Stikkord: Grandiosa

[rediger] Ingredienser
Den nøyaktige oppskriften er hemmelig. Kjøttet på pizzaen er en blanding av storfekjøtt, vann, soyaprotein, krydre og konserveringsmiddel. [1] Etter 1997 ble det i en periode brukt gelatin som bindemiddel i kjøttblandingen. (Noe vi kan se på Stabburets websider. På noen websider står det at pizzaen inneholder soyaprotein, og på andre websider står det at pizzaen inneholder gelatin fra svin, som bindemiddel.) [2] [3]

[rediger] Eksport av Grandiosa
Når det gjelder eksport av Grandiosa, så er det to andre land enn Norge, hvor Orkla har fullt utbygget salg, markedsførings og distribusjonsnett innen frossenpizza-segmentet.

Dette er Finland og Sverige.

I Finland så selges disse variantene av den originale Grandiosaen: Grandiosa Original, Grandiosa Original 2 pk., Grandiosa Hawaii, Grandiosa Kjøttdeig og Løk og Grandiosa Pepperoni.[4]

I Sverige selger de ingen varianter av den originale Grandiosaen.[5]

http://no.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pizza_Grandiosa&oldid=3487120

For å oppdatere litt mer om pizza, siden jeg var inne på tema tidligere i denne diskusjonen, og fordi jeg alltid har likt pizza bedre enn politikk, selv om det ikke er sånn at jeg hater politikk, men jeg har alltid vært veldig glad i pizza.

Kanskje etter at muttern tok meg med på Hvalen resturant på Østre Halsen, på midten av 70-tallet en gang, med ens ærend at jeg skulle få spise pizza på resturanten der, som nettopp vel, hadde begynt å ha pizza på menyen.

Det virka litt merkelig på meg, hvorfor skulle hun absolutt prakke i meg pizza, som jeg først ikke likte, jeg hadde aldri sett noe sånn rar mat med smelta ost på den måten.

Og fattern, på begynnelsen av 80-tallet, kjøpte alltid Grandiosa og Coca Cola til meg.

Når jeg var i militæret, så var det en kar der, med lyst hår vel, som jeg husker sa, at når han spiste Grandiosa, så la den seg som en klump i magan i flere dager.

Og Jarle i Åpen Post, sa det, at man burde ikke spise for mye forskjellige slag mat av gangen, det likte ikke magan.

Og det sier vel Kosher-reglene til jødene og.

Og blodtypedietten, sier at folk med blodtype 0, (hvorfor heter det blodtype 0, når de andre heter A og B?).

Tradisjonelle nordiske/norrøne (lyshårede) folk, har vel ofte blodtype 0(?)

Så de blir vel redusert av pizza(?)

Hvorfor selges det da så mye frossenpizza i Norge, og hvorfor er det da så mange pizzerier i Sverige?

Det virker som det er en plan, å redusere de tradisjonelle nordiske folka.

Å få dem til å bli litt bleike, og få systemet dems til å mer eller mindre blokkere seg, sånn at alt blodet går til magan, og omtrent ikkenoe til hue(?)

Er dette en del av en krig mot de nordiske/norrøne folka?

Da jeg jobba på Rimi Langhus, så satt jeg og Sølvi og Espen Karsen inne på røykerommet der.

Begge dem har jo lyst hår, og det har jeg og.

Og da spurte Espen Karlsen, Sølvi, om hu ville ha noe godteri.

Så sa Sølvi at hu ble så dårlig i magan av godteri.

Og da sa Espen Karlsen, at det ble han og.

Så jeg lurer på om det er det samme med godteri.

For jeg kjøpte masse godteri her om dagen, når jeg fikk lønning, og det var ikke bra for magan merka jeg, så det er nok ikke smart å spise så mye godteri.

Men samme det.

Jeg jobba jo i 12 år i Rimi vel.

Og jeg husker de kundene osv., som virka litt ‘importante’ osv.

De sa noen ganger sånn, (i butikken, og jeg hørte det også i andre sammenhenger).

