Session Start: Sat May 30 00:00:01 2009
Session Ident: #sol.20ognoe
[00:00] <SiCkPuPPy> Om dere driter i å tenke på hva motivet er, så viser dette egentlig hva 20sek i PS kan gjøre med fremheving av et motiv i et ellers flatt bilde..
[00:00] <SiCkPuPPy> http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t262/sickpuppy77/Div%20forum/DSC-5126a.jpg
[00:00] <SiCkPuPPy> http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t262/sickpuppy77/Div%20forum/DSC-5126am.jpg
[00:01] <SiCkPuPPy> Og det der er crappy gjort, jeg brukte burn-tool faktisk.. :p Var før jeg begynte å jobbe godt i flere layers.
[00:01] <john_cons> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3318/3576528651_af2defd17b_o.jpg
[00:01] <john_cons> jeg har også tatt bilde
[00:01] <Kaboff> du er som en liten gutt med de trailerne dine, hehe :p
[00:02] <SiCkPuPPy> Det der er ikke mitt bilde, Kaboff.. :p
[00:02] <Kaboff> veldig dyktig gjort, john_cons
[00:02] <Kaboff> hehe
[00:02] <SiCkPuPPy> jeg bare ga han som tok bildet et vink om at han med veldig små grep kan få fremheva hovedmotivet bedre.
[00:02] <john_cons> ja, det er ikke så dyktig, men man ser at avisa skriver thomas gravesens etternavn som 'graveson' på salgsplakatene
[00:02] <Kaboff> ok
[00:03] <john_cons> det er litt rart i liverpool, synes jeg, hvor folk er så fotballinteresserte
[00:03] <Kaboff> jeg irriterer meg mest over at du ikke har gidda å vri det rett vei før du poster det
[00:03] <john_cons> ja sånn er det i våre degenererte dager
[00:03] <john_cons> folk bryr seg ikke om det som er viktig
[00:04] <Kaboff> er det viktig å påpeke at utenlandske journalister skriver et navn feil?
[00:04] <Kaboff> neppe
[00:04] <Kaboff> det som er viktig, er at du er paranoid
[00:04] <john_cons> åkey, så sier vi det, jeg gidder ikke å diskutere med idioter
[00:04] <Kaboff> ikke jeg heller
[00:05] <Kaboff> Hermansen, vennen din er her
[00:05] <john_cons> nei, det kan så være
[00:05] <john_cons> ja, vel bekomne
[00:05] <john_cons> det var du som prata til meg
[00:05] <Kaboff> dette kalles skriving
[00:05] <john_cons> men, det er faktum at gjennomsnitts-inteligensen i befolkningen er på vei nedover igjen
[00:05] <john_cons> den er over kneika liksom
[00:05] <Kaboff> ja, du har en del av skylden der, vil jeg tro
[00:06] <john_cons> ja, det kan man nesten merke her, synes jeg
[00:06] <Kaboff> staves forøvrig intelligens
[00:06] <john_cons> ja, folk tror stavinga er viktigere enn det som blir sagt
[00:06] <john_cons> er nok pga degenereringa, vil jeg tippe
[00:06] <Hermansen> Kaboff: hehe wow der var det en komplett idiot her i kveld også
[00:07] <Kaboff> vel, det er ofte en fordel å skrive rett, når du skal snakke om andre folks intelligens
[00:07] <Kaboff> det hjelper ikke akkurat din sak at du skriver som en 11-åring
[00:07] <john_cons> ja, rettskriving kommer først, det er viktigst i verden
[00:07] <SiCkPuPPy> Spesielt om formålet er å rakke ned på den.
[00:08] <john_cons> å begynne å hakke på rettskriving osv
[00:08] <john_cons> det er degenereringen, folk eier ikke dømmekraft lengre
[00:08] <Hermansen> john_cons: DU ER DEN MEST KOMPLETTE IDIOT JEG NOEN GANG HAR OPPLEVD PÃ… IRC
[00:08] <Kaboff> det skinner igjennom at din mentale alder er relativt lav
[00:08] <Kaboff> heheheh, Hermansen
[00:08] <john_cons> ja, jeg er vel det hæhæ
[00:08] <Hermansen> :p
[00:09] <john_cons> det er barnehagen på nytt vøtt
[00:09] <john_cons> hermansen og kaboff
[00:09] <Kaboff> mentalt tilbakestående, det er det du er
[00:11] <Hermansen> john_cons: 9DU ER DEN MEST KOMPLETTE IDIOT JEG NOEN GANG HAR OPPLEVD PÃ… IRC
[00:11] <john_cons> nei, det du som er retarderd
[00:11] <Kaboff> I rest my case
[00:11] <john_cons> man bør ha dømmekraft og perspektiv
[00:11] <john_cons> og det vet ikke dere hva er engang
[00:11] <Kaboff> har du downs, john_cons?
[00:11] <Hermansen> Var ikke du ganske godt utdannet john_cons ?
[00:11] <john_cons> dere har nesa perspektiv vøtt
[00:11] <john_cons> bryr dere bare om skrivefeil osv
[00:11] <Kaboff> makes perfect sense
[00:12] <Kaboff> 'dere har nesa perspektiv'
[00:12] <Kaboff> jess
[00:12] <john_cons> sitter der med internett oppi nesa og luker etter skrivefeil
[00:12] <john_cons> 'ere noe skrivefeil her a'
[00:12] <Hermansen> hehe vi bør vel ikke akkurat lukte når det er du som skriver
[00:12] <john_cons> sånn sitter dere
[00:12] <Kaboff> vi bryr oss ikke bare om skrivefeil
[00:12] <Kaboff> vi bryr oss en del om at du er paranoid og
[00:12] <john_cons> blir ikke noe inteligente samtaler av sånt vøtt
[00:13] <Kaboff> du lærer aldri, ser jeg
[00:13] <john_cons> jaja, også komme med personangrep
[00:13] <john_cons> din fitte!
[00:13] <Hermansen> Du kan vel ikke nekte for at du er paranoid?
[00:13] <john_cons> du er en sabotør du kaboff
[00:13] <john_cons> kanal-sabotøren
[00:13] <john_cons> nei jeg er ikke paranoid din idiot
[00:13] <Kaboff> du saboterer nok for alle du
[00:13] <john_cons> spis kaka di du
[00:13] <john_cons> nei jeg saboterer ikke
[00:13] <Hermansen> john_cons: hehe bloggen din tyder vel på at du er det?
[00:14] <Kaboff> neida, mafiaen er jo etter han, Hermansen
[00:14] <john_cons> jaja, å bloggen tyder på det
[00:14] <Hermansen> -jegblirforfultavheleverden- <– hehehe neida er ikke paranoid overhode
[00:14] <Kaboff> det er også politiet og alle hans tidligere kollegaer
[00:14] <john_cons> tror du at du bare kan si at noen er paranoid, pga. at du tror det pga bloggen eller?
[00:14] <Kaboff> ja
[00:14] <john_cons> nei, man kan ikke det, det er noe som heter trakassering og
[00:14] <Hermansen> man må jo anta at det du blogger om er korrekt i hensyn til dine opplevelser?
[00:14] <john_cons> det er ikke lov å trakassere
[00:14] <john_cons> det er ikke det jeg sier
[00:15] <john_cons> skjønner du ikke at folk har krav på å ikke bli trakassert?
[00:15] <Kaboff> ytringsfrihet
[00:15] <Kaboff> folk har lov til å si hva de mener
[00:15] <Kaboff> alt er subjektivt
[00:15] <SiCkPuPPy> trakasserer ikke du, john_cons?
[00:15] <john_cons> yttringsfrihet blir begrenset av at man ikke har lov å trakassere
[00:15] <Kaboff> om du tar deg nær av det, så er det ditt problem
[00:15] <john_cons> SiCkPuPPy: jeg skriver bare hva som har skjedd jeg
[00:16] <john_cons> nei det er ikke mitt problem
[00:16] <Kaboff> du kalte meg nettopp en fitte
[00:16] <Hermansen> john_cons: DU ER DEN MEST KOMPLETTE IDIOT JEG NOEN GANG HAR OPPLEVD PÃ… IRC
[00:16] <Kaboff> det er trakassering
[00:16] <john_cons> det er den som trakasserer sitt problem
[00:16] <Hermansen> husker ikke om jeg skrev det
[00:16] <SiCkPuPPy> Kaller folk for fitter, hevder at vi går i barnehagen på nytt, påstår at kaboff er retarded ++++
[00:16] <Kaboff> lol, Hermansen
[00:16] <john_cons> fordi du provoserte meg det
[00:16] <Kaboff> på ingen måte
[00:16] <john_cons> ja det er fordi de provoserer, jeg markerer at jeg ikke godtar det
[00:16] <john_cons> dere rotter dere sammen
[00:16] <john_cons> fitter
[00:16] <SiCkPuPPy> Om du selv er mer "voksen" enn de, så bør jo du bare heve deg over de og ikke kommentere det.
