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  • Yankees stole girl?

    I think that the Yankees, or someone else, stole a girl from my work-place.

    If one reads the last blog-entry thorowly , especially the link in post#3, then I think this seems clear.

    (It also seem that the police or some goverment must have been telling some lies about me, because there are lots of people harassing me, especially on page 2 in the thread, on the Expat-site, for no reason.

    And I didn’t act out of line.

    I was anoyed, and was direct, but I moderated my language, I wrote f and not the full word.

    But they have banned me and said that I acted unsivil, when I was only defending myself, and standing my ground.

    So I wonder what the police have been telling, behind my back.

    They have no right to talk about me behind my back).

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    Today, 4:11 am #1
    johncons
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    Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.

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    Hi,

    I’m really a Nurse living in Britain, but I searched on the internet, regarding some problems I’ve been having, when I tried to go to the USA, in 2005.

    Then I had some problems with the Detroit Imigration Control, and they wrote some text in my passport, and sent me back to Oslo, via Paris.

    Here’s what was written:

    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4082&id=1059338080

    Just now, I searched on the internet, on the text ‘8 CFR 217.4 (a)’.

    And I found this post, on this message-board:

    http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73347

    The post-writer, seems to have been having a similar problem as I had, when I tried to go to the US, for a holiday, two or three months, in February 2005.

    I wanted to rent a car in Detroit, and drive and see a bit of the country.

    But I wasn’t let through the passport-control, and I had to sit an answer questions in a room, for several hours.

    And I suspect they were calling like, the Norwegian government, and things like that.

    I’m not sure exactly what they mean with ‘no ties outside of the US’.

    But if they were afraid that I would exploit the American welfare system, then I think that was a bit strange, since Norway has like a generous, or what the right word is, welfare system.

    But anyway.

    I had a rented storage in Oslo, with City Self Storage there.

    Is that considered a tie outside of the US, I was wondering.

    And I have a grandmother in Norway etc., but I’m not sure if that’s considered a tie.

    The reason I’m wondering how they define ‘a tie’, is that I’m a bit worried, that people, who they define, as not having ‘a tie’, is being played games with, used as ‘target guys’, etc, by the CIA etc.

    So I’m trying to get whatever it is that is going on to stop.

    This is a link, where I’ve been trying to explain what’s going on a bit better:

    http://johncons.trykker.com/2008/02/12/facebook-122-pa-engelsk/

    So, I would be very if someone knows they define ‘a tie’, because it’s sometimes a bit stressful, with whats going on, and I suspect it could be linked with what happened in the Detroit Imigration Control, or what they are called, in 2005.

    So thanks very much in advance for any help!

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    Today, 10:16 am #2
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    Re: Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.

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    Originally Posted by johncons

    So, I would be very if someone knows they define ‘a tie’, because it’s sometimes a bit stressful, with whats going on, and I suspect it could be linked with what happened in the Detroit Imigration Control, or what they are called, in 2005.

    So thanks very much in advance for any help!

    Hi:

    First of all, your facebook link needs a password of some sort.

    “Ties” is equivalent to a home outside of the US which you intend to return to.

    The 8 CFR 217.4(a) notation simply shows that you were refused entry on the Visa Waiver program — please note that this does NOT count as a formal removal. And fortunately, the “no ties” notation shows that there was NO fraud finding.

    The VW is simply an admission under the equivalent of the “B-1/2” non-immigrant categories. [There are some procedural differences]. If you look up section 101(a)(15)(B) of the Immigration & Nationality Act, the very definition of visitor requires that one have home abroad with no intention of abandoning it.

    So the reference to “ties” is to show the existence of a residence abroad AND an intent to return to that residence. And those ties can change. For example, the three month visit at a land border is indication of coming to the US to stay — and it was up to you to show that was not true. BTW, did you have a confirmed ticket out of the US or did you simply plan to return to Canada?

    That said, since you were not formally “removed”, you are entitled to a new determination if you seek to obtain visitor status again.

    You now have proof of an excellent tie to the EC — you have a good job. Do you have other proof of residence in the UK? I’m not familiar with the UK documents that a citizen of another EC country might have that show residence in the UK — driver’s license, Council taxes, etc? That is also good evidence of a residence in the US.

    I hope this helps. It is not all that difficult.
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    Today, 11:00 am #3
    johncons
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    Re: Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.

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    Hi,

    thank you very much for your answer!

    Here is a link, by the way, wich has a picture of the passport etc:

    http://johncons.trykker.com/2008/02/13/facebook-132-pa-engelsk/

    I’m not really sure if I understand this, but I wasn’t allowed an entry to the USA, because I went there right after my studies in Sunderland, and since I then went to London, and then Holland and Germany.

    And then I bought a ticket from Frankfurt to Detroit.