At nei, papp-pizza, det spiste de ikke, for det smakte papp.

Men det smaker jo ikke papp.

Jeg spist nok Grandiosa i mitt liv, til å vite, at mellom pappen og pizzaen, der er det plast.

Så hvis pizzaen skulle ha smakt noe annet enn pizza, så burde det vel da være plast?

Så dette med papp-pizza, og at papp-pizza smaker papp, og at det er derfor de ikke spiser frossenpizza.

Det tror jeg er røverhistorie.

Jeg tror det er nærmere sannheten, hvis man sier at disse papp-pizza folkene, vet at det er noe galt med kjøttblandingen i pizzaen, og at det er derfor de ikke spiser den.

Jeg bare kom på dette nå.

Men så skal jeg prøve å holde meg til tema fremover, håper det går greit!

http://debatt.aftenposten.no/item.php?GroupID=10&ThreadID=227704&page=3#item3477664

BUSINESS-SECRET WITH THE PRICE OF NOK 25.90. (About £2).

(Article translated from the online version of the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet.,
published Sunday 28/12/1997).

Orkla Foods is been secretive about where it is, that the basic ingredients,
to the Pizza Grandiosa is from. Orkla don’t wont to provide information regarding
eighter the orginiating country or supplier for the basic ingredients.
They refuse to answer questions regarding the meat in the Grandiosa. And when
Dagbladet visited the pizza-factory in Stranda, the restrictions, on what
Dagbladet was allowed to view, were particularely tight. – Business-secrets,
Information Director in Orkla Foods, Håkon Mageli says.

Orginial article written by Lajla Ellingsen.

It’s not about pizza. It’s about that pizza. The one that all the Norse loves,
according to Stabburet, or like Information Director in Stabburet, Håkon Mageli,
says: ‘It tastes bloody good’. And then it’s natrual to ask. What is it really,
that we’re eating so much of? What is a Pizza Grandiosa? – It says on the box,
the Information Director answers. With the Information Director brought with us,
we are heading towards Stranda, the pizza paradise, where Orkla Foods recently
have investigated in a new factory to the price of 200.000.000 NOK. Where it
this day, is being produced 180 000 pizzas. And from new year, the capacity is
being increased by fifty percent. – It not really everything that is being said
on the box, Meat from large cattle (storfekjøtt), it can mean anything from cow
to horse, can’t it?

– It’s not horse in the Grandiosa, Madam! Hageli thunders, but he admit that it
is a mixture. From cow or bull.

– Which looks like real meat?

– It’s now simple task to make well tasting pizza-meat. The taste is the most
important to us. If it doesn’t taste good, then the consumer isn’t going to
buy the pizza.

– But you can’t claim that it’s a coincident, that the way you mix and cut the
mixture, makes it look like real meat?

– Claim and claim. It is meat from big cattle (storfekjøtt) in the meat. But you’ll
never get my recipy, due to competitiveabilty-reasons.

NAIVE BEYOND LIMITS

It was here that it started. Two weeks ago. When we wanted to go behind the ingredients-
list on the famous yellow and red pizza-boxes. Like what type of meat that was being
used. – what piece of the cattle are we eating when we are eating Grandiosa? Or if
we could be sure of that the soy-protein, being used to bind the meat, isn’t gene-
modified. What about the tomatoo-puree? We wished to trace the ingredients back to
the producer. And we wondered what we really could get for 25.90 NOK. And we got
answered:

– Eg. Jarslberg-cheese, produced by ‘Norske Meierier’. (Translates to Norwegian Dairys,
the Norwegian Dairy monopoly).

– What about the soy-protein?

– We are not supplying information about the supplier of the soy-protein.

– But how can we know that it isn’t gene-modified then?

– Because we have got a garanty from our supplier. We have a policy on that we shouldn’t
use gene-modified products. The consumer can be reasured about this.

– But the consumer is without any possibilities to double-check this?

– We can’t reveal who our suppliers are. It would be naive beyond any limits. We protect
what we have. You’ll never get my recipy.

