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    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>



    Complaint




    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>


    Thu, Jul 12, 2007 at 5:06 AM





    To:

    Richard.Little@liverpool.gov.uk


    Cc:

    "Lennon, Linda" <linda.lennon@liverpool.gov.uk>, "Southern, Lesley" <Lesley.Southern@liverpool.gov.uk>



    Hi,

     

    I'm refering to phone-call last week (4/7). I know I said I'd send this e-mail no

    later than Wednesday, but I didn't get to start on it untill late on Wednesday,

    so it's probably going to be Thursday untill I get to actually send the e-mail,

    so sorry about that!

     

     

    Problems with washing women/girls in the mens changing-room during opening hours:

     

    The first thing I wondered about, was regarding the problems described in

    the e-mail I sent to Linda Lennon on 8/6, about the washing girl/women in

    the mens changing-room.

     

    I'll copy the text from that e-mail into this e-mail, since I have some questions

    regarding that episode:

     

    to




    		linda.lennon@liverpool.gov.uk

    		 

    		date

    		Jun 8, 2007 10:58 PM

    		 

    		subject

    		Fwd: Statement

    		 

    		mailed-by

    		gmail.com

    		 


    Hi,

     

    I just got back from the gym, it closed at 9 pm.

     

    I just had to eat a bit and relax a bit after the work-out, or else I would have sent the

    email at once.

     

    Because what I'm wondering about with the gym, is:

     

    Is it really right that there should be female washing-staf in the mens wardrobe

    at 8.45 pm, when the gym closes at 9pm?

     

    This happened again today, and it has also happened once before.

    I used to workout a bit when I lived in Oslo and Sunderland as well, but they never

    used to start washing the wardrobe until after the closing hours.

     

    So I think that since the gym is run by the Council, I think that they shouldn't

    have the washing-routines that includes female staff starting to wash in the

    mens wardrobe as early as 8.45 pm.

     

    I think they should wait until after closing-hours to wash the mens wardrobe,

    and that if they have to wash, then they could maybe instead wash the machines

    in the gym or something else before the gym is closed.

     

    When I went into the mens wardrobe at 8.45 pm then there was a female washing

    staff washing there, about 40 years maybe with dark hair.

     

    I think she was talking with a colleague in there, it was probably the other washing-

    woman.

    I was working out on the tread-mill by the reception untill a bit before 8.45 pm, and

    then I saw the washing-staff walking around in the reception-area at around 8.40 pm.

     

    And one of the washing-staff looked quite young, maybe 16-17 years.

    I think it must have been her that the washing-woman with dark hair spoke with in

    the mens wardrobe at 8.45.

     

    I don't think there should be that young female washing staff in the mens wardrobe

    at 8.45, when the gym closes at 9.00pm.

     

    It has happened once earlier as well that there were female washing staff in the

    mens wardrobe at around 8.45, and I just think that this isnt right.

     

    I think that both the staff in the gym and the washing staff should understand by

    themselves that the female washing staff shouldnt start to wash in the mens

    wardrobe untill after the closing hours at 9 pm, so thats why I havent complained

    about this to the staff in the gym or the washing staff.

    I think that it should be unecessary for me to tell this to them, I think they should

    have understood this by themselves.

     

    And Im not really sure whos in charge there in the evenings eighter.

     

    There has also been other incidents at the gym that I have thought to complain

    about, but I havent untill now.

    But with the washing-staff in the mens wardrobe again today at 8.45 pm, was

    a bit like the final drop, so since Im not really sure whos in charge there in the

    evening I thought that I could send you an email about this.

    And also since one of the washing women was so young, it makes me a bit

    worried about whats going on in the gym, when they put a washing woman/

    girl that looked like she was maybe 16 or 17 in the mens wardrobe at 8.45pm,

    so therefore I thought I should really just write the email now, because that this

    is a bit unacceptable for a gym thats run by the Council.

     

    I know its a bit late to send emails at this hour, but it thought that since I think

    that this way of organising the washing-routines in the gym is a bit unaceptable,

    I thought that if I sent the email about this right after I got back from the gym,

    then there would be less possibilites that eg. someone could say that I must have

    mistaken the time etc,  since now its just a quite short time since I left the gym,

    so I reckoned that its best to send it right away, while I still have the details at

    mind so to speak. 

     

    So I hope that this is alright!

     

    Sorry that I send the email this late.

     

    Regards,


     

    Erik Ribsskog


    – Show quoted text –


     

    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Erik Ribsskog <

    eribsskog@gmail.com    >
    Date: Jun 8, 2007 3:45 PM
    Subject: Statement
    To: linda.lennon@liverpool.gov.uk

     

    Hi,

     

    I refer to the phone-call earlier today, and send the statement from

    the bank about the duplicate payment with the direct-debit.

     

    Pleare just contact me if there is anything else I should have remembered.

     

    Hope that this is alright!

     

    Regards,


     

    Erik Ribsskog

     

    So my questions regarding this is:

     

    1. How come that there are washing women/girls in the mens changing-room at 8.45 pm,

    when the gym closes at 9 pm?

     

    2. Is the gym going to change its washing-routine, so that the washing women/girls dont

    start to wash the mens changing-room untill after the gym is closed. (Because like I explained

    in the e-mail to Linda Lennon, this with the washing women in the mens changing-room has

    also happened earlier at the Millenium gym, but I've never seen it in other gyms).

     

     

    Problems with direct-debit processing errors/duplicate payments:

     

    Also, I have been in contact with Lesley Southern, about some problems regarding processing

    errors/duplicate direct debits from the gym.

     

    I explained to him that I would also bring up some the issues regarding this with you, so I think

    its alright if I also copy the contents of that e-mail:

     

     

     

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    Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com> 

     

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     Jul 10 (2 days ago) 

     

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    "Southern, Lesley" <Lesley.Southern@liverpool.gov.uk>

     

     

    date

     

    Jul 10, 2007 6:18 PM

     

     

    subject

     

    Re: Earlier e-mails

     

     

    mailed-by

     

     


    Hi,

     

    thank you very much for your answer.

     

    I think it was very fine that you had the time to answer me, and I also think that it was very

    fine that you have taken off my arrears due to the amount of time/inconvinience I have had

    due to this.

     

    But since there were still some things I was wondering about, I thought I could try to send

    you an enquiery about this, to try to maybe found out about this.

     

    I've written an explanation below, as comments on your e-mail, since I thought it was easier

    to explain/answer this way.

     

    To summarize my questions:

     

    1. Shouldn't the gym have asked me first if they wanted to withdraw an extra payment (that they

    had no mandate for) from my account in June?

     

    2. How come that there were still two payment-requests from the gym waiting to be withdrawn

    from my account on 27/6, when firstly, the gym only have a mandate to withdraw one monthly

    payment from my account. Secondly, I had agreed with the staff at the gym, that I would pay the

    arrears when I recieved the swith-bonus from the bank. And thirdly, I had sent Linda Lennon,

    Administration Manager at the Council an e-mail about this problem on 8/6, with a copy of the

    statement from the bank, showing that there was a problem with the gym charging me duplicate

    payments from my account for the month of June?

     

    3. How come that the gym still wanted to withdraw a (duplicate) payment from my account for the

    month of July, when the gym was closed for refurbishment for six weeks from 25/6?

     

    I'm also going to contact the Duty Officer at the gym regarding why the gyms members weren't

    informed about the six weeks closure of the gym and more. So it might be that I'll also ask him

    about some of the same questions. (Like about why the gym still wanted to charge me even

    if they were going to be closed etc.)

     

    I hope you have the time to answer me about this questions, since I thought some of these things

    were a bit strange, so it would be nice to be informed about this.

    So I hope that you bear over with me if I'm asking many questions!

     

    Thank you very much in advance!

     

    Yours sincerely,

     

    Erik Ribsskog


     

     

     

     

     

    On 7/3/07, Southern, Lesley <Lesley.Southern@liverpool.gov.uk

    > wrote:

    Erik

     

    Your enquiry regarding your direct debit payments has been passed onto myself for further investigation.

     

    Unfortunately we cannot refund a payment to a member that has outstanding arrears, this is for audit purposes as we are required to provide details of all miscellaneous payments made to our members.

     

    The action we have taken to date is to take your 1 month overpayment as your cancellation fee (which is normally 2 months) and we have taken your arrears off your membership record for the inconvenience caused as a result of the error.


    – Regarding the overpayment, it wasn't actually an overpayment, because when the bank saw that it had been a

    process error/duplicate payment from the gym, then they transferred the duplicate payment back as a

    'interbranch payment' on 6/6.

     

    (Secondly, I think that I shouldn't recieve a cancellation fee, when the gym suddently closes for 6 weeks

    for refurbishment. I think that then the gym should have first sent its members a letter about this, put

    up a poster at the gym about this, and also not charged its members for the month that they are closed,

    but I have to contact the Duty Officer at the gym about something else, so I'll bring this up with him.)

     

     

    I have checked the Direct Debit report and it seems that the overpayment dates back to a missed January payment which has been allocated to your account on 30

    th May.  I will need to speak to our Direct Debit team to determine why a payment for January has been included in June's Direct Debit report.

    I've been speaking with the staff (including the Manager) at the gym several times about the arrears, and we agreed that I would

    pay the arrears later, when I recieved some money I was expecting (a switch-bonus from the bank).

     

    This was agreed with Craig at the gym, when we set up the direct-debit agreement in May.