    And then I wasn’t allowed an entry to the US, since I didn’t have a non-US address, as I understand it now.

    Thats the meaning of ‘a tie’, like I understand it now.

    So if one haven’t got a non-US address, then one shouldn’t go to the US, because then you aren’t going to be let in to the country.

    Thats how I understand it.

    I wasn’t really aware of this at all.

    I had a storage where I had the things I couldn’t bring with me to Sunderland.

    And I really had a British address as well, since I had really agreed with the Univeristy of Sunderland, that I would stay there untill the summer of 2005.

    But there were some problems, with my studiy-finance, and getting the 3rd yeard bachelor computer modules from Sunderland, approved by my home university, HiO, in Oslo.

    So I suspect that there could have been something phoney going on with the study-finance and the approveal of the modules.

    Anyway, these problems, took a bit of the focus away from the lectures etc.

    So I finally recieved my study-finance, in January, about four months late, then I was so behind schedule, that I thought it was smarter to just try to get a job.

    So thats why I went to London.

    And then there were some problems with some criminal networks, or something like that, there as well, it seemed, so I had to move on.

    And after a while, I got a bit tired of these problems, that I didn’t really understand, so I thought I could maybe go to the US, because I didn’t think I would be having problems with being recognised everywhere, like it seemed a bit like I was having a problem with in Europe.

    In Detroit, they said that I couldn’t use the visa, that in a way is in the electronic passport that I’ve got, any longer, since I had no lost that possiblity, due to the mentioned problems.

    And there has almost been nothing but problems with government/intelligence, something like that, after this episode, so I suspect that they could be linked.

    Also, when I got to Oslo, from Detroit, via Paris, then my suitcase wasn’t there.

    I had to wait untill the next day for my suitcase.

    It appeared then, that some homeland security, or something like that, had withheld my suitcase, since I had a lighter there, together with all my other stuff, from Sunderland.

    And also, they said there, in Detroit, that if I didn’t go to Oslo, via Paris, or to London (to which I didn’t want to go, due to the mentioned problems), then I had to stay in prison there, untill the next day.

    I didn’t want to start having habbits like going to prison, so I thought it sounded smartest to go to Oslo, even if I think it would have a bit fun to maybe see a bit of the US, on the way to and from prison.

    But maybe they would have just put me in a car, from which one couldn’t look out.

    So I didn’t actually have a return-ticket, but I had the study-finance money, from Sunderland.

    Because I thought it would be smarter to use the money, to get a new job and a flat etc., than continue, with the models there, since I was so behind schedule then, so I don’t really think I would had a chance of passing all the exams anyway.

    So I just tried to use my head really, and then contact the University, when I had settled, in London, like I had planned.

    But this didn’t go like I had planned it, and I had some problems with my face (long story), on top of this as well, so I just wanted to get a way a bit from the problems, so I thought it could be a good idea, to get away from Europe a few months, and then maybe my face would be better, and could try to get a job etc, when I returned, after a few months.

    But I didn’t really understand, why it seemed, that I was recognised everywhere, it was a bit tirering, thats why I tried to go to the US.

    But I didn’t really know how to explain all this, with the criminal networks and all to the Imigration Control, I was a bit afraid, that with my luck, I would probably just be sent to Guanatanamo, or something like that, and I didn’t really understand what was going on, so I just told about the University, and the study finance, and things like that.

    But I guess I should contact, like eg. the American Embassy, or something like that.

    But I think that, one maybe should be a bit carefull, about letting some government, finding out, that one haven’t got an address, if one go travelling, after ones studies etc., then one could be a bit in problems, if the Government find out that you haven’t got ‘a tie’.

    At least it seems that way to me.

    I’m not sure who to discuss this with, because I don’t this is something that is official.

    So I’m not sure if this is something that the different governments want to discuss.

    But it seems to me that Governments take advantage of things like this, and I also think that it can sometimes be annoying.

    If it is like it seems to me.

    Because, I don’t want to complain, but I think that, even if people haven’t got an address at the moment.

    Even so, I think that they still have human rights.

    So I suspect a bit, that if one are a bit unlucky with the Imigration Control, then one can get to situations were ones human rights, aren’t looked that carefully after.

    At least it seems that way to me.

    So maybe other people also could get into similar problems, if they are unlucky with the Imigration Control.

    But I guess I should try to bring this up with organisations like Amnesty and Human Rights Watch, etc.

    Sorry that I’m writing very much here, I know I can’t expect people to read all this, or to answer all my questions, so I understand it if I don’t get any replies to this post.

    If one are a Norwegian citizen working in Britain, then one have things like a national insurance number, council tax/utillity bills, British bank-account, etc., so I think it sounds smart to bring things like that probably yes, if one wanted to try to go to the US again.

    But I really think I would need to contact the American Embassy and here with them.

