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  • Swedish Church in Liverpool to close after 125 years.

    Swedish church to close after 125 years

    Feb 16 2008 by Catherine Jones, Liverpool Echo

    THE future of Liverpool’s Scandinavian seamen’s church was in doubt today after Swedish leaders decided to leave the city.

    The Church of Sweden is switching the focus of its international work to South East Asia and the Americas.

    It plans to close the Park Lane church by the end of 2008. It is not yet known what will happen to the grade II listed building, but it could be sold off.

    That would mean the end of 125 years’ of worship on the site for Liverpool’s Scandinavian and Nordic communities, unless they were able to buy the building.

    Ulf Soderlind, who came to Liverpool last summer from Sweden to be pastor, said the news was “very hard” for his congregation.

    The church has several hundred members, although weekly numbers are between 25 and 40.

    Mr Soderlind said: “Of course the Church of Sweden needs to review its entire activities all over the world. I know there are also more Swedes in North and South America.

    “The rector in London will have responsibility for all Swedes in UK and Ireland.”

    The first Scandinavian settlers came to the area in the 9th Century and the traditional dish of Scouse has its origins as lobskause.

    http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2008/02/16/swedish-church-to-close-after-125-years-100252-20483320/

  • Mer om Svenska Kyrkan i Liverpool. (In Norwegian).

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    Ett inlägg i diskussionen Svenska Kyrkan i Liverpool. Noe galt?
    Det finns svenska kyrkor i väldigt många hamnstäder, dessa var från början ämnade för sjömän att besöka när de kom till de städer där dessa fanns, att ge dem en viss gemenskap och få en träffpunkt med landsmän.

    Under ex 70-talet var dessa relativt välbesökta och aldrig hände det att prästerna på dessa försökte påtvinga någon sin tro, man blev bjuden på kaffe, kunde sitta o lyssna på musik, spela spel, där fanns ex ofta biljardbord och andra saker att förnöja sig med, på några fanns det till och med en liten pub….. Av Sniperess (idag kl 11:00)

    Ordning: Visa inlägg som:

    Sv: ??

    Joda,

    men jeg synes den brosyren er så ‘svettig’.

    De bruker så ladet språk.

    Og fontene er så rare.

    De skriver ‘Tourists and Students’.

    Men ‘Students’ er i ‘bold’, enda de er på samme linje.

    Jeg synes det virker som de prøver å tiltrekke seg de kvinnelige studentene.

    I tillegg, så har jeg lest på hjemmesiden deres, at på studentkveldene, så serverer de salat.

    Salat, og ‘nybakat’.

    Jeg tror det betyr at de bare ønsker at unge kvinnelige studenter skal gå dit.

    Men men.

    Vi kan også ta flaggene.

    Jeg som nordmann, reagerte på flaggene.

    Av to grunner.

    1. Det er mørke ‘skygge’-felter på flaggene.

    2. Det er noe som heter flagglov.

    Det kjenner jeg til, fra å ha bodd i Norge.

    Når det er ekspedisjoner, til Sydpolen f.eks.

    Så har man ikke lov å sette opp en flaggstang, med flaggene til landene som har vært med på ekspedisjonen, under hverandre.

    I følge den flaggloven, som visstnok er internasjonal, så skal alle flagg, henge på samme høyde.

    På brosjyren til Svenska Kyrkan, også kallt ‘Scandinavian Church’, så henger det svenske flagget øverst, og så det norske, og så det finske og så det danske underst.

    Det er uhølig ovenfor de flaggene som henger lavere, enn det øverste.

    Det lærte jeg fra å følge med i nyhetene, om pol-ekspedisjoner osv., i Norge, at det var ikke lov å sette opp en flaggstang, på sydpolen, med det det norske flagget øverst, og så det amerikanske f.eks., hvis en amerikaner var med på ekspedisjonen.

    Det var brudd på en flagglov.

    Og var visst dårlig tone.

    Så når brosjyren er slik, og kirken atpåtil kalles ‘Scandinavian Church’, så synes jeg dette er dårlig tone, med flaggene til de andre nordiske landene.

    Og hvorfor kaller Svenska Kyrkan, Finland, for ‘Scandinavian’.

    Det er merkelig.

    I Norge, så heter det at Norge, og Sverige og Danmark, er i Skandinavia.

    I Norden, så er det Norge, Sverige, Danmark, Finland og Island, har jeg lært.

    Men i England, så sier de jo at Finland er i Skandinavia.

    Men at Svenska Kyrkan skal si det samme, det synes jeg kanskje var litt rart, de burde vel følge svenske regler?

    Hva sier dere forresten i Sverige, er Finland i Skandinavia eller i Norden.

    Med vennlig hilsen

    Erik Ribsskog

    Av johncons (idag kl 12:27)

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  • I was wondering if this folder, given to me, by Michael O’Shaughnessy, on Arvato MSPA, one of the first days there, isn’t looking a bit odd.

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  • Spionert på i Liverpool? (In Norwegian).

    Spionert på i Liverpool? (In Norwegian).

    Nå har jeg bodd i Liverpool, i tre år.

