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Jeg sendte et krav om erstatning, til amerikanske myndigheter, for ‘krøll’ i forbindelse med en reise jeg foretok til Detroit, i 2005
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Jeg fikk en e-post fra Den amerikanske ambassaden i Oslo
Google Mail – Kompansasjon for tull fra amerikanske myndigheter?
Erik Ribsskog
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Kompansasjon for tull fra amerikanske myndigheter?
Oslo, IRC
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Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:45 PM
To:
Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>
Hei Erik,
Amerikanske ambassader er underlagt State Department, men dette
virker mer som Department of Homeland Security’s område. http://www.dhs.gov/index.shtmMed vennlig hilsen,
Information Resource Center
U.S. Embassy, Oslo
21 30 85 40 (phone hours: 2-4pm)
From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 8:14 PM
To: Oslo, IRC
Subject: Kompansasjon for tull fra amerikanske myndigheter?
Hei,
tidligere iår, så fikk jeg et beklagelse-brev sendt til meg
i England, hvor jeg bor nå, etter å ha blitt tullet med av amerikanske
myndigheter, på flyplassen i Detroit, i 2005, og sendt tilbake til Europa, med
engang jeg kom til USA, uten noen bra begrunnelse ble jeg tullet med.Kofferten min ble også holdt tilbake, en ekstra dag, så jeg måtte bo en dag på
hotell på Gardermoen.Når jeg tenker på det nå, så var det fint å få beklagelse-brev.
Men billettene til og fra USA, kosta meg jo rundt 20.000 norske kroner.
Og 1000 kroner for hotellet på Gardermoen.
Pluss at jeg synes at jeg burde fått noe for tort og svie også.
Så 100.000 norske kroner, ville jeg ha sett på som et slags minstebeløp, å få i
kompansasjon, siden kompansasjoner er så høye i USA, så hvis dette hadde skjedd
med en amerikaner, så hadde jeg vel fått mange millioner.Sjekk kan sendes til:
Erik Ribsskog
Flat 3
5 Leather Lane
Liverpool
GB-L2 2AE
Storbritannia
Med flyplass-krøll hilsen
Erik Ribsskog
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Kommentarene som har vært på bloggen
Det virker for meg, som at det har sitti folk, og skrivi kommentarer, for å tråkke ned på meg.
At folk må ha sitti hele dagen omtrent, og hatt det som jobb omtrent, å lage kommentarer, for å trakassere meg.
Så er det noe CIA eller noe, fra da jeg fikk krøll med flyplassmyndighetene på flyplassen i Detroit i 2005, som har tulla?
Da jeg ble sendt tilbake til Europa, og ikke fikk lov å komme inn i USA i det hele tatt.
Det kan man lure på, synes jeg.
Så her er det trakassering av en norsk statsborger, fra CIA, vil jeg si.
Som om jeg skulle ha vært i Guantanamo.
Tortur, kaller jeg det her, og jeg merker at jeg blir stressa av at de kommentarene er så spesialtilpassa for å trakassere meg, virker det som.
Så skjerping til norske, britiske og amerikanske myndigheter og CIA!
Med johncons-blogg hilsen
Erik Ribsskog
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Jeg sendte en kompansasjons e-post til den amerikanske ambassaden i Oslo
Google Mail – Kompansasjon for tull fra amerikanske myndigheter?
Erik Ribsskog
<eribsskog@gmail.com>
Kompansasjon for tull fra amerikanske myndigheter?
Erik Ribsskog
<eribsskog@gmail.com>
Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 7:14 PM
To:
osloirc@state.gov
Hei,tidligere iår, så fikk jeg et beklagelse-brev sendt til meg i England, hvor jeg bor nå, etter å ha blitt tullet med av amerikanske myndigheter, på flyplassen i Detroit, i 2005, og sendt tilbake til Europa, med engang jeg kom til USA, uten noen bra begrunnelse ble jeg tullet med.Kofferten min ble også holdt tilbake, en ekstra dag, så jeg måtte bo en dag på hotell på Gardermoen.Når jeg tenker på det nå, så var det fint å få beklagelse-brev.Men billettene til og fra USA, kosta meg jo rundt 20.000 norske kroner.Og 1000 kroner for hotellet på Gardermoen.Pluss at jeg synes at jeg burde fått noe for tort og svie også.Så 100.000 norske kroner, ville jeg ha sett på som et slags minstebeløp, å få i kompansasjon, siden kompansasjoner er så høye i USA, så hvis dette hadde skjedd med en amerikaner, så hadde jeg vel fått mange millioner.Sjekk kan sendes til:Erik RibsskogFlat 35 Leather LaneLiverpoolGB-L2 2AEStorbritanniaMed flyplass-krøll hilsenErik Ribsskog
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Et Lufthansa-fly fra Frankfurt til Detroit, var det jeg var på, da jeg fikk problem med amerikanske immigrasjonsmyndigheter, og ble sendt tilbake
http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/12/26/nyheter/utenriks/nodlanding/lufthansa/9673873/
PS.