[00:16] <john_cons> hadde jeg nær sagt
[00:16] <Hermansen> retarderd var han SiCkPuPPy :p
[00:17] <Kaboff> hehe
[00:17] <SiCkPuPPy> "jeg er ikke paranoid din idiot".. Fin måte å ikke trakassere folk på..
[00:17] <SiCkPuPPy> til etterfølgelse.
[00:17] <Kaboff> ble litt lei meg når du kalte meg fitte, john_cons
[00:18] <Kaboff> syns du bør be om unnskyldning
[00:18] <john_cons> det er dere som burde si unnskyld, dere er en mobb
[00:18] <Kaboff> aldri
[00:19] <Hermansen> Hvorfor burde vi si unnskyld?
[00:19] <john_cons> rotter dere sammen tre mot en som en _mobb_
[00:19] <Kaboff> vi benytter oss kun av ytringsfriheten
[00:19] <Hermansen> mobb?
[00:19] <john_cons> les fire linjer over
[00:19] <john_cons> mobb, tre mot en
[00:19] <john_cons> mobber, mobb
[00:19] <john_cons> som rotter
[00:19] <john_cons> thats you
[00:19] <Hermansen> meg bekjent dokumenterer vi bare sannheten
[00:19] <john_cons> nei dere mobber i en mobb, som rotter
[00:20] <Kaboff> har du blitt mobbet og trakassert store deler av liver ditt, john_cons?
[00:20] <Kaboff> livet
[00:20] <john_cons> sånn som rotta der
[00:20] <john_cons> mobbster-rotta Kaboff
[00:20] <Kaboff> svar på spørsmålet
[00:20] <john_cons> ta å tre hue ditt oppi mobb-ræva di din mobbster faen
[00:20] <Hermansen> høhø
[00:21] <Kaboff> du vet, om ting skjer om igjen og om igjen, så er det gjerne en grunn for det
[00:21] <Kaboff> søten, john_cons
[00:21] <john_cons> ja rottene er degenererte
[00:21] <john_cons> det er det som er problemet
[00:21] <Kaboff> det er ingen som tvinger deg til å være her
[00:21] * kelevra has joined #sol.20ognoe
[00:21] <john_cons> degenerasjonen i samfunnet
[00:21] <Kaboff> hei kelevrasøta
[00:21] <john_cons> slutt da din mobb
[00:21] <Kaboff> er du i sengen, kelevra?
[00:22] <kelevra> Det er jeg
[00:22] <Kaboff> mmm
[00:22] <Kaboff> naken?
[00:22] <kelevra> Selvfølgelig
[00:22] <Kaboff> MMMMM
[00:22] <Kaboff> pix plx
[00:23] <kelevra> du får logge deg på www.nakedhothunk.cum med brukernavn: john_cons passord: paranoid
[00:23] <Kaboff> lol
[00:23] <kelevra> var den fin?
[00:23] <kelevra> 🙂
[00:24] <Kaboff> innmari
[00:24] <john_cons> dere er tøffe nå som jeg er i england
[00:24] <Kaboff> tror jeg skal legge meg snart jeg og
[00:24] <Kaboff> må være uthvilt til jeg skal tømme en vodkaflaske i morgen
[00:24] <Hermansen> jeg legger meg ca nå, god natt
[00:24] <Kaboff> ja, vi hadde nok ikke vært sånn om du var i norge, john_cons
[00:24] <Kaboff> god natt, Hermansen
[00:24] <john_cons> nei, rotter er feige en mot en, tror jeg
[00:24] <Kaboff> ok
[00:25] <Kaboff> vi kan ikke klandres fordi du flykta til england, som en annen landsforræder
[00:25] <john_cons> ja som kongen under krigen
[00:25] <kelevra> haha
[00:25] <john_cons> det er dere mobbstere som er quislinger
[00:25] <john_cons> dere blir skutt på festningen
[00:25] <john_cons> er min gjetning
[00:26] <Kaboff> var på festningen for noen uker siden jeg, john_cons
[00:26] <Kaboff> jeg ble ikke skutt
[00:26] <john_cons> nei, det er fordi dere har kontrollen det
[00:26] <Kaboff> åja
[00:26] <Kaboff> vi styrer verden
[00:26] <Kaboff> glemte det jeg
[00:26] <john_cons> norge er under kontroll av mob
[00:26] <john_cons> er min gjetning
[00:26] <kelevra> john_cons: Om du noen gang returnerer til norge, så skal du få bostedsaddressen min, kan love deg med sikkerhet at jeg er akkurat like "tøff" da som nå.
[00:26] <Kaboff> enig
[00:26] <Kaboff> jeg kan love deg at kelevra er like tøff
[00:27] <john_cons> kelevera: ja, hvis jeg beholder loggen så er det mulig jeg setter advokat på deg og
[00:27] <john_cons> det er så mange som har kødda med meg på nettet
[00:27] <john_cons> så jeg kan liksom ikke dra hjem til alle
[00:27] <john_cons> vi får se
[00:27] <kelevra> Ja gjør veldig gjerne det.
[00:27] <Kaboff> hehe
[00:27] <john_cons> ja, det vil fremtiden vise
[00:27] <kelevra> Jeg har mer enn nok loggmateriale til å evt. sende litt i retur om du vil. 🙂
[00:27] <john_cons> kelevra is ~kaaaa@93.89.121.210 * with a license to trashtalk..!!
[00:27] <john_cons> kelevra on #sol.20ognoe #oslo #Anti-14
[00:27] <john_cons> kelevra using *.undernet.org The Undernet Underworld
[00:27] <john_cons> kelevra End of /WHOIS list.
[00:27] <john_cons> ja, norge er et fritt land
[00:28] <Kaboff> ikke en gang en høysterettsjustitiarius(?) tar irc alvorlig
[00:28] <Kaboff> kelevra har lisens, det står der svart på hvitt
[00:28] <john_cons> with a license to trashtalk
[00:28] <kelevra> her sto det hvitt på sort..
[00:28] <Kaboff> kult
[00:29] <john_cons> * Dns resolving 93.89.121.210
[00:29] <john_cons> –
[00:29] <john_cons> * Dns resolved 93.89.121.210 to host-93-89-121-210.vitnett.no
[00:29] <kelevra> [01:31:30] * Dns resolved 86.143.19.177 to host86-143-19-177.range86-143.btcentralplus.com
[00:29] <Kaboff> wow, er du en leet hacker???
[00:30] <kelevra> remarks: * Please send abuse reports to abuse@btbroadband.com *
[00:30] <Kaboff> do me, do me
[00:32] <kelevra> facebook begynte å virke igjen forresten Kaboff.
[00:32] <Kaboff> kult
[00:32] <kelevra> var sikkert mafiaen som hacka meg :/
[00:32] <Kaboff> garantert
Session Close: Sat May 30 00:32:57 2009
Stikkord: Online trakassering
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Logg fra sol.20ognoe om forskjellig tull. (In Norwegian)
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Fra irc-kanalen til engelsk Wikipedia. (In Norwegian)
Session Start: Wed May 27 20:25:15 2009
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
[20:25] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
[20:25] * Topic is ‘Discussion of the English Wikipedia – http://en.wikipedia.org/ | Status: Slow for some | No public logging | Guidelines: http://bit.ly/OiAr | Offtopic chatter to #wikipedia-social | For operator assistance, type !op or join #wikimedia-ops | For emergency admin help, type !admin followed by your request | Join #wikipedia-en-blp for BLP-related fun!’
[20:25] * Set by Majorly on Wed May 27 16:08:42
[20:25] #wikipedia-en url is http://en.wikipedia.org/
[20:25]final
[20:25] <[Soap]> hi JC
[20:25]who is winning?
