for any help!

    Yours sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog

    On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Stephen Harding

    <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

    Dear all,

    Firstly apologies for the bulk nature of

    this email again and secondly apologies to those who have had difficulty

    accessing the book (with its marvellous foreword by Michael Wood)

    through amazon.co.uk.:

    Although because of the demand (many

    thanks!) the site says "Out of Stock" if you click on the "2 new" you

    should be able to order the book immediately and in time for

    Christmas. Thirdly apologies if you have no interest in

    the Vikings!

    All best wishes

    Steve, Turi and Mark


    From: Harding

    Stephen
    Sent: 02 December 2010 14:41
    To: undisclosed

    recipients
    Subject: Viking DNA book


    Dear Colleagues (including many of you who took

    part in the genetic survey of northwest England, 2002-2007, or the

    Nordic Festival in 2008)

    Apologies if you get this message more than once!

    We are writing to bring to your attention a publication we have

    just produced. It focuses on the first part

    of a genetic survey of northern

    England
    – the Wirral and West Lancashire project

    in the northwest – and explains the

    basis behind the DNA method to probe ancestry, the use of

    surnames to help to localize volunteers to specific regions of the

    country, and how genetic methods are being used in conjunction with

    historical, archaeological and linguistic evidence to learn about Viking

    ancestry. It also gives some examples from

    individual results and from comparing populations of people to help show

    what these new technologies can achieve.

    Publication of the book has been supported by one of the UK

    Research Councils who have been supporting the study (the Biotechnology

    and Biological Sciences Research Council) – and Nottingham University

    Press in conjunction with Countyvise Limited have very kindly produced

    this for us and indeed done a splendid job. We

    would like to stress that we as authors are not taking any Royalties or

    profit!

    The book is introduced with a

    brilliant foreword by famous UK/BBC historian/broadcaster

    Michael Wood after which we set out to show as clearly as

    we can, with the help of full colour illustrations – what DNA is and how

    DNA methods can be used to probe both individual and population

    ancestry. For probing Viking ancestry it shows the

    importance of using DNA in conjunction with historical, linguistic,

    place name and archaeological evidence – again with the help of

    many colour illustrations
    , and explains how DNA can be used to

    probe paternal ancestry and maternal ancestry either for individuals or

    for populations of people, explaining also some of the sometimes

    complicated jargon that scientists use.

    A major problem in studying

    population ancestry is the large population movements that have occurred

    since the Industrial Revolution. However there is a

    strong link between surnames and paternal DNA ancestry and the book

    explains how information such as Henry VIII’s tax rolls, , and even

    criminal records (including someone accused of killing a dog in 1348 ….

    found not guilty!) can be used to help establish the volunteer base for

    specific regions of northern England. Using these

    methods significant Scandinavian ancestry (up to 50% of the mixture of

    DNA from the old populations) has been shown for Wirral and West

    Lancashire. One youngster from Wirral was so

    impressed with the results for her father she wrote a

    School project “My Viking Dad and his Viking Dog”! The book finishes

    with a look towards the current testing of other regions of Northern

    England and the research currently being undertaken with

    colleagues in Norway to study the genetic profile of Scandinavia in

    the Viking Age.

    This broadcast on BBC

    Radio 4 gives some more information about the survey: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/making_history/making_history_20080520.shtml (after

    the first minute or so)

    So we think it will be a useful read for anyone interested

    in DNA ancestry and, after seeing what we have done in the North West,

    give people from other regions an idea of how their own past could be

    researched. The book is 150 pages long and

    extensively illustrated in colour. The

    book has just become available in all good

    bookshops in the north West or from
    Amazon.co.uk *and would make an excellent Christmas

    present.

    Steve Harding, Mark Jobling and Turi King





    Stephen Harding DSc(Oxon)
    Professor of Applied

    Biochemistry
    NCMH Laboratory,
    University of Nottingham
    Sutton

    Bonington
    LE12 5RD,

    UK

    http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/sczsteve

    steve.harding@nottingham.ac.uk
    *in case of difficulty contact us on this email

    address, and we will put you in contact with Nottingham University Press

    or Countyvise

    This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee

    and may contain confidential information. If you have received this

    message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it.

    Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this

    message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the

    author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the

    University of Nottingham.

    This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an

    attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your

    computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email

    communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as

    permitted by UK legislation.






  • Jeg fikk en ny e-post fra the Landlord







    Gmail – Problems with pipe?







    Gmail



    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>




    Problems with pipe?





    Lorna Murphy

    <LornaMurphy@tjthomas.co.uk>





    Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:00 AM





    To:

    Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>




    will report it to workmen

    thanks


    From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

    Sent: 09 December 2010 18:37
    To: Lorna

    Murphy
    Subject: Fwd: Problems with pipe?


    Hi Lorna,

    I know I have arrears on the rent, but am waiting for an inheretance, after

    my Danish-born grandmother, Ingeborg Ribsskog, in Norway, who died in the summer

    of 2009, but my relatives are a bit slow.

    I'll be at your office later this month, when I get the housing

    benefit.

    The reason I'm writing now, is that the lights in the staircase, at

    ground-floor, and the second floor, in Hope Chambers aren't working.

    So someone could fall and break their neck.

    I just wanted to update you about this.

    Best regards,

    Erik Ribsskog

    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>
    Date:

    Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 3:01 AM
    Subject: Problems with pipe?
    To: sales@tjthomas.co.uk

    Hi,

    I'm not sure if this is the right e-mail address to write to.

    It seems the fan over the owen isn't working now, even if it makes a lot of

    sound.

    Maybe the pipe on the top of the roof, isn't open, I'm wondering.

    Best regards,

    Erik Ribsskog

    Flat 3, Hope Chambers






  • Mer om vikingskipet på the Wirral etc.







    Gmail – Viking DNA book – Apologies for problems with Amazon link, now resolved







    Gmail



    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>




    Viking DNA book – Apologies for problems with Amazon link, now resolved





    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>





    Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 2:15 PM





    To:

    Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk



    Hi,

    that is, I don't want to have this as a life-style, with football-games at the Wirral and be mate with the Icelandic guy from the Scandinavian Church, etc.
    I only care about the viking-stuff on the Wirral etc.

    Because I have a lot of different interests, like blog, genealogy, web-design, etc., etc.
    So I haven't got that much spare-time.
    So this isn't about the community-stuff, this is just about the vikingship and the conference.

    Hope you include the questions from the audience, (from me and others), in the summary, since I brought up about the vikingship in Meols etc.
    Hope this is alright, don't mean to be to direct/inpolite.

    Best regards,
    Erik Ribsskog

    PS.
    Maybe I'll go on a movie, or something, part of the Nordic festival, but I haven't got the time to go there all the time, unfortunately.

    I thought about going on Max Manus, (the Norwegian was-movie), in the Scandinavian chruch last year.
    And I asked a young Swedish woman, Amanda, who works at Netto, Weaverthree, if she had been at the Scandinavian Church, but she hadn't.

    Also, I have an employment-case, against Bertelsmann Arvato Microsoft Scandinavian Product Activation:

    Perhaps you know someone at the University of Nottingham, who could help me with this case, as a pro-bono-case, because this case involved/involves many Scandinavians living in Liverpool.

    (My alumumni, at University of Sunderland, haven't replied).
    Also, some of the employees there, had a lot to do with the Scandinavian Church, (and are included in the case), an Irish/Swede called Michael O'Shaughnessy etc., so I'm a bit vary about the Scandinavian Church, to be frank.

    So I think I'll only keep this at the level it's been at, that I only go to the odd trip/event at my own choice.
    Hope this is alright!

    ———- Forwarded message ———-

    From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>
    Date: Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 1:53 PM
    Subject: Re: Viking DNA book – Apologies for problems with Amazon link, now resolved


    To: Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk>

    Hi,

    ok, perhaps I'll do that!
    Thank you very much for your help!

    I'll update you as soon as possible, if I hear something more from the Vikingship-experts in Norway.