Besetningen på Lufthansa-flyet, de trakasserte meg, og ville ikke gi meg en sånn immigrasjonslapp, som man trenger, for å komme inn i USA, enda alle de andre pasasjerene fikk en sånn lapp.
Så da begynte politiet på flyplassen i Detroit å tulle med meg, siden de ikke hadde lapper lett tilgjengelig, på engelsk eller norsk.
Og jeg er ikke stødig i tysk eller fransk eller spansk.
Så sånn var det.
Bare noe jeg tenkte på nå.
Mvh.
Erik Ribsskog
PS 2.
Og da jeg måtte dra tilbake til Europa, med Air France, til Oslo via Paris.
Så ble kofferten min holdt tilbake en ekstra dag, av USA, siden det hadde ligget en lighter i den kofferten.
Bare noe jeg kom på.
Men men.
PS 3.
USA skrev jo et brev til meg om dette, men jeg synes de burde i det minste betale kompansasjon.
Og Lufthansa skrev jo bare en tulle e-post, må jeg si.
Kanskje jeg burde eskalere hos Lufthansa og be om kompansasjon fra USA?
Det har jeg tid til nå, siden det er jul.
Vi får se.
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Det kan virke som at det er FBI som tuller med meg, i Sunderland. Og sikkert ellers også, etter problemene på flyplassen i Detroit, i februar 2005. Hm
PS.
Hvis noen fra Oslo, som har med det, leser det her, så ikke la amerikanerne få ny ambassade, ved militærleieren, på Huseby vel.
De kommer til å forfølge de vernepliktige der, på samme måte som de gjør med meg, som er i HV.
Så da kommer hele hæren til å bli kontrollert av amerikanerne, hvis det skjer, at de får ambassaden dit, vil jeg tippe.
Så sånn er nok det.
Mvh.
Erik Ribsskog
PS 2.
Dette kan også stemme med det, at da jeg, i mars, var det vel, ringte den amerikanske ambassaden i Oslo, for å spørre hva jeg skulle gjøre med det, at noen hadde hat-blogger mot meg, på amerikanske blogg-tjenester.
Og da sa hu dama på den amerikanske ambassaden i Oslo, at jeg burde ringe FBI.
(Enda det var IC3, som man skulle ringe, het de vel).
Så det var kanskje som en vits, at jeg burde ringe FBI, på den måten at det er de som tuller med meg.
Er det sånn det henger sammen.
Hvem vet, men det er vel ikke helt umulig, at det er sånn.
Vi får se.
Eller, det er kanskje mulig at hun på den amerikanske ambassaden i Oslo, ikke sa FBI, men sa politiet.
Det er mulig.
Det skal jeg ikke si helt sikkert.
Men men.
Her er uansett en link til en bloggpost, hvor jeg har skrevet mer om dette:
https://johncons-blogg.net/2009/03/hvorfor-jeg-ikke-far-meg-jobb-in.html
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Jeg tror at sionistene (les ‘jødene’), prøver å få muslimene til å drepe meg
Se på Malteserorden-flagget, øverst på bloggen, ingen tekst kommer fram nå, enda teksten ligger lagret som bilde på Flicker, (det samme med teksten for Bertelsmann/Microsoft-saken. Og det har vært sånn i hele dag):
Der ser man ‘MouseOver2’, det er hva som skjer hvis noen tar musen over bilde nummer 2, det vil si bildet av Malteserordenflagget, (det som ser ut som det danske flagget nesten).
Også kan man se at det bildet heter:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3480/3861066388_e9e392b98a_o.jpg
Så amerikanerne sier til muslimene, at jeg er dansk, (for det liker ikke muslimene, det husker vi fra Muhammed-bildene).
Og kanskje at jeg er homo, siden det er et bilde av en rumpe, på logoen for Bertelsmann/Microsoft-saken.