    Og jeg har merket at jeg blir spionert på, flere ganger.

    Blant annet da jeg bodde i Walton, så var det folk som ålte seg opp på taket til et utbygg, i 1. etage, like under vinduet, i rommet jeg hadde i 2. etage.

    Så det lå en kar, noen centimetre fra vinduet mitt, i 2. etg., og kikka inn i et speil, som stod på et skrivebord, og i speilet, så kunne han se meg, som lå i senga med klær på, og slappa av etter en tidligvakt på jobben osv., med lite søvn natta før.

    Og på hostellet jeg bodde på, før jeg flyttet til Walton, så var det folk som spionerte, inn vinduet, til loungen der.

    Som jeg så.

    Og det er også folk som kødder med maten jeg kjøper.

    Enten på Tesco, Saintsburys, McDonalds, Lidl, osv, osv.

    Jeg vet ikke hva de blander i maten, men hvis jeg kjøper noen varer, som ikke er merkevarer. (Men billige own-labels osv).

    Så neste gang, hvis jeg kjøper den samme varen, så hender det, at noen har tulla med varen, og blanda noe dritt i den varen da.

    Som jeg helst ikke vil tenke på hva er.

    Jeg vet ikke hvem det er som gjør dette, men det må vel være noe mob eller noe.

    Så jeg tørr ikke gå til samme matbutikk fast.

    Og jeg kan ikke kjøpe de samme tingene, regelmessig, som jeg er vant til fra Norge.

    Så det er rimelig som et mareritt.

    Og ingen av politiet i noen land jeg har kontaktet, gir noen hjelp.

    Så jeg føler meg ganske sviktet av Norge.

    Jeg satt en ring rundt, en kar, på bildet jeg tok i dag, etter at jeg handla noe mat osv.

    Jeg vet ikke om hvorfor han står der, men jeg blir tracket i butikkene osv.

    Hvis de har en kar stående der.

    Som sier fra, at nå gikk jeg til butikken.

    Så setter butikken fram noen varer som er tullet med, fordi noen har ringt dem og sagt fra at jeg er på vei dit.

    Sånn tror jeg det funker.

    Så jeg tror jeg blir spionert på hver gang jeg går ut døra.

    Men norske myndigheter, er det umulig å få rettighetene sine fra, angående problemer med at jeg ble forsøkt myrdet, av et organisert jaktlag, må jeg nesten kalle dem, på gården til onkelen min, i Kvelde, i Larvik, sommeren 2005.

    Og at jeg har overhørt, på Rimi Bjørndal, i 2003, at jeg er forfulgt av ‘mafian’.

    Men norske myndigheter, er det umulig å få informasjon av.

    Det skal jo være åpenhet, i samfunnet, har jeg hørt politikere snakke om i taler, på Stortinget osv.

    Men en slik åpenhet i samfunnet, er bare en illusjon.

    Det snakkes ikke åpent om en slik ‘mafia’, i hverken pressen, eller hvis man kontakter Kripos, som jeg har gjort.

    Så, det er noe tull med demokratiet i Norge, vil jeg si.

    Fordi demokratiet, er avhengig av åpenhet.

    Men mange sier jo at det er et plutokrati.

    Det vil si et rikmannsvelde, i Norge.

    Og det vil si, at man må være rik, for å få rettighetene sine, og hjelp/informasjon, fra politiet osv.

    Det er ikke sånn det er ment å være i Norge, ifølge Grunnloven og andre lover osv.

    Og dette betyr at vanlige folk ikke har noen rettigheter.

    Om det er noe mafia, og også noe Illuminati, mistenker jeg, som støtter opp om dette rikmansvelde.

    Og hindrer vanlige folk i å få rettighetene sine, ved å angripe, og få i en felle, de av vanlige folk, som prøver å få sine rettigheter.

    Jeg synes det virker som at det er sånn.

    Og Sivilombudsmannen, og hele pakka, er med på leken.

    Som heter kødd maks med de vanlige folka.

    Særlig de som prøver å få kontroll.

    Det sies i FN-kåringer osv., at Norge er det beste landet i verden.

    Men jeg tror ikke Norge er det beste landet i verden, til å hjelpe sine landsmenn, hvis de er i problemer.

    Her har jeg skjønt, fra å bo i England, at her er britene flinke.

    Men norske myndigheter, og presse osv., synes ikke å bry seg noe om slikt.

    Så Norge er nok ikke best på dette.

    Å hjelpe sine innbyggere, og gi de rettighetene som de har fra Grunnloven og annet.

    Men så lenge oljepengene strømmer inn i landet, så bryr folk seg kanskje ikke om detaljer som rettigheter osv.

    Og at myndighetene kødder med vanlige folk.

    Det er mulig.

    Med vennlig hilsen

    Erik Ribsskog

    PS.

    Det er ikke noe hokus-pokus.

    Folk har rettigheter, det er ikke værre enn det.

    Hva er det som er vanskelig å skjønne med det?

    Er rettigheter et for langt ord, sånn at politiet ikke klarer å lese hele ordet?

