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Stikkord: New World Order?

  • Rar gubbe fra ute i Skedsmo der. (In Norwegian).

    På den Facebook-gruppen, for hun norske dama, som ble myrdet i London.

    Så forklarte jeg noe jeg visste, om naboen hennes, Hallvard Flatland.

    Jeg fortalte, at jeg selv, bodde i Larvik på 70-tallet, sammen med muttern og søstra mi og stefattern, Arne Thormod, og halvbroren min Axel, han ble født i 78, men flytta derfra i 79, men jeg dro jo å besøkte dem sånn en gang i måneden omtrent, fram til 82 ca. når søstra mi flytta til Berger.

    Jeg flytta til Berger i 79, og bodde der til 89.

    Fattern plasserte meg i en leilighet for meg selv.

    I 89 flytta jeg til Oslo, for å studere på høyskole, NHI.

    Jeg var litt skolelei, det var ganske tørt programmering og systemutviklingsteori osv.

    Så jeg trengte et hvileår, når jeg ville jobbe, for å få litt fri fra kjedelige studier, og forhåpentligvis spare opp litt penger.

    Da søstra mi, flytta fra muttern, til faren vår, i 82, så flytta Axel, til faren sin, Arne Thormod, og Mette, i Parkveien i Oslo vel.

    Da jeg flytta til Oslo, i 89, for å studere, så bodde de i Høybråtenveien, med Furuset T-banestasjon, som nærmeste T-bane, i Oslo.

    Jeg tenkte jo, at siden jeg bodde i Oslo.

    Og jeg visste jeg hadde en yngre bror, eller halvbror i Oslo, Axel.

    Og siden jeg egentlig ikke kjente noen i Oslo.

    Untatt tremenningen min Øystein, som bodde i Lørenskog.

    Så da dro jeg å besøkte bruttern og dem da.

    Han var jo mye yngre enn meg, jeg var vel 19 og bruttern var vel 10.

    Og vi hadde ikke hatt så mye kontakt.

    Men han var vel ute oss vårs på Bergeråsen, en ferie, noen år før, mener jeg å huske.

    Så han kjente igjen meg da.

    Så prøvde jeg å hjelpe han med lekser osv. da.

    Foreldra hans var vel på bingoen eller travbanen.

    Men jeg dro dit kanskje en gang i måneden eller noe da, og hilste på dem, mens jeg studerte, siden jeg ikke hadde noe særlig familie eller venner i Oslo.

    Så når dem fikk vite at jeg skulle ta et friår da.

    Så nevnte dem, at dem hadde tilbudt søstra mi, Pia, å få bo hos dem, hvis hu passa på Axel.

    Axel hadde MBD, og var hyperaktiv, så han var litt slitsom.

    Dem hadde jo dårlig råd, for Arne Thormod, hadde jo gått konkurs, på slutten av jappe-tida, som var like før, som veldig mange i Norge hadde gjort egentlig.

    Så jeg foreslo, at kanskje jeg kunne leie det rommet, som søstra mi skulle ha bodd i da.

    For 1000 kr. månenden, eller noe, så kunne jeg sikker prøve å passe litt på Axel innimellom og, i hvertfall prøve å hjelpe med leksene.

    Fordi jeg hadde jo tenkt å spare opp penger, til 2. året på høyskolen.

    Og jeg hadde jo ikke noe jobb enda da, så det var fordel for meg, å ha et sted det var billig å bo.

    Så gikk jeg på arbeidsformidlinga da.

    For det var litt nedgangstid, fordi jappetida var nettopp ferdig, og det hadde vært børskrakk, et par år før vel.

    Dette var høsten 1990.

    Jeg fikk en praksisplass, i Norsk Hagetidend, med forskjellig kontorarbeid, på Grønland.

    Og jeg jobba også en del på lageret dems på Tøyen, og hjalp en ganske artig, litt eldre kar, fra Østfold vel, som dreiv og sendte pakker og sånn der.

    Så jeg lærte litt om drive sånn lager nesten, for han forklarte alt mulig.

    Ikke så mye da, men jeg lærte litt.

    Også var jeg med å satte opp standen, til Det Norske Hageselskap, på landsbruksmessa, ute på ei slette, Hellerudsletta, ute i Skedsmo vel.

    Men han jeg var med der, han var veldig sur, så det var ikke så artig.

    Og jeg var på Stortinget, for å hente statsbudsjettet, før pressen fikk det, høsten 90.

    Siden de her på Hageselskapet, kjente noen på Stortinget da, dem hadde sine kontakter.

    Og jeg var på Botanisk Hage, for å hente noe kamera og sånn, som Norsk Hagetidend, hadde lagt igjen der da.

    Og da trodde vel alle at jeg var fotograf da, når jeg gikk gjennom byen med det proffe kamera.

    Men samme det.

    Men det var variert og artig jobb da.

    Men det var sånn praksisplass, og da fikk man bare 4000 i måneden.

    Og jeg pleide å lage middag til meg og Axel osv.

    Og jeg hadde jo den uvanen fra russetida osv., at jeg hadde begynt å røyke.

    Og vi festa fælt i russetida, og året etter, så jeg var vant til å ha masse penger.

    Det var en kar som var ofte gjest i huset på Furuset der, som het Svein Martinsen.

    Og som ofte vanka mye på travbanen.

    Og Axel var jo 10 år, og de som kjenner han, de veit hvordan han er.

    Han er litt frekk i kjeften noen ganger.

    Han har det vel etter Mette, tror jeg, stemora hans.

    Da fikk jo jeg høre om Svein Martinsen, at når han var på Matland, på Triaden-senteret.

    Som nå heter OBS Lørenskog.

    Da kjøpte han vel alltid hele vogna full.

    Og så gikk han til kjøttdisken (hvor jeg seinere jobba en del lørdagsvakter).

    Så sa han, til slutt, og så noen hekto roastbiff til katta osv.

    Så han kjøpte hele butikken, og roastbiff til katta og.

    Og han hadde en datter som het Angelica.

    Som Axel gjorde et poeng av navnet da.

    Det er visst blitt populært i det siste det navnet.

    Og på travbanen, når dem satt i resturanten på Bjerke der, sa Axel, så ga han alltid mye driks, og var stor mann, og ga Axel, som var snørris en seddel da, så han kunne kjøpe seg noe is eller brus eller noe da.

    Og Martinsen og kona, var ofte gjester der dem bodde.

    En gang, så fortalte Martinsen.

    Noe om forbrukersamvirke.

    Døtrene hans, Angelica og hu andre, var forresten innom OBS en gang, når jeg jobba der, og så veldig rart på meg, når jeg satt i kassa.

    Hu så litt sur ut hu Angelica, eller om det var hu andre.

    Samme det.

    Noe om forbrukersamvirke ja.

    Jo, det var en sjef der, som hadde slutta da.

    Så hadde det blitt kaos på fryselageret eller kjølelageret, eller hva det var, hvor de dyreskrottene, hadde hengt.

    Så de hadde mista kontrollen, og strømmen hadde gått.

    Og ingen kontrollrutiner hadde vært oppe og kjøre, av en eller annen anledning.

    Så det hadde gått mark i skrottene.

    Så da sa den ene Forbrukersamvirke-sjefen, til de andre.

    Ikke tenk på det, jeg skal ordne det.

    Og uka etter, så var det tilbud på godt krydret grillkjøtt, i alle forbrukersamvirke-butikkene.

    Og han her Martinsen, han kjøpte en klesforretning, rundt 1990.

    Harda Klær, i Lillestrøm, var det vel.

    Og han begynte å sponse Hallvard Flatlands program, Casino.

    Så på slutten av Casino, som vi pleide å se på, så kunne man se, at Birgitte Seyfarts klær, var sponset av Harda Klær.

    Og jeg tror Arne Thormod, kanskje kjente han Kjells Markiser karen.

    Og jeg mistenker, at Svein Martinsen, og Flattland, kan ha møtes på Bjerke f.eks.

    Og Flatland, ble jo senere avslørt for noe kriminalitet, med hester eller noe, tror jeg, så han måtte slutte om tv-presanterer.

    Så jeg lurer på, om hun norske jenta, som ble drept i London, kunne ha vært fanget i noe nett, i forbindelse med noe internasjonalt kriminelt nettverk, noe New World Order greier, f.eks. som Flatland kan ha vært med i.

    Det var rart, synes jeg, at de brunette-døtrene, var dem vel, Angelica og hu andre.

    Axel likte ikke hu Angelica, tror jeg.

    Det var rart at dem kikka så rart på meg, da jeg jobba i kassa på OBS.

    Det var Martinsen, som sa til meg det, at dem trengte folk der.

    Jeg hadde jo jobba deltid på CC Storkjøp i Drammen.

    Fordi når jeg begynte i 3. klasse på VGS.