    But thanks anyway for the reply, it had a lot of usefull information in it, so I’ll look more at this, and then I’ll decide what to do next.

    So thanks very much again for the help!

    But thanks very much again for the answer, I

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    Today, 11:09 am #4
    johncons
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    Re: Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.

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    Originally Posted by johncons
    Hi,

    I’m really a Nurse living in Britain, but I searched on the internet, regarding some problems I’ve been having, when I tried to go to the USA, in 2005.

    Then I had some problems with the Detroit Imigration Control, and they wrote some text in my passport, and sent me back to Oslo, via Paris.

    Here’s what was written:

    Just now, I searched on the internet, on the text ‘8 CFR 217.4 (a)’.

    And I found this post, on this message-board:

    http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73347

    The post-writer, seems to have been having a similar problem as I had, when I tried to go to the US, for a holiday, two or three months, in February 2005.

    I wanted to rent a car in Detroit, and drive and see a bit of the country.

    But I wasn’t let through the passport-control, and I had to sit an answer questions in a room, for several hours.

    And I suspect they were calling like, the Norwegian government, and things like that.

    I’m not sure exactly what they mean with ‘no ties outside of the US’.

    But if they were afraid that I would exploit the American welfare system, then I think that was a bit strange, since Norway has like a generous, or what the right word is, welfare system.

    But anyway.

    I had a rented storage in Oslo, with City Self Storage there.

    Is that considered a tie outside of the US, I was wondering.

    And I have a grandmother in Norway etc., but I’m not sure if that’s considered a tie.

    The reason I’m wondering how they define ‘a tie’, is that I’m a bit worried, that people, who they define, as not having ‘a tie’, is being played games with, used as ‘target guys’, etc, by the CIA etc.

    So I’m trying to get whatever it is that is going on to stop.

    This is a link, where I’ve been trying to explain what’s going on a bit better:

    http://johncons.trykker.com/2008/02/…22-pa-engelsk/

    So, I would be very if someone knows they define ‘a tie’, because it’s sometimes a bit stressful, with whats going on, and I suspect it could be linked with what happened in the Detroit Imigration Control, or what they are called, in 2005.

    So thanks very much in advance for any help!

    And I wrote ‘Norse’, and not ‘Nurse’.

    I took a back-up, of the post, after I’d submitted it:

    https://johncons-blogg.net/…ard-still.html

    So this harassment-problem, I’m goint to bring up.

    It helps showing that there is something going on.

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    Today, 11:32 am #5
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    Re: Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.

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    Erik, if I were you I’d remove the facebook album that has your passport details etc displayed – it’s amazing what people can do with your personal details.

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    Today, 11:37 am #6
    johncons
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    Re: Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.

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    Originally Posted by augigi
    Erik, if I were you I’d remove the facebook album that has your passport details etc displayed – it’s amazing what people can do with your personal details.

    Hi,

    yes you’re very right, I removed my bank account number already, so I am aware of the problem you’re bringing up regarding identity theaft etc.

    I’m not sure how it fits with the Imigration-stuff, but nevermind.

    Thanks anyway!

    Erik

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    Today, 12:02 pm #7
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    Re: Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.

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    Erik, meant most kindly – there are some bits in your previous post that are a bit… unusual. I am wondering if you are feeling quite well, perhaps you might like to seek out a doctor as well, just to make sure that you are ok.
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    Today, 12:13 pm #8
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    Re: Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.

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    Originally Posted by Tracym
    Erik, meant most kindly – there are some bits in your previous post that are a bit… unusual. I am wondering if you are feeling quite well, perhaps you might like to seek out a doctor as well, just to make sure that you are ok.

    I think people shouldnt reply to posts if they haven’t got anything to contribute with regarding the subject of the thread.

    So I would just like to inform the message-board that I don’t really appriciate being f-ed around, like the poster here seems to be trying to, so from now on, I’m not going to reply to harassing posts.

    It’s seems like people speculate, to bring the focus away from the real subject of the discussion, at that is a menace, or what the right word is again.

    It’s not really something that should be sought after.

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    Today, 12:15 pm #9
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    Re: Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.

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    Originally Posted by johncons
    I think people shouldnt reply to posts if they haven’t got anything to contribute with regarding the subject of the thread.

    So I would just like to inform the message-board that I don’t really appriciate being f-ed around, like the poster here seems to be trying to, so from now on, I’m not going to reply to harassing posts.

    It’s seems like people speculate, to bring the focus away from the real subject of the discussion, at that is a menace, or what the right word is again.

    It’s not really something that should be sought after.

    No, I was really trying to be nice. I’m sorry you don’t feel that way.
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    Today, 12:17 pm #10
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    Re: Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.

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    Quote:
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    No, I was really trying to be nice. I’m sorry you don’t feel that way.

    Keep to the subject.

    Don’t bring feelings into this.