     

    I spoke with Craig about this on 1/6 as well, since I hadn't recieved the switch-bonus yet, and then I was informed

    that the arrear was £70.50, and we agreed that I would pay this when I recieved the money from the bank.


     

    So my point is, that they should have told me first if they wanted to withdraw an extra payment from my account

    on 1/6, so that I could have planned this in advance.

     

    Also, this (RBS) bank account was set up in May, so I don't really understand how a missed direct-debit

    payment to my old (Barclays) account in Januray, could suddently appear on my RBS-account in June?

     

    It seems a bit strange to me that this could happen, when I also had agreed several times with the staff

    at the gym (in the month of March and then monthly), that I would pay the running bills, and that I'd pay the

    arrears when I recieved the switch-bonus from RBS.

     

    Also I had been told by the staff at the gym, that there was no hurry at all with the arrears, as long as I

    paid the running bills.

     

    – Also the bank told me when I called them in the beginning of June, that the gym wasn't allowed to

    withdraw more than one payment a month from my account, since they only had one mandate.

     

    – Also, when I called the gym on 26/6, to ask if they were open on 26/6, (since they were closed for

    no apparent reason on 25/6), then I was told that the gym was closed for refurbishment for six weeks.

     

    I then thought that it wasn't right that the gym should charge me for the month of July, when they were

    closed. (I also thought they should have informed the members about the six weeks closure). So due

    to this, I called my bank (the RBS customer-support line) on 27/6 to cancel the direct-debit.

    I was then told that there were still two direct-debits from the gym on my account, both with the same,

    reference-number (LIFE 800 1561).

     

    – So I was wondering, how come that there were still two payment-requests from the gym waiting to

    be withdrawn on my account on 27/6, when firstly, the gym only have a mandate to withdraw one

    monthly payment from my account. Secondly, I had agreed with the staff at the gym, that I would

    pay the arrears when I recieved the swith-bonus from the bank, and thirdly, I had sent Linda Lennon,

    Administration Manager at the Council an e-mail about this problem on 8/6, with a copy of the

    statement from the bank, showing that there was a problem with the gym charging me duplicate

    payments from my account?


     

     

     

    Your account has now been set to expired and no payment was requested in July.

     


    Well, there were actually two payments requested in July (see above

    So my questions regarding this is:

     

    3. Shouldn't the gym have asked me first if they wanted to withdraw an extra payment (that they

    had no mandate for) from my account in June?

     

    4. How come that there were still two payment-requests from the gym waiting to be withdrawn

    from my account on 27/6, when firstly, the gym only have a mandate to withdraw one monthly

    payment from my account. Secondly, I had agreed with the staff at the gym, that I would pay the

    arrears when I recieved the swith-bonus from the bank. And thirdly, I had sent Linda Lennon,

    Administration Manager at the Council an e-mail about this problem on 8/6, with a copy of the

    statement from the bank, showing that there was a problem with the gym charging me duplicate

    payments from my account for the month of June?

     

     

    Problems around the closure of the gym for six weeks from 25/6 due to refurbishment:

     

    5. How come that the gym still wanted to withdraw a (duplicate) payment from my account for the

    month of July, when the gym was closed for refurbishment for six weeks from 25/6?

     

    6. How come that there were no letters sent to the members of the gym regarding the closure

    of the gym for six weeks from 25/6 due to refurbishment?

     

    7. How come that there were no poster in the gym informing the users of the gym that the gym

    would be closed for six weeks from 25/6 due to refurbishment?

     

    8. How come that there was only a makeshift sign on the entrance-door to the millenium-

    building saying 'gym closed', and nothing more when I went there to work out on the

    evening on 25/6. (Shouldn't it have been a proper sign, with information about why the

    gym was closed, how long the gym was closed for, and not just some makeshift

    sign written with an ink-marker)?

     

    9. How come that there were no information about the fact that the gym was closed, when

    I went on the lifestyles website:

     

     

    on 26/6 (When the gym had been closed since 25/5)?

     

    (I can see that it says that the gym is closed there now, but on 26/6, there was no information

    about the gym being closed at all. I went there to see if it said anything on the website on 26/6,

    since the gym was closed for no obvious reason on 25/6, but it didn't say anything about the gym

    being closed on the website, so I noted down the phone-number to the gym, and called the gym,

    and they told me that the gym was closed for six weeks due to refurbishment.)

     

    10. How come that members of the gym were charged for the whole month of June, when the gym

    was closed for refurbishment from 25/6? (Shouldn't the six days from 25/6 to 30/6 have been

    deducted from the charge?).

     

     

    Other problems at the gym:

     

    Like I wrote in my e-mail to Linda Lennon on 8/6, there had also been other, earlier incidents at

    the gym which I had thought to complain about.

     

    But like I also wrote, it wasn't always easy to know who it was that was in charge there after the

    manager had gone home, and him I only spoke with once, since I most often worked out in the

    evening.

     

    And that the incident with the washing girls/women in the mens changing room again within the

    opening hours was the last drop, so to speak.

     

    And then it was easier for me to complain, because then I had her e-mail address from before,

    since I had sent her a copy of the statement from the bank, to document the problems with

    the duplicate direct debit/processing error from the gym.

     

    So then it was easier for me to complain.

     

    I'm going to try explain a bit more about the earlier incidents:

     

    Problems with locker:

     

    On 26/4, it says in my note-book, I was at the gym.

     

    I work with office-work, so I try to work out quite often, and I usually use different lockers at the

    gym, depending on which locker of the lockers that are free etc.

     

    And when one work out 3-5 days a week for some time, and you have a different locker each time,

    then it could be that one forgets exactly which locker one uses this particular time.

     

    And, since only about half of the key-rings with the keys for the lockers had tag-numbers on them,

    this could be a bit confusing.

     

    So when I was finished with the work-out, and I went to the area of the changing-room where my

    locker was, then the locker wouldn't open.

     

    Like I wrote, I use different lockers each time, depending on which lockers that are free, where in

    the changing-room it is less crowded etc.

     

    So it isn't that easy to be exactly sure if it is that particular locker, especially since the key-ring

    to the locker (like about half of the other key-rings, i noticed later), lacked a number-tag on it,

    to specify which locker it belonged to.

     

    I usually dont keep things like my wallet etc. in the locker, since its a big gym, always many

    people there, and I would get a lot of inconvienience if something happened to my wallet etc.,

    so I didn't keep the most 'valuble' things in the locker.

     

    I use to keep my note-book with my wallet, so I had my note-book still on me, and I thought it

    was a bit embarresing going to the reception explaining that I coultn't find my locker, so I decided

    to be 100% sure before I did that.

    So, I just wrote down the numbers of all the lockers in my note-book, and then I checked each

    and every locker, and crossed the number for that locker in my note-book.

    I made sure to check each lock thoroughly.

     

    So, when I had checked each lock in the changing-room, and the key didn't fit in any of them,

    then I went to the reception to explain.

     

    It was still quite embarresing, but at least now I had the note-book to show that I had tryed all

    of the locks.

     

    There were about 5 or 6 people sitting in the reception, and the woman in charge, told Neil to

    help me with this.

     

    I explained to Neil that maybe the smartest thing for me would be to return at closing-time,

    when all the other users of the gym had gone home, then it would only be one locker left

    to check.

     

    I was holding my note-book still, so I wrote down that Neil started acting a bit like a sergeant

    in the army, knocking his fist into the side of the enterance to the changing-room and screaming

    /comanding: 'come here'.

     

    I thought this behaviour was a bit peculiar, but I went after him into the changing-room, and then

    he starting to ask if I had been having a few beers. (Since I couldnt remember the number for

    the locker).

     

    I asked him what his name was, and wrote it down.

     

    Then I showed him that I had tryed all the lockers, and that noone worked, and that there wasnt

    any number-tag on the key-chain for the locker.

     

    He asked me which locker I thought it was, and I told him that I thought it was the number 156

    one. (It says in my note-book).

     

    So he asked me to give him the key, so that he could try the number 156 locker and the

    surrounding lockers.

     

    But he couldnt manage to open any of them, so he went to find the master-key.

     

    This took a bit of time, but he returned and then opened the locker with the new key.

     

    It was locker 156, and I showed him in my note-book that I had already tryed to open

    locker 156 with the key, because I had crossed out that number in the note-book.

     

    Neil said that 'the locks often get stuck.', I can see from my note-book.

     

    I found a new locker (since I didnt have the key any longer to the 156 one), and Neil

    reminded me to remember the key-number.

     

    I told him that I thought that there should be key-tags on the key-rings for the lockers.

     

    Also, the next time I went to the gym, the woman in charge reminded me that I should

    remember the key-number, and then I told the woman in charge that I thought that

    there should be key-tags on the key-rings. (But there still wasnt done anything

    with this problem, and about half of the key-rings were still missing a key-tag

    for the remainder of the time I was working out at the gym).

     

    So my questions regarding this is:

     

    11. How come there are so much problems with the locks getting stuck in the lockers?

    I mean, surely the gym bought new lockers when they opened? And its the Millennium

    building gym, so the building and the gym can't be that old? (Did someone buy used

    lockers for the gym when it opened)?

     

    12. How come the gym doesn't use oil in the locks for the lockers, if it, like Neil said,

    is a problem with the 'locks often get stuck'?

     

    13: And why didn't the gym put key-tags on the lockers, when about half of the key-

    tags were missing, and I had spoken about this problem with both Neil and the woman

    who was in charge there on the day this incident ocured, I think it was on 26/4?