Også juger de om det her, (for jeg er norsk og heterofil), til noen muslimer, og prøver å få de til å drepe meg, siden det er en krig mot norske, vil jeg tippe på.
Så sånn er nok det.
Mvh.
Erik Ribsskog
PS.
Teksten til bilde tre, virker heller ikke, det er på Angelfire:
Og jeg fikk heller ikke Photobucket til å virke tidligere idag.
Og Flicker hadde også problemer med å lagre bilder på, i stort format, man kunne ikke zoome på bildene, som vanlig, enda jeg har Flicker PRO-account, gjennom internett-abonementet mitt hos British Telecom.
Så at både Flicker, Photobucket og Angelfire skal streike, på en dag, for meg, når det gjelder strategiske bilder.
Nei, dette lukter det CIA av, vil jeg si.
Sikkert på grunn av at de har brukt meg som noe ‘drone’, etter at jeg dro til Detroit i 2005, og ble sendt tilbake til Europa, sikkert fordi de ringte slektningene mine, og de har fortalt løgner om meg, til amerikanerne.
Noe sånt.
Så sånn er nok det.
Så jeg håper noen norske og europeiske firma, kan lage internett-tjenester, som amerikanerne er ledende på, for ellers blir nok norske og europeiske folk tulla med ac CIA, når det passer CIA.
Noe å tenke på for myndighetene i Norge?
Kan vi få et norsk G-mail og et norsk Flicker?
Eller de blir vel bare sensurert da.
Altså at jeg blir det, på samme måte som jeg har blitt sperret fra norske blogger.
Jeg måtte melde meg på noe som heter myphotoalbum.com, idag, for å få postet bilder, siden CIA, eller noen andre, tuller med både Flicker og Photobucket-kontoen min idag.
Så sånn er det.
Det er derfor at bildene er litt uskarpe idag.
Så da beklager jeg det.
PS 2.
Man kan nesten tro at dette kan være et morsomt plott fra han Independence.ltd-karen, som jeg skulle skrive blogg-artikkel om disse tjenestene for.
(Men som jeg syntes var for useriøst/kommersielt, når man vet at det er mye alvorlig som foregår, så jeg droppet det).
Han må jobbe for amerikansk etterettning, vil jeg nesten tippe nå.
Så det var bra at jeg brøt kontakten med han, kan man kanskje si.
Det tror jeg nok.
Så sånn er vel antagelig det.
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Mer om adoptiv-tremenningen min fra Korea, Øystein Andersen aka Heihachi aka Jin, som jeg kom på. (In Norwegian)
På 90-tallet, så bodde jeg og søstra mi, og Glenn Hesler, en kamerat av tremenningen min, Øystein Andersen.
Vi bodde på Ungbo, i Skansen Terrasse 23, på Ellingsrudåsen, i Oslo.
Jeg bodde der fra 1991, var det vel.
Søstra mi bodde der fra 1993.
Og Glenn fra 1994 vel.
Noe sånt.
Så i 1995, eller noe, kan det vel ha vært, så nevnte jeg vel for Glenn da, at jeg skulle prøve å få meg en ekstrajobb, og få lappen da.
Dette kan også ha vært et tidligere år.
For Øystein, han ville jo ikke være kamerat lengre med meg, i 1993.
Dette kan ha vært mens jeg gikk på NHI, på Helsfyr, skoleåret 1991/92.
Da satt jeg på med Glenn Hesler, vi hadde vel vært i Oslo for å kjøpe et eller annet.
Så ringte Øystein, på mobiltelefonen til Glenn (og Øystein), som var en diger klump av en mobil.
Sånn veldig gammeldags, som man ikke hadde i lomma, men som var en diger boks, som man hadde i bilen.
Så sånn var det.
Og da hadde Øystein nok hørt av Glenn, at jeg hadde dårlig råd.
Jeg husker ikke nøyaktig hvilket år det her var.
Men men.
Og da foreslo Øystein, som ringte, mens jeg satt på med Glenn, på mobilen der, at jeg kunne få en jobb, som ikke var noe stress.
Å stå ansvarlig for noen spilleautomater.
Og jeg gikk jo siste året på NHI, og jeg hadde spurt mormora mi, Ingeborg Ribsskog, om hjelp, for jeg gikk på en privat høyskole, så jeg måtte jobbe ganske mye.
Så jeg tenkte at kanskje mormora mi kunne hjelpe meg å spe på studielånet litt.
Men dengang ei.
