johncons

Stikkord: Andalucia

  • Nå har jeg fargelagt noen bilder (av min farmor Ågot Mogan Olsen sin slekt) som min tremenning Stine Mogan Olsen (fra en annen Olsen-slekt) sendte meg, mens jeg bodde i Liverpool sentrum (hvor jeg bodde fra 2006 til 2011)

    PS.

    Hvis jeg forstod min farmor Ågot riktig, på slutten av 70-tallet.

    (Var det vel).

    Så var muligens min oldemor Birgit (Bergit) Mogan.

    Hu var muligens født/oppvokst, i Gnomedal (eller et lignende sted) i Markland/Vinland (antagelig etter at mange av hennes slektninger (muligens fra Midtbygda på Grønland) hadde blitt drept, av cowboyer osv., under påskudd av at de var indianere).

    (Noe sånt).

    Selv om det isåfall, vel ville vært en sensasjon.

    Men det var også sånn, at Birgit/Bergit sin onkel/fosterfar Gullik Tråen, fant Tråen-skatten (etter at han returnerte fra Amerika med Birgit/Bergit (og sin kone Aase Levorsdatter)).

    Så om både den skatten og Birgit/Berget var fra Gnomedal/Midtbygda (eller noe sånt).

    Hm.

    Så sånn er muligens det.

    Bare noe jeg tenkte på.

    Mvh.

    Erik Ribsskog

    PS 2.

    Jeg prøvde med en annen AI:

    PS 3.

    Her er noen fler bilder, som min tremenning Stine Mogan Olsen sendte:

    PS 4.

    Mer om min oldemor Birgit Mogan (fra Drammens Tidende 29. november 1950):

    https://www.nb.no/items/f7a7b1bed6f625f880a49e0656027d14?page=3&searchText=%22birgit%20mogan%22~1

    PS 5.

    Her kan man se, at min oldemor visst bodde på Tråen (muligens hos sin fosterfar/onkel Gullik Traaen) på den tida som Tråen-skatten ble funnet (fra Buskeruds Blad 9. juni 1910):

    https://www.nb.no/items/aa472c7f984718541dc1d9f2b04dc9a6?page=0&searchText=%22bergit%20mogan%22

    PS 6.

    Her er mer om dette:

    https://www.letsbookhotel.com/no/norway/rollag/hotel/stabbursnatt-me-traaen.aspx

    PS 7.

    Tråen-skatten ble visst funnet i 1906, og i 1907 så gifta min oldemor seg med Nils Dalen (fra nabobygda Flesberg):

    https://www.nb.no/items/5ee8cf5d6a604207215b5db7f2b07d54?page=201&searchText=%22bergit%20mogan%22

    PS 8.

    Mer om at min oldemor var fosterdatter:

    https://www.nb.no/items/9d4afe1d56d570d135714fc83cd13b81?page=453&searchText=%22birgit%20mogan%22

    PS 9.

    Som jeg har blogget om tidligere.

    Så var min oldemors mor (Jøran Gulliksdotter Gulleksrud) nesten 50 år gammel, da min oldemor ble født.

    Så derfor har jeg lurt på, om min oldemor var ei, som hu eller broren (Gullek Gullekson Gulleksrud aka. Gullik Traaen) fant i Amerika (sammen med Tråen-skatten).

    Hm.

    Så sånn er muligens det.

    Bare noe jeg tenkte på.

    Men men.

    PS 10.

    Det er mulig at Midtbygda kan ha vært fra Andalucia/Al-Andalus eller Fraxinetum (det vil si muslimer).

    (Tenker jeg nå).

    Og at de rømte, fra spanjolene (de kristne reconquestadorene).

    For min farmor drakk ikke.

    Og min oldefar (Nils Dalen aka. Nils Mogan) hadde visst mye gikt (ifølge Drammens Tidende-artikkelen i PS 4).

    Og jeg fikk gikt i føttene, da jeg bodde i Keith Court (hvor jeg bodde fra 2012 til 2014) i Walton.

    Og det tror jeg at var fordi, at jeg bare spiste kylling-nuggets nesten (til middag).

    (For de kosta bare en fem-kroning cirka, per pakke.

    På Tesco).

    Og seinere har jeg funnet ut, at det (gikt i føttene) nok skyldes jernmangel (kylling inneholder nesten ikke noe jern).

    Så det kan være at han oldefaren min for det meste fikk kylling.

    (Min farmor fortalte en gang.

    At da hu var tjenestepike for Jebsen (på Berger).

    Så fikk hu kjeft, fordi at hu renskar kjøttet på kyllingvingene.