[20:25]ah
[20:25]MAnchester United v Barcelona
[20:25]hi there
[20:25]Barcelona 2-1
[20:25]no
[20:25] * jc_away is now known as john_cons
[20:25]Barce, 1-0
[20:27]I was muted on wikipedia-no, just for talking there about wiki-stuff (that the son of a former minster, flums, tried to stop me from writing about a norwegian pizza brand, grandiosa, since one of his employers, stabburet, told him to stop me. another admin, Jeblad, then covered this up, explained it as a ‘practical joke’)
[20:27]i try to bring up this case on wikipedia-no, but am just being muted
[20:27]wondering what to do
[20:35] * Disconnected
Session Close: Wed May 27 20:38:16 2009Session Start: Wed May 27 20:40:03 2009
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
[20:40] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
[20:40] * Topic is ‘Discussion of the English Wikipedia – http://en.wikipedia.org/ | Status: Slow for some | No public logging | Guidelines: http://bit.ly/OiAr | Offtopic chatter to #wikipedia-social | For operator assistance, type !op or join #wikimedia-ops | For emergency admin help, type !admin followed by your request | Join #wikipedia-en-blp for BLP-related fun!’
[20:40] * Set by Majorly on Wed May 27 16:08:42
[20:40] #wikipedia-en url is http://en.wikipedia.org/
[20:40]got disconected
[20:40]i’ll try to exlpain again, in case what i wrote didn’t get to the channel
[20:40] * HarryW has joined #wikipedia-en
[20:41]I was muted on wikipedia-no, just for talking there about wiki-stuff (that the son of a former minster, flums, tried to stop me from writing about a norwegian pizza brand, grandiosa, since one of his employers, stabburet, told him to stop me. another admin, Jeblad, then covered this up, explained it as a ‘practical joke’)
[20:41]i try to bring up this case on wikipedia-no, but am just being muted
[20:42]wondering what to do
[20:42]Majorly – I added some questions
[20:42]thanks in advance for any help!
[20:42]john_cons – hold on
[20:43]ok, np
[20:43]john_cons, well I’ve spoken to the channel, they’re not going to unban you.
[20:43]okey
[20:43] * Ose|Barca has joined #wikipedia-en
[20:44]then that’s sorted then i guess
[20:44]thanks for the help then
[20:44]tara
[20:44]john_cons – wait, we’re discussing whether to let you live
[20:44]live?
[20:44] * tombom has quit IRC (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
[20:44] * tombom_ is now known as tombom
[20:44]yes
[20:44]just a bunch of morons here as well
[20:44]fuck off
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Jeg anmeldte han Epp, fra #Spillegal irc-kanalen, for æreskrenkelse/trakassering. (In Norwegian)
Google Mail – Anmeldelse av Epp fra #Spillegal-forumet for æreskrenkelser
Erik Ribsskog
<eribsskog@gmail.com>
Anmeldelse av Epp fra #Spillegal-forumet for æreskrenkelser
Erik Ribsskog
<eribsskog@gmail.com>
Wed, May 27, 2009 at 7:13 PM
To:
post.oslo@politiet.no
Hei,en som kaller seg Epp, på #Spillegal-forumet, han sier at jeg driver å knipser bilder av småjenter.Men sånt vil ikke jeg ha hengende på meg, selv om jeg tar bilder på byen, her i Liverpool,når jeg går ut og tar noen øl. på en natt til søndag, så betyr ikke det at jeg tar bilder avsmåjenter, som han driver å juger om.Det kan være farlig å ha sånne merkelapper på seg, så jeg vil gjerne anmelde han 'Epp'.18:21] <john_cons> hadetbra
[18:21] <epp> ut å knipse bilder av småjenter?Med vennlig hilsen
Erik Ribsskog
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Sjekk klamme #Spillegal da. (In Norwegian)
Session Start: Tue May 26 16:16:29 2009
Session Ident: #Spillegal
[16:16] * Now talking in #Spillegal
[16:16] * Topic is '#Spillegal, where all happy gamers go to die.'
[16:16] * Set by Buggz!~a@77.88.73.162 on Mon May 25 09:33:56
[16:16] <john_cons> er det noe slags krig mellom illuminati og italiensk mafia i oslo, lurte jeg p?
[16:16] <omaen> har du sett the trumanshow john_cons`?
[16:17] <john_cons> hva skjedde med de norske folka da?
[16:17] <john_cons> bare s?nn halvveis
[16:17] <Elfkin> Hva er illuminati egentlig?
[16:17] <john_cons> det er noe kabbalister/krig mot blonde-greier tror jeg
[16:17] <john_cons> 'j?dene' perhaps
[16:17] <omaen> den var litt t??pelig var den ikke john_cons? Litt teit med s??nne konspirasjonsteorier?
[16:17] <john_cons> er lov ? lure vel
[16:17] <epp> men til de grader?
[16:17] <john_cons> er noe som foreg?r i hvertfall
[16:18] <john_cons> traff jeg et ?mt punkt eller
[16:18] <epp> nei
[16:18] <epp> du er bare fucked
[16:18] <john_cons> ?key
[16:18] <john_cons> ok, s? sier vi det
[16:18] <john_cons> osloprins p? veggavisen sa at det var en krig i norge n?, p? veggavisen i 2007, men han sa ikke noe mer
[16:19] <Sancti> Ikke stol p? alt du leser p? interenett
[16:19] <john_cons> nei ikke stol p? noe som bl?r i fem dager og ikke d?r av det
[16:19] <john_cons> (sitat david hjort)
[16:19] <Sancti> Det sa faren min ogs?
[16:20] <john_cons> ?key, jeg kan v?re pappaen din jeg
[16:20] <john_cons> bare tuller
[16:20] <Sancti> sugar daddy
[16:20] <john_cons> jeg skal pr?ve ? v?re seri?s
[16:20] <john_cons> sugar daddy uten penger og vaskemaskin
[16:20] <Sancti> Det er ikke s? farlig, jeg t?ler en sp?k
[16:20] <john_cons> ?key, den er ?lbings
[16:20] <epp> uten det meste kan man vel si?
[16:20] <Sancti> Ja … det blir kanskje ikke s? rare greiene
[16:20] <john_cons> nei det blir bare spetakkel
[16:21] <Sancti> men kan du ikke f? trygd fra England da?
[16:23] <Elfkin> john_cons: Av ren nysgjerrighet, hvor mange anmeldelser totalt har du sendt til politiet? 🙂
[16:23] <john_cons> jeg har ikke telt dem jeg dessverre
[16:24] <john_cons> jeg f?r arbeidsledighetstrygd
[16:24] <john_cons> ihvertfall har jeg f?tt det
[16:24] <john_cons> vi f?r se
[16:24] <john_cons> hva driver du med i london da siri hoho
[16:24] <Elfkin> john_cons: Du gidder ikke h?re p? noe av hva vi har sagt ang. bloggen? Jeg spurte pent om du ville v?re h?flig og fjerne noe, men du vil ikke? o.O
[16:25] <john_cons> riktig, er du treg i pappen eller?
[16:25] <john_cons> h?rer du ikke hva jeg sier eller
[16:25] <Sancti> Ikkeno, egentlig … jeg bare bor her
[16:25] <Elfkin> john_cons: hvorfor skal noen hjelpe deg med noe som helst n?r du oppf?rer deg s?nn?
[16:25] <john_cons> diktator Elfkin
[16:25] <john_cons> prat for deg selv du og ikke for andre
[16:25] <john_cons> dette er ikke din business
[16:25] <Sancti> har jobb i Norge, s? jeg klarer meg en stund til
[16:25] <john_cons> bare bor i london ja, ?key
[16:26] <john_cons> jobb i norge og bor i england da ?key
[16:26] <Sancti> liker meg her
[16:26] <omaen> Hva om alle tankene dine om konspirasjonsteorier er feil john_cons? Hva gj??r du da?
[16:26] <john_cons> jeg gj?r vel bare en ting av gangen jeg
[16:26] <Elfkin> john_cons: ja, hva om alle teoriene dine er feil og du har ?delagt livet til mange folk med bloggen din?
[16:26] <Elfkin> john_cons: er du s? egoistisk at du vil ?delegge hundrevis av liv fordi du har en -teori-?
[16:26] <john_cons> nei, det har jeg vel ikke gjort, jeg bare skriver om ting som har skjedd
[16:26] <omaen> Hva er det f??rste du gj??r da john_cons?
[16:27] <john_cons> jeg har ikke gjort noe ulovlig ihvertfall
[16:27] <omaen> Den f??rste ene tingen
[16:27] <john_cons> det vel den som kom f?r den andre tingen det da
[16:27] <john_cons> eller hva?