    Thank you very much again for your reply!
    Best regards,
    Erik Ribsskog

    On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

    Thanks Erik

    We'll put a summary up soon on http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/-sczsteve

    and may be able to include some videos of the talks – including the Intro

    – once we have permission from the speakers.
    If you like I can

    also put you in touch with Ingi Thor Jonsson – like yourself a

    resident Livepudlian – who runs the annual NICE (Nordic Cultural Events)

    Festival, I think you and Ingi would get on very well. There will

    eventually be a book based on the Conference but that won't be for some

    months,

    Ha det bra

    Steve


    Vikings: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/-sczsteve



    From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

    Sent: 07 December 2010 14:53
    To: Stephen

    Harding
    Subject: Re: Viking DNA book – Apologies for problems with

    Amazon link, now resolved

    Hi,

    thank you very much for you e-mail!

    I've now sent about the Vikingship in Meols, to the Norwegian

    Maritime Museum, at Bygdøy, in Oslo.

    They are also experts on vikingships, and the conserving of these,

    like Cultural Historical Musum, in Oslo are.

    I'll update you more, if and when I hear back from them.

    Has anyone written a summary from the viking-conference, which I

    could write about on my blog, since I have a travel-blog etc., where I write

    about my short travels from Liverpool to different Norwegian Viking places in

    the Wirral.

    Thanks in advance for any help!

    Yours sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog

    On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk>

    wrote:

    Dear all,

    Firstly apologies for the bulk nature of this

    email again and secondly apologies to those who have had difficulty

    accessing the book (with its marvellous foreword by Michael Wood) through amazon.co.uk.:

    Although because of the demand (many thanks!)

    the site says "Out of Stock" if you click on the "2 new" you should be able

    to order the book immediately and in time for Christmas. Thirdly

    apologies if you have no interest in the Vikings!

    All best wishes

    Steve, Turi and Mark


    From: Harding

    Stephen
    Sent: 02 December 2010 14:41
    To: undisclosed

    recipients
    Subject: Viking DNA book


    Dear Colleagues (including many of you who took part

    in the genetic survey of northwest England, 2002-2007, or the Nordic

    Festival in 2008)

    Apologies if you get this message more than once!

    We are writing to bring to your attention a publication we have just

    produced. It focuses on the first part of a

    genetic
    survey of northern England – the Wirral and

    West Lancashire project in the northwest – and

    explains the basis behind the DNA method to probe

    ancestry, the use of surnames to help to localize volunteers to specific

    regions of the country, and how genetic methods are being used in

    conjunction with historical, archaeological and linguistic evidence to learn

    about Viking ancestry. It also gives some examples

    from individual results and from comparing populations of people to help

    show what these new technologies can achieve.

    Publication of the book has been supported by one of the UK

    Research Councils who have been supporting the study (the Biotechnology and

    Biological Sciences Research Council) – and Nottingham University Press in

    conjunction with Countyvise Limited have very kindly produced this for us

    and indeed done a splendid job. We would like to

    stress that we as authors are not taking any Royalties or

    profit!

    The book is introduced with a

    brilliant foreword by famous UK/BBC historian/broadcaster

    Michael Wood after which we set out to show as clearly as we

    can, with the help of full colour illustrations – what DNA is and how DNA

    methods can be used to probe both individual and population

    ancestry. For probing Viking ancestry it shows the

    importance of using DNA in conjunction with historical, linguistic, place

    name and archaeological evidence – again with the help of many colour

    illustrations
    , and explains how DNA can be used to probe paternal

    ancestry and maternal ancestry either for individuals or for populations of

    people, explaining also some of the sometimes complicated jargon that

    scientists use.

    A major problem in studying

    population ancestry is the large population movements that have occurred

    since the Industrial Revolution. However there is a

    strong link between surnames and paternal DNA ancestry and the book explains

    how information such as Henry VIII’s tax rolls, , and even criminal records

    (including someone accused of killing a dog in 1348 …. found not guilty!)

    can be used to help establish the volunteer base for specific regions of

    northern England. Using these methods significant

    Scandinavian ancestry (up to 50% of the mixture of DNA from the old

    populations) has been shown for Wirral and West Lancashire.