Så tilbydde Øystein meg, på telefon da, å stå som ansvarlig for noen poker-maskiner, på en pub, eller noe, i Lillestrøm eller Strømmen da.
Og da sa jeg, at det hørtes jo interessant ut.
For egentlig så skulle jo jeg og Øystein drive automatfirma.
Men det ble ikke noe av, det ble Øystein og Glenn, som dreiv automatfirma.
Så jeg syntes først det hørtes artig ut, med en sånn jobb.
Jeg regna med at det var noe papirarbeid og sånn, som dem trengte noen til å ordne da.
At dem hadde nok ting å drive med sjæl, så jeg kunne få en ganske enkel og grei jobb da.
Men så sier Øystein at det var ulovlige spillemaskiner.
Men da ville ikke jeg være med på det.
Så da, så begynte Øystein å kjefte da, eller klage, på meg, og spurte hvorfor skulle jeg være så ‘straight’ alltid.
Så krevde han en grunn da, for hvorfor jeg ikke ville bli med på det.
Så dette var nok mens vi fortsatt var kamerater, altså før 1993.
Og da klarte jeg ikke å komme på noe i farta, annet enn at hva hvis jeg skulle til USA?
Da kunne jeg ikke ha noe på rullebladet.
For da ville jeg ikke kunnet dra til USA.
Så derfor takket jeg nei til den jobben, for jeg ville ikke ha noe på rullebladet.
Og i 2005, så var jeg fortsatt like straight, og dro til USA da.
Med fly fra Frankfurt.
Men det som skjedde var at jeg ikke kom inn i USA, pga. masse GPP. (Generelt Piss-preik), eller ‘bullshit’, som flyplass-myndighetene i Detroit fant på.
Så måtte jeg kjøpe en ny billett med Air France og dra tilbake til Europa, til Oslo, via Paris, via først Air France da, og så SAS fra Frankrike til Oslo.
Så sånn var det.
Så det er ikke alltid man får noe igjen for å være straight hele livet.
Så politiet og myndighetene de er nok mer råtne enn det motsatte, vil nok jeg si.
Politi og røvere, det er nok to sider av samme sak, av ‘undergrunnen’, vil jeg si.
Undergrunnen, folka som ikke er vanlige, som nok består av kriminelle og politi og etterretning osv.
Så sånn er nok det.
Så å være flink og arbeidssom og rettskaffen og snill hele livet, det er det ingen lønn for.
Du blir bare sett på som en ‘noldus’ av politi og myndigheter, som de kan tulle rundt med.
Se bare hvis noe skjer en kriminell, som er i en gjeng.
Politiet er på banen, med en gang, med fullt mannskap, for å finne synderne.
For politiet er redde for de kriminelle.
Mens en vanlig, pliktoppfyllende kar, han blir bare sett på som en litt tomsete slave, av politiet.
Så da gidder de ikke å gjøre, men begynner å tulle, og sender personen tilbake til Europa osv.
Så sånn er det å leve i vår korrupte verden.
Så sånn er nok det.
Med vennlig hilsen
Erik Ribsskog
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Problemene jeg hadde på flyplassen i Detroit, har jo vært et tema på bloggen. Jeg prøvde å søke på nettet, og havna på et forum hvor jeg ble tulla med
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=513951
PS.
Jeg ‘paster’ alt på bloggen, så har jeg det, i tilfelle jeg finner ut at noe av dette senere burde tas opp i en rettsak, eller noe.
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Feb 13th 2008, 3:11 am #1
johncons
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Posts: 9Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.
Hi,I’m really a Nurse living in Britain, but I searched on the internet, regarding some problems I’ve been having, when I tried to go to the USA, in 2005.
Then I had some problems with the Detroit Imigration Control, and they wrote some text in my passport, and sent me back to Oslo, via Paris.
Here’s what was written:
Just now, I searched on the internet, on the text ‘8 CFR 217.4 (a)’.
And I found this post, on this message-board:
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73347
The post-writer, seems to have been having a similar problem as I had, when I tried to go to the US, for a holiday, two or three months, in February 2005.
I wanted to rent a car in Detroit, and drive and see a bit of the country.
But I wasn’t let through the passport-control, and I had to sit an answer questions in a room, for several hours.
And I suspect they were calling like, the Norwegian government, and things like that.
I’m not sure exactly what they mean with ‘no ties outside of the US’.
But if they were afraid that I would exploit the American welfare system, then I think that was a bit strange, since Norway has like a generous, or what the right word is, welfare system.
But anyway.