[16:27] <john_cons> og etter den nulte tingen
[16:27] <omaen> Hva er det spesifikt da? Kan du forklare det litt nermere?
[16:27] <Elfkin> john_cons: hva med de "drapstruslene" da?
[16:28] <john_cons> nei jeg gidder ikke ? prate seri?st med folk som jeg ikke liker holdningen eller oppf?rslen til
[16:28] <john_cons> du er s? p?g?ende og svett og aggresiv omaen
[16:28] <john_cons> jeg liker ikke deg
[16:28] <omaen> Jeg liker jo deg john_cons
[16:28] <john_cons> jeg liker ikke deg heller Elfkin
[16:28] <omaen> kanskje du skal skrive litt i bloggen om meg?
[16:28] <john_cons> give some air, er det noe som heter
[16:28] <john_cons> dere er s? klamme
[16:28] <Sancti> :/
[16:28] <john_cons> klammingene
[16:28] <Elfkin> john_cons: Hvorfor ikke? Jeg pr?ver ? forholde meg saklig og forst? hva du mener/vil jo..
[16:28] <john_cons> klammingene
[16:29] <john_cons> h?r da idiot
[16:29] <john_cons> jeg vil ikke ha mer s?nn mas n?
[16:29] <john_cons> faen heller
[16:29] <omaen> Hva om du tar feil da john_cons?
[16:29] <john_cons> bare plager en stakkars sjel v?tt
[16:29] <omaen> Har du noengang tatt feil john_cons?
[16:29] <john_cons> g? ? mig deg i ?ret da oma-fuck
[16:29] <john_cons> h?rer ikke v?tt
[16:29] <Elfkin> john_cons: du klager p? at folk plager deg, men du skal f? plage hvem du vil?
[16:29] <john_cons> idiot
[16:29] <john_cons> du og alvedritt
[16:29] <john_cons> piss off
[16:29] <john_cons> lar ikke folk v?re i fred v?tt
[16:30] <omaen> Har du noengang tatt feil john_cons?
[16:30] <Elfkin> john_cons: H?? Det er DU som ikke lar folk v?re i fred..
[16:30] <john_cons> plagsomme kryp
[16:30] <john_cons> slutt da
[16:30] <Elfkin> john_cons: Seri?st, v?r saklig!
[16:30] <john_cons> piss off
[16:30] <john_cons> dere plager
[16:30] <john_cons> faen alts
[16:30] <Sancti> heiheihei, ikke krangle da!
[16:30] <omaen> Har du noengang tatt feil john_cons?
[16:30] <john_cons> har ikek noe respekt for folk
[16:30] <john_cons> piss of da for faen
[16:30] <john_cons> j?vla omaen faen alts
[16:30] <john_cons> dritt alts
[16:30] <omaen> Det er jo bare ett enkelt sp??rsm??l?
[16:30] <Elfkin> john_cons: DU har ikke respekt for folk! Jeg har pr?vd ? prate med deg b?de h?flig og fornuftig jo!
[16:30] <john_cons> faen j?vla idioter her gidder ikek jeg ? v?re
[16:31] <john_cons> mongo dritsekker
[16:31] <Sancti> :(((
[16:31] <Elfkin> john_cons: men du sier bare "piff of" og kaller meg idiot.. hvorfor gj?r du det?
[16:31] <john_cons> kvalme svin
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Feb 13th 2008, 3:11 am #1
johncons
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Hi,I’m really a Nurse living in Britain, but I searched on the internet, regarding some problems I’ve been having, when I tried to go to the USA, in 2005.
Then I had some problems with the Detroit Imigration Control, and they wrote some text in my passport, and sent me back to Oslo, via Paris.
Here’s what was written:
Just now, I searched on the internet, on the text ‘8 CFR 217.4 (a)’.
And I found this post, on this message-board:
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73347
The post-writer, seems to have been having a similar problem as I had, when I tried to go to the US, for a holiday, two or three months, in February 2005.
I wanted to rent a car in Detroit, and drive and see a bit of the country.
But I wasn’t let through the passport-control, and I had to sit an answer questions in a room, for several hours.
And I suspect they were calling like, the Norwegian government, and things like that.
I’m not sure exactly what they mean with ‘no ties outside of the US’.
But if they were afraid that I would exploit the American welfare system, then I think that was a bit strange, since Norway has like a generous, or what the right word is, welfare system.
But anyway.
I had a rented storage in Oslo, with City Self Storage there.
Is that considered a tie outside of the US, I was wondering.
And I have a grandmother in Norway etc., but I’m not sure if that’s considered a tie.
The reason I’m wondering how they define ‘a tie’, is that I’m a bit worried, that people, who they define, as not having ‘a tie’, is being played games with, used as ‘target guys’, etc, by the CIA etc.
So I’m trying to get whatever it is that is going on to stop.
This is a link, where I’ve been trying to explain what’s going on a bit better:
http://johncons.trykker.com/2008/02/…22-pa-engelsk/
So, I would be very if someone knows they define ‘a tie’, because it’s sometimes a bit stressful, with whats going on, and I suspect it could be linked with what happened in the Detroit Imigration Control, or what they are called, in 2005.
So thanks very much in advance for any help!
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Feb 13th 2008, 9:16 am #2
Folinskyinla
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Originally Posted by johnconsSo, I would be very if someone knows they define ‘a tie’, because it’s sometimes a bit stressful, with whats going on, and I suspect it could be linked with what happened in the Detroit Imigration Control, or what they are called, in 2005.
So thanks very much in advance for any help!
Hi:First of all, your facebook link needs a password of some sort.
“Ties” is equivalent to a home outside of the US which you intend to return to.
The 8 CFR 217.4(a) notation simply shows that you were refused entry on the Visa Waiver program — please note that this does NOT count as a formal removal. And fortunately, the “no ties” notation shows that there was NO fraud finding.
The VW is simply an admission under the equivalent of the “B-1/2” non-immigrant categories. [There are some procedural differences]. If you look up section 101(a)(15)(B) of the Immigration & Nationality Act, the very definition of visitor requires that one have home abroad with no intention of abandoning it.
So the reference to “ties” is to show the existence of a residence abroad AND an intent to return to that residence. And those ties can change. For example, the three month visit at a land border is indication of coming to the US to stay — and it was up to you to show that was not true. BTW, did you have a confirmed ticket out of the US or did you simply plan to return to Canada?
That said, since you were not formally “removed”, you are entitled to a new determination if you seek to obtain visitor status again.
You now have proof of an excellent tie to the EC — you have a good job. Do you have other proof of residence in the UK? I’m not familiar with the UK documents that a citizen of another EC country might have that show residence in the UK — driver’s license, Council taxes, etc? That is also good evidence of a residence in the US.
I hope this helps. It is not all that difficult.
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johncons
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Hi,thank you very much for your answer!
Here is a link, by the way, wich has a picture of the passport etc:
http://johncons.trykker.com/2008/02/…32-pa-engelsk/
I’m not really sure if I understand this, but I wasn’t allowed an entry to the USA, because I went there right after my studies in Sunderland, and since I then went to London, and then Holland and Germany.
And then I bought a ticket from Frankfurt to Detroit.
And then I wasn’t allowed an entry to the US, since I didn’t have a non-US address, as I understand it now.
Thats the meaning of ‘a tie’, like I understand it now.
So if one haven’t got a non-US address, then one shouldn’t go to the US, because then you aren’t going to be let in to the country.
Thats how I understand it.
I wasn’t really aware of this at all.
I had a storage where I had the things I couldn’t bring with me to Sunderland.
And I really had a British address as well, since I had really agreed with the Univeristy of Sunderland, that I would stay there untill the summer of 2005.
But there were some problems, with my studiy-finance, and getting the 3rd yeard bachelor computer modules from Sunderland, approved by my home university, HiO, in Oslo.
So I suspect that there could have been something phoney going on with the study-finance and the approveal of the modules.
Anyway, these problems, took a bit of the focus away from the lectures etc.
So I finally recieved my study-finance, in January, about four months late, then I was so behind schedule, that I thought it was smarter to just try to get a job.
So thats why I went to London.
And then there were some problems with some criminal networks, or something like that, there as well, it seemed, so I had to move on.
And after a while, I got a bit tired of these problems, that I didn’t really understand, so I thought I could maybe go to the US, because I didn’t think I would be having problems with being recognised everywhere, like it seemed a bit like I was having a problem with in Europe.
