Session Start: Sun May 31 07:15:10 2009
Session Ident: #wikimedia-ops
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[07:24] <prodego> john_cons: I wanted to have a word with you, are you around?
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[07:28] <Mike_H> Prodego, john_cons: hello?
[07:29] <Mike_H> are you two "have ord"?
[07:29] <Mike_H> 🙂
[07:29] <Prodego> Mike_H: he has not responded to me yet
[07:36] -dircbot:#wikimedia-ops- Ban[12773] *!*@CPE001e689dae10-CM0011aec7a42e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com in #Wikipedia-en set by Marybelle!n=root@wikipedia/MZMcBride on 2009-05-30 06:34:41 for "Spamming, apparently. And trolling." which affected _jase!i=jase@CPE001e689dae10-CM0011aec7a42e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com has been removed. It expired on 2009-05-31 06:34:41. It was removed by dircbot!n=dircbot@freenode/utility-bot/dircbot
[07:37] <Prodego> that is one heck of a hostmask
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[07:48] <john_cons> Mike_H: sorry?
[07:48] <Prodego> john_cons: hi I was looking for you
[07:48] <john_cons> Prodego: hi, what was that about then, i messaged another op
[07:48] <Prodego> are you still talking to them?
[07:49] <john_cons> no, he din't reply at this hour yet
[07:49] <john_cons> what was it about then?
[07:49] <Prodego> ok, in that case I'd be happy to discuss whatever it is
[07:49] <Prodego> but there is another issue I wanted to discuss
[07:49] <john_cons> ok..
[07:49] <Prodego> would you prefer PM, or here?
[07:49] <john_cons> here's fine
[07:49] <john_cons> your choice
[07:49] <Prodego> alright, I was told https://johncons-blogg.net/ is yours?
[07:50] <john_cons> yes, that's right
[07:50] <Prodego> So, I don't know if you are aware of this, but #wikipedia-en has a no public logging rule
[07:50] <john_cons> how did you know?
[07:50] <john_cons> there aren't that many english readers on my blog
[07:50] <john_cons> it's a norwegian blog these days
[07:51] <Prodego> which basically means that discussions posted in the channel may not be reposted without the permission of the people talking
[07:51] <john_cons> ok, i can sort that later, but i'm really dealing with another wiki-case that i think is first in the quew
[07:51] <john_cons> since i started with that first
[07:51] <john_cons> its about censorship on norwegian wiki
[07:51] <Prodego> and I did notice a particular discussion from #wikipedia-en on your site, and temporarily banned you from -en until I could sort that out
[07:51] <john_cons> thats what i'm talking with the other op about
[07:52] <john_cons> and then i can return to you when thats sorted
[07:52] <john_cons> if thats ok?
[07:52] <Prodego> alright, but just note that at the moment you are banned from #wikipedia-en, and it would be fairly easy to rectify that if you do have some time
[07:53] <john_cons> ok, i'll remember that
[07:53] <john_cons> and contact you more about that later, when this censorship-case is finished, if that's alright
[07:53] <john_cons> np
[07:53] <Prodego> sure, not a problem, just let anyone in here know that you won't be publicly logging any more discussions, and they should unban you right away
[07:54] <john_cons> ok np
[07:54] <john_cons> it's because there was this censorship-case on norwegian wiki
[07:54] <john_cons> but i'm not sure if i should bring this up here, since i'm speaking with seanw about it
[07:54] -seanw- Sorry, I've stepped away (lunch); messages are logged.
[07:55] <john_cons> but he's at lunch it says
[07:55] <john_cons> bbl
[07:56] <Prodego> he can be hard to find
[07:57] <john_cons> ok, what happened was that a son of a former minister in norway, flums, censored what i wrote about a pizza-brand, since he had a part-time job in orkla stabburet, who instructed him to not let me write there
[07:57] <john_cons> this was last year
[07:58] <john_cons> and i still can't write there
[07:58] <john_cons> also this other high-ranking admin, (jeblad), covered this up, and said it was a 'practical joke'
[07:58] <Prodego> this is an IRC issue or an issue with the norwegian wikipedia?
[07:58] <john_cons> even if i'm sure it wasn't
[07:58] <john_cons> yes, i try to bring this up on the irc-channel no.wikipedia
[07:59] <john_cons> but i'm not allowed to write there, i'm being muted
[07:59] <john_cons> so then i spoke with seanw, some days ago
[07:59] <john_cons> he told me to wait a while, to calm it down, so i went back today, after having waited 3 or 4 days
[07:59] <john_cons> and he told me to speak with a high-ranking admin
[08:00] <john_cons> and i spoke with jeblad today
[08:00] <john_cons> and he just said he wasn't a sys-op
[08:00] <john_cons> and he didn't tell me who it is, that are sys-ops there, even if i think he must know
[08:00] <Prodego> ok, I think what might be getting confused here is that the ops on IRC aren't always the admins on wiki
[08:00] <john_cons> so that's were it's at now really
[08:01] <Prodego> so this former minister issue, was that on no.wikipedia.org, or on the irc channel?
[08:01] <john_cons> no, i know, but jeblad, he's almost always at the channel
[08:01] <john_cons> it was on no.wiki.org
[08:01] <Prodego> and are you blocked there, and that is the problem?