    Hvorfor lar de bare de dumme folka bli politi?

    De mobber folk som må være ‘tyttebærpoliti’, og være i Securitas.

    Men jeg lurer på om det egentlig er de smarte.

    Og at de blir luket ut, fra opptaket til politihøyskolen, og må heller være vektere.

    Noe er det i hvertfall.

  • Sånn ser det ut i Liverpool, i Dale St. og Leather Lane (hvor jeg bor), en lørdag formiddag. (In Norwegian).

    Sånn ser det ut i Liverpool, i Dale St. og Leather Lane (hvor jeg bor), en lørdag formiddag. (In Norwegian).





  • E-post fra den svenske ambassaden i London. (In Norwegian).







    Google Mail – Svensk dame i problemer i Liverpool?







    Google Mail


    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>



    Svensk dame i problemer i Liverpool?




    eva.sack@foreign.ministry.se

    <eva.sack@foreign.ministry.se>


    Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 3:44 PM





    To:

    Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>



    Hej Erik,

    Tack för e mail. Tyvärr kan jag inte

    öppna –  the attachement. Tyvärr kan inte ambassaden hjälpa dig. Svenska

    medborgare kan kontakta ambassaden direkt för råd och eventuell hjälp.

    Med vänlig hälsning

    Eva Sack

    Embassy of Sweden

    Information

    11 Montagu Place

    London W1H 2AL

    Phone 44 (0) 20 7917 6400

    Direct 44(0) 20 7917 6424/6406

    Would you like to receive the Swedish Embassy monthly newsletter? Please

    send an e-mail to swedishculture@foreign.ministry.se

    "Erik Ribsskog" <eribsskog@gmail.com>



    2008-08-27 14:47

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           eva.sack@foreign.ministry.se

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           Fwd: Svensk dame i problemer i Liverpool?

    Hei,

     

    jeg viser til telefonsamtale nå nettopp, og håper jeg

    har klart å skrive e-post adressen riktig nå.

     

    Med vennlig hilsen

     

    Erik Ribsskog

    ———- Forwarded message ———-

    From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>

    Date: Aug 16, 2008 2:32 PM

    Subject: Fwd: Svensk dame i problemer i Liverpool?

    To: ambassaden.london@foreign.ministry.se

    Hei,

     

    jeg kan ikke se at jeg har mottat noe svar på denne e-posten,

    så jeg prøver å sende den igjen.

     

    Håper dette er i orden!

     

    Med vennlig hilsen

    Erik Ribsskog

    ———- Forwarded message ———-

    From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>

    Date: Aug 8, 2008 5:02 PM

    Subject: Svensk dame i problemer i Liverpool?

    To: ambassaden.london@foreign.ministry.se

    Hei,

     

    jeg pleide å jobbe på Arvato Services Ltd's skandinaviske

    Microsoft-produktaktivering i Liverpool.

     

    Det var det mye problemer, jeg kan legge ved en link.

     

    Jeg hadde mistanke om at det var noe 'mob' i firma, og

    har kontaktet norsk og engelsk politi, og

    også den norske ambassaden, i London.

    Men ingen har gjort noe.

     

    Jeg er litt bekymret for hva som foregikk der, og hva

    som foregår med de nordiske kollegaene mine

    derfra.

    Det var mange svenske og finske medarbeidere der, og norske og også danske

    da.

     

    Nå i det siste, så møtte jeg en britisk dame på byen,

    for noen måneder siden, og da fikk jeg noen

    nye opplysninger, som gjorde at jeg skjønte, at en svensk

    dame, som heter Emelie Wallin, og

    en norsk jente, som heter Kristine Hansen, som jobbet

    på Arvato Services Ltd./Microsoft Scandinavian

    Product Activation, var under kontroll, av en Ire, (som

    også snakker svensk), og som heter

    Michael O'Shaughnessy, som fortalte disse nevnte jentene,

    hvor de skulle sitte, altså han befalte

    de dette, enda han ikke jobbet som leder på kampanjen,

    men var en vanlig medarbeider.

     

    Hun britiske jenta jeg traff på byen, fortalte meg, at

    hun Kristine, ikke var med familien sin,

    da hun studerte i Liverpool, som jeg trodde, og da tenkte

    jeg mer på dette, og da husket

    jeg, at han O'Shaughnessy, hadde fortalt hun svenske Emelie

    Wallin, hvor hun skulle sitte

    osv., og vært nesten som faren hennes da, og det samme

    med hun norske Kristine Hansen.

    Enda jeg ikke tror at hun Emelie, kjente han O'Shaughnessy, da hun begynte

    i jobben.

     

    Men men.

     

    Hun Emelie Wallin, ble forresten plutselig borte fra jobben,

    'home sick', de siste en og en halv

    månedene, som jeg jobbet der.

    Så jeg var litt bekymret for henne, for hun er en veldig pen jente, og

    hun var en god kollaga,

    må jeg vel si, for hun hjalp meg med alle de danske samtalene,

    som jeg fikk overført fra

    lederne, enda svensk-språkelige egentlig ikke skulle svare

    danske samtaler.