In Detroit, they said that I couldn’t use the visa, that in a way is in the electronic passport that I’ve got, any longer, since I had no lost that possiblity, due to the mentioned problems.
And there has almost been nothing but problems with government/intelligence, something like that, after this episode, so I suspect that they could be linked.
Also, when I got to Oslo, from Detroit, via Paris, then my suitcase wasn’t there.
I had to wait untill the next day for my suitcase.
It appeared then, that some homeland security, or something like that, had withheld my suitcase, since I had a lighter there, together with all my other stuff, from Sunderland.
And also, they said there, in Detroit, that if I didn’t go to Oslo, via Paris, or to London (to which I didn’t want to go, due to the mentioned problems), then I had to stay in prison there, untill the next day.
I didn’t want to start having habbits like going to prison, so I thought it sounded smartest to go to Oslo, even if I think it would have a bit fun to maybe see a bit of the US, on the way to and from prison.
But maybe they would have just put me in a car, from which one couldn’t look out.
So I didn’t actually have a return-ticket, but I had the study-finance money, from Sunderland.
Because I thought it would be smarter to use the money, to get a new job and a flat etc., than continue, with the models there, since I was so behind schedule then, so I don’t really think I would had a chance of passing all the exams anyway.
So I just tried to use my head really, and then contact the University, when I had settled, in London, like I had planned.
But this didn’t go like I had planned it, and I had some problems with my face (long story), on top of this as well, so I just wanted to get a way a bit from the problems, so I thought it could be a good idea, to get away from Europe a few months, and then maybe my face would be better, and could try to get a job etc, when I returned, after a few months.
But I didn’t really understand, why it seemed, that I was recognised everywhere, it was a bit tirering, thats why I tried to go to the US.
But I didn’t really know how to explain all this, with the criminal networks and all to the Imigration Control, I was a bit afraid, that with my luck, I would probably just be sent to Guanatanamo, or something like that, and I didn’t really understand what was going on, so I just told about the University, and the study finance, and things like that.
But I guess I should contact, like eg. the American Embassy, or something like that.
But I think that, one maybe should be a bit carefull, about letting some government, finding out, that one haven’t got an address, if one go travelling, after ones studies etc., then one could be a bit in problems, if the Government find out that you haven’t got ‘a tie’.
At least it seems that way to me.
I’m not sure who to discuss this with, because I don’t this is something that is official.
So I’m not sure if this is something that the different governments want to discuss.
But it seems to me that Governments take advantage of things like this, and I also think that it can sometimes be annoying.
If it is like it seems to me.
Because, I don’t want to complain, but I think that, even if people haven’t got an address at the moment.
Even so, I think that they still have human rights.
So I suspect a bit, that if one are a bit unlucky with the Imigration Control, then one can get to situations were ones human rights, aren’t looked that carefully after.
At least it seems that way to me.
So maybe other people also could get into similar problems, if they are unlucky with the Imigration Control.
But I guess I should try to bring this up with organisations like Amnesty and Human Rights Watch, etc.
Sorry that I’m writing very much here, I know I can’t expect people to read all this, or to answer all my questions, so I understand it if I don’t get any replies to this post.
If one are a Norwegian citizen working in Britain, then one have things like a national insurance number, council tax/utillity bills, British bank-account, etc., so I think it sounds smart to bring things like that probably yes, if one wanted to try to go to the US again.
But I really think I would need to contact the American Embassy and here with them.
But thanks anyway for the reply, it had a lot of usefull information in it, so I’ll look more at this, and then I’ll decide what to do next.
So thanks very much again for the help!
But thanks very much again for the answer, I
Feb 13th 2008, 10:09 am #4
johncons
MemberJoined: Feb 2008
Posts: 9Re: Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.
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Originally Posted by johncons
Hi,I’m really a Nurse living in Britain, but I searched on the internet, regarding some problems I’ve been having, when I tried to go to the USA, in 2005.
Then I had some problems with the Detroit Imigration Control, and they wrote some text in my passport, and sent me back to Oslo, via Paris.
Here’s what was written:
Just now, I searched on the internet, on the text ‘8 CFR 217.4 (a)’.
And I found this post, on this message-board:
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73347
The post-writer, seems to have been having a similar problem as I had, when I tried to go to the US, for a holiday, two or three months, in February 2005.
I wanted to rent a car in Detroit, and drive and see a bit of the country.
But I wasn’t let through the passport-control, and I had to sit an answer questions in a room, for several hours.
And I suspect they were calling like, the Norwegian government, and things like that.
I’m not sure exactly what they mean with ‘no ties outside of the US’.
But if they were afraid that I would exploit the American welfare system, then I think that was a bit strange, since Norway has like a generous, or what the right word is, welfare system.
But anyway.
I had a rented storage in Oslo, with City Self Storage there.
Is that considered a tie outside of the US, I was wondering.
And I have a grandmother in Norway etc., but I’m not sure if that’s considered a tie.
The reason I’m wondering how they define ‘a tie’, is that I’m a bit worried, that people, who they define, as not having ‘a tie’, is being played games with, used as ‘target guys’, etc, by the CIA etc.
So I’m trying to get whatever it is that is going on to stop.
This is a link, where I’ve been trying to explain what’s going on a bit better:
http://johncons.trykker.com/2008/02/…22-pa-engelsk/
So, I would be very if someone knows they define ‘a tie’, because it’s sometimes a bit stressful, with whats going on, and I suspect it could be linked with what happened in the Detroit Imigration Control, or what they are called, in 2005.
So thanks very much in advance for any help!
And I wrote ‘Norse’, and not ‘Nurse’.I took a back-up, of the post, after I’d submitted it:
https://johncons-blogg.net/…ard-still.html
So this harassment-problem, I’m goint to bring up.
It helps showing that there is something going on.
Feb 13th 2008, 10:32 am #5
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Erik, if I were you I’d remove the facebook album that has your passport details etc displayed – it’s amazing what people can do with your personal details.Feb 13th 2008, 10:37 am #6
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Erik, if I were you I’d remove the facebook album that has your passport details etc displayed – it’s amazing what people can do with your personal details.
Hi,yes you’re very right, I removed my bank account number already, so I am aware of the problem you’re bringing up regarding identity theaft etc.
I’m not sure how it fits with the Imigration-stuff, but nevermind.
Thanks anyway!
Erik
Feb 13th 2008, 11:02 am #7
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Erik, meant most kindly – there are some bits in your previous post that are a bit… unusual. I am wondering if you are feeling quite well, perhaps you might like to seek out a doctor as well, just to make sure that you are ok.
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Erik, meant most kindly – there are some bits in your previous post that are a bit… unusual. I am wondering if you are feeling quite well, perhaps you might like to seek out a doctor as well, just to make sure that you are ok.
I think people shouldnt reply to posts if they haven’t got anything to contribute with regarding the subject of the thread.So I would just like to inform the message-board that I don’t really appriciate being f-ed around, like the poster here seems to be trying to, so from now on, I’m not going to reply to harassing posts.
It’s seems like people speculate, to bring the focus away from the real subject of the discussion, at that is a menace, or what the right word is again.
It’s not really something that should be sought after.
Feb 13th 2008, 11:15 am #9
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I think people shouldnt reply to posts if they haven’t got anything to contribute with regarding the subject of the thread.So I would just like to inform the message-board that I don’t really appriciate being f-ed around, like the poster here seems to be trying to, so from now on, I’m not going to reply to harassing posts.
It’s seems like people speculate, to bring the focus away from the real subject of the discussion, at that is a menace, or what the right word is again.
It’s not really something that should be sought after.
No, I was really trying to be nice. I’m sorry you don’t feel that way.
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No, I was really trying to be nice. I’m sorry you don’t feel that way.
Keep to the subject.Don’t bring feelings into this.
Feb 13th 2008, 11:32 am #11
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Originally Posted by johncons
Keep to the subject.Don’t bring feelings into this.
Good luck to you. I hope you find the help you need.
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johncons
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Good luck to you. I hope you find the help you need.
You are really anoying me.Please stop acting personal towards people you don’t know.
And this is a message-board, not a chat-room.
Feb 13th 2008, 11:40 am #13
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Keep to the subject.
Okay… you need to understand that, almost without exception, the US immigration laws are specifically designed to keep non-US citizens *out* of the country. You have no right to enter the US – even as a visitor… it is a privilege. By the way, your “human rights” were not violated just because you were not allowed into the US.Quote:
And this is a message-board, not a chat-room.