The Information Director said. But we got an appointment to see the production. In 14 days.

AS FEW ANSWERS

He’s Mr. Grandiosa. The Factory Manager in white, Ivar Moss, the entrepenour who blinks in
a clever way every time he nods, and who is enjoying the self-rolled un-filtered tobacco-
sigarette, when the young, dark Information Director, is laying transparent-documents on
the overhead-projector, and is telling about market-shares, and business-strategies. And
about food-safety. And from new year, it’s going to be a free of charge landline number,
so that everyone can call if they are having any questions about the pizzas.

– And then they’ll get as few answers as us?

– I think you have gotten very good answers. There are some things we can’t say.

– But it’s emerging a stronger and stronger demand from consumers, to know more about the
production-process and origination?

– I wont say how wer are going to provide information in the future. We’ll have to look
at this, Mageli says, and then it’s Mr. Grandiosa’s turn. He who was called up by Leif
Frode onarheim, more than twenty years ago, with the question if he could producy pizzas
at Stranda. Of course we can, Moss answered, hang up the phone, turned in bed, poked his
wife, and asked: ‘What’s pizza’? He didn’t know then, but the young people know, who
in the seventies revolutionised the eating habbits in the home, with home-made pizza.
After the revolution, pizza became a factory-produced product, eaten by everyone, and
which fitted well in a country, where one have to get by with a packed lunch, instead of
a hot lunch. And where the hunger demands the food to be put on the table, as soon as
one enters the door to ones home. Then the answer is, more often than in any other
country, frozen pizza. Or like social-antropolog and researcher on ‘Statens Institutt
for Forbruksforskning’ (The Governments Institute for Consumer Research), Mariann Lien,
says it:

– The Grandiosa explains the pressure we are living under. It might be looked at as a
symbol of the development in the home. (Or it really says at the home-front).

– So the Grandiosa is the price were paying for womens liberation?

– Price and price. I think it’s a totally alright meal. But it’s a good point, Lien says.

Ivar Moss turns around. He’s going to show us the factory, which he himself has been part
of constructing. But what we get to see, is the production of the pizza-bread. And the
packaging of the finished product. Thats it.

– I’d love to let you join me in the shower, but you’ll never get to the topping-department.
We have stright hygienical restrictions, and it’s also top secret. We have many competitors.

THEN WE DISAGREE

So this is how it turned out that we only got to see about 1.5 kilometers of the 3.5 kilo-
meter long production-line. And we get to know that the conserving-agent, the salt, the spice,
the hardener, and the tomato-puree, are imported from abroad. While tha meat, the cheese,
the milk-protein, the yeest, and the flour are domesticly produced. The soy-protein have
recently been switched to gelatine. Because the supplier, on a long term, couldn’t garantee,
suficient quantities of non gene-maniupalet soy. We don’t get to know anything more. And the
Information Manager is present, to make sure that nothing more than what the higher management
have decided, is being told.

– But what quality can the basic ingridients have, with so low prices on the ready product, an in
a market, like the Norwegian, where the food-shop-chains, and not the suppliers, are in control?

– Good. We have to have good basic ingridients, we have well developed systems who ensures the
level of the quality. Eg. we have our own veterinerian, Håkon Mageli says.

– BUt the meat, how much meat is it really in it?

– You won’t accept no for an answer?

– No?

– Then we disagree. We’ll not tell anything more about the meat-case.

The yellow signs warnes people that aren’t clearified/related. Ivar Moss opens the door.

