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Quoted comment by japapadex: It is possible that they might be searching for drugs, or it could be a high risk area whereas they will just stop and search anybody. Zero tolerance is very much in force in the merseyside area.

Zero tolerance for walking on the pavement?

It sometimes depends on the area or even it could be down to a particular street or road, certain restricted zones will not allow more than two youths wether it be male or female to hang around, i think the police must have had reason to search these girls, but without any more facts it is difficult to say. Just because they are girls does not mean that they are incapable of committing an offence, some girls that i know from the Liverpool are worse than the lads.

Well, this was in Dale St., in the center of Liverpool.

Not far from the Town Hall, and Matthew St., and the discos etc.

And these people, were just normal people walking on the pavemant, as I could see.

And they said that the police just frisked everyone.

I’ve overheard people saying this earlier as well, in Dale St, in the Spar shop, on a Saturday evening.

That they were just brought in to a Police-car, and had never seen Police like that.

Seemed like ordinary people going out to me, on both occations.

The girls, who had got their bags looked through by the Police, acted polite.

I was maybe a bit inpolite, in asking them why the Police looked through their stuff, but it was a Saturday night, and I was a bit curious.

Then one of them explained, that the Police just ‘frisked everone’, and the otherone complained, to the first one, that she was getting a headache, I think she said, so I don’t think these girls acted like criminals.

So I thought this was a bit akward.

Is it ok for the Police to stop, and frisk, people who are just walking on the pavement.

In Norway, where I’m from.

I worked a lot, as a shop-manager, in Norway.

And I lived in a small flat, which I rented from my employer, (Rimi/Ica), and the fridge didn’t work, and they didn’t want to change it.

So before I got to buy a new fridge, then I sometimes, used to drive, to a petrol-station etc., at night, to buy a snack, or some food.

And then the Police in Oslo, would stop you, for no reason at all.

And ask for your drivers-licence, and once when I was tired from work, then they asked me to go out of the car, to look at my pupils etc.

They must have thought I was a criminal or something, when all I did, was to drive to 7-eleven, to buy some food etc., or I drove my brother home, once, when he had been visiting me.

And then for no reason at all, the Police are going drive behind you, and ask you to stop.

They call it ‘rutine kontroll’, thats ‘routine-control’.

So it’s maybe so, that the Police in eighter Norway or Britain, don’t need any reason, to stop you, and go through your stuff, or your car etc.

It’s not in America, I guess, where the Police aren’t allowed to just stop people walking on the pavement, or just driving a car, if I’ve understood it right, that is.

It sounds by what you have described that the police seemed to be looking for something in particular, possibly they had information whereas they deemed it necessary to stop and search, and i am pretty certain that they have the authority to stop and search anybody they choose as long as they have just cause to do so. but i still think that they need the persons permission to do so.

I suppose as you stated the routine control in Oslo must be a similar variation of upholding the law as to what you witnessed in Liverpool.

It does appear unfair from your point of view i suppose, but have you lived in the Liverpool area for a while, or are you fairly new to the area, because once you understand the people and the area you will soon become accustomed to why the police act this way, as it is normally a case of they are normally searching for drugs and weapons, and in Liverpool both drugs and weapons are usually high profile causes. I don’t know wether this information helps you in anyway to understand why the police do a stop and search, but i do hope it will assist you in some way.

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that’s what I meant, that in Norway, you can be stoped by the Police, for driving on the street, and in Britain you can be stoped by the Police, for walking on the pavement, where as, in America, the Police can’t stop you, without ‘probable cause’, or something similar.

I was just reflecting a bit around this.

But now it’s clear to me, that the UK police, don’t need probable cause, to frisk someone.

So thanks very much for help with finding out about that!

I walked around the block, and then I saw the same two Police-officers standing outside of the discos in Eberle St., I think that lane is called.

So I don’t think they were on some mission of any kind, other than to patrol the streets, on a Saturday night.

And the girls said that they just ‘frisked everyone’.

And I haven’t the police act like this, in other cities.

It was also the incident, in Matthew St., a couple of months ago, that I posted about, a couple of weeks ago, when I first heard of this site.

I’ve been living in Liverpool, for three years now, in Walton, and in the city centre, and I think normal people usually behave very polite and fine here.