     

     

    Problems with the washing of the machines:

     

    When I wrote the e-mail about the problem with the washing women/girls in the

    mens changing-room in the opening hours, then it came to mind that maybe

    the washing-should should rather wash the machines, and then wait untill

    the gym has closed, before they washed the changing-rooms.

     

    The reason I thought about this, is because I remembered an incident from when

    I was working out, I think it must have been in April or May.

    Then I was working out at the thread-mill, and this was I seem to remember hours

    before closing-time.

     

    There were a couple of washing-ladys there, even if it was still a few hours until

    closing-time.

     

    They were just walking around a bit, seemingly not certain on the routine.

     

    But then one of the washing ladies started to wash the stepping-machine in front

    of me. But what I thought was a bit strange, was that she only washed the tip of

    one of the handles of the stepping machine, and then nothing else. This she did

    twice with a few minuttes inbetween.

     

    Other than that, I couldn't see that eighter she or her collegue washed any of the

    other machines. (They looked a bit lost there, walking around with their buckets

    while the gym was still quite crowded, since it was hours till closing-time.)

     

    My question regarding this is:

    14: Shouldn't the washing-staff put up a sign near the machines when they wash

    them during the time of which the gym is open? Couldn't people get hurt if

    they work out on machines that are slippery from being washed? I seem to

    remember from other places I've been working etc., that yellow plastic signs

    are being put on the floor etc., saying that one have to be careful since its

    newly washed, so shouldn't the washing staff in the gym also do this when

    they clean the machines within the opening hours?

     

     

    Problems with staff:

     

    Like I've written, there have been some incedents before that I have wondered

    if I should complain about, but I'm not always sure whos in charge there, so

    this makes it a bit more tricky to complain, and I've also had the problem

    with the arrears on my membership, and the manager let me work out

    there and pay the arrears later, so there was a threshold before I would

    complain.

     

    But I wrote down in my note-book a couple of things I reacted on anyway.

     

    I was wondering a bit what was going on there, e.g. on 24/5 Craig and

    a blond girl sits in the reception.

     

    Only Craig logs in the members, even if there is a long queue. The girl

    is only watching. (I think maybe she is his girlfriend, since I noticed

    them sitting very close once when I wanted to log in).

     

    So I was wondering, if there is a long queue, surely both of them could

    log in the users of the gym, so that they wouldn't have to wait in a line,

    like if some of the customers are there to sign up for a membership,

    then still everyone have to wait in one line, even if there are more

    staff at work.

    So then I was wondering what is the girl doing there, if she cant log in

    the customers, and is only sitting watching.

     

    And I think she had been working there a while then, so I dont think

    she was on training.

     

    So this seemed a bit strange to me, so I thought I could mention it

    while Im writing this e-mail anyway.

     

    Also, I remember, that one Friday I was working out there, then they

    annonced the closing of the gym like this:

     

    'The gym will be closing in 60 minutes', 'The gym will be closing in

    45 minutes', 'The gym will be closing in 30 minutes', 'The gym will

    be closing in 15 minutes'.

    I think it was the same girl, but it seemed like it was Craig that told

    her to say it.

     

    Normally they only say 'The gym will be closing in 20 minuttes', or

    something like this, so I thought I could mention this as well, even

    if its maybe not so important what they say on the calling-system

    in the Friday evenings? Anyway, I thought I could mention it while

    I was writing the e-mail anyway.

     

    My question to this is:

     

    15. How come the staff only sits watching while the customers are

    standing in line?

     

    16. Shouldn't the staff have name-tags, where it said name and title,

    so that it would be easier for the users of the gym to know who to

    speak with regarding different problems. (So that they know who

    are in charge)?

     

    (For instance, on the day when there were washing girls/women in

    the mens changing room, and they must have been there from

    around 8.40 pm. or earlier, because I went in there on 8.45 pm,

    and then they were well into their routine it looked like, before I

    turned and went home.

     

    On that day (8/6), the staff that were working around closing-time,

    was Neil, a young girl that wears high-healed shoes and blouse,

    and a man around 40 years maybe that I think could maybe is the

    girls father, because I saw him standing very close to the girl once.

     

    I thought maybe the girl was in a kind of responsible position there,

    since she wear office-clothes, but the guy in his forthies I reckon

    also could be in charge there, since hes the oldest etc., and also

    Neil I reckoned could have been in charge, since he has access

    to the master-keys etc.

     

    So its a bit embarrasing asking about whos in charge, because

    you wouldn't want to offend anyone, with asking whos in charge,

    and then its actually that person who is in charge.

     

    I don't say that it is impossible for the customers of the gym to

    find out whose in charge, but I thought that it could maybe add

    to the general level of customer-service at the gym if the staff

    was wearing name-tags.

     

    I wrote down a note of who that was working that day, so that

    I would know later, since I wrote the e-mail that day with the

    complaint about the washing-staff in the chaning-room, so I

    thought I'd write it down, in case it became an issue.)

     

    17. Should they really anounce that the gym is closing in 60 minutes,

    and that the gym is closing in 45 minutes etc.?

     

     

     

    Problems with direct-debit agreement on 13/12/06:

     

    While I was looking for some notes before I started writing this

    e-mail now, I found a letter from the gym from 8/12/06.

     

    I'll just write what it says:

     

    'Dear Mr. Ribsskog,

     

    RE: Lifestyles Membership No: LDD121346

     

    As a valued Lifestyles member, I was surprised to find that your monthly

    Lifestyles subscription of £23.50 due earlier this month has not been paid.

     

    You may be aware of this already and have made payment at the

    Lifestyles centre, if so, please accept my apologies.

     

    If you have not paid these arrears, I would ask that you pay them at your

    earliest convienience by contacting your nearest Lifestyles Centre. Your

    membership account can be updated at any of the centres and you can

    pay either by cash, cheque, credit or debit card.

     

    Please contact Liverpool Direct on 0151 233 3007 for the number of your

    nearest Lifestye centre.

     

    I regret that until any arrears have been paid, standard admission

    charges will apply and you will lose the benefits of your membership.

     

    Yours feithfully

     

    Steve Kneale

     

    Business Development Manager'.

     

     

     

    (I write quite fast, so I thought I could just write it down, so that it would be

    easier to understand what I meant.)

     

    There were some problems regarding me switching from a Barclays Cashcard

    account to a Barclays Current-account at around the end of November/beginning

    of December 2006.

     

    The problem was that my pay from work was switched to the new current-account,

    whereas the direct-debits remained connected to the old account.

     

    I was in a busy period with work etc., so I didnt think about this problem before I

    got a letter from the bank about it.

    So I went to the bank, and transfered all my direct-debits from my old Barlays

    cashcard account, and to my new Barclays current/visa account.

    The clerk in the bank did this for me, it was a quite routine operation it seemed

    to me.

     

    Exept for the Lifestyles direct-debit for some reason.

    This direct-debit had been canceled right away, in a way so that the clerk in the

    bank couldnt transfer it to the new account.

     

    And when I went to the gym on 13/12, I had to pay the charge for Decemeber at

    the gym, and it wasn't possible for me to just switch the existing direct-debit

    agreement from my old Barlays Cashcard account to my new Barclays Current

    account, but I had to fill out a new form all over again to set up the new

    direct debit agreement on my new account.

     

    I accept that it was my fault with forgetting to transfer the direct-debit to the

    new account (It was some comunication-problem at work, with me informing

    work that I had got a new bank-account, but with work not giving me any

    feedback on that they had changed my account information in the payment

    system).

     

    But because of the later problem with the direct debits now in June, I thought

    I could ask a couple of questions regarding this as well, while I'm at it, so to

    speak.

     

    18: How come that the gym canceled my direct-debit between 1/12 and 8/12,

    and sent me a letter on 8/12, where it said that I had to go to the gym and

    pay in cash, when I had never had any payment problems with the gym before 

    this, and all the other direct-debits were possible to switch (for the clerk at

    the bank to my new account), except the gyms direct-debit? Shouldn't the

    gym have tryed to collect the payment from my account again 7-14 days

    later, like the clerk in the bank told me that the other companies did?

     

    19: Why did I have to write my signature on, and fill out a new form all over

    again on 13/12, for a new direct-debit. Didn't the gym have all my information

    from before, have one got to fill out and sign a new form just because one

    gets a new account-number, when one are still using the same bank?

     

    (The signature of the women I spoke with on the gym on 13/12/06, looks

    like it says Probert as a last name by the way, in case that makes it

    any easier to find out about this.

     

    I remember I thought it was strange that I had to fill out the form all over

    again, just because of the problem of the one payment due to the

    problems with changing the direct-debits and my pay from work to

    the new account, in a coordinated way.

     

    Because it didn't seem to be a similiar problem with the other companies

    that also had direct-debits on my account, so therefore I remember that

    I thought that this was a bit strange.

    And now, due to the other problems with the direct-debits again, now in

    June, I thought I'd just ask about the earlier problems, since they came

    to mind now.

     

    also this:

     

    How come I got a letter sent 8 days after the missed payment in December,

    where as later, in January, February and March (with the new direct-debit set

    up on 13/12), I didn't get a letter at all.

     

    It went on for two or three months, it must have been, before someone reminded

    me that there were arrears on my membership.

     

    I was quite busy in this time-periode, even if I was unemployed, so I didn't

    have so much money then, so I should maybe have spoken with the staff about

    this myself, but I much problems with paying my rent etc., and I was glad to

    have the oppertunity to work-out, since it was a bit stressing not having a

    job, and it helped to work-out to relax from the stress.