    Mens Jebsen/Berger-folk var vant til å spise kyllingvinger, med hendene.

    Som på KFC, osv.).

    Så det kan være, at min oldefars gikt skyldes at han ikke fikk i seg nok okse/svine-kjøtt (som inneholder jern).

    (Noe sånt).

    Og det var visst også noen arabiske mynter, i Tråen-skatten.

    (For å si det sånn).

    Og jeg har lest om (på ‘Bokhylla’).

    At noen såkalte ‘hedninger’, ikke fikk lov å være med de kristne vikingene, på den siste båten, fra Markland (Canada) under den lille istiden.

    (Noe sånt).

    Og min farmor hadde også brune øyne (og mørkt hår).

    (For å si det sånn).

    Så sånn er det.

    Bare noe jeg tenkte på.

    Men men.

    PS 11.

    Her er mer om dette:

    https://www.laagendalsposten.no/det-numedalske-paradoks/s/5-64-1329431 (bak betalingsmur)

    PS 12.

    Enda mer om dette (fra Buskeruds Blad 24. juli 1926):

    https://www.nb.no/items/0a245b7bdfab7c2aa91e1f61826984cc?page=0&searchText=%22nils%20traaen%22~1

    PS 13.

    Noen få sarasenere (fra Fraxinetum) overlevde visst de kristne sin lange seiers-rekke (jeg vet ikke om noen av disse kan ha kommet seg til Norge, og så fått lov til å bli med vikingene til Grønland):

    https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraxinet

    PS 14.

    Min farmor fortalte en gang, på begynnelsen/midten av 80-tallet.

    (Mener jeg å huske).

    At det var noen røvere, som bodde, i en hule, i/ved Rollag (muligens der de hadde setra si).

    (Noe sånt).

    Så det kan kanskje ha vært sarasenere (muslimer) fra Fraxinetum.

    (Tenker jeg nå).

    Så sånn var muligens det.

    Bare noe jeg tenkte på.

    Men men.

    PS 15.

    Jeg er ikke lokalkjent i Rollag/Numedal-området, men her står det litt om noen røvere/villmenn derfra (fra Kongsberg Dagblad 30. april 1957):

    https://www.nb.no/items/9f0816820e7c76b9925dfe235c696308?page=1&searchText=%22r%C3%B8vere%20i%20rollag%22~9

    PS 16.

    Min farfar Øivind sa forresten en gang, på begynnelsen av 80-tallet.

    (Utenom sammenhengen, liksom).

    At: ‘Han Knut knøt en knut’.

    Så det kan muligens ha vært han Knut Venås, som bodde i den røverhula da (på/ved Rollag) på sine eldre dager.

    (Noe sånt).

    Og han kan muligens ha vært faren til min farmor.

    (Siden at hu en gang kom med noen halvkvedede viser liksom, om disse røverne.

    Og hu fortalte også en gang (utenom sammenhengen liksom) at mora hennes (Birgit/Berget) pleide å rope på kyra.

    For å si det sånn.

    Og ifølge artikkelen overfor (fra Kongsberg Dagblad) så ble visst røverne/villemenna helt gærne/morderiske, hvis de hørte at noen kom gående, for eksempel).

    Så sånn var muligens det.

    Bare noe jeg tenkte på.

    Men men.

    PS 17.

    Det kan kanskje ha vært sånn, at Knut Venås var faren, til den yngste broren/søsteren.

    Nemlig Nils.

    Og at det var derfor, at Nils måtte oppkalles etter min oldefar (Nils T. Dalen aka. Nils T. Traaen aka. Nils T. Mogan).

    Siden at Nils ikke var hans sønn.

    Men da het han ihvertfall Nils (og da kunne min oldefar såvidt godta han, siden at han æret min oldefar likevel, ved å bære hans navn).

    (Noe sånt).

    Og Nils, det er morfaren til hu Stine ‘Hermegåsa’ Mogan Olsen.

    (Hu som begynte på NHI etter meg.

    Og som ble butikksjef etter meg (på Europris Liertoppen).

    Og som også het Olsen etter meg (siden at hu er født cirka fem år etter meg).

    For å si det sånn).

    Så sånn er muligens det.

    Bare noe jeg tenkte på.

    Men men.

    PS 18.

    Nils (junior) må forresten ha vært en sindig kar, siden at han jobba med sånt her (hele livet) uten å dø av det (fra Fremtiden 26. februar 1969):

    https://www.nb.no/items/0c3615156268af700a33dcf77479b29d?page=7&searchText=mogan

    PS 19.

    Man kan kanskje lure på, om Fraxinetum-sarasenerne ble til eskimoene.