    One youngster from Wirral was so impressed with the

    results for her father she wrote a School project “My

    Viking Dad and his Viking Dog”! The book finishes with a look towards the

    current testing of other regions of Northern England and the research

    currently being undertaken with colleagues in Norway to study the genetic

    profile of Scandinavia in the Viking Age.

    This broadcast on BBC Radio

    4 gives some more information about the survey: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/making_history/making_history_20080520.shtml (after

    the first minute or so)

    So we think it will be a useful read for anyone interested in

    DNA ancestry and, after seeing what we have done in the North West, give

    people from other regions an idea of how their own past could be

    researched. The book is 150 pages long and

    extensively illustrated in colour. The

    book has just become available in all good bookshops

    in the north West or from
    Amazon.co.uk *and would make an

    excellent Christmas present.

    Steve Harding, Mark Jobling and Turi King





    Stephen Harding DSc(Oxon)
    Professor of Applied

    Biochemistry
    NCMH Laboratory,
    University of Nottingham
    Sutton

    Bonington
    LE12 5RD,

    UK

    http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/sczsteve

    steve.harding@nottingham.ac.uk
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  • Mer fra Sverige




    Hej hej,

    Erik Ribsskog 9. desember kl. 21:12

    Vafår sendar du mig Venneforfrågan?

    Jag har varit på Statshotellet i Karlstad. Sola skinner alltid i Karlstad.

    Min farsa köpte en ljusbrun skinnjakka åt meg, och en amerikansk flagga, på en söndag, i en lite gömd affär, i Karlstad, i början på 80-tallet.

    Jag såg även en elefant, från sirkus, som paraderade i stan, og vann på en lotta(?)

    Vafår gjör du så her?

    Erik Ribsskog

    Roland Järverup 9. desember kl. 21:13 Rapporter

    Känner du Eda?

    Erik Ribsskog 9. desember kl. 21:14

    Nei, det gjør jeg nok ikke dessverre, hvem er det?

    Erik Ribsskog 9. desember kl. 21:22

    Er det hun som bor i Manchester, og som jeg traff på toget?

    Erik Ribsskog 9. desember kl. 21:35

    Hun Eda, hun var fra Vestkysten, av Sverige, sør for Gøteborg da sikkert.

    Hun bodde i Manchester, og hadde fått besøk av en ung, svensk mann, fra Stockholm, eller Gotland, eller ihvertfall Østre Sverige.

    De pratet høyt så jeg hørte at de var svenske.

    Hun dama holdt med Manchester City.

    Hun pratet høyt om at hun ville ha sex med han svenske mannen, når de kom hjem, sånn at jeg kunne høre det, etter at jeg hadde sluttet å prate med de.

    Men sånn er svenske damer regner jeg med, at de lar hele toget høre om sex-livet sitt.

    Hvem vet.

    Erik Ribsskog 9. desember kl. 21:51

    Hun Emelie Wallin, fra Arvato, var også sånn.

    Det var akkurat som om hu prøvde å få de som ringte for aktivere Windows, til å bli kåte, de svenske menna.

    Hu gråt også i heisen, og sa at hun var 'sjuk'.

    Men hun ville ikke ha febermedisin.

    Senere forsvant hun fra jobben, og ble syk, eller 'syk', og kom vel aldri tilbake.

    Anna Nordmark var også sykmeldt der, (på Bertelsmann Arvato sin skandinaviske produktaktivering), og jobbet bare en gang, på den tiden jeg jobbet der, (fra august 2005 til november 2006).

    Ei på Netto, i Weaverthree, som også er svensk, kunne høre jeg var norsk.

    Hva heter hun da.

    Jeg husker ikke nå, jeg kan sjekke det opp.

    Elisabeth Liljegren, som hadde Abba-show, sammen med søstera si, Ellinor, lagde tegnefilm, av en naken rumpe, som hun sendte meg, på Bertelsmann/Microsoft, gjennom Emelie Wallin.