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    Today, 12:32 pm #11
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    Keep to the subject.

    Don’t bring feelings into this.

    Good luck to you. I hope you find the help you need.
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    Today, 12:35 pm #12
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    Re: Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tracym
    Good luck to you. I hope you find the help you need.

    You are really anoying me.

    Please stop acting personal towards people you don’t know.

    And this is a message-board, not a chat-room.

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    Today, 12:40 pm #13
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    Re: Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.

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    Originally Posted by johncons
    Keep to the subject.

    Okay… you need to understand that, almost without exception, the US immigration laws are specifically designed to keep non-US citizens *out* of the country. You have no right to enter the US – even as a visitor… it is a privilege. By the way, your “human rights” were not violated just because you were not allowed into the US.

    Quote:
    And this is a message-board, not a chat-room.

    This is a public forum… you are *not* obligated to read any responses you get.

    Ian

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    Today, 12:48 pm #14
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    Re: Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.

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    Originally Posted by ian-mstm
    Okay… you need to understand that, almost without exception, the US immigration laws are specifically designed to keep non-US citizens *out* of the country. You have no right to enter the US – even as a visitor… it is a privilege. By the way, your “human rights” were not violated just because you were not allowed into the US.

    This is a public forum… you are *not* obligated to read any responses you get.

    Ian

    ‘Keep to the subject’, wasn’t to you.

    I’m not obligated to read respones I get.

    What kind of nonsense is that?

    You are patronising me, and thats harassment, thats illigal.

    Stick to the topic, or go f off.

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    Today, 12:54 pm #15
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    Re: Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.

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    ‘Keep to the subject’, wasn’t to you.

    I’m not obligated to read respones I get.

    What kind of nonsense is that?

    You are patronising me, and thats harassment, thats illigal.

    Stick to the topic, or go f off.

    These seems like organised attacks by the way.

    Definetly something going on.

    http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=513951

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    Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.

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    Hi,

    I’m really a Nurse living in Britain, but I searched on the internet, regarding some problems I’ve been having, when I tried to go to the USA, in 2005.

    Then I had some problems with the Detroit Imigration Control, and they wrote some text in my passport, and sent me back to Oslo, via Paris.

    Here’s what was written:

    Just now, I searched on the internet, on the text ‘8 CFR 217.4 (a)’.

    And I found this post, on this message-board:

    http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73347

    The post-writer, seems to have been having a similar problem as I had, when I tried to go to the US, for a holiday, two or three months, in February 2005.

    I wanted to rent a car in Detroit, and drive and see a bit of the country.

    But I wasn’t let through the passport-control, and I had to sit an answer questions in a room, for several hours.

    And I suspect they were calling like, the Norwegian government, and things like that.

    I’m not sure exactly what they mean with ‘no ties outside of the US’.

    But if they were afraid that I would exploit the American welfare system, then I think that was a bit strange, since Norway has like a generous, or what the right word is, welfare system.

    But anyway.

    I had a rented storage in Oslo, with City Self Storage there.

    Is that considered a tie outside of the US, I was wondering.

    And I have a grandmother in Norway etc., but I’m not sure if that’s considered a tie.

    The reason I’m wondering how they define ‘a tie’, is that I’m a bit worried, that people, who they define, as not having ‘a tie’, is being played games with, used as ‘target guys’, etc, by the CIA etc.

    So I’m trying to get whatever it is that is going on to stop.

    This is a link, where I’ve been trying to explain what’s going on a bit better:

    http://johncons.trykker.com/2008/02/…22-pa-engelsk/

    So, I would be very if someone knows they define ‘a tie’, because it’s sometimes a bit stressful, with whats going on, and I suspect it could be linked with what happened in the Detroit Imigration Control, or what they are called, in 2005.

    So thanks very much in advance for any help!

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    Today, 10:16 am #2
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    Re: Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.

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    Originally Posted by johncons

    So, I would be very if someone knows they define ‘a tie’, because it’s sometimes a bit stressful, with whats going on, and I suspect it could be linked with what happened in the Detroit Imigration Control, or what they are called, in 2005.

    So thanks very much in advance for any help!

    Hi:

    First of all, your facebook link needs a password of some sort.

    “Ties” is equivalent to a home outside of the US which you intend to return to.

    The 8 CFR 217.4(a) notation simply shows that you were refused entry on the Visa Waiver program — please note that this does NOT count as a formal removal. And fortunately, the “no ties” notation shows that there was NO fraud finding.

    The VW is simply an admission under the equivalent of the “B-1/2” non-immigrant categories. [There are some procedural differences]. If you look up section 101(a)(15)(B) of the Immigration & Nationality Act, the very definition of visitor requires that one have home abroad with no intention of abandoning it.