     

    And also, the staff gave different information to me regarding the arrears. The

    girl wearing office-wear, and who worked on 8/6, for instance, told me on

    one occation that it wasn't a hurry paying the arrears at all. (As long as I

    paid the running bills, which I did).

     

    And other members of staff, Craig for instance, told me that I had to pay the

    arrears before a certain date, (I spoke with the manager and got an extension,

    and later I agreed with Craig that I would pay the arrears when I got first the

    loan I was promised from the bank, and later the switch-bonus I was promised

    from the bank.)

     

    So the questions regarding this:

     

    20: How come in December I get a letter for not paying after 8 days, where as

    in the new year, it goes in the region of two or three months without recieving

    a letter or reminder from the staff, even if I worked out several times a week?

     

    21: How come one member of the staff (the girl with the office-wear who worked

    on 8/6), says that there is no hurry with the arrears, where as another member

    of staff (Craig), says that I have to pay before this and this date? How is this

    really supposed to be, according to the rules?

     

    (I appriciate very much that I was allowed to work out at the gym even if I had

    arrears, so it's not because I am ungrateful that I ask about these things. It's

    just that due to the other problems, with the washing-women/girls in the changing

    room, and the problems with the continuing processing errors and duplicate

    payments with the direct debits.

     

    And also due to the problems surrounding the unanounced closure of the gym

    for six weeks due to refurbishment.

     

    Due to these problems, I thought it would be best to mention all the other

    problems while I was at it. Even if some of these problems aren't maybe

    that serious in themselves, I anyway thought that they were worth bringing

    up, because, I think, thay add to a general picture of things at the gym

    being a bit out of hand, so due to this I'm a bit concerned about whats

    really going on at the gym, and then I thought it would be best to mentioned

    all the things that came to mind, because these things, even if it isn't clear

    to me here and now that there for certain is a problem conected with them,

    it could be a problem, so I thought it would be the most responsible thing

    to do, to also add the latter part of the problems, the ones that are mentioned

    under the title 'other problems'.

     

    So even if it was the first five or ten questions that made me go to the step

    of complaining. Even so, I hope you have the oppertunity to answer me about

    the last part of the questions as well.

     

    Sorry again that this e-mail got a bit delayed. I know I said I'd send it no latter

    than Wednesday, but I reckon that as long as I send it before the office hours

    on Thursday, then it hopefully should be ok.

     

    I'll also forward this e-mail to Linda Lennon and Lesley Southern, since I've been

    copying the e-mails I've sent to them earlier, in this e-mail now. 

     

    Hope that this is alright, and that you bear over with me if some of the last questions

    wasn't as well stated as they should have been, due to time problems etc.

     

    Hope that this is alright!

     

    Yours sincerely,

     

    Erik Ribsskog

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:22 PM





    To:

    st3 york <st3york@lgo.org.uk>



    Hi,

     

    I refer to your letter today, where you say that the Council have dealt with the problems, and that you have closed the complaint.

    Your write, that you 'appreciate your strengt of feeling on this matter'.

    That's right, I get very angry, by this corruption in government, which I think is an 'uting', like we call it in Norway.

    It's something that shouldn't be there.

    And you seem to be involved yourself.

     

    How can you argue, that the Council have dealt with this, when they haven't done anything at all.

    This is typical, on how Brits are fucking with foreign citizens living in this country, I think.

     

    So if it wasn't so, that I can't live in Norway, I would have moved back!

     

    Yours sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog






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    Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 2:52 AM





    To:

    padraig@indexoncensorship.org



    Hi,

     

    I can't see that I've recieved an answer to this e-mail yet, that's why I'm sending it again.


    Hope this is alright!

    Yours sincerely,

     

    Erik Ribsskog

    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>
    Date: Jun 11, 2008 3:19 PM

    Subject: Fwd: FW: Problems with Censorship
    To: padraig@indexoncensorship.org

     


    Hi,

     

    I'm refering to the phone-call just now, regarding the post about the problems on the Liverpool

    City Center gym (probably some problems with mob. etc), last year, that was deleted, from the

    Daily Post message-board, for no reason at all, last year.

     

    I don't think this is in-line with freedom of speach, at all, so that's why I thought I'd contact you

    regarding this.

    Hope this is alright!

    Yours sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog

    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Rohan Jayasekera <rohan@indexoncensorship.org>

    Date: Aug 29, 2007 8:59 AM
    Subject: FW: Problems with Censorship
    To: eribsskog@gmail.com
    Cc: Jo Glanville <jo@indexoncensorship.org>

     


    Hi

     

    Sorry to take so long to reply, I have been away. I have forwarded your message to the editor, Jo Glanville and she will be in touch if she can help.

     

    Best regards,

     

     

    Rohan Jayasekera

    Associate Editor

    Index on Censorship

    6-8 Amwell Street

    London EC1R 1UQ

    United Kingdom

     

    T:         +44 20 7278 2313

    E:         rohan@indexoncensorship.org

    W:        www.indexonline.org

     

     



    From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

    Sent: 28 August 2007 14:55
    To: Rohan Jayasekera
    Subject: Fwd: Problems with Censorship


     

    Hi,

     

    I'm not sure if I'm sending this to the right e-mail address, but I'm trying to forward

    this e-mail once more, since I can't see that I've recieved an answer to it yet.


    Sorry if I'm sending it to the wrong address!

     

    Yours sincerely,

     

    Erik Ribsskog

    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>

    Date: Aug 14, 2007 4:04 PM
    Subject: Problems with Censorship
    To: rohan@indexoncensorship.org

     

    Hi,

     

    I have some problems regarding censorship on the Daily Post Message-board that I'm looking

    for advice on how to deal with.

     

    I think censorship issues are important issues, and also I also think that due to the nature of the

    problems that the post deals with, it's regarding problems at the Counil-run gym in Victoria St.

    in Liverpool. I think these problems also concerns the other users of the gym, and the people who

    are paying tax to the Council.

     

    Yet, I find that these issues are being censored on the Daily Post Message Board (They deleted

    the thread about these problems, and banned my user-name), without giving any information to me,

    on e-mail or otherwise, regarding why they did this.

     

    And it doesn't seem to me that the Council are willing to discuss these problems in public.

     

    I posted about the problems on the message-board, and explained that I thought the Council

    then should comment on these problems in public.

     

    But the Council didn't want to answer in public, they wrote that they didn't understand what

    I meant in my e-mail (the e-mail in which I explained about this), and refused to make a

    public answer.

     

    I've also contacted the Local Government Ombudsman regarding this, but they have so far

    just said that they think the Council should have had more time to deal with the complaint.

    Even if it says on the Liverpool City Council website, that according to the Council complaint-

    procedure, the Council should deal with complaints within two weeks.

     

    Yet, when I sent this matter to the Ombudsman, I had waited almost four weeks without

    getting any reply from the Council, yet the ombudsman says that they think the Council

    should have had more time to answer the complaint.

     

    And the next day, I find that the posts regarding these problems are deleted from the Daily

    Post's message-board, without any explanation being given to me regarding the reason for

    them deleting the posts.

     

    My concern is that I think these issues (about the problems at the Council-gym), also concerns

    the other users of the gym, and the people who are paying tax to the council.


    Thats why I'm contacting you, because I hoped it would be possible for you to give me some

    advice regarding how I should go forward to bring up these issues in public, without this being

    stopped with the help of censorship.

     

    So I hope very much that it would be possible for you to help me with advice regarding this,

    since I'm not used to dealing with issues like these.

     

    I'm going to paste the thread from this message-board at the end of this e-mail, and I'm also

    going to forward you the e-mail from the Council from yesterday, where they say that they

    don't understand what I mean in my 'lenghty' e-mail from Friday, and that they don't intend

    to deal with these problems, the way I suggested, in public. (Since I think these are problems

    that concerns the other users of the gym and also the people paying their council-tax).

     

    Hope that this is alright!

     

    Yours sincerely,


    Erik Ribsskog

     

     

     

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     Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:26 am    Post subject: Problems at the Council-run Lifestyles gym in Victoria St.   

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    Hi,

    I'm a Norwegian that has been living in this town for a couple of years.

    I've written a complaint about some problems at the Lifestyles gym in Victoria Street, which I have been sending to the Duty Officer at the gym, and also forwarded to two other representatives working for the Council.

    It's almost two weeks since I sent the complaint now, but I still haven't recieved any answer.

    So I thought that since this is a council-run gym, then it should be ok to discuss these things here. Since I reckon that the things that are going on at the council-run gym also concerns the other users of the gym, and also the people who are paying tax to the council:

    from Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com> hide details Jul 12

    to Richard.Little@liverpool.gov.uk
    cc
    "Lennon, Linda" < linda.lennon@liverpool.gov.uk >,

    "Southern, Lesley" <Lesley.Southern@liverpool.gov.uk>
    date Jul 12, 2007 5:06 AM

    subject Complaint
    mailed-by gmail.com

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    Hi,

    I'm refering to phone-call last week (4/7). I know I said I'd send this e-mail no
    later than Wednesday, but I didn't get to start on it untill late on Wednesday,

    so it's probably going to be Thursday untill I get to actually send the e-mail,
    so sorry about that!


    Problems with washing women/girls in the mens changing-room during opening hours:

    The first thing I wondered about, was regarding the problems described in
    the e-mail I sent to Linda Lennon on 8/6, about the washing girl/women in

    the mens changing-room.