    Når (de kristnede) vikingene forlot de, i Markland (Canada).

    (Hvis det var sånn).

    For skrælingene (som var de innfødte i Grønland/Canada).

    De ble visst helt utspilt, av eskimoene.

    Og skrælingene (som kan ha vært etterkommere av baskiske fiskere, som forliste, har jeg tenkt).

    De ble visst helt utryddet til slutt.

    (Disse var kjent som Dorset-kulturen.

    Noe sånt).

    Og så har eskimoene tatt over, på Grønland (og i Canada) da.

    (For å si det sånn).

    Så sånn er muligens det.

    Bare noe jeg tenkte på.

    Men men.

    PS 20.

    Min farmor Ågot var forresten født i stjernetegnet fiskene.

    (Fortalte hu meg på 80-tallet).

    Og hu er født i mars-måned.

    (7. mars.

    Ifølge MyHeritage).

    Og da ble hu unnfanget, i begynnelsen av juni-måned.

    (Hvis hu ikke ble født for tidlig).

    Så det er mulig, at de dro opp på setra, så tidlig, som i juni-måned.

    Det er ihvertfall sånn, at de var på setra (hvor de visst hadde en røver-bande som naboer) om sommeren.

    (For å si det sånn).

    Så sånn er det.

    Bare noe jeg tenkte på.

    Men men.