– Then I’ll walk in front, and you behind, Håkon, so that we have everything under control.

http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/1997/12/28/48643.html

Råvarer 2
cons
07/02 06:42
De siste månendene, så har vi hørt at Orkla har klaget over at råvare-prisene, til produktene deres, ventes å økes kraftig i tiden fremover. Da lurer jeg på om det kan være grunn til å lure på hvorfor råvarene har vært så billlige tidligere? Hvor har de hentet disse råvarene fra, og fra hvilke pattedyr? Hvorfor ble Pizza Grandiosa Original trukket tilbake fra Sverige?
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Råvarer.
cons
07/02 06:40
Jeg synes det er grunn til å fokusere litt på kvaliteten på råvarene som blir brukt i Orklas produkter. F.eks. ville direktøren på Orklas Grandiosa fabrikk i Stranda, og Orklas Inf. Direktør, nødlig ut med opprinnelseslandene og annen info. om råvarene: www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/1997/12/28/48643.html

http://e24.no/boers-og-finans/article2240923.ece

Kvalitet på kjøttblanding på Grandiosa 2
cons
06/02 19:05
Det virker som om den vanlige Grandiosaen, produsert på Stranda, ikke gikk gjennom den svenske statlige matvarekontrollen, altså tilsvaret mattilsynet i Norge. Her er en link med en kopi av en e-post jeg sendte Stein Erik Hagen, tidligere i år, så får vi se om det dukker opp noe svar da: https://johncons-blogg.net/2008/01/svar-p-brev.html
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Kvalitet på kjøttblandinen på Grandiosa?
cons
06/02 19:04
Jeg lurer på om det kan også være noe med at kvaltieten på kjøttblandingen på Pizza Grandiosa, ikke vel er helt god antagelig, i allefall er det tvil om hva den består av. Altså hvilket pattedyr som brukes, kan man vel lure på, siden svenskene ikke selger vanlig Grandiosa lenger.

http://e24.no/boers-og-finans/article2240923.ece

Doubt surrounding the ‘pizza-meat’ binding-agent

The neutrality of this section is disputed.Please see the discussion on the talk page.
In a thread on the Norwegian TV2 Nettavisen administered message-board Veggavisen, some doubt regarding which binding-agent that is being used in the ‘pizza-meat’ mixture[4], on the original Grandiosa, was put forward.[5] One of the webpages on the Stabburet website states that the binding-agent being used is soy protein[6], while another states that the binding-agent being used is gelatin based on swine.[7] In an 1997 article from the online editon of the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet, the Factory Director, Ivar Moss, is being referred to as saying, with the Information Director in Orkla Foods, Håkon Mageli present, that they have recently switched the binding-agent from soy protein to gelatin.[8] On the Grandiosa boxes, it’s saying, that the binding-agent being used is soy protein.[9][10][11]

Pizzas produced on the Grandiosa pizza-factory in Stranda, not being sold in Sweden

The neutrality of this section is disputed.Please see the discussion on the talk page.
In the same thread on the Veggavisen message-board, as referred to in last section, a small paradox regarding the fact that the extremely popular Norwegian Italian-style Orkla Group Stabburet Grandiosa pizzas[12] aren’t being sold in Sweden, even if the far less popular Norwegian American-style Orkla Group Stabburet Big One pizzas[13] are. (Under the product-name ‘Grandiosa Pan Pizza’, and the Orkla Group producer-label ‘Procordia Food’).[14], was uncovered.[15]
In Sweden, only “Grandiosa”-pizzas produced on the Orkla Group Procordia Food pizza–factory in Vansbro in Dalarna in Sweden[16], and on the Orkla Group Stabburet Big One pizza–factory in Stranda in Norway, are being sold.[17]
In the rural West–Norwegian municipality of Stranda, in the traditional district of Sunnmøre, in Møre og Romsdal, there are actually two Orkla Group Stabburet pizza–factories. One Big One-factory, and one Grandiosa-factory.[18]
The American-style pizzas produced on the Big One-factory, are being sold as ‘Big One’ pizzas in Norway[19], and as ‘Grandiosa Pan Pizza’ in Sweden and Finland.[20][21]
The Italian-style pizzas produced on the Grandiosa-factory are being sold as ‘Grandiosa’ pizzas in Norway[22], and as ‘Grandiosa’ pizzas of the category ‘Perhepizzat’, family-pizzas, in Finland.[23]