I can’t remember seeing a single fight, when I’ve been going out.

I think the guns and that, is more in the suburbs in Liverpool?

I can’t remember hearing of any shooting-incidents, in the city center of Liverpool.

So I think the way the police in this city acts, is a bit strange, from having lived in Oslo for many years, and also in Sunderland.

In the incident in Matthew St., it looked like the police were practically raping the girl.

(Look at the post I posted some weeks ago).

And in the link to the case I have against Arvato/Microsoft, there one can see, that the Merseyside Police, call me ‘Miss Erik Ribsskog’, and they also lied, and said that the Citizens Advice Bureaux, was Government, when it’s a charity.

And they are having phoney e-mail-adresses, and are acting at bullies, in the meetings etc, I’d say.

So I’m not that convinced about the Merseyside Police, so that’s why I’m posting about these incidents.

Thanks again for the information about the British Police in your comment!

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Zero tolerance for walking on the pavement?

It sometimes depends on the area or even it could be down to a particular street or road, certain restricted zones will not allow more than two youths wether it be male or female to hang around, i think the police must have had reason to search these girls, but without any more facts it is difficult to say. Just because they are girls does not mean that they are incapable of committing an offence, some girls that i know from the Liverpool are worse than the lads.

Well, this was in Dale St., in the center of Liverpool.

Not far from the Town Hall, and Matthew St., and the discos etc.

And these people, were just normal people walking on the pavemant, as I could see.

And they said that the police just frisked everyone.

I’ve overheard people saying this earlier as well, in Dale St, in the Spar shop, on a Saturday evening.

That they were just brought in to a Police-car, and had never seen Police like that.

Seemed like ordinary people going out to me, on both occations.

The girls, who had got their bags looked through by the Police, acted polite.

I was maybe a bit inpolite, in asking them why the Police looked through their stuff, but it was a Saturday night, and I was a bit curious.

Then one of them explained, that the Police just ‘frisked everone’, and the otherone complained, to the first one, that she was getting a headache, I think she said, so I don’t think these girls acted like criminals.

So I thought this was a bit akward.

Is it ok for the Police to stop, and frisk, people who are just walking on the pavement.

In Norway, where I’m from.

I worked a lot, as a shop-manager, in Norway.

And I lived in a small flat, which I rented from my employer, (Rimi/Ica), and the fridge didn’t work, and they didn’t want to change it.

So before I got to buy a new fridge, then I sometimes, used to drive, to a petrol-station etc., at night, to buy a snack, or some food.

And then the Police in Oslo, would stop you, for no reason at all.

And ask for your drivers-licence, and once when I was tired from work, then they asked me to go out of the car, to look at my pupils etc.

They must have thought I was a criminal or something, when all I did, was to drive to 7-eleven, to buy some food etc., or I drove my brother home, once, when he had been visiting me.

And then for no reason at all, the Police are going drive behind you, and ask you to stop.

They call it ‘rutine kontroll’, thats ‘routine-control’.

So it’s maybe so, that the Police in eighter Norway or Britain, don’t need any reason, to stop you, and go through your stuff, or your car etc.

It’s not in America, I guess, where the Police aren’t allowed to just stop people walking on the pavement, or just driving a car, if I’ve understood it right, that is.

It sounds by what you have described that the police seemed to be looking for something in particular, possibly they had information whereas they deemed it necessary to stop and search, and i am pretty certain that they have the authority to stop and search anybody they choose as long as they have just cause to do so. but i still think that they need the persons permission to do so.

I suppose as you stated the routine control in Oslo must be a similar variation of upholding the law as to what you witnessed in Liverpool.

It does appear unfair from your point of view i suppose, but have you lived in the Liverpool area for a while, or are you fairly new to the area, because once you understand the people and the area you will soon become accustomed to why the police act this way, as it is normally a case of they are normally searching for drugs and weapons, and in Liverpool both drugs and weapons are usually high profile causes. I don’t know wether this information helps you in anyway to understand why the police do a stop and search, but i do hope it will assist you in some way.

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that’s what I meant, that in Norway, you can be stoped by the Police, for driving on the street, and in Britain you can be stoped by the Police, for walking on the pavement, where as, in America, the Police can’t stop you, without ‘probable cause’, or something similar.

I was just reflecting a bit around this.