    Så da hun plutselig ble borte fra jobben, så mistenkte jeg at noe kunne

    være galt.

    Jeg mistenkte at det var noe 'mob', i firma, og rapporte om dette til pressen

    og Arvato i

    Tyskland osv., etter at en team-leader, på en annen avdeling

    der, hadde fulgt etter meg

    hjem fra jobben.

    Men ingen har gjort noe med dette, jeg har ikke klart å få noe hjelp med

    den saken jeg har,

    angående problemene i firma, hverken av norske eller britiske

    myndigheter.

    Da jeg meldte meg på Facebook, tidligere i år, så søkte jeg på noen av

    kollegaene mine

    i firma, og da fant jeg hun Emelie Wallin der, og da fikk

    jeg telefonnummerne hennes.

     

    Så jeg har prøvd å ringe henne, for å få prate med henne,

    om problemene i firma, og

    hva som egentlig foregikk, det var også en leder, som

    het Ian Womald, som også

    drev og kontrollerte henne, virker det som.

    Så jeg har prøvd å ringe henne, for å møte henne, og prate om problemene

    i firma,

    men det ville hun ikke.

    Hun sier at hun ikke hadde det noe bra da, at hun hadde en del personlige

    problemer

    osv., men at hun hadde det bedre nå.

    Men jeg mistenker at noe kan være galt fremdeles, fordi et par ganger jeg

    har ringt henne,

    så har hun begynt å gråte.

    Nå sist når jeg ringte henne for ca. en måned siden.

     

    Jeg har prøvd å ringe henne, for å møte henne, for å prate

    om dette, vanlig, og ikke over

    telefon da, for å se om hun har det bra osv., siden jeg

    har mistenkt at noe er galt, men jeg

    har ikke klart å få til det.

     

    Og sist jeg ringte, så svarte hun ikke, og hun svarte

    heller ikke på tekstmelding, når jeg

    spurte henne hvorfor hun gråt.

    Så jeg lurer på om hun kan være under kontroll, av noe 'mob', eller noe,

    fremdeles.

     

    Hun sa hun jobbet for Lufthansa nå, med å svare på e-poster

    osv., i the Cotton House, i

    sentrum av Liverpool, for noen måneder siden i hvertfall,

    men hun har også jobbet i mange

    andre firma, også i andre byer, i nærheten av Liverpool,

    så jeg lurer på om det er noe 'mob',

    som driver å sender henne rundt.

     

    Noe sånt.

     

    Og for Lufthansa, så jobbet også mange av de samme nordiske

    damene, som jobbet for

    Microsoft-aktiveringen, drevet av Arvato, i the Cunard

    Building.

     

    Så jeg tror dette må være noe med noe 'mob', eller noe

    slikt, at de kontrollere disse damene da,

    synes jeg det virker som.

    Og jeg tror ikke alt er bra, med hun Emelie Wallin, hverken da hun jobbet

    på Arvato, da dukket

    hun pluteslig opp gråtende i heisen, og når gråter hun

    på telefonen når jeg ringer, og siden

    jeg har tatt dette med norske og britiske myndigheter,

    uten at de gjør noe, så tenkte jeg at

    jeg kunne kontakte den svenske ambassaden i London, siden

    jeg bor i Storbritannia selv,

    så regnet jeg med at det var et sted jeg kunne kontakte

    da.

    Så håper jeg det var i orden, og jeg skal legge ved den nevnte linken.

    Med vennlig hilsen

    Erik Ribsskog

     

    PS.

     

    Her er den nevnte linken, med noen møtereferater osv.,

    fra hva som foregikk hos Aravato/Microsoft,

    her i Liverpool:

     

    http://johncons-mirror.blogspot.com/search/label/Arvato-case

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     






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    It sometimes depends on the area or even it could be down to a particular street or road, certain restricted zones will not allow more than two youths wether it be male or female to hang around, i think the police must have had reason to search these girls, but without any more facts it is difficult to say. Just because they are girls does not mean that they are incapable of committing an offence, some girls that i know from the Liverpool are worse than the lads.


    Well, this was in Dale St., in the center of Liverpool.

    Not far from the Town Hall, and Matthew St., and the discos etc.

    And these people, were just normal people walking on the pavemant, as I could see.

    And they said that the police just frisked everyone.

    I’ve overheard people saying this earlier as well, in Dale St, in the Spar shop, on a Saturday evening.

    That they were just brought in to a Police-car, and had never seen Police like that.

    Seemed like ordinary people going out to me, on both occations.

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    I was maybe a bit inpolite, in asking them why the Police looked through their stuff, but it was a Saturday night, and I was a bit curious.

    Then one of them explained, that the Police just ‘frisked everone’, and the otherone complained, to the first one, that she was getting a headache, I think she said, so I don’t think these girls acted like criminals.

    So I thought this was a bit akward.

    Is it ok for the Police to stop, and frisk, people who are just walking on the pavement.

    In Norway, where I’m from.

    I worked a lot, as a shop-manager, in Norway.

    And I lived in a small flat, which I rented from my employer, (Rimi/Ica), and the fridge didn’t work, and they didn’t want to change it.