    De Liljegren-søstrene, som også hadde vært i Leeds.

    De var jeg på fest hos, høsten 2005, gjennom Margrethe Augestad, fra Drammen.

    De norske jentene gikk hjem, uten å be meg på nachspiel.

    Og de svenske, de lukket ikke opp porten, når jeg skulle hjem.

    Så jeg måtte klatre over en rulle og et farlig gjerde med gitter, så jeg kunne spiddet meg, (for de har innbrudssikre og inhumane gjerder her i England).

    Ellinor Liljegren spilte og sang en sang av Wresjvik, Frederik Åkare og et jentenavn.

    Hun Emelie Wallin vil ikke prate om jobb, og hun gråt da jeg ringte henne, for å høre hvorfor hun slutta på Microsoft.

    De Liljegren-jentene jobber på et Gym i Sverige, men hun Ellinor har visst ikke e-post adresse der.

    Mvh.

    Erik Ribsskog

    Erik Ribsskog 9. desember kl. 21:55

    Nei, hun het ikke Eda, hun heller.

    Hun het Amanda, hun svenske fra Netto Weaverthree, som kunne høre at jeg var norsk.

    Mvh.

    Erik Ribsskog

    Erik Ribsskog 9. desember kl. 22:00

    Også ei som het Sophie Linvall Johnson, på Arvato.

    Hu var så glad i jobben, så hu spytta, mens hu prata, husker jeg, på telefonen, en gang hun satt ved siden av meg, høsten 2005, må det vel ha vært.

    Men men.

    Hun klagde også, på at hennes engelske kjæreste, ikke var noe snill, når de var hjemme.

    Charlotte Liljegren og ei som het Malin, klagde på at det var bedre i Leeds, enn her i Liverpool.

    Men jeg skjønte ikke nøyaktig hva de mente.

    Men men.

    Mvh.

    Erik Ribsskog

    Erik Ribsskog 9. desember kl. 22:07

    Du mener hu i Stockholm, som f*tta lukta vondt på, som jeg traff i Oslo, sommeren 2000, var det vel.

    Hun veldig pene, men som vel var anorektisk, og som måtte gå innom Baronen, før hun kunne gå på nachspiel?

    Hun hørte på han Bjørn Rosengren og den 'yksa, yksa, yksa'-sangen.

    Noe sånt.

    Men men.

    Bare noe jeg tenkte på.

    Mvh.

    Erik Ribsskog

    Erik Ribsskog 9. desember kl. 22:10

    Jeg traff også noen svenske unge damer, i Aiya Napa, sommeren 1998.

    Første kvelden, så stod hu ene, og trykte puppene mot meg, i baren på hotellet.

    Men etter det, så var de bare hjemme, hele uka, tror jeg.

    De var vel fra Stockholm, de og.

    Hu som trykte puppa, stjal en fotball, fra noen unger.

    Hu ble med for å drikke vodka, (Vikingfjord, fra tax-freen på Gardermoen), men kasta opp, eller noe.

    Og klagde senere, på at noe galt hadde skjedd, (at hun spydde?).

    Så det er mulig at noe var galt med de svenske jentene på Aiya Napa, i 1998, men det jo lenge siden.

    Men men.

    Bare noe jeg kom på.

    Mvh.

    Erik Ribsskog

    Erik Ribsskog 9. desember kl. 23:20

    Och varför min farsa skulle kjøpa ljusbrun skinnjakka åt meg, som va ungefär 10-11 år, det vet jag inte.

    Jag protesterade, men min farsa ville inte höra.

    Men så ville min farsa også köpa en sydstatsflagga, av nån anledning.

    Og da protesterade jag igjen, för det hadde jeg lest om i en herrtidning, Vi menn, som min farsa abonerade på, at var relaterad til ku klax klan och så vidare.

    Så da fikk jag min farsa, som insisterade på å kjöpa en flagga, til at i stellet köpa Stars and Stripes iställat for sydståtsflaggan.