  • Mer fra irc

    [17:21.53] * Chimera (~henning@Chim3ra.users.undernet.org) has joined channel #london
    [17:22.48] <Chimera> hi London 😛
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    [17:26.10] <Appocomaster> hi
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    [17:40.51] <StinkyMiss> anyone else bored want to chat? pm me
    [17:41.21] <Appocomaster> meant to be working :p
    [17:45.03] <chimera> Appocomaster: Same appo as in Planetarion btw?
    [17:45.34] <Appocomaster> …
    [17:45.41] <Appocomaster> no one else has asked me that on this network
    [17:45.45] <Appocomaster> >:(
    [17:45.50] <Appocomaster> in like, 10 years
    [17:45.51] * Easy0bserver sets mode +v Appocomaster for #london
    [17:45.51] <chimera> I’m sorry
    [17:45.53] <+Appocomaster> so well done for being the first
    [17:45.55] <+Appocomaster> no problem :p
    [17:46.02] <+Appocomaster> 1 heard of planetarion before
    [17:46.08] <Falcon> lol
    [17:48.06] <chimera> some kind of connection in my brain all of the sudden 🙂
    [17:48.29] <+Appocomaster> well done
    [17:48.35] <+Appocomaster> too many late nights 😉
    [17:49.58] <chimera> thats right
    [17:51.28] <john_cons> chimera: have you been following me here from the oslo channel
    [17:51.30] <chimera> late nigths these days will be beer and nice people
    [17:51.30] * Easy0bserver sets mode +v chimera for #london
    [17:51.42] <john_cons> and on the norway channel
    [17:52.08] <john_cons> norge rather
    [17:52.29] <Sherlock> paranoia :p
    [17:52.33] <+chimera> john_cons: you bailed. Left us in the gutter
    [17:52.37] * Falcon plays spooky music
    [17:52.52] <john_cons> you’ve also contacted me on msg
    [17:53.00] <john_cons> what up
    [17:53.02] * Easy0bserver sets mode +v john_cons for #london
    [17:53.33] <Sherlock> Why don’t you reply to the message then and avoid telling everyone?
    [17:53.36] <+chimera> think I said: How are you doing or something close
    [17:53.51] <john_cons> Sherlock: i was away and when i was the guy was offline
    [17:54.05] <john_cons> Sherlock: i was away and when i saw it the guy was offline
    [17:54.11] <Sherlock> Yeah but not now
    [17:54.26] <john_cons> because i have now closed the message
    [17:54.33] <john_cons> i don’t really like this guy
    [17:54.44] <+chimera> dont worry about it
    [17:54.54] <+chimera> we’re all cool now
    [17:55.01] <Sherlock> That’s your opinion
    [17:55.39] <+chimera> john_cons might not agree as well
    [17:56.33] <Sherlock> Well he can keep it to himself, saying it in the channel isn’t necessary
    [17:56.33] * Easy0bserver sets mode +v Sherlock for #london
    [17:56.44] <john_cons> well i’ve left the norway and oslo channels because of you and fisk77
    [17:57.05] <john_cons> im now only on london and norge
    [17:57.12] <+Sherlock> Does that mean you will leave here too?
    [17:57.17] <john_cons> and now suddently you are on both those channels as well
    [17:57.31] <john_cons> time will tell
    [17:57.35] <+chimera> I’m sorry to hear that
    [17:57.45] <+Sherlock> Ignore it
    [17:59.20] <+chimera> john_cons: after you left I had to put on logging for my irc client
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    [18:02.53] <john_cons> chimera: i’m not you and fisk77’s father, you shouldn’t be dependant on me, and i don’t want you teenage-rebelion against me
    [18:04.18] <+chimera> what are you talking about now?
    [18:04.53] <+chimera> stop making sense
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    [18:05.42] <+Sherlock> Why don’t you take this in private?
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    [18:07.00] <Falcon> Please God
    [18:07.01] <Falcon> Hey Ural 
    [18:07.15] <RangerBobVa> What did I walk in on now?
    [18:07.24] <Ural> Falcon: hey!
    [18:07.32] <Falcon> lol RangerBobVa 
    [18:07.33] <+Sherlock> kids bickering
    [18:07.33] <Falcon> No idea
    [18:07.53] <+chimera> whatever happened to this covid crap btw?
    [18:08.19] <+Sherlock> Not a lot
    [18:08.54] <Falcon> Still there.  People just want to pretend it’s over
    [18:08.54] * Easy0bserver sets mode +v Falcon for #london
    [18:08.54] <+chimera> its like it never went down if you go out for a beer these days
    [18:09.08] <+chimera> fine with me
    [18:09.49] <RangerBobVa> To be fair huge vaccination efforts have also helped get us to now.
    [18:09.50] <+chimera> locking everything down didnt work out
    [18:10.00] <+chimera> now its working IMHO
    [18:10.27] <+Sherlock> They will treat it like flu from now on unless there’s a severe mutation
    [18:10.46] <john_cons> chimera: you follow me everywhere, and you are dependant om me, it seems, even if i like women and not men
    [18:11.03] <+Falcon> yup
    [18:11.21] <RangerBobVa> I figure we’ll all get yearly boosters now like the flu.
    [18:11.28] <+chimera> to be honest. I can not say I had it. Maybe I had it and didnt notice
    [18:11.28] <+Falcon> It was always going to get to this stage.  People just seemed to think at the beginning it would be over quicker
    [18:11.35] <+Sherlock> john_cons, I prefer it when you don’t speak ha
    [18:11.37] <+chimera> I hope so anyway
    [18:12.20] <john_cons> Sherlock: so does putin i guess
    [18:12.41] <+Sherlock> Well that is irrelevant 
    [18:13.01] <+Sherlock> He wouldn’t even care
    [18:13.29] <RangerBobVa> Just like us
    [18:13.36] <+chimera> heh
    [18:14.29] <john_cons> Sherlock: too much bubly?
    [18:16.01] <+Sherlock> too much what?
    [18:17.17] <john_cons> prosecco
    [18:17.28] <+chimera> ah, popped a Magners cider
    [18:17.40] <+Sherlock> I don’t drink alcohol 
    [18:17.59] <john_cons> i thought prosecco was the fab thing over there
    [18:18.03] <john_cons> in the uk
    [18:18.09] <+chimera> Sherlock: its a good thing to not drink