I had a rented storage in Oslo, with City Self Storage there.
Is that considered a tie outside of the US, I was wondering.
And I have a grandmother in Norway etc., but I’m not sure if that’s considered a tie.
The reason I’m wondering how they define ‘a tie’, is that I’m a bit worried, that people, who they define, as not having ‘a tie’, is being played games with, used as ‘target guys’, etc, by the CIA etc.
So I’m trying to get whatever it is that is going on to stop.
This is a link, where I’ve been trying to explain what’s going on a bit better:
http://johncons.trykker.com/2008/02/…22-pa-engelsk/
So, I would be very if someone knows they define ‘a tie’, because it’s sometimes a bit stressful, with whats going on, and I suspect it could be linked with what happened in the Detroit Imigration Control, or what they are called, in 2005.
So thanks very much in advance for any help!
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Feb 13th 2008, 9:16 am #2
Folinskyinla
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Posts: 15,281Re: Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.
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Originally Posted by johnconsSo, I would be very if someone knows they define ‘a tie’, because it’s sometimes a bit stressful, with whats going on, and I suspect it could be linked with what happened in the Detroit Imigration Control, or what they are called, in 2005.
So thanks very much in advance for any help!
Hi:First of all, your facebook link needs a password of some sort.
“Ties” is equivalent to a home outside of the US which you intend to return to.
The 8 CFR 217.4(a) notation simply shows that you were refused entry on the Visa Waiver program — please note that this does NOT count as a formal removal. And fortunately, the “no ties” notation shows that there was NO fraud finding.
The VW is simply an admission under the equivalent of the “B-1/2” non-immigrant categories. [There are some procedural differences]. If you look up section 101(a)(15)(B) of the Immigration & Nationality Act, the very definition of visitor requires that one have home abroad with no intention of abandoning it.
So the reference to “ties” is to show the existence of a residence abroad AND an intent to return to that residence. And those ties can change. For example, the three month visit at a land border is indication of coming to the US to stay — and it was up to you to show that was not true. BTW, did you have a confirmed ticket out of the US or did you simply plan to return to Canada?
That said, since you were not formally “removed”, you are entitled to a new determination if you seek to obtain visitor status again.
You now have proof of an excellent tie to the EC — you have a good job. Do you have other proof of residence in the UK? I’m not familiar with the UK documents that a citizen of another EC country might have that show residence in the UK — driver’s license, Council taxes, etc? That is also good evidence of a residence in the US.
I hope this helps. It is not all that difficult.
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johncons
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Posts: 9Re: Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.
Hi,thank you very much for your answer!
Here is a link, by the way, wich has a picture of the passport etc:
http://johncons.trykker.com/2008/02/…32-pa-engelsk/
I’m not really sure if I understand this, but I wasn’t allowed an entry to the USA, because I went there right after my studies in Sunderland, and since I then went to London, and then Holland and Germany.
And then I bought a ticket from Frankfurt to Detroit.
And then I wasn’t allowed an entry to the US, since I didn’t have a non-US address, as I understand it now.
Thats the meaning of ‘a tie’, like I understand it now.
So if one haven’t got a non-US address, then one shouldn’t go to the US, because then you aren’t going to be let in to the country.
Thats how I understand it.
I wasn’t really aware of this at all.
I had a storage where I had the things I couldn’t bring with me to Sunderland.
And I really had a British address as well, since I had really agreed with the Univeristy of Sunderland, that I would stay there untill the summer of 2005.
But there were some problems, with my studiy-finance, and getting the 3rd yeard bachelor computer modules from Sunderland, approved by my home university, HiO, in Oslo.
So I suspect that there could have been something phoney going on with the study-finance and the approveal of the modules.
Anyway, these problems, took a bit of the focus away from the lectures etc.
So I finally recieved my study-finance, in January, about four months late, then I was so behind schedule, that I thought it was smarter to just try to get a job.
So thats why I went to London.
And then there were some problems with some criminal networks, or something like that, there as well, it seemed, so I had to move on.
And after a while, I got a bit tired of these problems, that I didn’t really understand, so I thought I could maybe go to the US, because I didn’t think I would be having problems with being recognised everywhere, like it seemed a bit like I was having a problem with in Europe.
In Detroit, they said that I couldn’t use the visa, that in a way is in the electronic passport that I’ve got, any longer, since I had no lost that possiblity, due to the mentioned problems.
And there has almost been nothing but problems with government/intelligence, something like that, after this episode, so I suspect that they could be linked.