    So the reference to “ties” is to show the existence of a residence abroad AND an intent to return to that residence. And those ties can change. For example, the three month visit at a land border is indication of coming to the US to stay — and it was up to you to show that was not true. BTW, did you have a confirmed ticket out of the US or did you simply plan to return to Canada?

    That said, since you were not formally “removed”, you are entitled to a new determination if you seek to obtain visitor status again.

    You now have proof of an excellent tie to the EC — you have a good job. Do you have other proof of residence in the UK? I’m not familiar with the UK documents that a citizen of another EC country might have that show residence in the UK — driver’s license, Council taxes, etc? That is also good evidence of a residence in the US.

    I hope this helps. It is not all that difficult.
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    Re: Problems with US imigration control, ‘no ties outside US’.

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by johncons
    Hi,

    I’m really a Nurse living in Britain, but I searched on the internet, regarding some problems I’ve been having, when I tried to go to the USA, in 2005.

    Then I had some problems with the Detroit Imigration Control, and they wrote some text in my passport, and sent me back to Oslo, via Paris.

    Here’s what was written:

    Just now, I searched on the internet, on the text ‘8 CFR 217.4 (a)’.

    And I found this post, on this message-board:

    http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73347

    The post-writer, seems to have been having a similar problem as I had, when I tried to go to the US, for a holiday, two or three months, in February 2005.

    I wanted to rent a car in Detroit, and drive and see a bit of the country.

    But I wasn’t let through the passport-control, and I had to sit an answer questions in a room, for several hours.

    And I suspect they were calling like, the Norwegian government, and things like that.

    I’m not sure exactly what they mean with ‘no ties outside of the US’.

    But if they were afraid that I would exploit the American welfare system, then I think that was a bit strange, since Norway has like a generous, or what the right word is, welfare system.

    But anyway.

    I had a rented storage in Oslo, with City Self Storage there.

    Is that considered a tie outside of the US, I was wondering.

    And I have a grandmother in Norway etc., but I’m not sure if that’s considered a tie.

    The reason I’m wondering how they define ‘a tie’, is that I’m a bit worried, that people, who they define, as not having ‘a tie’, is being played games with, used as ‘target guys’, etc, by the CIA etc.

    So I’m trying to get whatever it is that is going on to stop.

    This is a link, where I’ve been trying to explain what’s going on a bit better:

    http://johncons.trykker.com/2008/02/…22-pa-engelsk/

    So, I would be very if someone knows they define ‘a tie’, because it’s sometimes a bit stressful, with whats going on, and I suspect it could be linked with what happened in the Detroit Imigration Control, or what they are called, in 2005.

    So thanks very much in advance for any help!

    I wrote ‘Norse’ and not ‘Nurse’.

    (I took a back-up of the post, after I’d submitted it:

    https://johncons-blogg.net/…ard-still.html).

    So this harassment-incident, I’m going to bring on.

    I think this helps showing that theres something going on.

    http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5925954#post5925954

  • British Expat Message Board (Still unpublished), 13/2.

    Hi,

    I’m really a Norse living in Britain, but I searched on the internet, regarding some problems I’ve been having, when I tried to go to the USA, in 2005.

    Then I had some problems with the Detroit Imigration Control, and they wrote some text in my passport, and sent me back to Oslo, via Paris.

    Here’s what was written:

    Just now, I searched on the internet, on the text ‘8 CFR 217.4 (a)’.

    And I found this post, on this message-board:

    http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73347

    The post-writer, seems to have been having a similar problem as I had, when I tried to go to the US, for a holiday, two or three months, in February 2005.

    I wanted to rent a car in Detroit, and drive and see a bit of the country.

    But I wasn’t let through the passport-control, and I had to sit an answer questions in a room, for several hours.

    And I suspect they were calling like, the Norwegian government, and things like that.

    I’m not sure exactly what they mean with ‘no ties outside of the US’.

    But if they were afraid that I would exploit the American welfare system, then I think that was a bit strange, since Norway has like a generous, or what the right word is, welfare system.

    But anyway.

    I had a rented storage in Oslo, with City Self Storage there.

    Is that considered a tie outside of the US, I was wondering.

    And I have a grandmother in Norway etc., but I’m not sure if that’s considered a tie.

    The reason I’m wondering how they define ‘a tie’, is that I’m a bit worried, that people, who they define, as not having ‘a tie’, is being played games with, used as ‘target guys’, etc, by the CIA etc.

    So I’m trying to get whatever it is that is going on to stop.

    This is a link, where I’ve been trying to explain what’s going on a bit better:

    http://johncons.trykker.com/2008/02/12/facebook-122-pa-engelsk/

    So, I would be very if someone knows they define ‘a tie’, because it’s sometimes a bit stressful, with whats going on, and I suspect it could be linked with what happened in the Detroit Imigration Control, or what they are called, in 2005.

    So thanks very much in advance for any help!