    Så kom jeg inn på en sånn spesialordning.

    De ti beste søkerne fra Vestfold, kunne få lov å gå på studier i Buskerud.

    Fylkene hadde en samarbeidsavtale.

    Jeg hadde jo bra karakterer fra Markedsføringslinja, bare 4-ere og 5-ere.

    Så jeg kom inn på Datalinja, på Gjerde i Drammen, siden jeg var en av de ti beste fra Vestfold fylke, som søkte skole i Buskerud fylke.

    For dem hadde ikke datalinje på Sande VGS, hvor jeg gikk 1. og 2. året.

    Men siden jeg kom inn på den her ordninga, så fikk jeg gratis busskort også til og med, fra Drammen til Bergeråsen, så det var ganske kult.

    Ei annen, fra Svelvik i klassen, det var en delt markedsføring og dataklasse.

    Monica Johansen, eller noe vel.

    Datter av ei lærerinne, fra Nord-Norge, som jeg hadde i data, på Svelvik Ungdomsskole.

    Og hu mora, var blidere enn datra, synes jeg.

    Men samme det.

    Men hu, Monica da, hu måtte melde adresseforrandring til tanta si i Drammen, for å få studere på Gjerde.

    Men jeg hadde så bra karakterer, selv om jeg ikke tok skolen så alvorlig, jeg skulka nesten en dag i uka.

    For jeg bodde aleine, og var mye nedfor, og var litt upopulær, og sleit litt med at jeg var pinglete og ble litt mobba og sånn da.

    Selv om det var mye værre på ungdomsskolen.

    Og jeg hadde masse andre interesser, enn skole, data, elektronikk, fotball, kjøre båt på fjorden, skyte med luftgevær i skogen, og mye forskjellig da.

    Men pleide alltid å være en av de to-tre beste i klassen, selv om jeg stort sett ga faen.

    Så for å skryte litt da.

    Så kom jeg inn på Gjerde, uten at jeg behøvde å melde adresseforrandring, til vannsengbutikken til fattern og Haldis, på Strømsø, f.eks.

    Selv om de lappene, hvor man fikk beskjed om at man var kommet inn, havnet nede i postkassa til Haldis, så det var bare flaks jeg fant dem, en fra Sande og en fra Gjerde.

    Jeg tulla litt med de i Sande, så jeg meldte ikke fra, at jeg skulle gå 3. året i Drammen, jeg måtte ha det litt artig med dem synes jeg.

    For jeg fant alltid på masse vitser osv. hele tida, jeg prøvde å være morsom da.

    I 2. klasse der.

    Og hun Kristin Sola, hun fortalte meg seinere, mener jeg å huske, at da dukka Trond Gurrik, fra Holmestrand, opp i klassen i Sande igjen, siden jeg ikke tok plassen.

    Han gikk der i 2. klasse og.

    Han var vel ikke så skoleflink da, men han var god i idrett, og spilte håndball osv.

    Og jeg husker en gang, som jeg finta meg forbi han, når vi spilte fotball i gymtimen.

    Det var artig, for han var dobbelt så stor som meg da, så det var gøy.

    Jeg bare tråkka på ballen, og stoppa opp, og så spilte ballen fram igjen, og løp etter ballen da.

    Så jeg var vel kvikkere i beina enn han da.

    Men skuddet gikk ikke inn.

    Men samme det.

    Men da jeg skulle kjøpe bøker på Gjerde.

    Så så jeg en lapp fra Arnt Lund, tvillingbroren til Eirik Lund, og broren til Ronald Lund, i klassen min, på Berger og i Svelvik, fra 3. til 9. klasse.

    Og Arnt og Eirik, var et år eldre enn meg.

    Og dem, i hvertfall Eirik, hadde jeg spillt fotball med, på Berger IL, siden jeg spilte der, på lilleputt, og smågutter og guttelaget vel.

    Og jeg kjøpte også luftgeværet dems, som dem hadde skutt Odd Einar Pettersen med i beinet.

    Jeg tror det var før 16. mai, i 8. eller 9. klasse.

    Da alle trengte penger, til å feste i Svelvik, for da var det stor fest.

    Og jeg fikk alltid masse penger av fattern, til mat osv., siden jeg bodde aleine, så jeg hadde alltid masse 100-lapper, liggende, i et tre-skrin, som fattern hadde lagd, på rommet.

    Kanskje i gjennomsnitt 10 hundrelapper da, minst, pleide det å ligge der.

    Det var før jeg begynte å røyke osv.

    Og det var aldri tomt.

    Jeg hadde sånn buffer-lager.

    Jeg veit ikke om fattern visste om det her men.

    Samme det.

    Ulf Havmo, fra klassen, visste om det her.

    En gang, så skulle han låne 300.

    Jeg sa det var greit.

    Vi var egentlig uvenner da.

    Han skulle banke meg opp.

    Og lå med ryggen mot veggen i gangen, i leiligheten min.

    Og sparka meg i magan, skikkelig hardt.

    Jeg lurte på om han prøvde å ødelegge noen involler eller noe.

    Nå da.

    Da trodde jeg bare det var noe slåssing, som jeg ikke skjønte noe av.

    Vi slåss skikkelig før det.

    Han var kraftigere, men jeg pleide ikke å gi meg så lett.

    Men så fikk han overtaket til slutt, likevel.

    Og da sparka han meg i magan, som jeg forklarte da, skikkelig hard.

    Han lå med ryggen mot veggen, og dytta beina inn i magan min, så hardt han kunne da.

    Så det gjorde rimelig vondt.

    Jeg mistenker nå, at det kan ha vært noe plan, om å prøve å kverke meg, eller noe.

    Siden det virka rart, at han plutselig skulle kaste seg over meg, og banke meg, når jeg skulle sleppe han ut døra.

    En gang på Bergeråsen, i 79 må det vel ha vært.

    Like før jeg flytta dit vel, eller på samme tida.

    Så hadde Petter og Christian Grønli, leika i hagan dems, i Havnehagen 4, eller 6, eller hva det var.

    Med yngste sønnen til Ruth Furuheim, eller Furuset, eller hva dem heter.

    Så hadde Petter og Christian, gått inn for å spise, eller noe.

    Så hadde snøhula rast sammen.

    Over han sønnen til Ruth da.

    Så han døde, for han lå under snøen lenge.

    Og mora til Petter og Christian, hu døde et års tid kanskje vel, etterpå.

    Som jeg har skrevet om før på bloggen.

    Jeg ble kamerat med Petter og Christian, et års tid, før mora dems døde, og dem flytta til faren sin i Mexico.

    Og da bygde dem snøhule, husker jeg, utafor huset til bestemora mi.

    Like ved de sure rips, og de sure plommene.

    På nordsida av huset da, mot Svelvik osv.

    Og da mener jeg å huske, at dem skulle ha meg til å gå inn i snøhula.

    Men jeg ville ikke inn den der trange, ganske lange gropa av ei snøhule med huet først.

    Nei det stod jeg vel over ja.

    Så det ble ikke noe av.

    Jeg mener klart at det var sånn.

    Selv om jeg ikke har tatt det opp med noen før.

    Det her må vel ha vært vinteren 80, kan jeg tenke meg. Eller muligens 79, eller 81, selv om jeg ikke husker om jeg kjente dem så tidlig som vinteren 79, og jeg tror mora dems døde vinteren 81, selv om jeg ikke skal si det her for sikkert da.

    Men samme det.

    Jeg så lappen til Arnt, som han like utafor klasserommet vårt vel, på Gjerdes VGS.

    At Arnt skulle selge handel og kontor bøkene sine, fra året før, når han gikk 3. klasse på gjerde.

    Så jeg kjente jo igjen navnet hans, Arnt Lund, så jeg ringte han vel da.

    Så sa han, at jeg måtte gå bort på CC Storkjøp, for der jobba han.

    Så kunne jeg få bøkene der.

    Så gjorde jeg det.

    Så synes jeg det så artig ut.

    Onkelen min, Håkon, hadde vel fortalt om en som gjerne ville bli butikksjef osv. da, og klarte det.

    En på Berger, om det var Arnt, eller en annen kar.

    Så jeg synes vel det måtte være grei jobb.

    Så jeg spurte Arnt, om dem trengte folk da.

    Jeg hadde jo handla på CC, med fattern, noen ganger, i åra før.

    Både på Storkjøp, og matsenteret.

    Og da prata jeg med hu Karin da, en dag eller to seinere kanskje, eller samme dagen kanskje.

    Så fikk jeg jobb der, 2-3 dager i uka, ved siden av datalinja på Gjerde.

    Dette var høsten 88.

    Så dette sa jeg til Klara, på Matland/OBS Triaden, høsten 1990.

    Og da fikk jeg et 6. måneders heltids-vikariat der da.

    Og der trengte dem folk til å jobbe mye i jula osv.

