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    So?
    Posted 1 hour ago by “magna750” (R)

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    Well,

    don’t you think it says a bit about Bertelsmann.

    This team-leader is obvioulsly to immature, to have responsibility for people.

    I don’t think people who write cantina like this: ‘CaNTiNa!!!’, should have manager-responsiblity, because if they write like that, they are most probably to imature, to have very much people-skills.

    Even if she’s intelligent, I think she should be more mature, to be a manager.

    What does this say about the company?

    I’d say, that it says that something was wrong there, at Bertelsmann Arvato, when they let a girl, that was immature, manage the Microsoft Scandinavian Product Activation-campagn, with line-manager responsibility for around 10 people.

    Then they aren’t taking their employers, who have this manager as a line-manager and team-leader, seriously.

    This is what this tells me.

    Sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog
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  • LiveLeak: More about product-activation over the phone seeming like a phoney job. And that it seemed like the Nordic women there were whores etc.

    Quoted comment by AvgDude2: Typical IS bullshit. Not all coding assignments are equal and the paperwork surround software life-cycle is often incredibly overdesigned making if the most minor of code changes and 2 week project. This happening inside an environment where changes often have to be done immediately to stay on release schedule leads the most productive developers to fix the problem first and do the excessive bullshit paperwork second.

    Dickhead managers never get this. They just keep piling on the bullshit process tasks without thinking how those piled on bullshit task eat up precious labor hours that should be used to develop quality software. This is exactly why the best software comes out of small shops or even a single person. The larger the company, the shittier the code in their software because of excessive process that is just designed by assholes obsessed with CYA and replacing high-priced good programmers with low cost shitty programmers. They convince themselves that all the thousands of pages of bullshit software requirements, tech specs, unit testing designs, Quality Assurance designs and summaries somehow are gonna produce good software. They don’t. In fact, they do a better job of building shitty software and shitty software engineers who spend 99% of their time in meetings and filling out paperwork than actually programming.

    Hi,

    this wasn’t about software-development.

    This was the Microsoft Scandinavian Product Activation.

    It’s for the Microsoft-customers who haven’t got an internet-line, or who have activated Windows to many times.

    So then they have to call, and speak with a person.

    But, as some callers pointed out, there’s really no need to use people to do this job, there’s really no point in product-activation over the phone, some customers said.

    And, we didn’t have a main-goal.

    I suspect, that this could be just a phoney job, to get access to young women in an almost scyscraper (Cunard Building) environment.

    Young women on the campaign, were crying all the time.

    At work, after meatings, in breaks after work.

    All of them blond, I’d say.

    I think this job, Microsoft Product Activation over the phone could just be an eg. Illuminati set-up to get hold of young, Nordic women etc.

    At least with the Scandinavian Product Activation in the Cunard-building in Liverpool, due to the mentioned reasons:

    No main goal, customers, who seemed enlightened, said that there was no purpose of product-activation (over the phone), women crying everywhere, and walking with very small steps.

    So this could have just been a phoney job to make young, sexy, foreign women to whores, if they weren’t whores from before.

    I also heard some Brits, that didn’t belong on the campaign, speaking behind my back, while I sat on the phone.

    One wondering why I was there.

    The other (none of them belonged in the office, they were ‘successfull people in their 30s or 40s I seem to remember that they seemed like) person said I was there so that to get the Nordic women to stay on the campaign a bit longer before the left.

    (Their real job was to be whores, in breaks etc, I suspect).

    Sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog
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    Quoted comment by mikecurse:
    Quoted comment by johncons: The team-leader was treating the staff in an decending way. (Degrading/looking down on them).

    She was bullying staff, I think one have to say, by calling them ‘lazy’, in e-mails.

    That’s not ok, at least not in Norway.

    (And not in the UK eighter, as I’ve understood it).

    And it’s not in-line at all with company policy, the Bertelsmann Essentials, (even if these weren’t implemented at Arvato at this time).

    Even if a person is a manager, still the person haven’t got the right to treat staff in a degrading way.

    Yours sincerley,

    Erik Ribsskog

    I believe “condescending” is the word you’re looking for.

    Yes, that’s right ‘condensending’, I’m sorry I have to practise on my English, I’m from Norway you see.

    Thanks again!

    Erik Ribsskog

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    in the USA i think most guys wouldnt be bothered by it unless he is a woosy – the girls might get a schlong or two swung at them though cause there’s always one real idiot in the group isnt there
    Posted 1 hour ago by “Beinrich_Bimmler” (R)

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    Ok,

    if this has happened, at the T�yenbadet, in Oslo, that the female washing staff had been washing the all age mens changing room and showers within the opening hours, or at a primary school in Norway, then it would have been a scandal in Norway.