[08:02] <john_cons> yes, that's one of four points i wanted to bring up
[08:02] <Prodego> ok, so the main issue is not the irc issue, but the block on nowiki
[08:02] <john_cons> 1. i was blocked at no.wiki.org without having really done anything wrong
[08:02] <john_cons> 2. harassment from admin harryw
[08:02] <john_cons> 3. harassment from admint kjetilr
[08:03] <john_cons> 4. censorship-case, flums being instructed by norwegian company orkla, not to let me write on wiki
[08:04] <Mike_H> john_cons: Do you have proof about #4?
[08:04] <john_cons> 4b. jeblad covered this up, saying it was a 'practical joke' which i'm sure it wasn't
[08:04] <john_cons> yes, one sec
[08:04] <Prodego> Mike_H: does nowiki have an arbcom?
[08:04] <Mike_H> no
[08:05] <Mike_H> The Nordic communities are very small and homogeneous and insular. These problems are very rare.
[08:05] <Mike_H> For example, the Danish community only wrote their banning policy after they had to ban a longtime contributor (who is still the only longtime contributor they've banned there).
[08:06] <Prodego> Mike_H: well I know nothing about nowiki, so I am not sure where he would go with this
[08:06] <Mike_H> Prodego: Since these languages are usually only spoken by people from these countries, the "culture" is less international and more Norway-oriented
[08:06] <Mike_H> sorry, Nordic-oriented
[08:06] <Mike_H> like on en.wikipedia we have this really elaborate system because everyone from everywhere contributes
[08:07] <Prodego> that's because we are the biggest and the best, right 🙂
[08:07] <Mike_H> the Danish Wikipedia, for example, deals with people and interactions the way Danish society would deal with things
[08:07] <Mike_H> because the languages are almost 100% specific to the country
[08:07] <Prodego> well you seem familiar with it, who should he go to in this case?
[08:08] <Mike_H> Prodego: I'll pm you
[08:11] <john_cons> http://no.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brukerdiskusjon:Johncons&diff=3498327&oldid=3498315
[08:11] <john_cons> Det er ikke ønskelig fra Orkla Food (Stabburets eier) at du bidrar på artiklene om Pizza Grandiosa. [[Bruker:Flums|Flums]] 20. mar 2008 kl. 00:24 (CET)
[08:12] <john_cons> translates to: it's not wanted by Orkla Food (owner of Stabburet) that you contribute to the articles about Pizza Grandiosa.
[08:12] <john_cons> he's also questioning why i'm writing on wiki, in the next line in the link
[08:13] <john_cons> this person, flums, has five jobs, hes told me, one in stabburet, and is a son of a former minster in two cabinets, and in the norwegian wiki board
[08:13] <Mike_H> Why does it matter that his father is a former Cabinet minister?
[08:14] <Mike_H> That's his father
[08:14] <Mike_H> not him.
[08:14] <Mike_H> My father was in the Navy.
[08:14] <Mike_H> Doesn't mean I can't contribute to Navy articles.
[08:14] <Mike_H> and even so
[08:14] <Mike_H> I fail to see how someone's relative being in the government has anything to do with a frozen pizza.
[08:15] <john_cons> like i told sean w on message i think a network of mobbsters or masons have the control on norwegian wiki
[08:15] <Mike_H> masons?
[08:15] <Mike_H> really?
[08:15] <john_cons> so flums is connected through his father, i suspect
[08:15] <john_cons> well that's how i think it is
[08:15] <Prodego> john_cons: well seanw can help you with the norwegian irc channel, but he can't do anything about the norwegian wikipedia
[08:15] <Mike_H> I don't see any kind of that sort of thing in the Norwegian community, and I've been involved with them for almost a year now coming from English.
[08:15] <john_cons> i wrote you the link for it, so you can see what he wrote
[08:15] <john_cons> ok, i'll speak with seanw then
[08:16] <john_cons> np
[08:16] <john_cons> thanks for the help!
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[08:17] <john_cons> Mike_H: these types of networks could be international, why did you chase me up on here?
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[08:20] <john_cons> Mike_H: you start to almost ridicule the nordic wiki-networks and the problems on them, i smell a cover-up of the problems there
[08:21] <Prodego> john_cons: based on enwiki, your edits weren't really appropriate, and we can't really help you with that either
[08:21] <Prodego> we can help you with IRC related issues in here, as this is a channel for ops on IRC
[08:22] <john_cons> ok, so this isn't the famous illuminati operating on the irc-channels (Mike_H), ridiculing me and the nordic wiki channels?
[08:22] <john_cons> i thought he did that when i was fetching the link
[08:22] <john_cons> when i was away
[08:23] <john_cons> but anyway, i'll calm down now
[08:23] <john_cons> sorry!
[08:23] <Prodego> Well I don't know that Mike_H actually runs the IRC channels
[08:23] <john_cons> ok, i see, np
[08:23] <john_cons> i'll speak with seanw later then
[08:23] <Prodego> all IRC channels starting with #wikipedia- are run by seanw and James_F, on behalf of the wikimedia foundation
[08:23] <john_cons> ok, i'll speak with mr seanw then
[08:23] <Prodego> they can both assist you with any issues you have on IRC
[08:23] <john_cons> like the plan was
[08:23] <john_cons> yes, i spoke with mr. seanw the other day
[08:24] <john_cons> so he told me to contact him again, if i found them being difficult to deal with
[08:24] <john_cons> unreasonable was the word
[08:24] <john_cons> but then you guys grabed hold of me
[08:24] <john_cons> but i'll speak with mr. seanw now
[08:25] <john_cons> i'll be back later
[08:25] <john_cons> bbl
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Session Close: Sun May 31 08:28:29 2009