    Så der, fikk jeg vel utbetalt, opp til over tre ganger så mye, som i jobben i Det Norske Hageselskap da.

    Selv om jobben der var kjedelig, på OBS/Matland.

    Så trengte jeg jo penger, for jeg synes det var stusselig, med bare 4000 i måneden.

    Jeg var vant til å bruke penger fra russetida, hvor jeg jo hadde jobb på CC, og bodde gratis på Berger.

    Så da synes jeg ikke det var så særlig, å bare ha 4000 i måneden på kontor-jobben.

    Og hadde jo bare et hvileår, mellom årene, på datahøyskolen.

    Så jeg hadde jo ikke tenkt, egentlig, å ha en karriære, innen hverken kontor, eller butikk.

    Så praksisen, den tenkte jeg egentlig ikke så mye på.

    Siden det jo var data, jeg hadde planlagt å jobbe med uansett.

    Jeg tenkte bare å få en jobb, for å prøve å spare opp litt penger det friåret, og få kontoll på økonomi og bosituasjon osv.

    For jeg kunne jo ikke bo hos familien til broren min hele livet heller.

    Mette Holter, stemora til Axel.

    Hu hadde ei amerikansk venninne, Vicky, eller Victoria, het hu vel egentlig, fra Trondheim.

    Hu hadde med datra si, som jeg har glemt navnet på.

    Og hu datra, visste jeg, hadde en forlovede, eller type eller noe.

    Alikevel, så spurte hu Vicky meg, om jeg kunne ta hu med ut, og varte opp henne da, på byen da.

    Når mora og dattra, var på besøk hos Arne Thormod og Mette og dem.

    Hvor jeg også bodde, tidlig sommeren 91, tror jeg det må ha vært.

    Men jeg tenkte jo, at sånne 50-åringer og sånn.

    De sier mye rart.

    Jeg husker jo fattern og muttern og Haldis osv.

    Man måtte ikke ta hva dem sa for høytidelig.

    Man måtte høre på hva dem på sin egen alder sa, for det var ofte ting man kunne stole mer på.

    De her hippie-generasjonen, eller 68-er generasjonen, dem er ikke sånne man kan stole så mye på.

    Dem har vel aldri vokst opp.

    Det var i hvertfall mitt inntrykk på den tida.

    Så jeg tok ikke det her hu Victoria sa, så utrolig høytidelig.

    Det var noe sånn 68-er skrål, tenkte jeg.

    Men jeg fikk høre seinere, av broren min da, at hu jenta, hadde venta et jeg skulle ta hu med ut på byen da.

    Ganske pen, mørkhåra jente på min alder, fra Trondheim da.

    Men jeg visste jo at hu hadde type/forlover, og mora var jo venn av foreldra til bruttern, så jeg prøvde meg jo ikke på hu i det hele tatt.

    Jeg tenkte mora ikke ville ha likt det.

    Men nå veit jo ikke jeg hvordan mødre vanligvis tenker om sånt, så da måtte jeg vel bare gjette.

    Men samme det.

    Så jeg hadde vært å spillt biljard osv. med kamerater, etter jobben, på biljardhallen til Bengt Rune, som kamerat, av Øystein, tremenningen min, fra Lørenskog, som er like ved Skårer, hvor Matland eller OBS Lørenskog, som det heter nå, ligger.

    Så jeg og Øystein og Glenn, vi pleide å møtes på Biljarhallen til faren til Bengt Rune, som lå ovenfor Triaden-senteret der, ovenfor veien som gikk bort til Skårer, eller Solheim, eller hva det het der, retning Maxi Skårer.

    Men samme det.

    En dag, etter jobben på OBS Triaden, som før det het Matland, og nå heter OBS Lørenskog, men butikken ligger fortsatt i den nederste etasjen i Triaden-senteret.

    Så dro jeg hjem, til Høybråtenveien da.

    Da hadde den gamle stefaren min, da jeg bodde hos muttern, faren til Axel, Arne Thormod, dratt med seg en gubbe fra Skedsmo.

    Det var en skikkelig rar gubbe.

    Jeg ville tippe han var kanskje 80 år jeg.

    Arne Thormod fikk han til å fortelle om lærerne herr og fru Ribsskog, som hadde vært lærere, ute i Skedsmo da.

    Han sa bare bra ting.

    Han hadde visst hatt fru Ribsskog som lærer tror jeg.

    Det var altså oldemora mi det da.

    Det her var i 1990 vel.

    Så hvis han var 80 år, så var han født i 1910.

    Bestefaren min, Johannes, han var jo fra Skedsmo, eller Rælingen, eller noe.

    Stefaren min, Arne Thormod, mener jeg det var, sa at han hadde dårlig råd, så han pleide å gå på ski, eller noe, tre mil inn til Oslo, for å gå på jus-studiene der.

    Hvis ikke det var fattern som sa det.

    Så det her må ha vært foreldra til Johannes, bestefaren min.

    Som vel også bodde i Nittedal, en periode tror jeg.

    I hvertfall bodde bestemuttern der, Ingeborg fra Danmark, sammen med Johannes.

    Og Ingeborg fortalte, at en gang, når hu skulle føde Karen, mora mi, på sykehuset.

    Eller en av de yngre søskenene til muttern, må det ha vært.

    Så kom hu tilbake.

    Så hadde mora til Johannes da, hu lærerinna, passa huset.

    Og Karen, mora mi da, sikkert.

    Og da var det møkkete gryter og sånn på hele kjøkkenet, sa bestemuttern.

    Så hu var visst ikke helt god, hu mora til Johannes, altså oldemora mi da.

    Og oldefaren min, han var vel fra oppi Flatanger han da, der Ribsskog navnet var fra.

    Og han lengta visst tilbake dit.

    Så døde han vel da.

    Eller, mora til Johannes, skreiv et ganske kjent dikt.

    Om at hu hadde vært slem mot faren til Johannes, og at han lengta tilbake til Nord i Trøndelag, hele livet, og ikke likte seg nede hos hu, i Skedsmo, litt på innlandet der.

    Men det her, sa ikke han gubben noe om.

    Han sa bare høflige og veloppdragne ting, om Ribsskog, og la på en del bra ting, virka det som, og var jovial, og ville ikke si noe gæernt da.

    Det var noe ekkelt over han gubben synes jeg.

    Ikke at han var uhøflig, eller møkkete, eller noe sånn.

    Eller at han feis, eller noe, sånn som gamle gubber sikker gjør.

    Neida, men hva virka litt, som at han var så redd at han nesten pissa på seg.

    Han prata om alt på befaling, som Arne Thormod, ba han prate om.

    Som en robot, eller maskin nesten.

    Og han virka som at han var sånn, at han var sånn alltid.

    At han hadde blitt kua, i massevis av år, så nå hadde han ikke noe personlighet, eller karakter igjen.

    Så han bare var som en kua robot, som sa alt, som f.eks. Arne Thormod ba om da.

    Selv om vel nok ikke Arne Thormod kjente han så bra.

    Det var noen andre, som Arne Thormod antagelig kjente, på en eller annen måte, som hadde kua han.

    Noe var gæernt i hvertfall, det var skikkelig ekkelt, å se hvordan han var han karen.

    Ikke for å si noe stygt, men det eneste jeg kan tenke på, for å forklare.

    Det er sånn kuet slave, fra sørstatene, som er jovial og sier alt den hvite herren ønsker da.

    Eller en narr, som må si ting, som kongen mores av, hvis ikke, så blir han halshugget f.eks.

    Noe sånt.

    Så det var skikkelig ekkelt husker jeg.

    Jeg lurer på om han karen kan ha f.eks. blitt tulla med av noe mafia hele livet?

    Noe sånt.

    Han var ikke vanlig i hvertfall, som besteforeldra mine, og venna dems på Sand f.eks.

    Så det var ikke fordi han var en gammel gubbe.

    Det var fordi det var noe gæernt.

    Det var i hvertfall sånn det virka for meg.

    Så det kom jeg på, når jeg skreiv om det, om Flatland osv., på den gruppa, om hu norske dama som ble myrda i London da.

    Så sånn er det.

  • New World Order. (In Norwegian).

    Jeg overhørte onkelen min, Martin, prate til datra si, når jeg jobba på gården til Martin og Grethe, sommeren 2005.

    Hva sa Martin?

    Joda, han sa, at de hadde trodd, at jeg ikke hadde noe driv.

    Men det var feil, siden de hadde sett at jeg hadde driv, når jeg hadde dratt fra land til land, med mafia eller politi etter meg, eller hva det var.

    Så sa han, at jeg var jo den som skulle få denne familien (Ribsskog), opp av grøfta.

    Jaha, det var nyhet for meg.

    Ingen har sagt det til meg.

    Kanskje noen skulle gitt meg støtte da, og kanskje vi skulle hatt noe familie-samhold i familien.