But now it’s clear to me, that the UK police, don’t need probable cause, to frisk someone.

So thanks very much for help with finding out about that!

I walked around the block, and then I saw the same two Police-officers standing outside of the discos in Eberle St., I think that lane is called.

So I don’t think they were on some mission of any kind, other than to patrol the streets, on a Saturday night.

And the girls said that they just ‘frisked everyone’.

And I haven’t the police act like this, in other cities.

It was also the incident, in Matthew St., a couple of months ago, that I posted about, a couple of weeks ago, when I first heard of this site.

I’ve been living in Liverpool, for three years now, in Walton, and in the city centre, and I think normal people usually behave very polite and fine here.

I can’t remember seeing a single fight, when I’ve been going out.

I think the guns and that, is more in the suburbs in Liverpool?

I can’t remember hearing of any shooting-incidents, in the city center of Liverpool.

So I think the way the police in this city acts, is a bit strange, from having lived in Oslo for many years, and also in Sunderland.

In the incident in Matthew St., it looked like the police were practically raping the girl.

(Look at the post I posted some weeks ago).

And in the link to the case I have against Arvato/Microsoft, there one can see, that the Merseyside Police, call me ‘Miss Erik Ribsskog’, and they also lied, and said that the Citizens Advice Bureaux, was Government, when it’s a charity.

And they are having phoney e-mail-adresses, and are acting at bullies, in the meetings etc, I’d say.

So I’m not that convinced about the Merseyside Police, so that’s why I’m posting about these incidents.

Thanks again for the information about the British Police in your comment!

No problem mate you are welcome.

Take care.

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Quoted comment by fozzy5000: i would be happy to be searched by police if it means that they are trying to keep gun and knife crime down. i got nothing to hide so why should i give a fuck if 2 mins of my time is waisted. its catch 22 for the cops if they serach too many ppl its harrasment and they get fucked over and if they dont search enogh ppl and someone gets stabbed then they have not donethere job well enough. i am pretty sure cops dont carry crystal balls so they just have to search as many ppl as possible to make sure they get the bad guys. if your inconvienienced then tough shit. rather that than be stabbed on a night out eh!

Why don’t you move to china then. Here in the USA, I will do everything to protect the rights of myself, and my kids. It’s this kind of attitude that starts the cracks in the system, and next thing you know, you are living under martial law.

You people have been scared into submission. I pity you all.

so let me quess, your one of these retards that think we dont need a legal system, dont need cops and so on. are you fucking retarded or what. I have kids aswell and i would rather be stopped and searched and come away clean than see the police not want to stop and searches becasue they are worried some fucking pipsqeek like you is going to get offended that your human rights have been breached by someone that wants to make the streets a safer place for everyone. Its ppl like YOU that ruin our contries, not ppl like me.

Well, here in America, we have something called probable cause, as well as illegal search and seizure. You brits gave that up years ago, along with your guns. No wonder GB is becoming a muslim state. In 10 years, all your crooked teethed women will be wearing burqas. LOL

fuck probable cause. just get it over and one with, treat me nice but with saftey first in mind and i dont give a fuck. i got nothing to hide. and as for our crooked toothed women, at least our women have teeth and dont all weigh about half a ton. Crawl back into your hole and stfu. the prob with america is the fact that everyone is too scared to do fuck all about the crims as they are to scared of the repurcusions. here they just get on with it. Although i do agree that we are turning into a muslim state but hopefully something will happen and that will be sorted.

So you miss or ignore the many stories about criminals getting shot by the ordinary folks over here.

I probably shouldn’t write this, since I’m from Norway.

But in Britain, the Police, chased a Brazilian through London, an on to the tube, where they executed him.

And he was just a normal guy.

So I’m not sure if everything is like it should be, with the Police here.

He was not a normal guy, he was an illegal immigrant who refused to stop when armed police asked him to. He then ran onto a packed tube train where he could have set off an explosive device. The idiot who shouldn’t have even been here should’ve stopped when the police asked him to.

This is not the normal behaviour of British police nor is it a common occurrence. You seem extremely paranoid.

If he wasn’t a normal guy, why did they let his family come over, and look at the murder-scene etc., like I saw on TV?

A normal guy in Britain is a British citizen, the man in question was not. His family were invited because his death was a public relations disaster for the authorities.