  • Dagbladet Message Board, 11/2. (In Norwegian).

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    anbefalingerBra! Røyk.
    Skrevet av cons 11.02.2008 kl. 22:49

    Ok, så i de to gamle murstein-konstruksjonene til høyre på bilde, så driver de å spalter atomer osv da?

    Altså, de driver å deler opp et atom, som er alt for lite til å kunne synes.

    Er det sånn det ligger ann?

    Og hvorfor kjøper Storbritannia gass fra Norge da, når dem bare kunne bygd et par sånne reaktorer til da.

    Og hvorfor er strømmen så dyr i England?

    I Norge, så var jo strømmen nesten gratis på 70 og 80-tallet.

    Men nå sier dem at vi bruker så mye strøm, så nå koster strømmen flere tusen i måneden gjerne vel.

    Enda vel en god del kraftkrevende industri nok har blitt lagt ned vel?

    Jeg mener, folk sitter vel stort sett å ser på TV om kvelden, som de gjorde på 70 og 80-tallet.

    Hva er det folk bruker så mye mer strøm til nå, enn på 70 og 80-tallet.

    PC-er bruker vel ikke så mye strøm.

    Det dyreste er vel oppvarming, men folk hadde jo husene varme på 70 og 80-tallet og.

    Jeg husker de elektriske ovenen da, var bare noe som stod på, og som det ikke var så nøye hvor mange grader dem stod på.

    Samme med lyset.

    Lyset stod jo alltid på i alle romma i Norge, mens i England f.eks. så skrur folk av lyset i rom dem ikke oppholder seg i.

    Og det samme i f.eks. Frankrike.

    Der skrur folk av lyset på hoteller om natta til og med, husker jeg.

    Og folk skrur av TV-en, når det ikke er et program dem absolutt skal se på.

    Så det som skjedde med strøm-markedet i Norge, er vel litt rart da.

    Man er sikre på at ingen har lurt folka i Norge da?

    Altså, på 70 og 80-tallet, så var strømmen omtrent gratis, og ingen tenkte på strøm-regninga.

    På 2000-tallet, så blir strømnettet kobla sammen med utlandet, også blir strømmen plutselig mye dyrere, så pensjonister har ikke råd å betale strømregning på over 5000 osv.

    Men det er mulig det er fordi det er mindre snø nå da, som smelter, og går gjennom fossene, på Vestlandet osv.

    Det er mulig, jeg er ikke så ofte på Vestlandet osv., men er ikke nedbøren ganske konstant da.

    Hvis det ikke faller snø, så faller det vel kanskje regn da?

    Eller har jeg misforstått nå?

    Men men, man kan ikke skjønne alt.

    Men jeg synes kanskje ting kan tyde litt på at vanlige folk i Norge ble litt lurt med det her med strømmen osv.

    Og også at det er litt rart, at alt skal være så dyrt og tungvint og byråkratisk osv. i Norge, når vel Norge må være landet med mest naturresurser i verden.

    Masse olje, gass, vannkraft fra fossefall, fisk, etc.

    Men likevel, så er bensinen dyr, strømmen dyr, fisken dyr, etc.

    Prisene på dette ligger vel kanskje på samme nivå som i utlandet.

    Og lønningene er jo mye høyere i Norge.

    Men skattene er jo høye, og prisene på varer og tjenester er jo høye.

    Så det kan virke som om alle naturressursene Norge har.

    At pengene fra all oljen, gassen, vannkraften, fisken osv.

    At pengene fra dette, går til å betale for et stort statsapparat, som halvparten av folka jobber, eller ‘jobber’ i.

    For det er vel ikke nok jobb, i forbindelse med å styre landet, til at det kan bli fornuftige ting å gjøre for halvparten av arbeidsstyrken?

    Dem må vel til en viss grad finne opp ting å bruke tia på?

    Hadde det ikke vært bedre å hatt et statsapparat, på størrelse med andre land, også heller latt de her folka gjøre noe ordentlig arbeid?

    Hvis man lar dem jobbe i private bedrifter, så vet man jo at det er en eier der, som gjerne vil holde utgifter nede, og driften effektiv.

    For å få resultater fra investeringen sin.

    Mens hvis staten er eier, så er det tar folk kanskje det ikke så nøye, om kostnadene holdes nede, at man bruker hue i forbindelse med økonomien, og driver effektivt.

    Og det er vel ikke noe værre å jobbe i en privat bedrift, enn å jobbe i en statlig bedrift.

    Noen sier at det er tryggere å jobbe i en statlig bedrift, men det er jo sikkerhetsnett, i veldferdstaten osv., sånn at man skal klare seg, også i tilfelle man mister jobben.

    Så det er vel ikke noe utrygt å jobbe i en privat bedrift da.

    Men det er sikkert noen andre som skjønner det.