    Jeg tror de ble oppgitt over meg, da jeg sluttet som butikksjef, for å få en ordentlig karriære.

    Tenk hvis jeg hadde fått en bachelor grad fra HiO, og vært ferdig våren 2005.

    Når arbeidsmarketed var på det beste, sånn jeg forutså det?

    Jeg hadde erfaring fra ledelse, som butikksjef.

    Jeg kunne f.eks. fått en lederjobb i et datafirma, eller startet eget firma, som jeg og en studiekamerat delvis planla.

    Jeg kunne fått en veldig bra lønn da.

    Men nei da, familien min trodde jeg hadde mista drivet mitt, siden jeg ikke ville råtne i en jævla Rimi, som krevde all min tid og krefter omtrent, og hvor firma mer eller mindre eide en.

    Neida, da fikk ikke Erik familien opp av grøfte. (Som ingen har prata med meg om).

    Så da solgte de kanskje Erik til politiet da.

    For noen blodpenger?

    Sånn at politiet kunne bruke meg som noe spion/target guy?

    For hva skulle dem med meg, hvis de ikke trodde jeg skulle få en veldig bra jobb, sånn at de kunne snylte på meg osv?

    Er det dette som har foregått?

    Fy faen for en gjeng av svin altså.

    Er det fordet jeg har blondt hår?

    Jævla faens slavedrivere og new world order fuckere hele gjengen.

  • Verden i Krig? 2: AsheNAZI Jews? (In Norwegian).

    Verden i Krig? 2: AsheNAZI Jews? (In Norwegian).

    http://www.tribwatch.com/redshield.htm

    Og ashenazi, er ikke det nesten som asheNAZI?

    Var nazismen og Hitler et plot, for å gjøre mest mulig skade på Tyskland og evt. Norge og Danmark osv?

    Og hvorfor hadde Hitler svart hår, når han var forkjemper for ‘ariene’?

    Og hvorfor hadde han Chaplin-bart?

    Var det for å på en lur måte si at han også egentlig var en komiker?

    Hvorfor ville Hitler kjempe til siste slutt, uten å undertegne noen fredstraktat ala Versaille?

    Var det for at flest mulige etterkommere av vikingene/folk med lyst hår, skulle dø?

    Jeg sier at jeg vet alt dette helt sikkert, men det må vel være lov å stille spørsmålene forhåpentligvis.

    Så det får man håpe.

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    New World Order (Novus Ordo Mundi or Novus Ordo Seclorum) refers to a conspiracy in which a powerful and secretive group is to be conspiring to eventually rule the world via an autonomous world government, which would replace sovereign states and other checks and balances in world power struggles. In the new world order, many significant occurrences are caused by a powerful secret group. Historical and current events are seen as steps in an on-going plot to rule the world primarily through a combination of political finance, social engineering, mind control[citation needed], and fear-based propaganda, in addition to alleged mass genocides of Christian sects[citation needed]. One of its early mentions was in the 1975 Gerald Ford’s “Declaration of Interdependence” as recorded by historian Henry Steele Commager which states that: “we must join with others to bring forth a new world order….Narrow notions of national sovereignty must not be permitted to curtail that obligation”.
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    * 1 History of the term
    * 2 Signs
    * 3 New World Order timeline
    * 4 Ideologies
    o 4.1 H. G. Wells and the benevolent “New World Order”
    o 4.2 Lionel Curtis and the “Commonwealth of God”
    o 4.3 Alice Bailey’s “New World Order” and its opposition to Judaism
    o 4.4 Anti-Zionism ideologies: State of Israel as the enemy
    o 4.5 Racist ideologies: race-mixing as the enemy’s goal
    o 4.6 Lyndon Larouche and the House of Windsor theory
    o 4.7 Patrick Buchanan and the Council of Foreign Relations theory
    o 4.8 Apocalyptic Christian theories centering on the Book of Revelations
    o 4.9 Greens and the multi-national corporations theory
    o 4.10 Other theories
    * 5 Postulated implementations
    o 5.1 Gradual takeover through economic colonialism
    o 5.2 Military coup
    o 5.3 Black helicopters
    o 5.4 UN takeover of the USA; internment camps
    o 5.5 Chemtrails, MK-Ultra, and UFOs
    o 5.6 The mental health system
    o 5.7 Income tax, Social Security, UPC marking, and RFID tagging
    o 5.8 “The Externalization of the Hierarchy”
    * 6 Connections between theories and nationalism
    * 7 Theories about instances of historical manipulations
    * 8 Alleged socio-political changes
    * 9 Annuit Cœptis Novus Ordo Seclorum
    * 10 References in fiction to the New World Order
    o 10.1 Novels
    o 10.2 Film
    o 10.3 TV shows and anime
    o 10.4 Games
    + 10.4.1 Computer and video
    + 10.4.2 Role-playing
    + 10.4.3 Card
    o 10.5 Comics
    o 10.6 Music
    o 10.7 Theatre
    o 10.8 Sports
    * 11 See also
    * 12 Literature promoting belief in a New World Order conspiracy
    * 13 References
    * 14 External links

    [edit] History of the term

    New world order is an integrative that attempts to expose and explain the widespread collusion between business and political leaders and their agenda towards the restriction of personal freedoms.

    Many believe the idea of the “new world order” originated in the early 1900s with Cecil Rhodes, who advocated that the British Empire and the United States should jointly impose a Federal World Government (with English as the official language) to bring about lasting world “peace”. In order to facilitate this, Rhodes founded the Rhodes Scholarship as a global brotherhood of future leaders. Lionel Curtis, who also believed in this idea, founded the Rhodes-Milner Round Table Groups in 1909, which led to the establishment of the British-based Royal Institute for International Affairs in 1919 and the U.S.-based Council on Foreign Relations in 1920.[citation needed] The concept was further developed by Edward M. House, a close advisor to Woodrow Wilson during the negotiations to set up the League of Nations (it is unclear whether it was House or Wilson who invented the actual phrase). Another important influence was the futurist H.G. Wells, a vigorous advocate for world government.

    Elements are present in the populism of the nineteenth century. In present form this can be traced to the collapse of the Soviet Union and President George H. W. Bush’s new world order speech of 11 September 1990. In it he described the United States’ objectives for post-cold-war cooperation with the former Soviet Union, using the phrase “new world order.”[1]

    [edit] Signs

    According to theorists there are many signs that will confirm these claims. For example, the strange murals in the Denver International Airport, the Illuminati symbol on the Great Seal of the United States with the words “Novus Ordo Seclorum” meaning “New Order of the Ages”, Masonic signs on buildings (particularly in Washington DC) and pentagrams worked into city plans.

    A DVD entitled “Riddles In Stone” investigates the peculiarities in Washington, D.C.’s streets and buildings.
    Reverse side of the Great Seal of the United States
    Reverse side of the Great Seal of the United States

    The belief may stem — at least partly — from the political phrase “New World Order”, which was used in politics for much of the 20th century.

    Other names for the New World Order are Illuminati Bankers, High Cabal, Fourth Reich, Synarchist International, the Cryptocracy, the power elite, and the powers that be.

    Supporters of this theory can say to a certain degree who is part of it. Nobody can determine who isn’t part of the NWO. Most prominent families such as the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Morgans, and Du Ponts, as well as European monarchs, are said to be important members.

    International organizations such as the World Bank, IMF, European Union, the United Nations, and NATO are often listed as core NWO organizations. Presidents and prime ministers of nations are routinely included in the conspiracy. A slightly different version of the NWO theory goes as far as saying that these families and persons are all part of the same bloodline.

    It is believed that there are to be numerous internment camps located within the United States and that these internment camps will start being seen as signs before any action is taken. These camps are to be used to store any Americans who protest or give any sort of fight against the Secret Service Guard that is to be used to control the population and new laws.

    [edit] New World Order timeline

    These are events that some conspiracy theorists say are pivotal in the establishment of the New World Order. [1]

    * In 1903 the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion were published in Russia. Scholars generally agree that the Okhrana, the secret police of the Russian Empire, fabricated the text in the late 1890s or early 1900s.[2]

    * In 1913 the U.S. Federal Reserve system and the Internal Revenue Service were introduced. Owners of the “Fed” are said to be rich international bankers loaning money to the U.S. government at interest. They have the power to print money and control it without using the Gold Standard.

    * In the July 17, 1926 Saturday Evening Post, the term “New World Order” was used for the first time in a popular magazine article to describe the work of Edward M. House in helping to create the League of Nations and helping to found the Council on Foreign Relations.[3] [2]

    * Between 1928 and 1940, H. G. Wells wrote of his hopes for “an efficient and beneficent world system” under one world-government.