    So before I got to buy a new fridge, then I sometimes, used to drive, to a petrol-station etc., at night, to buy a snack, or some food.

    And then the Police in Oslo, would stop you, for no reason at all.

    And ask for your drivers-licence, and once when I was tired from work, then they asked me to go out of the car, to look at my pupils etc.

    They must have thought I was a criminal or something, when all I did, was to drive to 7-eleven, to buy some food etc., or I drove my brother home, once, when he had been visiting me.

    And then for no reason at all, the Police are going drive behind you, and ask you to stop.

    They call it ‘rutine kontroll’, thats ‘routine-control’.

    So it’s maybe so, that the Police in eighter Norway or Britain, don’t need any reason, to stop you, and go through your stuff, or your car etc.

    It’s not in America, I guess, where the Police aren’t allowed to just stop people walking on the pavement, or just driving a car, if I’ve understood it right, that is.


    It sounds by what you have described that the police seemed to be looking for something in particular, possibly they had information whereas they deemed it necessary to stop and search, and i am pretty certain that they have the authority to stop and search anybody they choose as long as they have just cause to do so. but i still think that they need the persons permission to do so.

    I suppose as you stated the routine control in Oslo must be a similar variation of upholding the law as to what you witnessed in Liverpool.

    It does appear unfair from your point of view i suppose, but have you lived in the Liverpool area for a while, or are you fairly new to the area, because once you understand the people and the area you will soon become accustomed to why the police act this way, as it is normally a case of they are normally searching for drugs and weapons, and in Liverpool both drugs and weapons are usually high profile causes. I don’t know wether this information helps you in anyway to understand why the police do a stop and search, but i do hope it will assist you in some way.


    Yes,

    that’s what I meant, that in Norway, you can be stoped by the Police, for driving on the street, and in Britain you can be stoped by the Police, for walking on the pavement, where as, in America, the Police can’t stop you, without ‘probable cause’, or something similar.

    I was just reflecting a bit around this.

    But now it’s clear to me, that the UK police, don’t need probable cause, to frisk someone.

    So thanks very much for help with finding out about that!

    I walked around the block, and then I saw the same two Police-officers standing outside of the discos in Eberle St., I think that lane is called.

    So I don’t think they were on some mission of any kind, other than to patrol the streets, on a Saturday night.

    And the girls said that they just ‘frisked everyone’.

    And I haven’t the police act like this, in other cities.

    It was also the incident, in Matthew St., a couple of months ago, that I posted about, a couple of weeks ago, when I first heard of this site.

    I’ve been living in Liverpool, for three years now, in Walton, and in the city centre, and I think normal people usually behave very polite and fine here.

    I can’t remember seeing a single fight, when I’ve been going out.

    I think the guns and that, is more in the suburbs in Liverpool?

    I can’t remember hearing of any shooting-incidents, in the city center of Liverpool.

    So I think the way the police in this city acts, is a bit strange, from having lived in Oslo for many years, and also in Sunderland.

    In the incident in Matthew St., it looked like the police were practically raping the girl.

    (Look at the post I posted some weeks ago).

    And in the link to the case I have against Arvato/Microsoft, there one can see, that the Merseyside Police, call me ‘Miss Erik Ribsskog’, and they also lied, and said that the Citizens Advice Bureaux, was Government, when it’s a charity.

    And they are having phoney e-mail-adresses, and are acting at bullies, in the meetings etc, I’d say.

    So I’m not that convinced about the Merseyside Police, so that’s why I’m posting about these incidents.

    Thanks again for the information about the British Police in your comment!

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    Zero tolerance for walking on the pavement?


    It sometimes depends on the area or even it could be down to a particular street or road, certain restricted zones will not allow more than two youths wether it be male or female to hang around, i think the police must have had reason to search these girls, but without any more facts it is difficult to say. Just because they are girls does not mean that they are incapable of committing an offence, some girls that i know from the Liverpool are worse than the lads.


    Well, this was in Dale St., in the center of Liverpool.

    Not far from the Town Hall, and Matthew St., and the discos etc.

    And these people, were just normal people walking on the pavemant, as I could see.

    And they said that the police just frisked everyone.

    I’ve overheard people saying this earlier as well, in Dale St, in the Spar shop, on a Saturday evening.

    That they were just brought in to a Police-car, and had never seen Police like that.

    Seemed like ordinary people going out to me, on both occations.

    The girls, who had got their bags looked through by the Police, acted polite.

    I was maybe a bit inpolite, in asking them why the Police looked through their stuff, but it was a Saturday night, and I was a bit curious.

    Then one of them explained, that the Police just ‘frisked everone’, and the otherone complained, to the first one, that she was getting a headache, I think she said, so I don’t think these girls acted like criminals.

    So I thought this was a bit akward.

    Is it ok for the Police to stop, and frisk, people who are just walking on the pavement.

    In Norway, where I’m from.

    I worked a lot, as a shop-manager, in Norway.

    And I lived in a small flat, which I rented from my employer, (Rimi/Ica), and the fridge didn’t work, and they didn’t want to change it.