This is a public forum… you are *not* obligated to read any responses you get.Ian
Feb 13th 2008, 11:48 am #14
johncons
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Okay… you need to understand that, almost without exception, the US immigration laws are specifically designed to keep non-US citizens *out* of the country. You have no right to enter the US – even as a visitor… it is a privilege. By the way, your “human rights” were not violated just because you were not allowed into the US.This is a public forum… you are *not* obligated to read any responses you get.
Ian
‘Keep to the subject’, wasn’t to you.I’m not obligated to read respones I get.
What kind of nonsense is that?
You are patronising me, and thats harassment, thats illigal.
Stick to the topic, or go f off.
Feb 13th 2008, 11:54 am #15
johncons
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‘Keep to the subject’, wasn’t to you.I’m not obligated to read respones I get.
What kind of nonsense is that?
You are patronising me, and thats harassment, thats illigal.
Stick to the topic, or go f off.
These seems like organised attacks by the way.Definetly something going on.
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Originally Posted by johnconsYou are patronising me, and thats harassment, thats illigal.
Stick to the topic, or go f off.
I see no one subjecting you to “harassment” on this forum, and I would ask you not to swear.Thank you
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That said, since you were not formally “removed”, you are entitled to a new determination if you seek to obtain visitor status again.
Would the OP be entitled to the VWP now, or would he need to apply for a B1/2 visa?Feb 13th 2008, 12:42 pm #18
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These seems like organised attacks by the way.Definetly something going on.
Johncons, you are clearly suffering from delusional paranoia. Your talk of government conspiracies, Immigration conspiracies, organized crime, your face being recognized everywhere, harassment etc. is delusional, and you need to seek psychiatric help far more than you need immigration advice.Oh, and yes I’m sure you’ll take offense at this post, tell me to f-off and announce that I’m part of the conspiracy, but that won’t change the fact that you need to get medical help.
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For every complex problem there is a simple and elegant solution… and it is wrong. – misquoted from H.L. MenckenFeb 13th 2008, 12:51 pm #19
Tracym
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Originally Posted by dbj1000
Johncons, you are clearly suffering from delusional paranoia. Your talk of government conspiracies, Immigration conspiracies, organized crime, your face being recognized everywhere, harassment etc. is delusional, and you need to seek psychiatric help far more than you need immigration advice.Oh, and yes I’m sure you’ll take offense at this post, tell me to f-off and announce that I’m part of the conspiracy, but that won’t change the fact that you need to get medical help.
That’s what I was trying to gently say. Johncons is almost certainly ineligible to visit the US at present, due to his medical condition.If that condition can be treated and stabalised, he might be able to visit.
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I’m going to guess how your POE experience went:POE Officer: Hi there! And what brings you to the US?
Johncons: I thought I could maybe go to the US, because I didn’t think I would be having problems with being recognised everywhere, like it seemed a bit like I was having a problem with in Europe. But I didn’t really understand, why it seemed, that I was recognised everywhere, it was a bit tirering, thats why I tried to go to the US.
POE Officer: Alrighty then… huh, come againMost people say “for a holiday” or “to see relatives” or “to get a hooker in vegas”. I think any of those responses would have been better.
That may account for some of your problems getting in. The ties thing probably didn’t help matters, but I think they were the least of your worries.
Feb 13th 2008, 1:10 pm #21
Tracym
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Originally Posted by hobbes79
I’m going to guess how your POE experience went:POE Officer: Hi there! And what brings you to the US?
Johncons: I thought I could maybe go to the US, because I didn’t think I would be having problems with being recognised everywhere, like it seemed a bit like I was having a problem with in Europe. But I didn’t really understand, why it seemed, that I was recognised everywhere, it was a bit tirering, thats why I tried to go to the US.
POE Officer: Alrighty then… huh, come againMost people say “for a holiday” or “to see relatives” or “to get a hooker in vegas”. I think any of those responses would have been better.
That may account for some of your problems getting in. The ties thing probably didn’t help matters, but I think they were the least of your worries.
He is ill I believe, he can’t help it. I hope things work out for him.
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You are patronising me, and thats harassment, thats illigal.
Clearly, you need to learn more about US law and what is or isn’t considered harassment.Ian
Feb 13th 2008, 1:37 pm #23
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Originally Posted by johncons
These seems like organised attacks by the way.
I’ll say this… you do seem to have your share of adventures! I invite the gentle readers of this forum to read the following links:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Johncons … something about pizza. The discussion at the bottom is really interesting!
and
http://johncons.blog.com/2008/1/ … scroll down and read the entry: “Re: Inhumane treatment from the Government”.
Sad really… very sad!
Ian
Feb 13th 2008, 2:13 pm #24
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Best entertainment I’ve had all day! But it is early in the morning here on the West Coast (0714).Feb 13th 2008, 2:15 pm #25
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Problemene på norsk Wikipedia har jo vært et tema på bloggen, så jeg tar med en logg, fra idag, hvor jeg tok opp noen av disse problemene. (N)
Session Start: Sat May 23 20:37:47 2009
Session Ident: #wikipedia-no
[20:37] * Now talking in #wikipedia-no
[20:37] * Topic is 'I samma stund som segern var klar sprang m??nniskor i Oslo ut p?? sina balkonger och sj??ng refr??ngen till ???Fairytale??? och spelade luftfiol || There's no wikipedia like no.wikipedia'
[20:37] * Set by ZorroIII on Sun May 17 11:12:55
[20:37] #wikipedia-no url is http://no.wikipedia.org
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[20:48] * Thyge is now known as Sir48
[20:53] <Atluxity> Kagee, TOOLS Norge
[20:56] <ZorroIII> Atluxity: man sjekker ose.no
[20:57] <Atluxity> har pr?vd, fant ikke noe mulighet for ? s?ke etter firmanavn
[20:58] <Kagee> Atluxity: var vist ikke s?? lett ?? finne som jeg trodde :s
[20:58] <Kagee> ikke funnet et eneste spor
[20:58] <Atluxity> man skulle ikke tro det var vanskelig, men jeg har pr?vd f?r jeg spurte
[20:58] <Kagee> finner ingenting p?? brreg helelr :-S
[21:03] <Ose> zorolll: ?
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[21:05] <ZorroIII> Atluxity: Tools Norge eies av Bergman & Beving Integration Ab
[21:05] <Atluxity> ja, og?
[21:05] <Atluxity> da finnes de ikke p? oslo b?rs?
[21:07] <john_cons> de er kanskje NUF, norsk utenlandsk registrert foretak
[21:08] <john_cons> har jobbet som company researcher
[21:09] <john_cons> nei de var visst as
[21:09] <john_cons> http://www.purehelp.no/vis.asp?company_name=TOOLS+NORGE+AS&ftknr=5B4B4744431F404C45
[21:09] <john_cons> men det svenske firmaet eier 100% av aksjene
[21:10] <john_cons> s? da er de nok ikke p? oslo b?rs
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Session Close: Sat May 23 21:48:51 2009Session Start: Sat May 23 21:49:01 2009
Session Ident: #wikipedia-no
[21:49] * Now talking in #wikipedia-no
[21:49] * Topic is 'I samma stund som segern var klar sprang m??nniskor i Oslo ut p?? sina balkonger och sj??ng refr??ngen till ???Fairytale??? och spelade luftfiol || There's no wikipedia like no.wikipedia'
[21:49] * Set by ZorroIII on Sun May 17 11:12:55
[21:49] #wikipedia-no url is http://no.wikipedia.org
[21:51] <Atluxity> john_cons, hyggelig ? se deg her, lenge siden jeg har sett deg her n? 🙂
[21:52] <Atluxity> la ikke merke til at du var her
[21:52] <john_cons> heisann, ja jeg har f?tt ny vifte p? pc-en, s? n? klikker ikke pc-en hele tida, s? da g?r det ann ? v?re p? irc
[21:52] <john_cons> men men
[21:53] <Laaknor> 🙂
[21:53] <john_cons> jeg har hatt noe problemer med wikipedia, som jeg tenkte jeg kunne pr?ve ? finne ut av
[21:53] <john_cons> selv om det antagelig blir stress
[21:53] <Atluxity> f?r h?pe det l?ser seg uten s? alt for mye stress 🙂
[21:54] <john_cons> ja, det f?r vi h?pe
[21:54] <john_cons> jeg kan jo begynne med at brukernavnet mitt ble sperret p? wikipedia, uten noe s?rlig bra grunn
[21:54] <john_cons> men det er sikkert stress
[21:54] <Atluxity> hva er brukernavnet ditt igjen?