    * In 1933, when Hitler came to power, he announced the coming of a, “New World Order” under Nazi rule, a Nazi New World Order – Nazi One World Government

    * In 1935, the reverse side of the Great Seal of the United States with the Eye of Providence above the pyramid appeared for the first time on the back of the one dollar U.S. dollar bill.

    * In 1938, Lionel Curtis’s The Commonwealth of God was published, advocating joint rule of the world by the USA and the UK.

    * From 1940 until her death in 1949, Alice Bailey published various books in which she called Zionism a “triangle of terror” and called for a New World Order in which Orthodox Judaism no longer existed.

    * The term “One World” originated in the 1943 book One World by liberal Republican Wendell Willkie. In the book Willkie described his 31,000 mile journey around the world from August 26 to October 14, 1942 in the Consolidated bomber “Gulliver” to meet with Allied war leaders.[4]

    * In 1944, the Bretton Woods Agreement was signed, outlining a regime for the post World War II world economy.

    * In 1945, the United Nations is founded.

    * In 1946, Bertrand Russell supported the Baruch Plan for establishment of a world government based on international control of atomic weapons, and advocated that the United States and the United Kingdom should use their atomic monopoly to compel the assent of the Soviet Union if necessary for the sake of achieving permanent world peace. On October 1, 1946, the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists carried an article by Bertrand Russell entitled The Atomic Bomb and the Prevention of War, where he writes, “The American and British governments … should make it clear that genuine international cooperation is what they most desire. But although peace should be their goal, they should not let it appear that they are for peace at any price. At a certain stage, when their plan (sic) for an international government are ripe, they should offer them to the world … If Russia acquiesced willingly, all would be well. If not, it would be necessary to bring pressure to bear, even to the extent of risking war”. [3]

    * In 1954, the Bilderberg Group was founded.

    * On March 25, 1957 the European Economic Community (European Common Market) was formed, which in 1992 changed its name to the European Union. Currently, the EU has 27 member states, 13 of which use a common currency, the Euro.

    * In 1961, Arnold Toynbee said: “in the present Atomic Age we shall not have assured the survival of the human race until we have established a world-government and made the present national governments subordinate to it”.[5]

    * In 1963, the Codex Alimentarius Commission was established by the Food and Agriculture Organization and the World Health Organization, later to be backed by the World Trade Organization.

    * In 1973, David Rockefeller organized the Trilateral Commission.

    * In 1974, retail stores began using the Universal Product Code. Some regard the UPC as being the Mark of the Beast. [4]

    * On September 11, 1990, the President of the United States, George H.W. Bush gave his famous speech, “Toward a New World Order”[5][6] to a joint session of the United States Congress.

    * In 1991, televangelist Pat Robertson published the book ‘The New World Order’.

    Pat Robertson’s 1991 book ‘The New World Order’
    Pat Robertson’s 1991 book ‘The New World Order’

    * On January 1, 1995, the United Nations’ International Trade Organization’s (ITO) General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) group renamed itself the World Trade Organization (WTO).[7]

    * The WTO Ministerial Conference of 1999 protest activity took place on November 30, 1999, when the World Trade Organization (WTO) convened in Seattle, Washington, USA.

    * When the September 11, 2001 attacks]] have been linked to ideas about the New World Order, they have sometimes been presented as a conspiratorial media-orchestrated plot to frighten Americans into giving up their basic liberties to a “Homeland Security” authority that will eventually turn control of the United States over to a multi-national “coalition government.”

    * In 2002, the FDA approved the manufacture of the VeriChip Microchip implant (human). Much more intrusive than the UPC, this aroused people’s fears that a future totalitarian government could enforce the implanting of these chips and thus fulfill the Book of Revelation prophecy regarding the Mark of the Beast. [8] [9]

    * In 2005, transhumanist futurist philosopher and computer scientist Ray Kurzweil reported that “The U.S. Joint Forces Command “Project Alpha”…envisions a 2025 fighting force that ‘is largely robotic.’ “[6].

    [edit] Ideologies

    There are a number of different ideologies related to this belief:[7]

    [edit] H. G. Wells and the benevolent “New World Order”

    H.G. Wells said in his 1940 book entitled “The New World Order”: “… when the struggle seems to be drifting definitely towards a world social democracy, there may still be very great delays and disappointments before it becomes an efficient and beneficent world system. Countless people … will hate the new world order … and will die protesting against it. When we attempt to evaluate its promise, we have to bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents, many of them quite gallant and graceful-looking people.” [10]H.G. Wells called his effort to organize prominent intellectuals behind the idea of establishing a World Government “The Open Conspiracy” (a benevolent one) in his 1928 book by that name. [11]

    [edit] Lionel Curtis and the “Commonwealth of God”

    Lionel Curtis wrote a book in 1938 called The Commonwealth of God in which he advocated that the United States and the British Empire should jointly impose a world government which would be presented as being the work of God: “I feel that when once the Protestant churches had learned to regard the creation of a world commonwealth as an all-important aspect of their work in realising the Kingdom of God, an international commonwealth in the English-speaking world would come into being in a few generations”.[8] [12]

    [edit] Alice Bailey’s “New World Order” and its opposition to Judaism

    Alice A. Bailey, a one time Theosophist who formed her own group, the Arcane School, in 1923, predicted in 1940 the victory of the Allies over the Axis and the establishment afterward by the Allies of a “New World Order” — regarded by her (as by H.G. Wells) — as a benevolent conspiracy by political progressives that would bring humanity to a higher level of civilization.[9] However, in 1997, Rabbi Yonassan Gershom, in an article titled “Antisemitic Stereotypes in Alice Bailey’s Writings”, pointed out that Bailey’s “Plan for the New World Order” called for “the gradual dissolution – again if in any way possible – of the Orthodox Jewish faith”, which, he said, indicated that “her goal is nothing less than the destruction of Judaism itself.”[10]

    [edit] Anti-Zionism ideologies: State of Israel as the enemy

    Some believe that Zionists (or, alternatively, Israel and its Lobby in US) are the primary force behind the conspiracy. They assert the establishment of the New World Order is being engineered by Neo-Conservatives to provide support for Israel and they point out that many Neo-Conservative leaders are hawkish Zionists and some of them have worked as advisors to the government of Israel. Claims have been made that the primary reason that the Iraq War was fought is that the Zionists thought that Saddam Hussein was a threat to Israel that needed to be removed.[citation needed] Some claim that it is difficult for people to find out the truth about the conspiracy because, mass media outlets are predominantly owned by a few corporate executives who have the same goal[13]. Allegedly these individuals in control of mass media are all Zionists or supporters of them[citation needed]: Jonathan Miller (Chair/CEO) of AOL in Time Warner; Michel Eisener (CEO) of The Walt Disney Company; Reinhard Mohn [owner] of Bertelsmann media worldwide; Murray Rothstien (Head) of MTV in Viacom; Rupert Murdoch (Founder) of News Corporation; Jean-Bernard Lévy (Chairman/CEO) of Vivendi Universal. When accused of racism or antisemitism, some of those theorists argue that Zionism is racist and hateful ideologies of ethnic supremacy. They argue that this is evident from the persecution and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians who Zionist extremists typically regard as inferior and whose land they occupy under military force.

    Zionists in US, i.e. “Prominent groups in the Israeli lobby include the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL); Christians United for Israel (CUFI), and pro-Israel think tanks like the Washington Institute for Near East Policy and the American Enterprise Institute. Leading individuals in the lobby include the heads of these various organizations, as well as neoconservatives who served in the Bush administration like Elliot Abrams, John Bolton, Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, and David Wurmser.”[14] Also includes “John Hagee” and “Tom DeLay”.

    Part of the problem with Zionism and the New World Order is what the first Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion said in 1962. “The image of the world…as traced in my imagination — the increasing influence of the farmers and workers, and the rising political influence of men of science, may transform the United States into a welfare state with a planned economy. Western and Eastern Europe will become a federation of autonomous states having a socialist and democratic regime.…With the exception of the USSR as a federated Eurasian state, all other continents will become united in a world alliance, at whose disposal will be an international police force. All armies will be abolished, and there will be no more wars. In Jerusalem, the United Nations (a truly United Nations) will build a Shrine of the Prophets to serve the federated union of all continents; this will be the seat of the Supreme Court of Mankind, to settle all controversies among the federated continents, as prophesied by Isaiah.”

    [edit] Racist ideologies: race-mixing as the enemy’s goal

    Some racially biased subscribers to the Zionism theory have also asserted that part of the goal of the New World Order is to foster egalitarianism and enforce “race-mixing” or the integration of inherently inequal* races to engender miscegenation and submerge the genetically greater intellects of some races into the genetically lesser intellects of others, in order to breed a one-world race. This is a popular ideology among theorists who subscribe to a racist belief system.