    I'll copy the text from that e-mail into this e-mail, since I have some questions
    regarding that episode:

    to linda.lennon@liverpool.gov.uk

    date Jun 8, 2007 10:58 PM
    subject Fwd: Statement
    mailed-by gmail.com

    Hi,

    I just got back from the gym, it closed at 9 pm.

    I just had to eat a bit and relax a bit after the work-out, or else I would have sent the
    email at once.

    Because what I'm wondering about with the gym, is:

    Is it really right that there should be female washing-staf in the mens wardrobe
    at 8.45 pm, when the gym closes at 9pm?

    This happened again today, and it has also happened once before.

    I used to workout a bit when I lived in Oslo and Sunderland as well, but they never
    used to start washing the wardrobe until after the closing hours.

    So I think that since the gym is run by the Council, I think that they shouldn't
    have the washing-routines that includes female staff starting to wash in the

    mens wardrobe as early as 8.45 pm.

    I think they should wait until after closing-hours to wash the mens wardrobe,
    and that if they have to wash, then they could maybe instead wash the machines

    in the gym or something else before the gym is closed.

    When I went into the mens wardrobe at 8.45 pm then there was a female washing
    staff washing there, about 40 years maybe with dark hair.

    I think she was talking with a colleague in there, it was probably the other washing-
    woman.

    I was working out on the tread-mill by the reception untill a bit before 8.45 pm, and
    then I saw the washing-staff walking around in the reception-area at around 8.40 pm.

    And one of the washing-staff looked quite young, maybe 16-17 years.

    I think it must have been her that the washing-woman with dark hair spoke with in
    the mens wardrobe at 8.45.

    I don't think there should be that young female washing staff in the mens wardrobe
    at 8.45, when the gym closes at 9.00pm.

    It has happened once earlier as well that there were female washing staff in the
    mens wardrobe at around 8.45, and I just think that this isnt right.

    I think that both the staff in the gym and the washing staff should understand by
    themselves that the female washing staff shouldnt start to wash in the mens

    wardrobe untill after the closing hours at 9 pm, so thats why I havent complained
    about this to the staff in the gym or the washing staff.

    I think that it should be unecessary for me to tell this to them, I think they should
    have understood this by themselves.

    And Im not really sure whos in charge there in the evenings eighter.

    There has also been other incidents at the gym that I have thought to complain
    about, but I havent untill now.

    But with the washing-staff in the mens wardrobe again today at 8.45 pm, was
    a bit like the final drop, so since Im not really sure whos in charge there in the

    evening I thought that I could send you an email about this.

    And also since one of the washing women was so young, it makes me a bit
    worried about whats going on in the gym, when they put a washing woman/

    girl that looked like she was maybe 16 or 17 in the mens wardrobe at 8.45pm,
    so therefore I thought I should really just write the email now, because that this
    is a bit unacceptable for a gym thats run by the Council.

    I know its a bit late to send emails at this hour, but it thought that since I think
    that this way of organising the washing-routines in the gym is a bit unaceptable,

    I thought that if I sent the email about this right after I got back from the gym,
    then there would be less possibilites that eg. someone could say that I must have
    mistaken the time etc, since now its just a quite short time since I left the gym,

    so I reckoned that its best to send it right away, while I still have the details at
    mind so to speak.

    So I hope that this is alright!

    Sorry that I send the email this late.

    Regards,

    Erik Ribsskog
    – Show quoted text –


    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Erik Ribsskog < eribsskog@gmail.com>

    Date: Jun 8, 2007 3:45 PM
    Subject: Statement
    To: linda.lennon@liverpool.gov.uk


    Hi,

    I refer to the phone-call earlier today, and send the statement from
    the bank about the duplicate payment with the direct-debit.

    Pleare just contact me if there is anything else I should have remembered.

    Hope that this is alright!

    Regards,

    Erik Ribsskog

     


    So my questions regarding this is:

    1. How come that there are washing women/girls in the mens changing-room at 8.45 pm,
    when the gym closes at 9 pm?

    2. Is the gym going to change its washing-routine, so that the washing women/girls dont
    start to wash the mens changing-room untill after the gym is closed. (Because like I explained

    in the e-mail to Linda Lennon, this with the washing women in the mens changing-room has
    also happened earlier at the Millenium gym, but I've never seen it in other gyms).


    Problems with direct-debit processing errors/duplicate payments:

    Also, I have been in contact with Lesley Southern, about some problems regarding processing
    errors/duplicate direct debits from the gym.

    I explained to him that I would also bring up some the issues regarding this with you, so I think
    its alright if I also copy the contents of that e-mail:

     

    from Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com> hide details Jul 10 (2 days ago)

    to "Southern, Lesley" < Lesley.Southern@liverpool.gov.uk >
    date Jul 10, 2007 6:18 PM

    subject Re: Earlier e-mails
    mailed-by gmail.com

    Hi,

    thank you very much for your answer.

    I think it was very fine that you had the time to answer me, and I also think that it was very
    fine that you have taken off my arrears due to the amount of time/inconvinience I have had

    due to this.

    But since there were still some things I was wondering about, I thought I could try to send
    you an enquiery about this, to try to maybe found out about this.

    I've written an explanation below, as comments on your e-mail, since I thought it was easier
    to explain/answer this way.

    To summarize my questions:

    1. Shouldn't the gym have asked me first if they wanted to withdraw an extra payment (that they
    had no mandate for) from my account in June?

    2. How come that there were still two payment-requests from the gym waiting to be withdrawn
    from my account on 27/6, when firstly, the gym only have a mandate to withdraw one monthly

    payment from my account. Secondly, I had agreed with the staff at the gym, that I would pay the
    arrears when I recieved the swith-bonus from the bank. And thirdly, I had sent Linda Lennon,
    Administration Manager at the Council an e-mail about this problem on 8/6, with a copy of the

    statement from the bank, showing that there was a problem with the gym charging me duplicate
    payments from my account for the month of June?

    3. How come that the gym still wanted to withdraw a (duplicate) payment from my account for the
    month of July, when the gym was closed for refurbishment for six weeks from 25/6?

    I'm also going to contact the Duty Officer at the gym regarding why the gyms members weren't
    informed about the six weeks closure of the gym and more. So it might be that I'll also ask him

    about some of the same questions. (Like about why the gym still wanted to charge me even
    if they were going to be closed etc.)

    I hope you have the time to answer me about this questions, since I thought some of these things
    were a bit strange, so it would be nice to be informed about this.

    So I hope that you bear over with me if I'm asking many questions!

    Thank you very much in advance!

    Yours sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog

     

     


    On 7/3/07, Southern, Lesley <Lesley.Southern@liverpool.gov.uk > wrote:

    Erik

    Your enquiry regarding your direct debit payments has been passed onto myself for further investigation.

    Unfortunately we cannot refund a payment to a member that has outstanding arrears, this is for audit purposes as we are required to provide details of all miscellaneous payments made to our members.

    The action we have taken to date is to take your 1 month overpayment as your cancellation fee (which is normally 2 months) and we have taken your arrears off your membership record for the inconvenience caused as a result of the error.

    – Regarding the overpayment, it wasn't actually an overpayment, because when the bank saw that it had been a
    process error/duplicate payment from the gym, then they transferred the duplicate payment back as a

    'interbranch payment' on 6/6.

    (Secondly, I think that I shouldn't recieve a cancellation fee, when the gym suddently closes for 6 weeks
    for refurbishment. I think that then the gym should have first sent its members a letter about this, put

    up a poster at the gym about this, and also not charged its members for the month that they are closed,
    but I have to contact the Duty Officer at the gym about something else, so I'll bring this up with him.)


    I have checked the Direct Debit report and it seems that the overpayment dates back to a missed January payment which has been allocated to your account on 30 th May. I will need to speak to our Direct Debit team to determine why a payment for January has been included in June's Direct Debit report.

    I've been speaking with the staff (including the Manager) at the gym several times about the arrears, and we agreed that I would
    pay the arrears later, when I recieved some money I was expecting (a switch-bonus from the bank).

    This was agreed with Craig at the gym, when we set up the direct-debit agreement in May.

    I spoke with Craig about this on 1/6 as well, since I hadn't recieved the switch-bonus yet, and then I was informed
    that the arrear was £70.50, and we agreed that I would pay this when I recieved the money from the bank.

    So my point is, that they should have told me first if they wanted to withdraw an extra payment from my account
    on 1/6, so that I could have planned this in advance.

    Also, this (RBS) bank account was set up in May, so I don't really understand how a missed direct-debit
    payment to my old (Barclays) account in Januray, could suddently appear on my RBS-account in June?

    It seems a bit strange to me that this could happen, when I also had agreed several times with the staff
    at the gym (in the month of March and then monthly), that I would pay the running bills, and that I'd pay the

    arrears when I recieved the switch-bonus from RBS.

    Also I had been told by the staff at the gym, that there was no hurry at all with the arrears, as long as I
    paid the running bills.

    – Also the bank told me when I called them in the beginning of June, that the gym wasn't allowed to
    withdraw more than one payment a month from my account, since they only had one mandate.

    – Also, when I called the gym on 26/6, to ask if they were open on 26/6, (since they were closed for
    no apparent reason on 25/6), then I was told that the gym was closed for refurbishment for six weeks.

    I then thought that it wasn't right that the gym should charge me for the month of July, when they were
    closed. (I also thought they should have informed the members about the six weeks closure). So due

    to this, I called my bank (the RBS customer-support line) on 27/6 to cancel the direct-debit.

    I was then told that there were still two direct-debits from the gym on my account, both with the same,
    reference-number (LIFE 800 1561).