    But I guess you are thinking about a private gym, you probably don’t have public gyms in the USA, do you?

    In Norway, I think people tend to think that public places should be decent.

    It’s like when you go to the library, you don’t expect that the cleaning woman is going to wash the urinal during the opening hours there, or how is this in the USA, have you got public libraries there?

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    PS.

    I was at Detroit Airport, in 2005.

    And there weren’t any Norwegian (My first language) immigration/holiday-forms, and there weren’t any forms in English.

    But then they had a immigration-employee there, that you reminded me of now.

    He screamed at me across the hall, ‘sprechen sie Deutch’.

    He screamed at me, if I spoke German.

    (Since the flight was from Franfurt, ant the Lufthansa-employee didn’t give me a form, aboard the fligth).

    Norway was occupied by nazi-Germany, during WWII, so I didn’t like being screamed at in German, so I screamed back ‘nicht sehr gut’, since the only German I know, I’ve picked up from holidays etc, since my aunt used to live in Switzerland.

    So I don’t think the situation is that good in America any longer, since you can’t afford to print forms in other languages than French and German and Spanish.

    But anyway, I was sent back to Europe by the Immigration-police, (who spoke American-English, and not German), so I don’t think I’ll go back anyway, and risk that this will happen again.

    So it isn’t really a problem for me with the forms.

    Your picture just reminded me of the airport immigration-control staff.

    But that’s how it is sometimes I guess, that one get’s flashbacks like this.

    I suspect it is like that.

    Sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog

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    U WOT?
    Posted 50 mins ago by “HarunHaha” (R)

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    The team-leader was treating the staff in an decending way. (Degrading/looking down on them).

    She was bullying staff, I think one have to say, by calling them ‘lazy’, in e-mails.

    That’s not ok, at least not in Norway.

    (And not in the UK eighter, as I’ve understood it).

    And it’s not in-line at all with company policy, the Bertelsmann Essentials, (even if these weren’t implemented at Arvato at this time).

    Even if a person is a manager, still the person haven’t got the right to treat staff in a degrading way.

    Yours sincerley,

    Erik Ribsskog
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    Quoted comment by MikL0:
    Quoted comment by Fat_Bastard: Come to Japan where there are often women cleaners in the male bathrooms….There are also sometimes male cleaners in the female bathrooms….And only the foreigners are bothered by it!

    same here.
    in here we wonder what’s the big deal about whole thing.
    he/she is nude. so what.

    Ok,

    I think this can be compared with, if a school-class, when they have finished with the gymnastic-class, then the boys-class find the female washing-staff washing the shower-room while they are using the changing-room.

    It’s maybe a bit pointless to discuss the Japanese culture, since this incident was in Liverpool, and not in Japan.

    At least, then I’ll mention Norway.

    And in Norway, we never had female washing-staff washing the changing-room while we were showering at primary school etc.

    How about in Japan?

    Erik Ribsskog
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    Ok,

    now I saw the Finnish flag.

    It’s not the same culture in Britain and Finland.

    In Finland you have sauna.

    This gym didn’t have sauna.

    And I joined another gym, after the problems at this gym.

    And there they had sauna, for both sexes.

    But this was a private gym, (at Haymarket in Liverpool, so called Executive Gym, I think), and almost noone used the sauna.

    And I used boxer-shorts in the sauna, in-case some women would show up there.

    But they didn’t clean the sauna, so then the boxer-shorts smelled, so that you had to wash them at 90 degrees and not 60 degrees or else the smell wouldn’t go away.

    So I guess you Finns clean your saunas, or don’t you, by the way?

    Anyway, I think we can say that’s a different culture in Britain.

    I didn’t see any women at all in the sauna there, the month or two I worked out there, and this was a gym for only people who were working, and that were in their 20’s and older, I think.

    Something like this.
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    Quoted comment by Fat_Bastard: Come to Japan where there are often women cleaners in the male bathrooms….There are also sometimes male cleaners in the female bathrooms….And only the foreigners are bothered by it!

    If this had happened in Oslo, where I’m from, I think it would have been a scandal.

    Because this, Lifestyles, is a Council-run gym, and there aren’t only men, but also boys, I think or tenagers, who work out there.

    And also one of the female cleaners, who was cleaning the mens changing-room there, on one occation, (when I just turned in the door to the changing-room, and showered at home), she looked pretty young, I seem to remember, she might have been under 18.

    So this I think would have been a scandal at a Council-run gym or swiming-pool in Oslo, which also has eg. Council-run swimming-pools.

    It would be a bit like the teacher going into the pupils shower at school, I think, I think it would have been a scandal, in Oslo, if the Council there hadn’t thought about this problem when they made the cleaning rota.

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