    [edit] Lyndon Larouche and the House of Windsor theory

    The perennial U.S. presidential candidate Lyndon LaRouche claims that the “New World Order” is a conspiracy directed by the House of Windsor (the British royal family), which, he asserts, also controls the international Illegal drug trade. He claims the Fabian Society (of which H.G. Wells was a member) was secretly financed by the Royal Family so that the Windsors could gain control of the eventual world government. LaRouche asserts that as of 2006 the Neo-Conservatives (especially Dick Cheney) are working with the House of Windsor to set up a type of fascism throughout the world which LaRouche calls synarchism and which, he claims, the Neo-Conservatives hope will become the basis of the New World Order [15]. George W Bush and Tony Blair are thought to have iniated NWO.

    [edit] Patrick Buchanan and the Council of Foreign Relations theory

    Paleoconservative Patrick J. Buchanan asserts the Council on Foreign Relations (itself supposedly a front for the “international bankers”, as well as, it is claimed, the inspiration for the founding of the Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, and World Trade Organization) is behind the conspiracy.[citation needed] He claims that the liberals are planning to eventually subvert the independence of the United States of America by subordinating national sovereignty to the United Nations[11] [16]. This thesis agrees with the right-wing libertarian opinion[17] who sees a future socialist World State as the only way to achieve an Orwellian collectivist oligarchy freed from the need to subordinate the world’s production to the consumers of a free market economy. The conspiracy would consist into replacing it with a monopolist planned economy capable of rationing the resources, converting populations into public property[18]. Their usual image is an egalitarian slavery under a global scientific dictatorship.

    “For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents … to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”

    – David Rockefeller, “Memoirs” autobiography (2002, Random House publishers), page 405

    [edit] Apocalyptic Christian theories centering on the Book of Revelations

    Some fundamentalist evangelical Christian ideologies about the conspiracy include a prominent religious element based on prophecies in the Book of Revelation about the coming of the Anti-Christ. They assert that agents of Satan are involved in deceiving humanity into accepting an international demonic order that has Satan at the core of worship. These beliefs often include explicit millenarianism. Other ideologies do not have a religious component, and view the concept of “serving Satan” metaphorically. Compare Pat Robertson’s The New World Order [19][20]to William Cooper’s Behold a Pale Horse [21], both listed under “Literature” below . The fundamentalist evangelical Christian view regarding the expected events leading to the implementation of the New World Order and the emergence of the Anti-Christ as well as the subsequent Battle of Armageddon and Second Coming is exhaustively summarized in the 1998 book Final Warning: The History of the New World Order by David Allen Rivera: [22].

    [edit] Greens and the multi-national corporations theory

    Some anarcho-primitivists, anarchists, environmentalists, ultra-populists, Neo-Luddites, and (very occasionally) bioconservatives sometimes claim that there is or may be an explicit (conspiracy) or implicit (bloc) organization of intellectuals, technologists, technocrats, intelligentsia, technophiles, and other such intellectual elites who view science as god in itself and push a pro-Technocracy, pro-Scientism, anti-natural, anti-environment, dehumanising, anti-freedom agenda. Generally, such notions tend to be connected to the theories mentioned above, related to capitalism and transnational corporations, with the idea being that technology is profitable, and human mediocrity is profitable, and thus, generally, capitalists and capitalist societies are in at least implicit collusion with technologists, intelligentsia, and scientists in order to pacify, standardise, dehumanise, technologically-saturate and commodify human beings, to create the ultimate global consumer society. Anti-psychiatry sometimes plays a role in such theories, as it is claimed that the fields of psychology and psychiatry are for the purposes of medicating the individualist instincts of people and creating a conformant “therapeutic society”. Sometimes, the technocratic New World Order is said to have transhumanist ambitions, with the ultimate aim being to engineer life and thus control it that much more by completing the process of turning people and animals into things. Such themes are popular in science fiction: Technocracy (World of Darkness), Deus Ex, Cyberpunk.

    [edit] Other theories

    Although the United Nations is a central figure in some theories, conspiracy theory in the twenty-first century allows for the addition of many ideas that in the past might have been thought mutually exclusive. Extra-terrestrials (either the “Reptilians” or the “Greys” or both), the Trilateral Commission, the Illuminati, and other groups may be included in the conspiracy, in more or less dominant roles. Some theorists say a secret annual conference of the Bilderberg Group plans world events to establish the New World Order. Additionally, religious eschatology, often featuring the anti-Christ, is central to some theories, and irrelevant to others.

    New World Order conspiracy theory may be presented by any who fear the loss of their ideological freedom and favorite policies, conservatives and liberals alike. A number of those on both the right and left believe that the left/right paradigm itself is a subversive creation of a New World Order-controlled media, intended as disinformation to divert people from their common enemy. This has been called “Fusion Paranoia” by Michael Kelly.

    [edit] Postulated implementations

    Just as there are several overlapping and even conflicting theories about the nature of the New World Order, so are there several beliefs about how its architects and planners will implement it:

    [edit] Gradual takeover through economic colonialism

    Some say the New World Order is being implemented gradually, citing the foundation of the Federal Reserve bank; American Imperialism and economic Colonialism, the formation of the United Nations; the formation of the World Health Organization, the World Bank and the World Trade Organization; the formation of the European Union and the Euro currency; the formations of a North American Union and the Amero currency, the Middle East Free Trade Area, the African Union, and the various Middle East peace processes as major milestones.

    [edit] Military coup

    The understanding of some believers is that the New World Order will be created by a military coup, using UN and possibly American troops, against all the nations of the world to bring about a singular world government. Before 2000, some conspiracists believed this process would be set in motion by the predicted Y2K computer crisis causing widespread social disorder.[12]

    [edit] Black helicopters

    Main article: Black helicopters

    Black helicopters are part of some conspiracy theory thinking, especially among the US militia movement, that claims that special unmarked “black” helicopters are being used now in secret military operations and are going to be used by secret agents of the New World Order to implement their plans.

    [edit] UN takeover of the USA; internment camps

    Another related set of believers maintains that the United States is to be taken over, by troops nominally loyal to the United Nations but in fact controlled by a trans-national group (sometimes referred to as Faction One). The takeover is to include the detention of ‘patriots’ and those hostile to the conspiracy in secret internment camps in remote parts of the country, to which elements of the population will be taken for processing before being released as “work-units.” (See Rex 84.)

    [edit] Chemtrails, MK-Ultra, and UFOs

    Other components of the conspiracy may include the dispersal of chemicals into the atmosphere via aircraft in the Chemtrail theory, the well-known CIA mind control experiments performed under the code name MK-ULTRA, and involvement by extraterrestrial aliens, as in the Dulce Base conspiracy theories.

    [edit] The mental health system

    The mental health systems of various nations have been cited as a means to keep dissidents in line. This theory has gained credibility among believers who are aware that historically, incarceration in mental hospitals has been used by totalitarian regimes to control opposition, and they claim that some, if not all of these regimes, as well as ostensible democracies, still do this. [citation needed]

    [edit] Income tax, Social Security, UPC marking, and RFID tagging

    Some Theorists from the Christian community believe that the New World Order is the rulership of Earth by the Anti-Christ, and identify the coming of Satan’s reign with mark of the beast (666) mentioned specifically in the Book of Revelation (see Revelation 13:16). Because the Mark of the Beast is linked to the act of “buying and selling”, this mark has been at various times considered identical with the collection of sales tax, the use of Social Security card numbers, and the bar-coding of retail goods with UPC (Universal Product Code) markings. Current theorists have implicated RFID tagging as well. Katherine Albrecht and Liz McIntyre, authors of Spychips: How Major Corporations and Government Plan to Track Your Every Move with RFID, wrote a new book on the subject from a Christian perspective.[13] John Conner, leader of an organization called “The Resistance of Christ” also believes there is a strong connection. Related subjects include eschatology (last things) and dispensationalism.[14][15][16]

    [edit] “The Externalization of the Hierarchy”

    In Alice Bailey’s concept (see above), a Brotherhood of Mahatmas (among them Master Djwhal Khul, “The Tibetan”) work on the “inner planes” to oversee humanity’s transition to the New World Order. At present, the members of this Spiritual Hierarchy are only known to a few people, with whom they commicate telepathically, but as the need for their personal involvement in the plan increases, there will be an “Externalization of the Hierarchy” and all people will know of their presence on Earth. One of the results of this will be the “solution” of “The Jewish problem” by intermarriage of Jews with people of other religions, putting an end to Orthodox Judaism and paving the way for all people to accept Christ (also called Maitreya) as the Messiah.