    – So I was wondering, how come that there were still two payment-requests from the gym waiting to
    be withdrawn on my account on 27/6, when firstly, the gym only have a mandate to withdraw one

    monthly payment from my account. Secondly, I had agreed with the staff at the gym, that I would
    pay the arrears when I recieved the swith-bonus from the bank, and thirdly, I had sent Linda Lennon,
    Administration Manager at the Council an e-mail about this problem on 8/6, with a copy of the

    statement from the bank, showing that there was a problem with the gym charging me duplicate
    payments from my account?

     

    Your account has now been set to expired and no payment was requested in July.

    Well, there were actually two payments requested in July (see above

    So my questions regarding this is:

    3. Shouldn't the gym have asked me first if they wanted to withdraw an extra payment (that they
    had no mandate for) from my account in June?

    4. How come that there were still two payment-requests from the gym waiting to be withdrawn
    from my account on 27/6, when firstly, the gym only have a mandate to withdraw one monthly

    payment from my account. Secondly, I had agreed with the staff at the gym, that I would pay the
    arrears when I recieved the swith-bonus from the bank. And thirdly, I had sent Linda Lennon,
    Administration Manager at the Council an e-mail about this problem on 8/6, with a copy of the

    statement from the bank, showing that there was a problem with the gym charging me duplicate
    payments from my account for the month of June?


    Problems around the closure of the gym for six weeks from 25/6 due to refurbishment:

    5. How come that the gym still wanted to withdraw a (duplicate) payment from my account for the
    month of July, when the gym was closed for refurbishment for six weeks from 25/6?

    6. How come that there were no letters sent to the members of the gym regarding the closure
    of the gym for six weeks from 25/6 due to refurbishment?

    7. How come that there were no poster in the gym informing the users of the gym that the gym
    would be closed for six weeks from 25/6 due to refurbishment?

    8. How come that there was only a makeshift sign on the entrance-door to the millenium-
    building saying 'gym closed', and nothing more when I went there to work out on the

    evening on 25/6. (Shouldn't it have been a proper sign, with information about why the
    gym was closed, how long the gym was closed for, and not just some makeshift
    sign written with an ink-marker)?

    9. How come that there were no information about the fact that the gym was closed, when
    I went on the lifestyles website:

    (www.liverpool.gov.uk/Leisure_and_culture/Sports/Leisure_Centres_and_Pools/Lifestyles_Millennium/index.asp )

    on 26/6 (When the gym had been closed since 25/5)?

    (I can see that it says that the gym is closed there now, but on 26/6, there was no information
    about the gym being closed at all. I went there to see if it said anything on the website on 26/6,

    since the gym was closed for no obvious reason on 25/6, but it didn't say anything about the gym
    being closed on the website, so I noted down the phone-number to the gym, and called the gym,
    and they told me that the gym was closed for six weeks due to refurbishment.)

    10. How come that members of the gym were charged for the whole month of June, when the gym
    was closed for refurbishment from 25/6? (Shouldn't the six days from 25/6 to 30/6 have been

    deducted from the charge?).


    Other problems at the gym:

    Like I wrote in my e-mail to Linda Lennon on 8/6, there had also been other, earlier incidents at
    the gym which I had thought to complain about.

    But like I also wrote, it wasn't always easy to know who it was that was in charge there after the
    manager had gone home, and him I only spoke with once, since I most often worked out in the

    evening.

    And that the incident with the washing girls/women in the mens changing room again within the
    opening hours was the last drop, so to speak.

    And then it was easier for me to complain, because then I had her e-mail address from before,
    since I had sent her a copy of the statement from the bank, to document the problems with

    the duplicate direct debit/processing error from the gym.

    So then it was easier for me to complain.

    I'm going to try explain a bit more about the earlier incidents:

    Problems with locker:

    On 26/4, it says in my note-book, I was at the gym.

    I work with office-work, so I try to work out quite often, and I usually use different lockers at the
    gym, depending on which locker of the lockers that are free etc.

    And when one work out 3-5 days a week for some time, and you have a different locker each time,
    then it could be that one forgets exactly which locker one uses this particular time.

    And, since only about half of the key-rings with the keys for the lockers had tag-numbers on them,
    this could be a bit confusing.

    So when I was finished with the work-out, and I went to the area of the changing-room where my
    locker was, then the locker wouldn't open.

    Like I wrote, I use different lockers each time, depending on which lockers that are free, where in
    the changing-room it is less crowded etc.

    So it isn't that easy to be exactly sure if it is that particular locker, especially since the key-ring
    to the locker (like about half of the other key-rings, i noticed later), lacked a number-tag on it,

    to specify which locker it belonged to.

    I usually dont keep things like my wallet etc. in the locker, since its a big gym, always many
    people there, and I would get a lot of inconvienience if something happened to my wallet etc.,

    so I didn't keep the most 'valuble' things in the locker.

    I use to keep my note-book with my wallet, so I had my note-book still on me, and I thought it
    was a bit embarresing going to the reception explaining that I coultn't find my locker, so I decided

    to be 100% sure before I did that.

    So, I just wrote down the numbers of all the lockers in my note-book, and then I checked each
    and every locker, and crossed the number for that locker in my note-book.

    I made sure to check each lock thoroughly.

    So, when I had checked each lock in the changing-room, and the key didn't fit in any of them,
    then I went to the reception to explain.

    It was still quite embarresing, but at least now I had the note-book to show that I had tryed all
    of the locks.

    There were about 5 or 6 people sitting in the reception, and the woman in charge, told Neil to
    help me with this.

    I explained to Neil that maybe the smartest thing for me would be to return at closing-time,
    when all the other users of the gym had gone home, then it would only be one locker left

    to check.

    I was holding my note-book still, so I wrote down that Neil started acting a bit like a sergeant
    in the army, knocking his fist into the side of the enterance to the changing-room and screaming

    /comanding: 'come here'.

    I thought this behaviour was a bit peculiar, but I went after him into the changing-room, and then
    he starting to ask if I had been having a few beers. (Since I couldnt remember the number for

    the locker).

    I asked him what his name was, and wrote it down.

    Then I showed him that I had tryed all the lockers, and that noone worked, and that there wasnt
    any number-tag on the key-chain for the locker.

    He asked me which locker I thought it was, and I told him that I thought it was the number 156
    one. (It says in my note-book).

    So he asked me to give him the key, so that he could try the number 156 locker and the
    surrounding lockers.

    But he couldnt manage to open any of them, so he went to find the master-key.

    This took a bit of time, but he returned and then opened the locker with the new key.

    It was locker 156, and I showed him in my note-book that I had already tryed to open
    locker 156 with the key, because I had crossed out that number in the note-book.

    Neil said that 'the locks often get stuck.', I can see from my note-book.

    I found a new locker (since I didnt have the key any longer to the 156 one), and Neil
    reminded me to remember the key-number.

    I told him that I thought that there should be key-tags on the key-rings for the lockers.

    Also, the next time I went to the gym, the woman in charge reminded me that I should
    remember the key-number, and then I told the woman in charge that I thought that

    there should be key-tags on the key-rings. (But there still wasnt done anything
    with this problem, and about half of the key-rings were still missing a key-tag
    for the remainder of the time I was working out at the gym).

    So my questions regarding this is:

    11. How come there are so much problems with the locks getting stuck in the lockers?
    I mean, surely the gym bought new lockers when they opened? And its the Millennium

    building gym, so the building and the gym can't be that old? (Did someone buy used
    lockers for the gym when it opened)?

    12. How come the gym doesn't use oil in the locks for the lockers, if it, like Neil said,
    is a problem with the 'locks often get stuck'?

    13: And why didn't the gym put key-tags on the lockers, when about half of the key-
    tags were missing, and I had spoken about this problem with both Neil and the woman

    who was in charge there on the day this incident ocured, I think it was on 26/4?


    Problems with the washing of the machines:

    When I wrote the e-mail about the problem with the washing women/girls in the
    mens changing-room in the opening hours, then it came to mind that maybe

    the washing-should should rather wash the machines, and then wait untill
    the gym has closed, before they washed the changing-rooms.

    The reason I thought about this, is because I remembered an incident from when
    I was working out, I think it must have been in April or May.

    Then I was working out at the thread-mill, and this was I seem to remember hours
    before closing-time.

    There were a couple of washing-ladys there, even if it was still a few hours until
    closing-time.

    They were just walking around a bit, seemingly not certain on the routine.

    But then one of the washing ladies started to wash the stepping-machine in front
    of me. But what I thought was a bit strange, was that she only washed the tip of

    one of the handles of the stepping machine, and then nothing else. This she did
    twice with a few minuttes inbetween.

    Other than that, I couldn't see that eighter she or her collegue washed any of the
    other machines. (They looked a bit lost there, walking around with their buckets

    while the gym was still quite crowded, since it was hours till closing-time.)

    My question regarding this is:

    14: Shouldn't the washing-staff put up a sign near the machines when they wash
    them during the time of which the gym is open? Couldn't people get hurt if

    they work out on machines that are slippery from being washed? I seem to
    remember from other places I've been working etc., that yellow plastic signs
    are being put on the floor etc., saying that one have to be careful since its

    newly washed, so shouldn't the washing staff in the gym also do this when
    they clean the machines within the opening hours?


    Problems with staff:

    Like I've written, there have been some incedents before that I have wondered
    if I should complain about, but I'm not always sure whos in charge there, so

    this makes it a bit more tricky to complain, and I've also had the problem
    with the arrears on my membership, and the manager let me work out
    there and pay the arrears later, so there was a threshold before I would

    complain.