    Det virker litt som om atombomber og plutomiumen kunne ha vært en røverhistorie, synes jeg noen ganger i hvertfall.

    Hva er røyken som kommer opp der da, er det Co2, eller er det vann-damp eller?

    Jeg synes det her med spalte atomer, som er det minste i verden, og så få masse skummelt ut av å drive å dele opp det minste i verden.

    Som radioaktivitet og plutonium osv.

    Jeg synes det virker litt rart, hvis man prøver å tenke på det, sånn fra et helt vanlig menneskes perspektiv.

    At vi har noe som heter radioaktivitet, som man ikke kan se, men som fungerer på en måte som kryptonium mot Supermann.

    Og hvis man deler det minste som finnes, atomet, så får man noe som kan lage den største eksplosjonen i verden.

    Det synes jeg høres litt rart ut.

    Det minste i verden, som er så lite at man ikke kan se det en gang.

    Det atomet, det kan lage den største eksplosjonen i verden, bare man deler det opp.

    Hm.

    Folk er sikre på at det er ingen som tuller her?

    Men hvis myndighetene sier at det er sånn, så er det vel sånn da?

    Det kan ikke ha vært noe, som noen har funnet på det her?

    Med noe agenda, å holde de landene som ikke har atomkraft, eller ‘atomkraft’.

    Og som ikke har atombomber, eller ‘atombomber’.

    Å holde disse landa i sjakk?

    I forbindelse med noe agenda å få hevn over vikingene?

    Kan det være noe mulighet?

    Eller er det så usannsynlig, at det ikke er verdt å tenke på engang?

    Det er sikkert noen som har noe svar på dette, så på forhånd takk for svar!

    Nytt innlegg Svar på innlegg Varsle 1
    anbefalingerBra! RE: Røyk.
    Skrevet av lolsipop(nikkott) 11.02.2008 kl. 22:57

    Skriv en kommentar, ikke en forbanna roman.

    Nytt innlegg Svar på innlegg Varsle 1
    anbefalingerBra! RE: Røyk.
    Skrevet av cons 12.02.2008 kl. 00:15

    Da er vi over på et tema, som jeg synes er ofte aktuelt i Norge.

    Og det er trakassering.

    Eller høflighet da.

    Bestemmer du hva jeg skal skrive?

    Hva jeg skriver her, er en sak mellom meg og Dagbladet.

    Eller er du mora mi?

    Du driver faktisk å patroniserer meg.

    Nå kunne jeg klagd, men nå er jeg ganske vant til det her, men hvis det blir mer, så er det nok ikke umulig at jeg klager nei.

    Vi får se.

    Nytt innlegg Svar på innlegg Varsle 1
    anbefalingerBra! Som å høre på Guttungen
    Skrevet av Titi 12.02.2008 kl. 00:11

    Så mye svada. Du burde ringe Guttungen Jens å få deg en jobb på statsministerns kontor eller i NRK

    Nytt innlegg Svar på innlegg Varsle 0
    anbefalingerBra! RE: Som å høre på Guttungen
    Skrevet av cons 12.02.2008 kl. 00:22

    Hei, ja du er også utenfor tema.

    Du driver også å trakasserer.

    Du skriver at, det jeg skriver er svada.

    Da er du nedlatende (uhøflig), ovenfor meg.

    Fordi da sier du implisitt at jeg er på lavere nivå enn de andre.

    Fordi det jeg skriver er svada.

    I forhold til det som er vanlig, det de andre skriver.

    Så da setter du meg på et lavere nivå enn de andre.

    Og det er trakassering, som vel er forbudt i følge lov, i hvertfall i Storbritannia.

    Det er sikkert lov å mene at det som står der er svada, men det er nedlatende/trakasserende, å si noe til folk, som er nedlatende.

    I hvertfall hvis det er uønsket.

    Nå trodde du kanskje at du kjente meg, og du trodde kanskje at jeg likte å bli hersa med.

    Men det stemmer nok ikke, så jeg skriver en advarsel her da, at neste gang klager jeg nok.

    Så skriver jeg det her for å forklare.

    Og du er patroniserende.

    Du forteller meg hva jeg burde gjøre.

    Som om du var min formynder, altså som om du var mora mi da.

    Det tror jeg er et problem i Norge, ettersom jeg merker i forhold til utlandet.

    Det er masse ukjente folk som gjerne vil være mora di.

    Hvor kommer alle disse wannabe-mødrene fra?

    Hvorfor er det så mange av dem i Norge?

    Er det fordi Norge grenser til Russland, og russerne har lært dem norsk, og smugler dem over grensa, for å få dem til å lage faenskap?

    Man kan lure i hvertfall.

    Det synes i allefall jeg.