    [edit] Connections between theories and nationalism

    There are many theories which feature a plan to create a one-world government. Most of these theories envision this as being done against the self-interest of the particular nation they happen to live in. Sociologists draw a connection between these theories and a more general sentiment of nationalism or isolationism. For example, prior to the rise of Neoconservatism in the United States, conservative or Republican talk show hosts such as Rush Limbaugh would criticize different politicians for internationalist positions they felt were not in the best interest of the United States. Commentators would allege unethical or conspiratorial conduct on by disfavored politicians in support of this criticism. These allegations might be similar to new world order theories. Historically this debate has most often centered on supporters of international free trade versus protectionists. Since protectionists generally believe that opposing a certain liberalization of trade helps their own country, it is then implied the free trade supporters are supporting a position against their own country. New world order theories therefore most often do not surmise that the believer’s nation is working for world control, but rather that others, perhaps including powerful officials, are working to control that country and all countries.[17]

    [edit] Theories about instances of historical manipulations

    The conspirators thought to be responsible for the new world order are also suspected of staging many historical events such as World Wars and terrorist attacks. New world order theorists say that world leaders throughout history have successfully manipulated their people into wars using false flag operations. To support these assertions they cite what they consider to be previous examples of such manipulations:

    * The Nazis capitalized on the Reichstag fire by blaming the Communists for it, thus eliminating support for the Communist party in Germany, and leading to Nazi domination of the legislature.

    * The use of the Patriot Act in the United States (9/11)

    * The state of emergency in Indira Gandhi’s rule of India after convicted of election fraud

    * The United States knew in advance of the attacks on Pearl Harbor, and President Roosevelt used the attacks as a “legitimate” reason for entering World War II.

    * Operation Northwoods, a proposed series of false flag operations to be used as a pretext for an invasion of Cuba, was signed off by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but rejected by President Kennedy shortly before his assassination.

    * The Gulf of Tonkin Incident led President Johnson to escalate U.S. hostilities in Vietnam

    * The Federal Reserve Act, designed to regulate bankers, was written on a private island off the coast of Georgia in 1910 by bankers representing the JP Morgan, Rockefeller, and Rothschild interests. This allegedly gave the top international bankers the power to control and manipulate the United States economy.

    * Elements of the United States government knew in advance of the attacks on the World Trade Center and The Pentagon (9/11), the Bush administration used the attacks as a “legitimate” reason to enter Afghanistan, and later Iraq. It is also thought that the US may use similar reasoning to invade Iran, Israel, Lebanon and other countries in the Middle East as a foothold for the new world order.

    Other new world order theorists see the conspiracy at work in globalization, or in the various intellectual movements evolved from Marxism, ranging from social democracy to the Frankfurt School. These are thought to be intended to homogenize cultures and values by political normalization, as in the European Union and African Union’s gradual “communitarian construction” scheme of a common economic and legal framework.

    [edit] Alleged socio-political changes
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    Literature promoting such conspiracies often contain or presuppose a rich mythology of occurrences including the following examples of potential fundamental changes, typically with a USA-bias[citation needed]:

    * “Black helicopters”, militias organized from a combination of UN troops, paramilitary police forces and the National Guard; the imposition of martial law; FEMA operated dissident camps.
    * National and local elections monitored by the UN, with an implication of election rigging.
    * The UN assuming the sovereignty and responsibilities of the US government.
    * Foreign military troops on US soil for alleged “peacekeeping” or “humanitarian” missions.
    * The US constitution replaced by the UN Charter (requiring a redrafting of the charter, since the current form is not sufficiently robust, nor intended, to serve as a document of national basic law).
    * UN control of a unified, global economy – Often correlated with Globalization.
    * All cash money eliminated; currency or “credit” exchanges made using microchips, implanted or otherwise; See Smart card, VeriChip, the more recent Real ID Act – Often correlated with the Biblical book of Revelation 13:16-17:

    [16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads [17] and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

    * Ubiquitous surveillance of civilians, via cameras and implants.
    * The execution, imprisonment, institutionalization, or marginalization of critics, artists, dissidents, religious figures, etc. as a means of censorship and control.

    [edit] Annuit Cœptis Novus Ordo Seclorum

    Some of those who believe that the Freemasons are involved in the conspiracy to create a New World Order claim[18] that the motto is inspired by Freemasonry, and is one of the clues to the True Masters of the World. By circumscribing the 6 pointed hexagram, or Star of David, over the pyramid, 5 of the 6 apices (the 6th being the ‘All-seeing eye’), point near letters spelling S-M-O-N-A, which can be rearranged to spell Mason (also monas and moans, as well as the phenome “omans”, which possibly could portend to “omens”). (In Hebrew the word “oman” (plural “omanim”) means artisan or skilled labourer, hence the possible reference in the word mason)

    Advocates of the theory also cite the 13 steps to ascend the pyramid, and the 72 visible blocks on the front. The Great US seal is also ascribed as employing heavily masonic imagery, with many believing the eagle to represent the masonic phoenix. The eagle holds an olive branch with 13 olives and 13 leaves in one claw, and 13 arrows in the other. The recurrence and significance of the number 13 is often attributed to its importance in numerology, and also to there being 13 degrees in York Rite Freemasonry. The Great Seal’s eagle also has 32 feathers on the right wing and 33 on left wing (32 and 33 being the two highest degrees in Scottish Rite Freemasonry).

    More conventional thinkers regard the thirteen steps as referring to the thirteen colonies.[19] If the blocks are correctly counted and their number intended, 72 has other mystical meanings: it was sacred to the Egyptians, as Plutarch says; and both Jews and Christians use it as the number of nations on the Earth. In Islam, it is believed that the Jews will divide into 71 sects, the Christians into 72, and the Muslims into 73; all being on the wrong path except for one. Muslims also believe that 30 false prophets (those who claim prophethood), “Dajjals” or anti-christs will appear on Earth to mislead people, and one of them will be the anti-Christ (false Messiah)[citation needed].

    [edit] References in fiction to the New World Order

    [edit] Novels

    * William Cooper’s Behold A Pale Horse (1989)
    * Umberto Eco’s Foucault’s Pendulum (1989)
    * Dan Brown’s novel Angels & Demons (2000)
    * Robert Anton Wilson and Robert Shea’s The Illuminatus! Trilogy New York: 1975; Dell, separate editions: The Eye in the Pyramid ISBN 0-440-04688-2, The Golden Apple ISBN 0-440-04691-2, Leviathan ISBN 0-440-14742-5. A spoof of conspiracy theories.
    * George Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty-Four (1949), in which the government rules by absolute control of information technology, alteration of records, hate mongering and installing a Big Brother State.
    * Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World (1932), in which the government rules by absolute control of biotechnology.
    * Robert Hugh Benson’s novel Lord of the World (1907)
    * Agatha Christie’s novel The Big Four (1927)

    [edit] Film

    * Terminator (series) (1984-?)
    * Colossus: The Forbin Project (1970)
    * Conspiracy Theory (1997)
    * The Matrix (1999)
    * Equilibrium (2002)
    * Bulletproof Monk (2003)
    * National Treasure (2004)
    * I, Robot (2004)
    * Batman Begins (2005)
    * V for Vendetta (2005)
    * Idiocracy (2006)
    * Transformers (film) (2007)
    * End Game (documentary) (2007)
    * Flicker (2008)

    [edit] TV shows and anime

    * “Imaginationland” from South Park(TV series)
    * “The Trust” from Stargate SG-1
    * “The Syndicate” from The X-Files
    * “The World Government” from One Piece
    * “The Brain Trust” from GetBackers
    * “Bad Wolf Corporation and Torchwood from Doctor Who
    * “Wolfram and Hart” from Angel
    * “The Company” from Prison Break
    * “Four Sisters” from Sohryuden: Legend of the Dragon Kings
    * “Soldats” from Noir
    * “The Centre” from The Pretender
    * “Breeding Cult” including “Manticore” from Dark Angel (TV series)

    [edit] Games

    [edit] Computer and video

    * The ganados in Resident Evil 4
    * The Illuminati in the Deus Ex series.
    * The Sapientes Gladio from Shadow Hearts 2
    * The Patriots from Metal Gear Solid
    * The Neo Templars from Broken Sword
    * The Global Dominion from Face of Mankind
    * New World Order
    * Half-Life 2
    * The Agency in Crackdown
    * The Illuminati in Area 51
    * The Syndicate in Syndicate

    [edit] Role-playing

    * The New World Order, a Convention in Mage: The Ascension

    * Warhammer 40000 (Necrons, Imperium of Man and, Forces of Chaos)

    * Illuminati, a suplement for GURPS

    [edit] Card

    * Illuminati: New World Order, collectible card game

    [edit] Comics

    * “New World Order”, comic book published by Image comics/Shadowline by Gustavo Higuera inspired by the research of Jordan Maxwell