    [18:18.44] <+Sherlock> Well you are misinformed john_cons 
    [18:19.05] <+chimera> too late for me though. I’m just another brick in the wall
    [18:19.14] <john_cons> i lived in the uk for ten years, not that long ago, and it was bubbly this and bubbly that
    [18:19.38] <+Sherlock> Well not where I am it’s not
    [18:20.15] <+Appocomaster> no
    [18:20.17] <+Sherlock> and you can’t judge a whole nation 
    [18:20.20] <+Appocomaster> you must be living in a different area
    [18:20.25] <+Appocomaster> or moving in different circles
    [18:20.34] <+Sherlock> more likely
    [18:20.37] <+chimera> Sherlock: you might not know this, but you will be on john_cons blogg in a few
    [18:21.24] <+Sherlock> Oh well
    [18:22.39] <john_cons> there was something called fraxenet or something, which was an annex for the muslims in andalucia, and they perhaps moved to the uk, after the christians took back spain
    [18:22.49] <+chimera> Sherlock: never into alc at all?
    [18:23.53] <+Sherlock> No I haven’t, I like a clear mind
    [18:24.46] <+chimera> and no other drugs then I recon?
    [18:24.57] <+chimera> aka the clear mind
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    [18:29.05] <+Sherlock> No I am not interested in drugs either
    [18:29.47] <+chimera> for what its worth, Sherlock. You sound like a good guy 🙂
    [18:29.48] <+Sherlock> Besides the work I do sometimes ask for a test
    [18:30.33] <+chimera> ah, really? What kind of work?
    [18:33.49] <+Sherlock> I thought you might ask that. 
    [18:35.07] <+Sherlock> I write and develop code for law enforcement to track evil people on the dark web
    [18:39.21] <john_cons> i lived in liverpool and shoped at tesco, and they are a nationwide chain, if i’m not mistaking
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    [18:41.36] <+chimera> Sherlock: makes sense. And sounds like interesting work you are doing
    [18:42.01] <+Sherlock> yeah I like it, what do you do?
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    [18:47.59] <+chimera> somewhat in the same street actually. Cant be compared I guess but I am the asshole at the office with all the strict rules enforcing everyone to think twice before they click a link or try to discuss the need of 2-FA
    [18:47.59] <@Easy0bserver> chimera, this is your 1 and only warning for swearing in channel. The next time will result in a ban.
    [18:48.23] <+chimera> oh dear
    [18:48.39] <+chimera> I’ll behave
    [18:49.06] <+Sherlock> Yes I know what you mean
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    [18:50.53] <+chimera> I always try to explain why, in simple terms
    [18:51.14] <+chimera> Some just dont care or just dont understand
    [18:55.22] <john_cons> chimera: and yet you have big problems understaning my blog, and you pick on me on irc, to with every detail on my blog
    [18:59.25] <+chimera> I think most ppl do tbh. 
    [19:00.10] <john_cons> or most trolls
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    [19:04.10] <+chimera> just keep going. I’m sure someone will understand eventually
    [19:05.21] <john_cons> and i’m sure youre not a troll really, you’re just a bit thick
    [19:05.25] <john_cons> if thats ok to say
    [19:05.52] <+chimera> sure. I dont care
    [19:06.20] <john_cons> you don’t care, and still you follow me everywhere on irc
    [19:06.27] <john_cons> how does that add up, i’m wondering
    [19:07.26] <+Falcon> Jesus
    [19:07.33] <+Falcon> You still banging on?
    [19:07.50] <+Falcon> Just ignore if it’s bothering you that much
    [19:07.51] <+chimera> it will not stop Falcon
    [19:07.58] <+Falcon> chimera: so I see
    [19:09.31] <RangerBobVa> How’s the baby Falcon?
    [19:09.43] <+chimera> persistent, to put it mildly
    [19:09.43] <RangerBobVa> You still going on bike rides?
    [19:10.08] <john_cons> Falcon: i tried to ignore them, but these people change nick all the time, so even if i use the ignore-command, it just goes on, the other guy has started calling himself ‘erikdust’ and thats my first-name, and that he calles me jerk, or something, that after calling himself chrisxp, cxp, fisk77, kris77 etc, it just goes on and on
    [19:11.24] <+Falcon> RangerBobVa: she’s teething at the moment and making a total wreck of the living room lol
    [19:11.28] <+Falcon> How’s you?
    [19:12.18] <RangerBobVa> Ha.  Just get her a bunch of toys 😉  Not bad.  Still in recovery.
    [19:12.43] <+Falcon> She is very happy with her new box 📦 and wrapping paper lol
    [19:12.47] <+Falcon> Loves it
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    [19:27.05] <john_cons> [10:14.29] <Chimera> Persona non grata, det er vel hva familen din tenker om deg, john_cons ? 🙂
    [19:27.05] <john_cons> [10:14.46] <Chimera> bare lurer
    [19:27.19] <john_cons> this is how that guy is on the norwegian channels
    [19:27.30] <john_cons> always nagging about every detail on my blog
    [19:27.34] <RangerBobVa> Gibby is getting along with one of the girls now so that’s been good.
    [19:27.44] <john_cons> and hes very cocky, (i think its called)
    [19:27.45] <@Easy0bserver> john_cons, this is your 1 and only warning for swearing in channel. The next time will result in a ban.
    [19:28.00] <john_cons> what
    [19:28.18] <john_cons> bug
    [19:29.20] <john_cons> useless nazi bot
    [19:29.22] <john_cons> or what
    [19:29.26] * StinkyMiss (~StinkyMis@45.45.97.81) Quit (Quit)
    [19:34.41] <+chimera> Easy0bserver seems somewhat senstive for foul language. Might get the +b for this if I’m unlucky
    [19:35.14] <john_cons> [20:37.22] <Chimera> ErikDust: ikke noe annet enn normalt ville jeg tro. Enkelte her inne er redd for å møte andre kanskje
    [19:35.14] <john_cons> [20:37.34] <Chimera> alt skal løses ved å sende e-poster

    PS.

    Så skjedde dette:

    [19:35.41] * You were kicked from #london by X ((PREDAT0R) pack it in)