[21:54] <john_cons> Johncons
[21:54] <Atluxity> jeg husker ikke n?yaktig
[21:54] <Atluxity> skal se p? det
[21:55] <john_cons> ok, kult, thanks
[21:55] <john_cons> hvem er du igjen da Atluxity, kjenner jeg deg fra oslo?
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[21:56] <Jarvin2> Noen DDE fans her?
[21:56] <john_cons> bare lurte, er ikke vant til at folk er s? vennlige
[21:56] <john_cons> bare fleiper
[21:56] <Atluxity> Jeg signerer som "Hans-Petter" p? wikipedia, vi kjenner nok ikke hverandre noe bedre enn via wikipedia
[21:57] <john_cons> nei, stemmer det, jeg har jo v?rt her noen ganger og diskutert
[21:57] <john_cons> bare lurte for sikkerhets skyld
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[21:57] <Atluxity> Jeg pr?ver ? v?re fair mot alle, du har aldri gjort meg noe spesielt
[21:57] <Atluxity> 🙂
[21:57] <john_cons> ok
[21:57] <john_cons> not bad
[21:58] <john_cons> jeg hadde s?nn vifte p? laptop-en, som fulgte med laptop-en, som ikke virka som den skulle, s? da re-starta laptop-en hele tida
[21:59] <Atluxity> hater n?r det skjer, er s? irriterende
[21:59] <john_cons> men den vifta slutta ? virke, s? n? har jeg kj?pt ny vifte p? e-bay, s? n? virker laptop-en hele tida
[21:59] <Atluxity> min driver ? lager gresshoppelyder for tia
[21:59] <john_cons> ja, s? n? kan det tenkes at jeg henger mer p? irc etterhvert, vi f?r se
[21:59] <john_cons> ja, okey
[21:59] <john_cons> rart at den reservedel-vifta jeg kj?pte p? e-bay f?r laptop-en til ? virke, mens den som fulgte med pc-en fikk den til ? re-starte
[22:00] <john_cons> men men
[22:00] <john_cons> kunne ikke v?re p? irc v?tt, for pc-en restarta hele tida
[22:00] <john_cons> men men
[22:01] <Atluxity> du blei jo blokkert fordi du lagde litt for mye "st?y" da, syntes ihvertfall enkelte. Jeg er villig til ? gi deg en ny sjanse, men pr?v ? hold litt lavere profil, ok?
[22:02] <Atluxity> ellers sl?r det liksom tilbake p? meg ogs?
[22:03] <john_cons> ja, jeg skal gj?re det, vi kan jo godt h?re med flere administratorer og
[22:03] <john_cons> kanskje det er bedre ? h?re n?r han 'sjefen' er her
[22:03] <john_cons> jeblad, mener jeg
[22:03] <Atluxity> jeg ber deg ikke om ? godta hva som helst, eller at du ikke f?r lov til ? drive p? wikipedia… jeg veit ikke om sakene blei l?st eller om det har roa seg eller hva
[22:03] <john_cons> hvis man er noe sjef da
[22:04] <Atluxity> hehehe
[22:04] <Atluxity> nei, ingen sjef
[22:04] <john_cons> ?key
[22:04] <john_cons> ja, ja det h?res bra ut det
[22:04] <john_cons> jeg er jo ikke nybegynner n?
[22:04] <john_cons> jeg kan heller h?re her inne kanskje, eller noe, hvis det er noe jeg ikke skj?nner
[22:04] <john_cons> s? blir det ikke s? mye st?y, eventuelt
[22:05] <Jarvin2> Har vi f?tt ny direkt?r her?
[22:05] <john_cons> for i begynnelsen s? var det s?nn at jeg tok opp ting jeg ikke skj?nte, s? ble det 'st?y' av det liksom
[22:05] <john_cons> hvem da mener du?
[22:06] <john_cons> jeg bare pr?ver ? rydde opp i noe problemer jeg har hatt p? wikipedia
[22:06] <john_cons> men jeg regna med at det ble stress
[22:07] <john_cons> jeg trodde nesten jeblad var en slags sjef, men han er vel bare aktiv
[22:08] <john_cons> jeg er ikke s? god p? wikipedia-ting
[22:08] <john_cons> men det er kanskje bedre at jeg driter meg ut her inne, enn p? wikipedia?
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Session Ident: #wikipedia-no
[22:15] * Now talking in #wikipedia-no
[22:15] * Topic is 'I samma stund som segern var klar sprang m??nniskor i Oslo ut p?? sina balkonger och sj??ng refr??ngen till ???Fairytale??? och spelade luftfiol || There's no wikipedia like no.wikipedia'
[22:15] * Set by ZorroIII on Sun May 17 11:12:55
[22:15] #wikipedia-no url is http://no.wikipedia.org
[22:16] <john_cons> jeg hadde problem med serveren
[22:16] <john_cons> kanskje jeg m? finne en stabil server
[22:16] <john_cons> men men
[22:19] <john_cons> er det noen her?
[22:20] <john_cons> kanskje problem med server enda
[22:20] <john_cons> men men
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[22:32] * Now talking in #wikipedia-no
[22:32] * Topic is 'I samma stund som segern var klar sprang m??nniskor i Oslo ut p?? sina balkonger och sj??ng refr??ngen till ???Fairytale??? och spelade luftfiol || There's no wikipedia like no.wikipedia'
[22:32] * Set by ZorroIII on Sun May 17 11:12:55
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[22:41] <blue^elf> noorse 🙂
[22:41] <noorse> hee 🙂
[22:41] <noorse> 'kveld blue^elf 🙂
[22:54] <Jetro> hallo noorse : D
[22:55] <noorse> nemmen 🙂
[22:55] <noorse> godt aa se demses!
[22:55] <noorse> nettet er ikke helt stabilt her, forresten
[22:55] <noorse> ser ut som om det kan vaere uvaer paa gang
[22:56] <blue^elf> a-ha
[23:00] <Atluxity> john_cons, har du referanse p? det om Stoltenberg?
[23:01] <john_cons> ja det st?r p? bilderberg-group-siden
[23:01] <john_cons> og en annen side
[23:01] <john_cons> et sec
[23:01] <john_cons> http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_over_Bilderberg-konferansenes_deltakere
[23:02] <john_cons> og ogs? her st?r det:
[23:02] <john_cons> http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg-gruppen
[23:02] <Atluxity> ah, da s?
[23:03] <john_cons> Under f?lger et utdrag av konferansens deltakere. En mer utfyllende liste finnes i underartikkelen liste over Bilderberg-konferansenes deltakere.
[23:03] <john_cons> [rediger]Norge
[23:03] <john_cons> K?re Willoch,[1][21][22] Gro Harlem Brundtland,[1][21][22] Jens Stoltenberg,[1][21]
[23:03] <john_cons> k
[23:03] <john_cons> jeg lurte p? noe annet og
[23:03] <john_cons> fra de problemene med wikipedia jeg prata om istad
[23:03] <john_cons> men det er kanskje bedre ? ta det p? en ukedag
[23:03] <john_cons> n?r det er fler folk her
[23:04] <john_cons> det var fra f?rste gangen jeg redigerte p? norsk wikipedia
[23:04] <john_cons> s? hadde jeg ikke f?tt brukernavn enda
[23:04] <john_cons> s? jeg skrev med ip-adressen da
[23:04] <john_cons> ogs? dukka det opp en administrator kjetil ree eller kjetilr
[23:05] <john_cons> ogs? skreiv han kommentar 'cons, ikke gj?r det og s?nn da'
[23:05] <john_cons> at jeg redigerte feil
[23:05] <john_cons> for jeg bruker noen ganger nicket 'cons' p? irc
[23:05] <john_cons> men hvordan kunne han vite at det var meg liksom?