My point still stands; this is not the normal behaviour of British police nor is it a common occurrence.

You make it sound like it’s ok for the Police to occationally execute some normal people on the tube if they aren’t British citizens.

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Quoted comment by fozzy5000: i would be happy to be searched by police if it means that they are trying to keep gun and knife crime down. i got nothing to hide so why should i give a fuck if 2 mins of my time is waisted. its catch 22 for the cops if they serach too many ppl its harrasment and they get fucked over and if they dont search enogh ppl and someone gets stabbed then they have not donethere job well enough. i am pretty sure cops dont carry crystal balls so they just have to search as many ppl as possible to make sure they get the bad guys. if your inconvienienced then tough shit. rather that than be stabbed on a night out eh!

Why don’t you move to china then. Here in the USA, I will do everything to protect the rights of myself, and my kids. It’s this kind of attitude that starts the cracks in the system, and next thing you know, you are living under martial law.

You people have been scared into submission. I pity you all.

so let me quess, your one of these retards that think we dont need a legal system, dont need cops and so on. are you fucking retarded or what. I have kids aswell and i would rather be stopped and searched and come away clean than see the police not want to stop and searches becasue they are worried some fucking pipsqeek like you is going to get offended that your human rights have been breached by someone that wants to make the streets a safer place for everyone. Its ppl like YOU that ruin our contries, not ppl like me.

Well, here in America, we have something called probable cause, as well as illegal search and seizure. You brits gave that up years ago, along with your guns. No wonder GB is becoming a muslim state. In 10 years, all your crooked teethed women will be wearing burqas. LOL

fuck probable cause. just get it over and one with, treat me nice but with saftey first in mind and i dont give a fuck. i got nothing to hide. and as for our crooked toothed women, at least our women have teeth and dont all weigh about half a ton. Crawl back into your hole and stfu. the prob with america is the fact that everyone is too scared to do fuck all about the crims as they are to scared of the repurcusions. here they just get on with it. Although i do agree that we are turning into a muslim state but hopefully something will happen and that will be sorted.

So you miss or ignore the many stories about criminals getting shot by the ordinary folks over here.

I probably shouldn’t write this, since I’m from Norway.

But in Britain, the Police, chased a Brazilian through London, an on to the tube, where they executed him.

And he was just a normal guy.

So I’m not sure if everything is like it should be, with the Police here.

He was not a normal guy, he was an illegal immigrant who refused to stop when armed police asked him to. He then ran onto a packed tube train where he could have set off an explosive device. The idiot who shouldn’t have even been here should’ve stopped when the police asked him to.

This is not the normal behaviour of British police nor is it a common occurrence. You seem extremely paranoid.

If he wasn’t a normal guy, why did they let his family come over, and look at the murder-scene etc., like I saw on TV?

A normal guy in Britain is a British citizen, the man in question was not. His family were invited because his death was a public relations disaster for the authorities.

My point still stands; this is not the normal behaviour of British police nor is it a common occurrence.

You make it sound like it’s ok for the Police to occationally execute some normal people on the tube if they aren’t British citizens.

I’m beginning to understand why I’m just being f*cked around by the British Police, it’s because I’m from Norway, and not a British Citizen.

And the Norwegian Government, is f*cking me around as well.

It doesn’t seem like the Government in eighter Norway or Britain have any respect for peoples rights.

That’s my view at least, after what has been going on.

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I’m a bit concerned with what this with the Police and the doughnuts really is about.

Is it some kind of metaphor?

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Quoted comment by japapadex: It is possible that they might be searching for drugs, or it could be a high risk area whereas they will just stop and search anybody. Zero tolerance is very much in force in the merseyside area.

Zero tolerance for walking on the pavement?

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Quoted comment by plecostomus: To be honest, the police around here don’t
seem to do anything unless they are called
out, even then they take forever or don’t
bother turning up, and they tend to achieve
nothing afterwards anyway. I guess it would
be nice to see the police actually doing
something pre-emptive or even constructive.

Now I realise that they may well be very busy,
underfunded / overstretched in this location,
but my point is, just maybe you’re lucky there?

Yeah the original poster is lucky that police are actually on the beat in his area.

Why are they called Mersey beat?

Why aren’t they called Mersey-Police?

Aren’t they proper police?