Also, when I got to Oslo, from Detroit, via Paris, then my suitcase wasn’t there.
I had to wait untill the next day for my suitcase.
It appeared then, that some homeland security, or something like that, had withheld my suitcase, since I had a lighter there, together with all my other stuff, from Sunderland.
And also, they said there, in Detroit, that if I didn’t go to Oslo, via Paris, or to London (to which I didn’t want to go, due to the mentioned problems), then I had to stay in prison there, untill the next day.
I didn’t want to start having habbits like going to prison, so I thought it sounded smartest to go to Oslo, even if I think it would have a bit fun to maybe see a bit of the US, on the way to and from prison.
But maybe they would have just put me in a car, from which one couldn’t look out.
So I didn’t actually have a return-ticket, but I had the study-finance money, from Sunderland.
Because I thought it would be smarter to use the money, to get a new job and a flat etc., than continue, with the models there, since I was so behind schedule then, so I don’t really think I would had a chance of passing all the exams anyway.
So I just tried to use my head really, and then contact the University, when I had settled, in London, like I had planned.
But this didn’t go like I had planned it, and I had some problems with my face (long story), on top of this as well, so I just wanted to get a way a bit from the problems, so I thought it could be a good idea, to get away from Europe a few months, and then maybe my face would be better, and could try to get a job etc, when I returned, after a few months.
But I didn’t really understand, why it seemed, that I was recognised everywhere, it was a bit tirering, thats why I tried to go to the US.
But I didn’t really know how to explain all this, with the criminal networks and all to the Imigration Control, I was a bit afraid, that with my luck, I would probably just be sent to Guanatanamo, or something like that, and I didn’t really understand what was going on, so I just told about the University, and the study finance, and things like that.
But I guess I should contact, like eg. the American Embassy, or something like that.
But I think that, one maybe should be a bit carefull, about letting some government, finding out, that one haven’t got an address, if one go travelling, after ones studies etc., then one could be a bit in problems, if the Government find out that you haven’t got ‘a tie’.
At least it seems that way to me.
I’m not sure who to discuss this with, because I don’t this is something that is official.
So I’m not sure if this is something that the different governments want to discuss.
But it seems to me that Governments take advantage of things like this, and I also think that it can sometimes be annoying.
If it is like it seems to me.
Because, I don’t want to complain, but I think that, even if people haven’t got an address at the moment.
Even so, I think that they still have human rights.
So I suspect a bit, that if one are a bit unlucky with the Imigration Control, then one can get to situations were ones human rights, aren’t looked that carefully after.
At least it seems that way to me.
So maybe other people also could get into similar problems, if they are unlucky with the Imigration Control.
But I guess I should try to bring this up with organisations like Amnesty and Human Rights Watch, etc.
Sorry that I’m writing very much here, I know I can’t expect people to read all this, or to answer all my questions, so I understand it if I don’t get any replies to this post.
If one are a Norwegian citizen working in Britain, then one have things like a national insurance number, council tax/utillity bills, British bank-account, etc., so I think it sounds smart to bring things like that probably yes, if one wanted to try to go to the US again.
But I really think I would need to contact the American Embassy and here with them.
But thanks anyway for the reply, it had a lot of usefull information in it, so I’ll look more at this, and then I’ll decide what to do next.
So thanks very much again for the help!
But thanks very much again for the answer, I
Feb 13th 2008, 10:09 am #4
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Hi,I’m really a Nurse living in Britain, but I searched on the internet, regarding some problems I’ve been having, when I tried to go to the USA, in 2005.
Then I had some problems with the Detroit Imigration Control, and they wrote some text in my passport, and sent me back to Oslo, via Paris.
Here’s what was written:
Just now, I searched on the internet, on the text ‘8 CFR 217.4 (a)’.
And I found this post, on this message-board:
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73347
The post-writer, seems to have been having a similar problem as I had, when I tried to go to the US, for a holiday, two or three months, in February 2005.
I wanted to rent a car in Detroit, and drive and see a bit of the country.
But I wasn’t let through the passport-control, and I had to sit an answer questions in a room, for several hours.
And I suspect they were calling like, the Norwegian government, and things like that.
I’m not sure exactly what they mean with ‘no ties outside of the US’.
But if they were afraid that I would exploit the American welfare system, then I think that was a bit strange, since Norway has like a generous, or what the right word is, welfare system.
But anyway.
I had a rented storage in Oslo, with City Self Storage there.