References
^ Sverre Bjørstad Graff (2002–07-01). Grandiosa – den store testen! (Norwegian). Retrieved on 2006–10-14.
^ Joakim Thorkildsen (2006–03-14). 300 000 har lastet ned Grandiosa-låt (Norwegian). Retrieved on 2006–10-14.
^ Stabburet. Merker og Produkter – Grandiosa (Norwegian). Retrieved on 2006–10-14.
^ Stabburet. Storhusholdning: Produktkatalog – Grandiosa Pizza 10x585g (Norwegian). Retrieved on 2007–12-01.
^ Veggavisen. Kultur – Mat og drikke – Hvordan kjøtt er det i Pizza Grandiosa (Norwegian). Retrieved on 2007–12-03.
^ Stabburet. Storhusholdning: Produktkatalog – Grandiosa Pizza 10x585g (Norwegian). Retrieved on 2007–12-01.
^ Stabburet. Ernæring og helse – Næringstabeller – Grandiosa (Norwegian). Retrieved on 2007–12-01.
^ Dagbladet. Forretningshemmelighet til 25,90 (Norwegian). Retrieved on 2007–12-01.
^ Veggavisen. Kultur – Mat og drikke – Hvordan kjøtt er det i Pizza Grandiosa (In this message-board thread, one of the users has added a picture of the Pizza Grandiosa box, taken with a digital camera, showing that it’s saying on the box, that the binding-agent being used is soy protein) (Norwegian). Retrieved on 2007–12-02.
^ Islam.no. Salam Diskusjonsforum – Pludring og prat – Topic: Bacon-snacks (The users of this muslim message-board, seems to think that the binding-agent being used is soy protein) (Norwegian). Retrieved on 2007–12-02.
^ Grandiosa. Perhepizzat – Grandiosa (Click the ‘Grandiosa Classic 585g’-link, to see that it’s saying on the Finnish Grandiosa-website, that the binding-agent being used is ‘soijaproteiina’, soy protein) (Finnish). Retrieved on 2007–12-01.
^ Stabburet. Merker og produkter – Pizza – Pizza Grandiosa (Norwegian). Retrieved on 2007–12-03.
^ Stabburet. Merker og produkter – Pizza – Big One Pizza (Norwegian). Retrieved on 2007–12-02.
^ Grandiosa. Hitta din idealpizza (Click ‘Pizzor’ on the webpage, to get to the menu showing pictures of the different pizza-types being sold in Sweden) (Swedish). Retrieved on 2007–12-01.
^ Veggavisen. Kultur – Mat og drikke – Hvordan kjøtt er det i Pizza Grandiosa (Norwegian). Retrieved on 2007–12-03.
^ Procodia Food AB. Våra produktionsanläggningar – Vansbro, Dalarna (Click ‘OM PROCORDIA FOOD’ and ‘Produktionsanläggningar’ on the webpage, to see the different production-sites) (Swedish). Retrieved on 2007–12-02.
^ Grandiosa. Hitta din idealpizza (Click ‘Pizzor’ on the webpage, to get to the menu showing pictures of the different pizza-types being sold in Sweden) (Swedish). Retrieved on 2007–12-01.
^ Veiatlas.no – Din reiseplanlegger med presentasjon av norske hjørnestensbedrifter. Stabburet AS Stranda, Kyrkjegata (Norwegian). Retrieved on 2007–12-01.
^ Stabburet. Merker og produkter – Pizza – Big One Pizza (Norwegian). Retrieved on 2007–12-02.
^ Grandiosa. Hitta din idealpizza (Click ‘Pizzor’ on the webpage, to get to the menu showing pictures of the different pizza-types being sold in Sweden) (Swedish). Retrieved on 2007–12-01.
^ Grandiosa. Grandiosa – Pannupizzat (Finnish). Retrieved on 2007–12-02.
^ Stabburet. Merker og produkter – Pizza – Pizza Grandiosa (Norwegian). Retrieved on 2007–12-03.
^ Grandiosa. Grandiosa – Perhepizzat (Finnish). Retrieved on 2007–12-01.

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