    [edit] Music

    * “The New Order”, a song from an album bearing the same name by Testament
    * “New World Order”, a song by Ministry
    * “eye in the sky”, a song by The Alan Parsons Project
    * “New World Order”, a song by MagellanMusic
    * “New World Order”, a song by Megadeth
    * “Washington Is Next!”, a song by Megadeth
    * “New World Order”, a song by Defiance, Ohio
    * “New World Order”, a mixtape by DJ Green Lantern
    * “New World Order”, a song by Pagan’s Mind
    * “Thug World Order”, an album by Bone Thugs N Harmony 2002
    * “Life Won’t Wait”, a song by the band Rancid
    * “N.W.O.”, a song by the band Ministry from their 1992 album, Psalm 69: The Way to Succeed and the Way to Suck Eggs
    * “New World Order”, a song by the music band Gamma Ray in their album No World Order
    * “New World Order”, by The Kovenant
    * “Lullaby for the New World Order”, by Canadian singer-songwriter Matthew Good
    * The New World Order, an album by hip-hop group Poor Righteous Teachers
    * “Silent Running (On Dangerous Ground)”, a song by Mike + The Mechanics
    * “A Call to Arms”, a song by Mike + The Mechanics
    * “The Cause Of Death” by Immortal Technique
    * “Novus ordo seclorum” by Hedonix (cosmic conspiracy records 2006)
    * “Novus Ordos Clitorus” by (hed) pe, album Back 2 Base X
    * “Conspiracy Theories Without Mel Gibson”, By Weerd Science
    * “Old Soul Song (For The New World Order), by Bright Eyes
    * “Neuwerld”, by Skinny Puppy, from their album, The Greater Wrong of the Right
    * “Ordo Abchao”, by Ras Kass
    * “Soul on Ice Remix”, by Ras Kass
    * “Cell Therapy” by Goodie Mob
    * “Say Goodbye” by Black Eyed Peas
    * “What Would You Do” by Paris (rapper)
    * “Pet” by A Perfect Circle
    * “New World Odor”, an album by the political east coast group Public Enemy
    * “Judgement Night” by Biohazard (featuring Onyx) is about the NWO.
    * “Hail Mary” by Tupac Shakur
    * “Revolution” by Dead Prez
    * “New World Disorder” by Officer Negative
    * “Pets” by Porno 4 Pyros

    [edit] Theatre

    [edit] Sports

    * nWo, professional wrestling stable

    [edit] See also

    * Alex Jones (radio)
    * David Icke
    * Jeff Rense
    * Nesta Webster
    * Bohemian Grove
    * Daniel Estulin
    * Club of Rome
    * Committee of 300
    * Illuminati
    * Skull and Bones
    * Bilderberg Group
    * Trilateral Commission
    * True Believer Syndrome
    * Tower of Babel

    [edit] Literature promoting belief in a New World Order conspiracy

    * Abraham, Larry [1971] (1988). Call it Conspiracy. Double a Publications. ISBN 0-9615550-1-7.
    * Still, William T. (1990). New World Order: The Ancient Plan of Secret Societies. Huntington House Publishers. ISBN 0-910311-64-1.
    * Cooper, Milton William (1991). Behold a Pale Horse. Light Technology Publications. ISBN 0-929385-22-5.
    * Robertson, Pat (1992). The New World Order. W Publishing Group. ISBN 0-8499-3394-3.
    * Wardner, James [1993] (1994). The Planned Destruction of America. Longwood Communications. ISBN 0-9632190-5-7.
    * Keith, Jim (1995). Black Helicopters over America: Strikeforce for the New World Order. Illuminet Press. ISBN 1-881532-05-4.
    * Jones, Alan B. [1997] (2001). Secrecy or Freedom?. ABJ Press. ISBN 0-9640848-2-1.
    * Gray, John [1998] (2000). False Dawn: The Delusions of Global Capitalism. New Press. ISBN 1-56584-592-7.
    * Bearden, Tom [2000] (2004). Energy from the Vacuum: Concepts & Principles. Cheniere Press. ISBN 0-9725146-0-0.
    * Mars, Jim (2001). Rule by Secrecy: The Hidden History That Connects the Trilateral Commission, the Freemasons, and the Great Pyramids. HarperCollins. ISBN 0-06-093184-1.
    * Lina, Jüri. Architects of Deception: the Concealed History of Freemasonry. Stockholm, 2004, originally written in Swedish, title “Världbyggarnas bedrägeri: frimurarnas dolda historia”.
    * Madisson, Tiit. New World Order: The Concealed Acting of Judaists and Freemasons at Subdueing the World’s Nations and Countries, written in Estonian, original title: “Maailma Uus Kord: judaistide ja vabamüürlaste varjatud tegevus rahvaste ning riikide allutamisel”. Lihula, 2004.
    * Wilson, Robert Anton. Everything is Under Control: Conspiracies, Cults, and Cover-Ups. New York: 1998, Harper-Perennial.

    [edit] References

    1. ^ Berlet, Chip (1999). How Apocalyptic and Millennialist Themes Influence Right Wing Scapegoating and Conspiracism. Dances with Devils. Political Research Associates. Retrieved on 2006-06-18. – “When President Bush announced his new foreign policy would help build a New World Order, his phrasing surged through the Christian and secular hard right like an electric shock, since the phrase had been used to represent the dreaded collectivist One World Government for decades.”
    2. ^ John Spargo, “The Jew and American Ideals”. Harper & Brothers Publishers New York 1921 p. 20-40.
    3. ^ Wilson, Robert Anton Everything is Under Control:Conspiracies, Cults, and Coverups New York:1998–Harper Perennial, page 127 (In section on the “Council on Foreign Relations”)
    4. ^ Willkie, Wendell One World New York:1943–Simon and Schuster
    5. ^ Toynbee, Arnold J. A Study of History Volume XII–Reconsiderations London 1961:Oxford University Press Page 619
    6. ^ Kurzweil, Ray The Singularity is Near New York:2005–Viking Page 333
    7. ^ Johnson, George (1983). Architects of Fear: Conspiracy Theories and Paranoia in American Politics. Los Angeles: Jeremy P. Tarcher, Inc.. ISBN 0-87477-275-3.
    8. ^ Curtis, Lionel Civitas Dei: The Commonwealth of God London:1938–MacMillan & Sons
    9. ^ Bailey, Alice A. The Externalisation of the Hierarchy New York: 1957–Lucis Publishing (a compilation of earlier prophecies) Pages 185-192 “The New World Order”.
    10. ^ http://www.pinenet.com/rooster/bailey.html
    11. ^ Buchanan, Patrick J. Where the Right Went Wrong New York: 2004–Thomas Dunne Books, an imprint of St. Martins Press
    12. ^ BBC News Special Report (1998-10-05). Death to the New World Order (English). Retrieved on 2006-06-24.
    13. ^ Albrecht & McIntyre (2006). The Spychips Threat: Why Christians Should Resist RFID and Electronic Surveillance, Tennessee: Nelson Current ISBN 1595550216
    14. ^ Gilbert, Alorie (2006). is RFID the mark of the beast?. News.com. Retrieved on 2006-12-18.
    15. ^ Brown, Jim (2005). Group Fears RFID Chips Could Herald ‘Mark of the Beast’. Agape Press. Retrieved on 2006-12-18.
    16. ^ Baard, Mark (2006). RFID: Sign of the (End) Times?. Wired.com. Retrieved on 2006-12-18.
    17. ^ Barkun, Michael (2003). A Culture of Conspiracy: Apocalyptic Visions in Contemporary America. University of California Press. 0520238052.
    18. ^ Melanson, Terry (2005). The New Age Magazine and Occult Explanations of the Great Seal. Commentary. ConspiracyArchive.com. Retrieved on 2006-05-04.
    19. ^ Swensson, John (2003). The Dollar Bill & Its Meaning. The Vietnam Conflict: An Academic Information Portal For Education and Research. DeAnza College. Retrieved on 2006-05-04.

    [edit] External links

    * New World Order – Terrorism Used – Video Evidence
    * “Babylon: Secret Rituals of Illuminati” Leilah Publications, LLC (March 23, 2007) ISBN 141965456X
    * U.S. President George H.W. Bush’s New World Order speech
    * Illuminati Archives Occult Conspiracy Enlightenment Site
    * Loose Change Official Website Official site of the Loose Change video
    * New World Order Quotes
    * Revere Radio Network
    * Illuminati Conspiracy Archive
    * NWOWatcher
    * The Plan against the New World Order
    * NWO News Page
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    * VoxNews
    * nw0.info – Archives of various radio shows and videos.
    * New World Order
    * Bilderberg: The secret Committee
    * The High Cabal
    * Information Clearing House
    * 17 Techniques for Truth Suppression
    * Bewareofthis.info
    * The New World Order Wiki- What the New World Order is and what we can do to stop it
    * New World Order Chat
    * Trading in Death: Senators Criticize DARPA Futures Market Program – Corporations wanted to Bet on Future Terrorist Attacks assassinations and coups
    * Free Press International
    * Policing – United States – Corruption
    * Aaron Russo’s – America, Freedom to Fascism
    * Zeitgeist – The Movie 2007

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