    So before I got to buy a new fridge, then I sometimes, used to drive, to a petrol-station etc., at night, to buy a snack, or some food.

    And then the Police in Oslo, would stop you, for no reason at all.

    And ask for your drivers-licence, and once when I was tired from work, then they asked me to go out of the car, to look at my pupils etc.

    They must have thought I was a criminal or something, when all I did, was to drive to 7-eleven, to buy some food etc., or I drove my brother home, once, when he had been visiting me.

    And then for no reason at all, the Police are going drive behind you, and ask you to stop.

    They call it ‘rutine kontroll’, thats ‘routine-control’.

    So it’s maybe so, that the Police in eighter Norway or Britain, don’t need any reason, to stop you, and go through your stuff, or your car etc.

    It’s not in America, I guess, where the Police aren’t allowed to just stop people walking on the pavement, or just driving a car, if I’ve understood it right, that is.


    It sounds by what you have described that the police seemed to be looking for something in particular, possibly they had information whereas they deemed it necessary to stop and search, and i am pretty certain that they have the authority to stop and search anybody they choose as long as they have just cause to do so. but i still think that they need the persons permission to do so.

    I suppose as you stated the routine control in Oslo must be a similar variation of upholding the law as to what you witnessed in Liverpool.

    It does appear unfair from your point of view i suppose, but have you lived in the Liverpool area for a while, or are you fairly new to the area, because once you understand the people and the area you will soon become accustomed to why the police act this way, as it is normally a case of they are normally searching for drugs and weapons, and in Liverpool both drugs and weapons are usually high profile causes. I don’t know wether this information helps you in anyway to understand why the police do a stop and search, but i do hope it will assist you in some way.


    Yes,

    that’s what I meant, that in Norway, you can be stoped by the Police, for driving on the street, and in Britain you can be stoped by the Police, for walking on the pavement, where as, in America, the Police can’t stop you, without ‘probable cause’, or something similar.

    I was just reflecting a bit around this.

    But now it’s clear to me, that the UK police, don’t need probable cause, to frisk someone.

    So thanks very much for help with finding out about that!

    I walked around the block, and then I saw the same two Police-officers standing outside of the discos in Eberle St., I think that lane is called.

    So I don’t think they were on some mission of any kind, other than to patrol the streets, on a Saturday night.

    And the girls said that they just ‘frisked everyone’.

    And I haven’t the police act like this, in other cities.

    It was also the incident, in Matthew St., a couple of months ago, that I posted about, a couple of weeks ago, when I first heard of this site.

    I’ve been living in Liverpool, for three years now, in Walton, and in the city centre, and I think normal people usually behave very polite and fine here.

    I can’t remember seeing a single fight, when I’ve been going out.

    I think the guns and that, is more in the suburbs in Liverpool?

    I can’t remember hearing of any shooting-incidents, in the city center of Liverpool.

    So I think the way the police in this city acts, is a bit strange, from having lived in Oslo for many years, and also in Sunderland.

    In the incident in Matthew St., it looked like the police were practically raping the girl.

    (Look at the post I posted some weeks ago).

    And in the link to the case I have against Arvato/Microsoft, there one can see, that the Merseyside Police, call me ‘Miss Erik Ribsskog’, and they also lied, and said that the Citizens Advice Bureaux, was Government, when it’s a charity.

    And they are having phoney e-mail-adresses, and are acting at bullies, in the meetings etc, I’d say.

    So I’m not that convinced about the Merseyside Police, so that’s why I’m posting about these incidents.

    Thanks again for the information about the British Police in your comment!


    No problem mate you are welcome.

    Take care.

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    Quoted comment by fozzy5000: i would be happy to be searched by police if it means that they are trying to keep gun and knife crime down. i got nothing to hide so why should i give a fuck if 2 mins of my time is waisted. its catch 22 for the cops if they serach too many ppl its harrasment and they get fucked over and if they dont search enogh ppl and someone gets stabbed then they have not donethere job well enough. i am pretty sure cops dont carry crystal balls so they just have to search as many ppl as possible to make sure they get the bad guys. if your inconvienienced then tough shit. rather that than be stabbed on a night out eh!


    Why don’t you move to china then. Here in the USA, I will do everything to protect the rights of myself, and my kids. It’s this kind of attitude that starts the cracks in the system, and next thing you know, you are living under martial law.

    You people have been scared into submission. I pity you all.


    so let me quess, your one of these retards that think we dont need a legal system, dont need cops and so on. are you fucking retarded or what. I have kids aswell and i would rather be stopped and searched and come away clean than see the police not want to stop and searches becasue they are worried some fucking pipsqeek like you is going to get offended that your human rights have been breached by someone that wants to make the streets a safer place for everyone. Its ppl like YOU that ruin our contries, not ppl like me.