[23:05] <john_cons> n?r jeg bare hadde skrevet med ip-adressen p? wikipedia
[23:06] <john_cons> det var rart alts
[23:06] <john_cons> men det blir kanskje mye n?, s? det er kanskje bedre ? ta en seinere dag
[23:06] <john_cons> siden jeg ikke skulle lage s? mye st?y osv
[23:07] <john_cons> eller, det er jo l?rdag kveld, s? vi f?r kanskje ta det litt rolig 🙂
[23:07] <Atluxity> vel… du har jo v?rt litt aktiv p? andre forum, s? folk har kanskje lagt merke til deg… og du skrive p? en litt gjenkjennelig m?te
[23:07] <john_cons> ja, det er kanskje det
[23:07] <john_cons> det bare frika meg ut
[23:07] <john_cons> men men
[23:08] <john_cons> jeg f?r vel kanskje glemme den saken da
[23:08] <Atluxity> skj?nner at det kan ha gjort det, spesielt etter ? ha lest litt p? bloggen din om hva du har opplevd 🙂
[23:08] <noorse> hmm – synes det Atluxity sier rimer her 🙂
[23:08] <john_cons> ja, han kjente kanskje igjen m?ten jeg skreiv p? fra veggavisen
[23:08] <john_cons> det kan v?re
[23:08] <noorse> det hender at folk har en saa egen stil at de kjennes igjen selv om de skriver via IP'er
[23:08] <john_cons> han kjetil ree
[23:08] <noorse> mhm
[23:09] <Atluxity> john_cons, og ogs? hva du skrev om
[23:09] <noorse> han har og vaert paa wiki lenge
[23:09] <john_cons> ja det er mulig
[23:09] <john_cons> det bare var litt spesielt for jeg trodde jeg skreiv som anonym
[23:09] <noorse> tror du kan legge den der til side 😉
[23:09] <john_cons> men drit i det
[23:09] <john_cons> ja, jeg f?r gj?re det
[23:09] <Atluxity> man er ofte mer anonym n?r man har logget inn med et eller annet brukernavn
[23:09] <john_cons> da er det bare noe greier jeg lurte p? om da jeg ble blokka igjen
[23:10] * noorse nikker
[23:10] <john_cons> ja, det er vel ikke s? farlig om han kalte meg cons, var bare jeg som lurte f?lt
[23:10] <john_cons> men men
[23:10] <john_cons> det siste jeg husker
[23:11] <john_cons> det var at han der s?nnen til ansgar gabrielsen
[23:11] <john_cons> hva heter han igjen her da
[23:11] <john_cons> flums
[23:11] <john_cons> flums var det
[23:11] <john_cons> han sa at orkla ville ikke at jeg skulle skrive om grandiosa p? wikipedia
[23:11] <john_cons> at jeg ikke fikk lov ? skrive p? wikipedia, for det hadde orkla bestemt
[23:12] <john_cons> det der skj?nner jeg ikke enda
[23:12] <john_cons> ogs? sa han at jeg var fra et hemmelig organ
[23:12] <john_cons> ogs? ble jeg blokkert, for jeg tok opp det p? tinget
[23:12] <john_cons> ogs? sa jeblad at flums hadde f?tt en advarsel for en 'practical joke'
[23:13] <john_cons> men jeg synes ikke det var noe artig sp?k akkurat
[23:13] <john_cons> det virka ikke som noe practical joke for meg
[23:13] <john_cons> men det burde jeg kanskje ta med jeblad, siden det var han som sa det var det
[23:14] <blue^elf> jeg har ikke snakket med Flums om det eller noe, men jeg er ogs? ganske sikker p? at det var en sp?k. ikke den beste i verden, men likevel… bare sp?k
[23:14] <john_cons> okey
[23:14] <noorse> mhm,
[23:14] <john_cons> han sa ogs? at han hadde fire jobber, i rimi, i orkla og to andre steder
[23:14] <noorse> det mangler veldig mye av kommunikasjonen naar vi bare skriver
[23:15] <john_cons> og han flums, han har ogs? skrevet p? sin hjemmeside
[23:15] <noorse> da kan spoek lett misforstaas – det er vrient aa skrive slikt tydelig
[23:15] <john_cons> 'johncons om du ser dette, s? er jeg like i h?lene p? deg'
[23:15] <john_cons> skrev flums p? hjemmesida si
[23:15] <john_cons> etter at han hadde f?tt en reprimade fra jeblad for ? ta practical joke mot meg her
[23:16] <john_cons> s? dette fortsetter andre steder enn p? wikipedia
[23:16] <john_cons> men jeg har kanskje tatt opp nok ting n?
[23:16] <john_cons> det er litt seint n?
[23:16] <john_cons> jeg kan ta det en annen dag, n?r det ikke er s? seint
[23:16] <Atluxity> jeg har m?tt flums flere ganger, og han pr?vde nok bare ? v?re morsom :S
[23:16] <john_cons> ja, men han hadde jo g?tt over streken en gang
[23:16] <john_cons> det er vel kanksje greit
[23:17] <john_cons> men at han skal fortsette ? tulle med meg, p? hjemmesida si og da
[23:17] <Atluxity> han er ikke s? aktiv lenger, p? wikipedia og irc ihvertfall
[23:17] <john_cons> som wiki op
[23:17] <Atluxity> han er jo med i styret til wikimedia norge da
[23:17] <john_cons> har han ikke et ansvar for ? ikke tulle for mye med vanlige wiki-folk?
[23:18] <Atluxity> p? lik linje med alle sammen
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[23:18] <noorse> alle har vel et ansvar for aa takle folk paa best mulig maate
[23:18] <noorse> problemet er at vi er veldig ulike
[23:18] <john_cons> ok, og det fra hjemmesida hans, h?rer det hjemme her?
[23:18] <noorse> det du taaler, kan vaere jeg ikke taaler
[23:18] <noorse> nei
[23:18] <john_cons> okey
[23:18] <noorse> bare om du tar det med ham direkte
[23:19] <noorse> det som har med wiki aa gjoere, kan vi nok kanskje hjelpe til med – men ikke resten
[23:19] <john_cons> ok, men flums sa at han jobba for orkla, stemmer det eller, eller var det ogs? tull, lurte jeg p? n?
[23:19] <john_cons> at han ekstrajobb for orkla
[23:19] <noorse> sorry, det vet jeg ikke noe om 🙂
[23:19] <john_cons> for da kan han jo ha v?rt inhabil
[23:19] <john_cons> okey
[23:19] <noorse> saa godt kjenner jeg ham ikke
[23:19] <john_cons> skj?nner
[23:19] <john_cons> men kanskje det hadde v?rt interessant ? vite
[23:20] <john_cons> for wikipedia skal vel v?re upartiske
[23:20] <Atluxity> nei, han jobber for et firma som heter Linpro
[23:20] <john_cons> men n? ble jo den artikkelen skrevet om da
[23:20] <john_cons> ja, men han sa han hadde masse ekstrajobber
[23:20] <john_cons> han er jo s?nn av ansgar gabrielsen, en tidligere minister i en borgelig regjering
[23:20] <noorse> kanskje han har hatt sommerjobb en gang i fortiden?
[23:20] <john_cons> han har vel kanskje kontakter her og der gjennom faren
[23:20] <noorse> ehm….
[23:20] <Atluxity> umulig ? si
[23:21] <noorse> akkurat 🙂
[23:21] <john_cons> nei, p? dav?rende tidspunkt, da han sa han representerte orkla
[23:21] <noorse> det der blir original research 😉
[23:21] <Atluxity> jeg kan h?re med han ja
[23:21] <john_cons> ja, n? skriver vi jo ikke artikler n? da noorse
[23:21] <john_cons> vi skriver ikke n?
[23:21] <noorse> nei, det stemmer
[23:21] <john_cons> men men, det er litt seint og
[23:21] <noorse> men jeg er ikke glad i aa snakke om folk som ikke er her 😉
[23:21] <john_cons> nei, vi f?r ta det seinere
[23:22] <Atluxity> jeg skal snart legge meg… f?tt meg hund, og den er morgenfugl…. morgenfuglehund…
[23:22] <noorse> hm
[23:22] <john_cons> hvis Atluxity h?rer med flums, eller vi ser det ann
[23:22] <noorse> den tar stand ved sengen og stikker av med dynen, Atluxity ?
[23:22] <john_cons> okey, takk igjen for hjelpen
[23:22] <noorse> 🙂
[23:22] <john_cons> jeg f?r heller pr?ve ? se om det er noen damer p? nettet som vil chatte, siden det er om kvelden
[23:22] <john_cons> vi f?r se
[23:22] <john_cons> bare tuller
[23:23] <john_cons> jeg f?r stikker herfra selv og, s? tar jeg det heller til uka
[23:23] <john_cons> hadetbra!
[23:23] <noorse> god natt!
Session Close: Sat May 23 23:23:15 2009