    But I wrote down in my note-book a couple of things I reacted on anyway.

    I was wondering a bit what was going on there, e.g. on 24/5 Craig and
    a blond girl sits in the reception.

    Only Craig logs in the members, even if there is a long queue. The girl
    is only watching. (I think maybe she is his girlfriend, since I noticed

    them sitting very close once when I wanted to log in).

    So I was wondering, if there is a long queue, surely both of them could
    log in the users of the gym, so that they wouldn't have to wait in a line,

    like if some of the customers are there to sign up for a membership,
    then still everyone have to wait in one line, even if there are more
    staff at work.

    So then I was wondering what is the girl doing there, if she cant log in
    the customers, and is only sitting watching.

    And I think she had been working there a while then, so I dont think
    she was on training.

    So this seemed a bit strange to me, so I thought I could mention it
    while Im writing this e-mail anyway.

    Also, I remember, that one Friday I was working out there, then they
    annonced the closing of the gym like this:

    'The gym will be closing in 60 minutes', 'The gym will be closing in
    45 minutes', 'The gym will be closing in 30 minutes', 'The gym will

    be closing in 15 minutes'.

    I think it was the same girl, but it seemed like it was Craig that told
    her to say it.

    Normally they only say 'The gym will be closing in 20 minuttes', or
    something like this, so I thought I could mention this as well, even

    if its maybe not so important what they say on the calling-system
    in the Friday evenings? Anyway, I thought I could mention it while
    I was writing the e-mail anyway.

    My question to this is:

    15. How come the staff only sits watching while the customers are
    standing in line?

    16. Shouldn't the staff have name-tags, where it said name and title,
    so that it would be easier for the users of the gym to know who to

    speak with regarding different problems. (So that they know who
    are in charge)?

    (For instance, on the day when there were washing girls/women in
    the mens changing room, and they must have been there from
    around 8.40 pm. or earlier, because I went in there on 8.45 pm,

    and then they were well into their routine it looked like, before I
    turned and went home.

    On that day (8/6), the staff that were working around closing-time,
    was Neil, a young girl that wears high-healed shoes and blouse,
    and a man around 40 years maybe that I think could maybe is the

    girls father, because I saw him standing very close to the girl once.

    I thought maybe the girl was in a kind of responsible position there,
    since she wear office-clothes, but the guy in his forthies I reckon
    also could be in charge there, since hes the oldest etc., and also

    Neil I reckoned could have been in charge, since he has access
    to the master-keys etc.

    So its a bit embarrasing asking about whos in charge, because
    you wouldn't want to offend anyone, with asking whos in charge,
    and then its actually that person who is in charge.

    I don't say that it is impossible for the customers of the gym to
    find out whose in charge, but I thought that it could maybe add
    to the general level of customer-service at the gym if the staff

    was wearing name-tags.

    I wrote down a note of who that was working that day, so that
    I would know later, since I wrote the e-mail that day with the
    complaint about the washing-staff in the chaning-room, so I

    thought I'd write it down, in case it became an issue.)

    17. Should they really anounce that the gym is closing in 60 minutes,
    and that the gym is closing in 45 minutes etc.?

     

    Problems with direct-debit agreement on 13/12/06:

    While I was looking for some notes before I started writing this
    e-mail now, I found a letter from the gym from 8/12/06.

    I'll just write what it says:

    'Dear Mr. Ribsskog,

    RE: Lifestyles Membership No: LDD121346

    As a valued Lifestyles member, I was surprised to find that your monthly
    Lifestyles subscription of £23.50 due earlier this month has not been paid.

    You may be aware of this already and have made payment at the
    Lifestyles centre, if so, please accept my apologies.

    If you have not paid these arrears, I would ask that you pay them at your
    earliest convienience by contacting your nearest Lifestyles Centre. Your

    membership account can be updated at any of the centres and you can
    pay either by cash, cheque, credit or debit card.

    Please contact Liverpool Direct on 0151 233 3007 for the number of your
    nearest Lifestye centre.

    I regret that until any arrears have been paid, standard admission
    charges will apply and you will lose the benefits of your membership.

    Yours feithfully

    Steve Kneale

    Business Development Manager'.

     

    (I write quite fast, so I thought I could just write it down, so that it would be
    easier to understand what I meant.)

    There were some problems regarding me switching from a Barclays Cashcard
    account to a Barclays Current-account at around the end of November/beginning

    of December 2006.

    The problem was that my pay from work was switched to the new current-account,
    whereas the direct-debits remained connected to the old account.

    I was in a busy period with work etc., so I didnt think about this problem before I
    got a letter from the bank about it.

    So I went to the bank, and transfered all my direct-debits from my old Barlays
    cashcard account, and to my new Barclays current/visa account.

    The clerk in the bank did this for me, it was a quite routine operation it seemed
    to me.

    Exept for the Lifestyles direct-debit for some reason.

    This direct-debit had been canceled right away, in a way so that the clerk in the
    bank couldnt transfer it to the new account.

    And when I went to the gym on 13/12, I had to pay the charge for Decemeber at
    the gym, and it wasn't possible for me to just switch the existing direct-debit

    agreement from my old Barlays Cashcard account to my new Barclays Current
    account, but I had to fill out a new form all over again to set up the new
    direct debit agreement on my new account.

    I accept that it was my fault with forgetting to transfer the direct-debit to the
    new account (It was some comunication-problem at work, with me informing

    work that I had got a new bank-account, but with work not giving me any
    feedback on that they had changed my account information in the payment
    system).

    But because of the later problem with the direct debits now in June, I thought
    I could ask a couple of questions regarding this as well, while I'm at it, so to

    speak.

    18: How come that the gym canceled my direct-debit between 1/12 and 8/12,
    and sent me a letter on 8/12, where it said that I had to go to the gym and

    pay in cash, when I had never had any payment problems with the gym before
    this, and all the other direct-debits were possible to switch (for the clerk at
    the bank to my new account), except the gyms direct-debit? Shouldn't the

    gym have tryed to collect the payment from my account again 7-14 days
    later, like the clerk in the bank told me that the other companies did?

    19: Why did I have to write my signature on, and fill out a new form all over
    again on 13/12, for a new direct-debit. Didn't the gym have all my information

    from before, have one got to fill out and sign a new form just because one
    gets a new account-number, when one are still using the same bank?

    (The signature of the women I spoke with on the gym on 13/12/06, looks
    like it says Probert as a last name by the way, in case that makes it

    any easier to find out about this.

    I remember I thought it was strange that I had to fill out the form all over
    again, just because of the problem of the one payment due to the

    problems with changing the direct-debits and my pay from work to
    the new account, in a coordinated way.

    Because it didn't seem to be a similiar problem with the other companies
    that also had direct-debits on my account, so therefore I remember that

    I thought that this was a bit strange.

    And now, due to the other problems with the direct-debits again, now in
    June, I thought I'd just ask about the earlier problems, since they came

    to mind now.

    also this:

    How come I got a letter sent 8 days after the missed payment in December,
    where as later, in January, February and March (with the new direct-debit set

    up on 13/12), I didn't get a letter at all.

    It went on for two or three months, it must have been, before someone reminded
    me that there were arrears on my membership.

    I was quite busy in this time-periode, even if I was unemployed, so I didn't
    have so much money then, so I should maybe have spoken with the staff about

    this myself, but I much problems with paying my rent etc., and I was glad to
    have the oppertunity to work-out, since it was a bit stressing not having a
    job, and it helped to work-out to relax from the stress.

    And also, the staff gave different information to me regarding the arrears. The
    girl wearing office-wear, and who worked on 8/6, for instance, told me on

    one occation that it wasn't a hurry paying the arrears at all. (As long as I
    paid the running bills, which I did).

    And other members of staff, Craig for instance, told me that I had to pay the
    arrears before a certain date, (I spoke with the manager and got an extension,

    and later I agreed with Craig that I would pay the arrears when I got first the
    loan I was promised from the bank, and later the switch-bonus I was promised
    from the bank.)

    So the questions regarding this:

    20: How come in December I get a letter for not paying after 8 days, where as
    in the new year, it goes in the region of two or three months without recieving

    a letter or reminder from the staff, even if I worked out several times a week?

    21: How come one member of the staff (the girl with the office-wear who worked
    on 8/6), says that there is no hurry with the arrears, where as another member

    of staff (Craig), says that I have to pay before this and this date? How is this
    really supposed to be, according to the rules?

    (I appriciate very much that I was allowed to work out at the gym even if I had
    arrears, so it's not because I am ungrateful that I ask about these things. It's

    just that due to the other problems, with the washing-women/girls in the changing
    room, and the problems with the continuing processing errors and duplicate
    payments with the direct debits.

    And also due to the problems surrounding the unanounced closure of the gym
    for six weeks due to refurbishment.

    Due to these problems, I thought it would be best to mention all the other
    problems while I was at it. Even if some of these problems aren't maybe

    that serious in themselves, I anyway thought that they were worth bringing
    up, because, I think, thay add to a general picture of things at the gym
    being a bit out of hand, so due to this I'm a bit concerned about whats

    really going on at the gym, and then I thought it would be best to mentioned
    all the things that came to mind, because these things, even if it isn't clear
    to me here and now that there for certain is a problem conected with them,

    it could be a problem, so I thought it would be the most responsible thing
    to do, to also add the latter part of the problems, the ones that are mentioned
    under the title 'other problems'.