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Quoted comment by fozzy5000: i would be happy to be searched by police if it means that they are trying to keep gun and knife crime down. i got nothing to hide so why should i give a fuck if 2 mins of my time is waisted. its catch 22 for the cops if they serach too many ppl its harrasment and they get fucked over and if they dont search enogh ppl and someone gets stabbed then they have not donethere job well enough. i am pretty sure cops dont carry crystal balls so they just have to search as many ppl as possible to make sure they get the bad guys. if your inconvienienced then tough shit. rather that than be stabbed on a night out eh!

Why don’t you move to china then. Here in the USA, I will do everything to protect the rights of myself, and my kids. It’s this kind of attitude that starts the cracks in the system, and next thing you know, you are living under martial law.

You people have been scared into submission. I pity you all.

so let me quess, your one of these retards that think we dont need a legal system, dont need cops and so on. are you fucking retarded or what. I have kids aswell and i would rather be stopped and searched and come away clean than see the police not want to stop and searches becasue they are worried some fucking pipsqeek like you is going to get offended that your human rights have been breached by someone that wants to make the streets a safer place for everyone. Its ppl like YOU that ruin our contries, not ppl like me.

Well, here in America, we have something called probable cause, as well as illegal search and seizure. You brits gave that up years ago, along with your guns. No wonder GB is becoming a muslim state. In 10 years, all your crooked teethed women will be wearing burqas. LOL

fuck probable cause. just get it over and one with, treat me nice but with saftey first in mind and i dont give a fuck. i got nothing to hide. and as for our crooked toothed women, at least our women have teeth and dont all weigh about half a ton. Crawl back into your hole and stfu. the prob with america is the fact that everyone is too scared to do fuck all about the crims as they are to scared of the repurcusions. here they just get on with it. Although i do agree that we are turning into a muslim state but hopefully something will happen and that will be sorted.

So you miss or ignore the many stories about criminals getting shot by the ordinary folks over here.

I probably shouldn’t write this, since I’m from Norway.

But in Britain, the Police, chased a Brazilian through London, an on to the tube, where they executed him.

And he was just a normal guy.

So I’m not sure if everything is like it should be, with the Police here.

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Quoted comment by fozzy5000: i would be happy to be searched by police if it means that they are trying to keep gun and knife crime down. i got nothing to hide so why should i give a fuck if 2 mins of my time is waisted. its catch 22 for the cops if they serach too many ppl its harrasment and they get fucked over and if they dont search enogh ppl and someone gets stabbed then they have not donethere job well enough. i am pretty sure cops dont carry crystal balls so they just have to search as many ppl as possible to make sure they get the bad guys. if your inconvienienced then tough shit. rather that than be stabbed on a night out eh!

Why don’t you move to china then. Here in the USA, I will do everything to protect the rights of myself, and my kids. It’s this kind of attitude that starts the cracks in the system, and next thing you know, you are living under martial law.

You people have been scared into submission. I pity you all.

On the whole there is a much better relationship between the police and the public.There has been alot of knife crime lately and these weapons are often carried by the girlfriends of the offenders in their handbags.People generally don’t mind being searched as long as the reasons are properly explained and they are treated with dignity and respect.
Policing in Britain is very much by the consent of the people.There are only about 130.000 police for 60 million population.

I’m wondering a bit if the situation in Britain, is like I suspect it is, in Norway, where there is an elite, called the ‘new elite’, that I suspect have the protection from the Police and the Government.

Where as, there is an underclass, which have no rights, it seems.

I have a case agains Microsoft, (or Arvato/Microsoft), and I have been bullied by the Police and the Citizens Advice Bureau, when I’ve tried to get justice against Arvato/Microsoft:

http://www.scribd.com/groups/view/14830-arvato-services-ltd-s-microsoft-scandinavian-product-activation

So I’m not sure if everyone agrees with, that the Police are acting in consent of all the people in Britain.

(Even if I am from Norway).

If so, why are the Police called ‘pigs’ by people that are working-class etc., and why did the sex pistols sing about ‘a fascist regime’.

I suspect that there is some New World Order-stuff going on in Britain and Norway etc., that means that there is an elite, who are protected by the Police and the Government, and that ordinary people have no rights.

This is how it’s beginning to seem to me, at least.

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