Is that considered a tie outside of the US, I was wondering.
And I have a grandmother in Norway etc., but I’m not sure if that’s considered a tie.
The reason I’m wondering how they define ‘a tie’, is that I’m a bit worried, that people, who they define, as not having ‘a tie’, is being played games with, used as ‘target guys’, etc, by the CIA etc.
So I’m trying to get whatever it is that is going on to stop.
This is a link, where I’ve been trying to explain what’s going on a bit better:
http://johncons.trykker.com/2008/02/…22-pa-engelsk/
So, I would be very if someone knows they define ‘a tie’, because it’s sometimes a bit stressful, with whats going on, and I suspect it could be linked with what happened in the Detroit Imigration Control, or what they are called, in 2005.
So thanks very much in advance for any help!
And I wrote ‘Norse’, and not ‘Nurse’.I took a back-up, of the post, after I’d submitted it:
https://johncons-blogg.net/…ard-still.html
So this harassment-problem, I’m goint to bring up.
It helps showing that there is something going on.
Feb 13th 2008, 10:32 am #5
augigi
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Erik, if I were you I’d remove the facebook album that has your passport details etc displayed – it’s amazing what people can do with your personal details.Feb 13th 2008, 10:37 am #6
johncons
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Erik, if I were you I’d remove the facebook album that has your passport details etc displayed – it’s amazing what people can do with your personal details.
Hi,yes you’re very right, I removed my bank account number already, so I am aware of the problem you’re bringing up regarding identity theaft etc.
I’m not sure how it fits with the Imigration-stuff, but nevermind.
Thanks anyway!
Erik
Feb 13th 2008, 11:02 am #7
Tracym
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Erik, meant most kindly – there are some bits in your previous post that are a bit… unusual. I am wondering if you are feeling quite well, perhaps you might like to seek out a doctor as well, just to make sure that you are ok.
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TracyFeb 13th 2008, 11:13 am #8
johncons
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Erik, meant most kindly – there are some bits in your previous post that are a bit… unusual. I am wondering if you are feeling quite well, perhaps you might like to seek out a doctor as well, just to make sure that you are ok.
I think people shouldnt reply to posts if they haven’t got anything to contribute with regarding the subject of the thread.So I would just like to inform the message-board that I don’t really appriciate being f-ed around, like the poster here seems to be trying to, so from now on, I’m not going to reply to harassing posts.
It’s seems like people speculate, to bring the focus away from the real subject of the discussion, at that is a menace, or what the right word is again.
It’s not really something that should be sought after.
Feb 13th 2008, 11:15 am #9
Tracym
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Originally Posted by johncons
I think people shouldnt reply to posts if they haven’t got anything to contribute with regarding the subject of the thread.So I would just like to inform the message-board that I don’t really appriciate being f-ed around, like the poster here seems to be trying to, so from now on, I’m not going to reply to harassing posts.
It’s seems like people speculate, to bring the focus away from the real subject of the discussion, at that is a menace, or what the right word is again.
It’s not really something that should be sought after.
No, I was really trying to be nice. I’m sorry you don’t feel that way.
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TracyFeb 13th 2008, 11:17 am #10
johncons
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No, I was really trying to be nice. I’m sorry you don’t feel that way.
Keep to the subject.Don’t bring feelings into this.
Feb 13th 2008, 11:32 am #11
Tracym
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Originally Posted by johncons
Keep to the subject.Don’t bring feelings into this.
Good luck to you. I hope you find the help you need.
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TracyFeb 13th 2008, 11:35 am #12
johncons
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Good luck to you. I hope you find the help you need.
You are really anoying me.Please stop acting personal towards people you don’t know.
And this is a message-board, not a chat-room.
Feb 13th 2008, 11:40 am #13
ian-mstm
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Keep to the subject.
Okay… you need to understand that, almost without exception, the US immigration laws are specifically designed to keep non-US citizens *out* of the country. You have no right to enter the US – even as a visitor… it is a privilege. By the way, your “human rights” were not violated just because you were not allowed into the US.Quote:
And this is a message-board, not a chat-room.
This is a public forum… you are *not* obligated to read any responses you get.Ian
Feb 13th 2008, 11:48 am #14
johncons
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Okay… you need to understand that, almost without exception, the US immigration laws are specifically designed to keep non-US citizens *out* of the country. You have no right to enter the US – even as a visitor… it is a privilege. By the way, your “human rights” were not violated just because you were not allowed into the US.This is a public forum… you are *not* obligated to read any responses you get.