    Well, here in America, we have something called probable cause, as well as illegal search and seizure. You brits gave that up years ago, along with your guns. No wonder GB is becoming a muslim state. In 10 years, all your crooked teethed women will be wearing burqas. LOL


    fuck probable cause. just get it over and one with, treat me nice but with saftey first in mind and i dont give a fuck. i got nothing to hide. and as for our crooked toothed women, at least our women have teeth and dont all weigh about half a ton. Crawl back into your hole and stfu. the prob with america is the fact that everyone is too scared to do fuck all about the crims as they are to scared of the repurcusions. here they just get on with it. Although i do agree that we are turning into a muslim state but hopefully something will happen and that will be sorted.


    So you miss or ignore the many stories about criminals getting shot by the ordinary folks over here.


    I probably shouldn’t write this, since I’m from Norway.

    But in Britain, the Police, chased a Brazilian through London, an on to the tube, where they executed him.

    And he was just a normal guy.

    So I’m not sure if everything is like it should be, with the Police here.


    He was not a normal guy, he was an illegal immigrant who refused to stop when armed police asked him to. He then ran onto a packed tube train where he could have set off an explosive device. The idiot who shouldn’t have even been here should’ve stopped when the police asked him to.

    This is not the normal behaviour of British police nor is it a common occurrence. You seem extremely paranoid.


    If he wasn’t a normal guy, why did they let his family come over, and look at the murder-scene etc., like I saw on TV?


    A normal guy in Britain is a British citizen, the man in question was not. His family were invited because his death was a public relations disaster for the authorities.

    My point still stands; this is not the normal behaviour of British police nor is it a common occurrence.


    You make it sound like it’s ok for the Police to occationally execute some normal people on the tube if they aren’t British citizens.

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    Quoted comment by fozzy5000: i would be happy to be searched by police if it means that they are trying to keep gun and knife crime down. i got nothing to hide so why should i give a fuck if 2 mins of my time is waisted. its catch 22 for the cops if they serach too many ppl its harrasment and they get fucked over and if they dont search enogh ppl and someone gets stabbed then they have not donethere job well enough. i am pretty sure cops dont carry crystal balls so they just have to search as many ppl as possible to make sure they get the bad guys. if your inconvienienced then tough shit. rather that than be stabbed on a night out eh!


    Why don’t you move to china then. Here in the USA, I will do everything to protect the rights of myself, and my kids. It’s this kind of attitude that starts the cracks in the system, and next thing you know, you are living under martial law.

    You people have been scared into submission. I pity you all.


    so let me quess, your one of these retards that think we dont need a legal system, dont need cops and so on. are you fucking retarded or what. I have kids aswell and i would rather be stopped and searched and come away clean than see the police not want to stop and searches becasue they are worried some fucking pipsqeek like you is going to get offended that your human rights have been breached by someone that wants to make the streets a safer place for everyone. Its ppl like YOU that ruin our contries, not ppl like me.


    Well, here in America, we have something called probable cause, as well as illegal search and seizure. You brits gave that up years ago, along with your guns. No wonder GB is becoming a muslim state. In 10 years, all your crooked teethed women will be wearing burqas. LOL


    fuck probable cause. just get it over and one with, treat me nice but with saftey first in mind and i dont give a fuck. i got nothing to hide. and as for our crooked toothed women, at least our women have teeth and dont all weigh about half a ton. Crawl back into your hole and stfu. the prob with america is the fact that everyone is too scared to do fuck all about the crims as they are to scared of the repurcusions. here they just get on with it. Although i do agree that we are turning into a muslim state but hopefully something will happen and that will be sorted.


    So you miss or ignore the many stories about criminals getting shot by the ordinary folks over here.


    I probably shouldn’t write this, since I’m from Norway.

    But in Britain, the Police, chased a Brazilian through London, an on to the tube, where they executed him.

    And he was just a normal guy.

    So I’m not sure if everything is like it should be, with the Police here.


    He was not a normal guy, he was an illegal immigrant who refused to stop when armed police asked him to. He then ran onto a packed tube train where he could have set off an explosive device. The idiot who shouldn’t have even been here should’ve stopped when the police asked him to.

    This is not the normal behaviour of British police nor is it a common occurrence. You seem extremely paranoid.


    If he wasn’t a normal guy, why did they let his family come over, and look at the murder-scene etc., like I saw on TV?


    A normal guy in Britain is a British citizen, the man in question was not. His family were invited because his death was a public relations disaster for the authorities.

    My point still stands; this is not the normal behaviour of British police nor is it a common occurrence.


    You make it sound like it’s ok for the Police to occationally execute some normal people on the tube if they aren’t British citizens.


    I’m beginning to understand why I’m just being f*cked around by the British Police, it’s because I’m from Norway, and not a British Citizen.

    And the Norwegian Government, is f*cking me around as well.

    It doesn’t seem like the Government in eighter Norway or Britain have any respect for peoples rights.

    That’s my view at least, after what has been going on.

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    Zero tolerance for walking on the pavement?


    It sometimes depends on the area or even it could be down to a particular street or road, certain restricted zones will not allow more than two youths wether it be male or female to hang around, i think the police must have had reason to search these girls, but without any more facts it is difficult to say. Just because they are girls does not mean that they are incapable of committing an offence, some girls that i know from the Liverpool are worse than the lads.