    Jag gillade inte den her skinnjakkan, men min farsa tvingde meg bära den, til skolan etc.

    Och den amerikanska flaggan, (i stor storlek), hang han upp, på sovrum, som han aldri använde, eftersom han hadde en sambo, Haldis Humlen, i et annat hus på Bergeråsen.

    Så jag tog over min farsas sövrum, från ja var 10-11 år, eftersom min farsa satt inn en vannseng der, som han aldrig använde.

    Men jakkan blev stulen på barnskolan jag gikk i 4. eller 5. klass på, medan jag spelade fotball.

    Men vaför han ville kjøpe sånna där ting, i Karlstad, i en amcar-affär, eller nått der, det vet jag inte.

    Men han är antagligen nåt Ku Klux Klan, eller lignande.

    Nått sånt där.

    Endast något jag kom ihåg.

    Erik Ribsskog

    Roland Järverup 10. desember kl. 08:10 Rapporter

    Eda är från Tallinn.

    Tallinn er som hemma, fast annorlunda.

    Erik Ribsskog 10. desember kl. 13:48

    Nei tyvärr, jag kjenner nog ingen från Estland.

    Er Eda i Johanitterordenen, eftersom jag har nogra slektningar i min farsas nya familj, som er i den orderen, och som antageligen/möjligen forföljer meg?

    Du borda endra ditt passord möjligen sånn at Eda inte anvender ditt Facebook, för at mobba dom som Johanitterorderen forföljer.

    Erik Ribsskog








  • Jeg sendte til Landsarkivet i Sønderjylland om Jebsen-familien og hjemmetyskerne, osv.







    Gmail – Lokalhistorisk konsulent







    Gmail



    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>




    Lokalhistorisk konsulent





    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>





    Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 4:05 AM





    To:

    Morten Andersen <moa@laa.sa.dk>



    Hei,

    jeg lurer nå på denne Peter Jebsen, som dere sendte fra Broager, til Norge, i 1843.
    Han hadde sønnen Jürg Jebsen, som bygget hjørnestensbedriften, Fossekleiva fabrikker, på mitt hjemsted, Berger i Vestfold, og kalte et av rommene for Tyskland, mens Slesvig lå i Tyskland, før 1920.

    Var disse hjemmetyske, vil du si?

    Berger museum sier nå at de var fra Danmark, og ikke Tyskland.

    Men det blir vel nærmest som historieforfalskning?
    Man kan da ikke si av slesvigere er vanlige dansker?

    Det bør vel sies at området lå i Tyskland, og har flere hjemmetyskere?
    Man kan da ikke bare kalle en fra Broager, som en vanlig danske?
    Når man er inne på temaet Danmark/Tyskland?

    (Altså det var i forbindelse med at Berger Museum har flyttet inn i et rom kalt Tyskland, ved Fossekleiva fabrikker).
    Så sier jeg det, at det er følsomt, pga. 2. verdenskrig.

    Så skriver Berger Museum, at Peter Jebsen var fra Danmark.

    Men han var da fra helt sør i Danmark, stemmer ikke dette?

    Bør det ikke da tas med at Jürg vel ikke er et dansk navn, og at Broager var i Tyskland da dette rommet Tyskland ble bygget?

    På forhånd takk for svar om dette med de hjemmetyske!

    Mvh.
    Erik Ribsskog

    2009/8/26 Morten Andersen <moa@laa.sa.dk>


    Kære Erik

    Angående din forespørgsel om lokalhistorisk konsulent Viggo Petersen. Viggo Petersen var for mange år siden arkivar ved Landsarkivet for Sønderjylland og blev siden tilknyttet lokalhistorisk museum i Aalborg.

    Dine øvrige spørgsmål har vi ikke mulighed for at svare på herfra.

    Mvh.

    Morten Andersen

    Arkivar/Forsker

    Landsarkivet for Sønderjylland

    Haderslevvej 45 6200 Aabenraa

    Tlf. 65480307






    PS.

    Her er mer om dette:

    her er mer om tyskland

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Berger-museum/108767235831634?v=wall