    So even if it was the first five or ten questions that made me go to the step
    of complaining. Even so, I hope you have the oppertunity to answer me about

    the last part of the questions as well.

    Sorry again that this e-mail got a bit delayed. I know I said I'd send it no latter
    than Wednesday, but I reckon that as long as I send it before the office hours

    on Thursday, then it hopefully should be ok.

    I'll also forward this e-mail to Linda Lennon and Lesley Southern, since I've been
    copying the e-mails I've sent to them earlier, in this e-mail now.

    Hope that this is alright, and that you bear over with me if some of the last questions
    wasn't as well stated as they should have been, due to time problems etc.

    Hope that this is alright!

    Yours sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog
     
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    Or, go to a private Gym. You should know this Council is useless! Everything they touch turns to s**t!

     
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    On Sunday 5/8, I had a look at the Council website, about what it said about complaints. It said that the Council were supposed to deal with the complaint within two weeks. On Sunday, I had waited almost four weeks, and still hadn't recieved an answer to the complaint.

    I reckoned that since the Council had breached the complaints-procedure, then the smartest thing would be to send the complaint to the Council Ombudsman, which I did.

    Yesterday, I recieved an answer from the Ombudsman, that said something that they didn't think that the Council had had enough time
    to answer the complaint, so they had sent it back to the Council.

    I have been working quite a lot and also had send some other e-mails
    so I haven't had time to look that closly at their letter yet.

    Today, just an hour or two ago, I recieved an answer from the Council, which I answered right away.

    When I wrote the answer, I also started to think about the letter from the
    ombudsman, and I also sent them an e-mail, since I wonder a bit about

    how the Council and the Ombudsman are viewing my complaint from the post above, in regards with the Council complaint procedure.

    This seems a bit unclear to me, so if anyone could share any light on how this is supposed to be, then please feel free to coment on this.

    Like I've mentioned earlier I think these issues also concerns the other users of the gym and also the people who are paying tax to the council, I think it should be alright to bring up these issues here.

    So I'll update with the e-mails from today:


    Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com> hide details 7:56 pm (0 minutes ago)

    to "Kneale, Steve" < Steve.Kneale@liverpool.gov.uk >
    date Aug 10, 2007 7:56 PM

    subject Re: Lifestyles Liverpool complaint.
    mailed-by gmail.com

    Hi,

    thank you very much for your answer.

    Like I was writing in the complaint to the ombudsman, I think that the council should maybe
    have answered the complaint in public, since I have brought this things up in public myself,

    since these are things that concern the other users of the gym, and the people who are paying
    tax to the council.

    Also, it would have been very fine if it also was explained why I wasn't recieving any answer
    from the Duty Officer, and also why it is that it isn't him who is answering the complaint.

    Also, I was wondering if my complaint to the Duty Officer isn't being regarded as an official
    complaint?

    Also I think that all the points in the complaint should have been answered. Even if some of
    the points are brought up in another e-mail, I'm explaining about this in the complaint, and

    making it clear that I think it would have been fine to hear what the Duty Officer has to say
    about this, aswell as hearing what Lesley Southern had to say about this, since I haven't
    really been explained what position in the Council he has, and also since all the points

    have been mentioned together when I've comented on the complaint in public, so then
    I think it would be most apropriate if all the points in the complaint were answered
    togheter aswell, even if some of the points also has been brought up in another context.

    Also I think it add to the general overviewabilty of the answer, if the original indexing
    from the complaint was kept.

    I haven't comented on the indiviadual points from the answer here, I think it would be
    smartest to sort with the issues above first, and then deal with the individual complaints

    later, if you think this would be alright.

    Hope that this is alright, and please tell me if there is anything else I need to take into
    concern, to get my answer in line with your complaint-procedure.

    Yours sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog
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    On 8/10/07, Kneale, Steve <Steve.Kneale@liverpool.gov.uk> wrote:

    Sir,
    Please find attached a response to the matters pertaining to Lifestyles Fitness Centres and your recent complaint.

    Regards

    Steve Kneale
    Sport & Recreation Service – Facility Operations
    Business Development Manager

    Office location:
    1st Floor, Lifestyles Everton Park
    Great Homer Street
    Liverpool L5 5PH

    Tel: +44 (0)151 233 6362
    Fax: +44 (0) 151 233 6300

    Web: http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/lifestyles

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    10th August 2007 Enquiries: Steve Kneale

    Direct Line: 0151 233 6362

    Our ref. SK 10Au 07


    Mr. E. Ribsskog

    via e-mail.

    eribsskog@gmail.com

     

    Dear Eric,

     


    Thank you for sending us your comments dated 6th August 2007, that have fed into our 'Have Your Say' customer feedback system.


    Your communication raises a number of issues, some of which I understand have resulted in responses. However, if any of your previous communications have not been satisfactorily resolved or even responded to then please accept my sincere apologies. I will however try to address your concerns below.


    With regard your direct debit subscription to Lifestyles. I am aware of some problems you encountered. In November 2006 we installed a new It system into the Lifestyles centres that did result in a number of problems with collections. These are now resolved and I understand your account is in balance, as advised via e-mail dated 3rd July 2007.

    Within the Lifestyles Millennium we strive to provide a high quality service. We do employ cleaners who should not have entered the male changing areas when persons were present and we have changed the cleaning regime to stop this happening in future.

    Cleaning staff, together with the fitness instructors are required to clean all areas including the fitness equipment but not interfere with member's enjoyment of using the centre.

    Lifestyles Millennium has been closed since 25th June and will re-open on Monday 13th August 2007 to allow essential repairs in the shower areas. Messages were put on the Wellness system and notices displayed in the facility for 2 weeks prior to closure in accordance with our customer charter.

    We have informed Liverpool Direct of updates and tried to keep the internet updated as we received feedback from contractors with regards the re-opening date.

    Members who used Lifestyles Millennium were reimbursed due to its closure and were informed in writing to their home address.

    All staff are expected to wear identity badges at all times. Although this does not denote their designation nor authority. Members should be encouraged to report any incidents to any member of staff who will attempt to resolve the matter or report it to a senior colleague. If you have any further cause to report a matter at our facilities I would ask you ask to speak with the duty manager. If you feel this is inappropriate at the time, please can you contact me directly, ideally by telephone to discuss at the earliest opportunity.


    I wish to thank you again for your valued feedback.


    If you remain dissatisfied with the response to your complaint, please contact me either via e-mail, telephone or in writing, where the matter can be escalated to a further stage.

     

     


    Yours faithfully

     

     

    Steve Kneale

    Business Development Manager

    Sport & Recreation Service


    steve.kneale@liverpool.gov.uk

     

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    from Erik Ribsskog < eribsskog@gmail.com> hide details 8:05 pm (39 minutes ago)
    to st3 york <st3york@lgo.org.uk>

    date Aug 10, 2007 8:05 PM
    subject 07/c/06289/RA/ch
    mailed-by gmail.com

    Hi,

    thank you very much for your answer to my complaint regarding the problems at the
    Council gym.

    It was just one thing I was wondering about, and that was if my complaint to the Duty Officer
    at the gym isn't being regarded as an official complaint?

    It would be very fine if you please have the oppertunity to make this clear to me!

    Thank you very much in advance, and thank you very much for you help again!

    Yours sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog
     
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  • E-mail to the Local Government Ombudsman, 27/6/08.







    Google Mail – To Mrs. Julie Murray, Ref: 08 000 279/JEM.







    Google Mail


    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>



    To Mrs. Julie Murray, Ref: 08 000 279/JEM.




    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>


    Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:16 PM





    To:

    st3 york <st3york@lgo.org.uk>



    Hi,

    I'm answering your letter, from 24. June, this year.

    You write, that you think the Council, have done enough, when they have changed

    the cleaning regime, after the cleaning ladies, were washing the mens changing-room,

    within the opening hours.

    I've told you that this has happend on several occations, I saw it myself on two occations.

    And it's clear to me, that the staff at the gym, must have known about this, since there

    were so many staff present, on the last occation, that were standing in the reception,

    not doing anything.

    So, I think it's inadequate, just to change the cleaning staff.

    I think, that the gym-staff, must be uncapable, of having control, at the gym, since they

    allow things like this.

    So I think the gym-staff, should be changes as well.

    People normally understand things like this, by themselves, so I think must be something

    to do, with mob (mobsters), in the gym.

    Also, you write, that the closure of the gym, for six weeks, for refurbisment, last summer,

    was announced, in advance.

    I was at the gym a lot, and I saw no poster like this.

    And not all user use the wellness system, I think this is an excuse, that is made up later.

    I think the mob/mobsters, in the gym, knew, that I didn't use the wellness system, and

    therefore this has been used as an excuse.

    I think, that this closure for refurbisment, was some type of 'cover-up', of the mob activity,

    in the gym, after I sent an email to Linda Lennon, in the Council admin, about this, the

    Friday before the cover-up/closure of the gym.

    (If the gym was to be closed for refurbisment, then why, were they charging for the full

    month, for June of last year, when the gym closed around June 25th.

    And, the gym is in the Millenium building.

    It's a new building, why would they close the gym for six weeks, for refurbishment, in

    a new buiding.

    This I think must have a been a cover-up, to get some mob, out of the Lifestyles Gym,

    in Victioria St.).

    So I think that if the LGO, want's to act responsible in this, and not be part of the

    cover-up then they should tell in public what has been goving on.

    Yours sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog






  • Letter from the Local Government Ombudsman.

    Letter from the Local Government Ombudsman.