    Well, this was in Dale St., in the center of Liverpool.

    Not far from the Town Hall, and Matthew St., and the discos etc.

    And these people, were just normal people walking on the pavemant, as I could see.

    And they said that the police just frisked everyone.

    I’ve overheard people saying this earlier as well, in Dale St, in the Spar shop, on a Saturday evening.

    That they were just brought in to a Police-car, and had never seen Police like that.

    Seemed like ordinary people going out to me, on both occations.

    The girls, who had got their bags looked through by the Police, acted polite.

    I was maybe a bit inpolite, in asking them why the Police looked through their stuff, but it was a Saturday night, and I was a bit curious.

    Then one of them explained, that the Police just ‘frisked everone’, and the otherone complained, to the first one, that she was getting a headache, I think she said, so I don’t think these girls acted like criminals.

    So I thought this was a bit akward.

    Is it ok for the Police to stop, and frisk, people who are just walking on the pavement.

    In Norway, where I’m from.

    I worked a lot, as a shop-manager, in Norway.

    And I lived in a small flat, which I rented from my employer, (Rimi/Ica), and the fridge didn’t work, and they didn’t want to change it.

    So before I got to buy a new fridge, then I sometimes, used to drive, to a petrol-station etc., at night, to buy a snack, or some food.

    And then the Police in Oslo, would stop you, for no reason at all.

    And ask for your drivers-licence, and once when I was tired from work, then they asked me to go out of the car, to look at my pupils etc.

    They must have thought I was a criminal or something, when all I did, was to drive to 7-eleven, to buy some food etc., or I drove my brother home, once, when he had been visiting me.

    And then for no reason at all, the Police are going drive behind you, and ask you to stop.

    They call it ‘rutine kontroll’, thats ‘routine-control’.

    So it’s maybe so, that the Police in eighter Norway or Britain, don’t need any reason, to stop you, and go through your stuff, or your car etc.

    It’s not in America, I guess, where the Police aren’t allowed to just stop people walking on the pavement, or just driving a car, if I’ve understood it right, that is.

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    Why don’t you move to china then. Here in the USA, I will do everything to protect the rights of myself, and my kids. It’s this kind of attitude that starts the cracks in the system, and next thing you know, you are living under martial law.

    You people have been scared into submission. I pity you all.


    so let me quess, your one of these retards that think we dont need a legal system, dont need cops and so on. are you fucking retarded or what. I have kids aswell and i would rather be stopped and searched and come away clean than see the police not want to stop and searches becasue they are worried some fucking pipsqeek like you is going to get offended that your human rights have been breached by someone that wants to make the streets a safer place for everyone. Its ppl like YOU that ruin our contries, not ppl like me.


    Well, here in America, we have something called probable cause, as well as illegal search and seizure. You brits gave that up years ago, along with your guns. No wonder GB is becoming a muslim state. In 10 years, all your crooked teethed women will be wearing burqas. LOL


    fuck probable cause. just get it over and one with, treat me nice but with saftey first in mind and i dont give a fuck. i got nothing to hide. and as for our crooked toothed women, at least our women have teeth and dont all weigh about half a ton. Crawl back into your hole and stfu. the prob with america is the fact that everyone is too scared to do fuck all about the crims as they are to scared of the repurcusions. here they just get on with it. Although i do agree that we are turning into a muslim state but hopefully something will happen and that will be sorted.


    So you miss or ignore the many stories about criminals getting shot by the ordinary folks over here.


    I probably shouldn’t write this, since I’m from Norway.

    But in Britain, the Police, chased a Brazilian through London, an on to the tube, where they executed him.

    And he was just a normal guy.

    So I’m not sure if everything is like it should be, with the Police here.


    He was not a normal guy, he was an illegal immigrant who refused to stop when armed police asked him to. He then ran onto a packed tube train where he could have set off an explosive device. The idiot who shouldn’t have even been here should’ve stopped when the police asked him to.

    This is not the normal behaviour of British police nor is it a common occurrence. You seem extremely paranoid.


    If he wasn’t a normal guy, why did they let his family come over, and look at the murder-scene etc., like I saw on TV?

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    I’m a bit concerned with what this with the Police and the doughnuts really is about.

    Is it some kind of metaphor?


    In the U.S., it’s just kind of a running joke that cops take their breaks at doughnut shops. The joke was that whenever you need a cop, they’re never around, because they’re off eating doughnuts somewhere.

    People would even joke that if you got pulled over for speeding, if you had doughnuts with you, you could bribe the cop out of giving you a ticket. There’s absolutely no truth to it at all though. It’s an extreme exaggeration, which just kind of took off as a joke about cops.


    Ok,

    I thought it was a bit strange that the Police always are eating doghnuts in movies etc.

    The doughnuts in Norway, are maybe a bit simpler than the American ones.

    The Norwegian doughnuts, have a hole in them, so there is a joke that you can’t eat the hole in the ‘smultring’, like they are called in Norway.

    So I thought that this with the Police and the doughnuts, in the movies etc., maybe could be some kind of metaphor.

    But it could be that I’m wrong, of course.

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