Ian
‘Keep to the subject’, wasn’t to you.I’m not obligated to read respones I get.
What kind of nonsense is that?
You are patronising me, and thats harassment, thats illigal.
Stick to the topic, or go f off.
Feb 13th 2008, 11:54 am #15
johncons
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‘Keep to the subject’, wasn’t to you.I’m not obligated to read respones I get.
What kind of nonsense is that?
You are patronising me, and thats harassment, thats illigal.
Stick to the topic, or go f off.
These seems like organised attacks by the way.Definetly something going on.
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Feb 13th 2008, 11:58 am #16
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Originally Posted by johnconsYou are patronising me, and thats harassment, thats illigal.
Stick to the topic, or go f off.
I see no one subjecting you to “harassment” on this forum, and I would ask you not to swear.Thank you
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Feb 13th 2008, 12:11 pm #17
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That said, since you were not formally “removed”, you are entitled to a new determination if you seek to obtain visitor status again.
Would the OP be entitled to the VWP now, or would he need to apply for a B1/2 visa?Feb 13th 2008, 12:42 pm #18
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These seems like organised attacks by the way.Definetly something going on.
Johncons, you are clearly suffering from delusional paranoia. Your talk of government conspiracies, Immigration conspiracies, organized crime, your face being recognized everywhere, harassment etc. is delusional, and you need to seek psychiatric help far more than you need immigration advice.Oh, and yes I’m sure you’ll take offense at this post, tell me to f-off and announce that I’m part of the conspiracy, but that won’t change the fact that you need to get medical help.
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For every complex problem there is a simple and elegant solution… and it is wrong. – misquoted from H.L. MenckenFeb 13th 2008, 12:51 pm #19
Tracym
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Johncons, you are clearly suffering from delusional paranoia. Your talk of government conspiracies, Immigration conspiracies, organized crime, your face being recognized everywhere, harassment etc. is delusional, and you need to seek psychiatric help far more than you need immigration advice.Oh, and yes I’m sure you’ll take offense at this post, tell me to f-off and announce that I’m part of the conspiracy, but that won’t change the fact that you need to get medical help.
That’s what I was trying to gently say. Johncons is almost certainly ineligible to visit the US at present, due to his medical condition.If that condition can be treated and stabalised, he might be able to visit.
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I’m going to guess how your POE experience went:POE Officer: Hi there! And what brings you to the US?
Johncons: I thought I could maybe go to the US, because I didn’t think I would be having problems with being recognised everywhere, like it seemed a bit like I was having a problem with in Europe. But I didn’t really understand, why it seemed, that I was recognised everywhere, it was a bit tirering, thats why I tried to go to the US.
POE Officer: Alrighty then… huh, come againMost people say “for a holiday” or “to see relatives” or “to get a hooker in vegas”. I think any of those responses would have been better.
That may account for some of your problems getting in. The ties thing probably didn’t help matters, but I think they were the least of your worries.
Feb 13th 2008, 1:10 pm #21
Tracym
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I’m going to guess how your POE experience went:POE Officer: Hi there! And what brings you to the US?
Johncons: I thought I could maybe go to the US, because I didn’t think I would be having problems with being recognised everywhere, like it seemed a bit like I was having a problem with in Europe. But I didn’t really understand, why it seemed, that I was recognised everywhere, it was a bit tirering, thats why I tried to go to the US.
POE Officer: Alrighty then… huh, come againMost people say “for a holiday” or “to see relatives” or “to get a hooker in vegas”. I think any of those responses would have been better.
That may account for some of your problems getting in. The ties thing probably didn’t help matters, but I think they were the least of your worries.
He is ill I believe, he can’t help it. I hope things work out for him.
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You are patronising me, and thats harassment, thats illigal.
Clearly, you need to learn more about US law and what is or isn’t considered harassment.Ian
Feb 13th 2008, 1:37 pm #23
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These seems like organised attacks by the way.
I’ll say this… you do seem to have your share of adventures! I invite the gentle readers of this forum to read the following links:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Johncons … something about pizza. The discussion at the bottom is really interesting!
and
http://johncons.blog.com/2008/1/ … scroll down and read the entry: “Re: Inhumane treatment from the Government”.
Sad really… very sad!
Ian
Feb 13th 2008, 2:13 pm #24
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Best entertainment I’ve had all day! But it is early in the morning here on the West Coast (0714).Feb 13th 2008, 2:15 pm #25
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