    Nytt innlegg Svar på innlegg Varsle 0
    anbefalingerBra! RE: Som å høre på Guttungen
    Skrevet av Titi 12.02.2008 kl. 00:29

    Tar det tilbake.

    Nå jeg tenker meg om er jeg egentlig enig.

    Du er Gerhardsen

    Du er Vidsom

    Du er Sannheten

    Du er NRK og P2 på en gang

    Du sitter allerede i regjeringen fordi du er

    Fullkommen

    Det synes i allefall jeg

    Nytt innlegg Svar på innlegg Varsle 0
    anbefalingerBra! RE: Som å høre på Guttungen Valgt innlegg
    Skrevet av cons 12.02.2008 kl. 00:48

    Prøver du å herme etter min stil nå.

    Jeg synes du hersjer med meg enda.

    Nå klager jeg ikke den her gangen, for jeg vil gjerne illustrere et eksempel, som vel blir borte hvis postene blir slettet.

    Men her forklarer jeg hva jeg mener:

    Nå skriver du at det jeg skriver er svada.

    Da er du uhøflig/nedlatende ovenfor meg, du skriver at det jeg skriver er svada, i forhold til det de andre skriver, som er vanlig.

    Da setter du meg på et lavere nivå enn de andre.

    Det er vel greit å mene det.

    Men nå er vi tross alt begge fra samme land.

    Da burde vi vel kunne diskutere i sivilserte former.

    Vi kommer da ikke fra to forskjellige land som er i krig med hverandre?

    Du tror kanskje at jeg liker å bli hersja med på en uhøflig/u-sivilisert/nærmest krigersk måte.

    Da blander du nok meg med noen andre.

    Når jeg sitter å kommenterer her, er det for å bidra til samfunssdebatten i Norge, og pga.

    interesser osv., som en form for avkobling eller hobby nærmest.

    Så jeg er ikke i noen krig.

    Du tiltaler med fiendtlig tone.

    Men jeg liker ikke å drive med sånn usivilisert kriging, på fritiden, jeg har andre ting å

    bruke tida mi på.

    Så neste gang du bruker den tonen der, så kommer jeg til å klage på deg.

    Det er ikke lov å oppføre seg fiendtlig mot andre som man ikke kjenner.

    Det burde også være unødvendig å oppføre seg på en fiendtlig måte mot sine felles landsmenn.

    Jeg ønsker ikke å bli fiendlig behandlet når jeg diskuterer på nettet, så det kommer jeg nok

    til å klage på.

    Jeg synes vi burde fokusere på bidra på en konstruktiv måte til debatten, og ikke komme

    med fiendtlige angrep, som tar fokuset vekk fra debatten.

    Nytt innlegg Svar på innlegg Varsle 0
    anbefalingerBra! RE: Som å høre på Guttungen
    Skrevet av cons 12.02.2008 kl. 01:04

    Altså, først burde man vel ha en sivilisert tone.

    Og så kan man diskutere.

    Men du har en fiendlig tone, som om vi er i krig.

    Og da tar det fokuset bort fra debatten.

    Så jeg mistenker, at du har en agenda.

    At du vil ta fokuset bort fra det jeg skrev i den første posten.

    Ved å arrangere noe krig og fiendtligheter, som tar fokuset vekk fra den egentlige debatten.

    Eller at du er del en organisert kampanje, som prøver å slite meg ut, for å få meg til å miste kontrollen på jobbsituasjon etc.

    Forbundet med andre problemer med kriminelle nettverk/myndigheter i Norge og Storbritannia.

    For selv om en sånn trakasserende melding er greit.

    Men når man skal drive å forsvare seg, og prøve å forklare problemet til ignorante administratorer, når det begynner å hope seg opp med 40-50 slike trakasserende meldinger.

    Da tar det jo litt på.

    Så selv om en sånn melding, nok er overlevbart.

    Så merker jeg jo det at, det blir slitsomt med mange sånne meldinger.

    Så etterhvert, så orker man nok ikke å skrive sånne her svar, på alle de meldingene hvor man blir hersja med.

    Så da er det vel kanskje smart å først skrive en advarsel da, og så klage hvis personen fortsetter da.

    Så jeg får ta det som en tommelfinger-regel, også får jeg se det ann litt hvordan jeg skal takle den her type trakasserende poster, som vel nok tar fokuset vekk fra det egentlige tema.

    Nytt innlegg Svar på innlegg Varsle

    http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/2008/02/11/526594.html?commentId=1760988#comment_1760988

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    > The team-leader I was in the meeting with, told me, that they had been
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    > shouting/complaining/’giving stick’, the way she did, because this was the
    > way they had been trained to lead the campaign.
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    > ‘I also brought up the situation with the wrap-up meeting we had some
    > weeks earlier, where
    > we agreed on that I would work on gradually bettering the wrap-up time,
    > but that she then
    > forgot this agreement, and the next day acted like this meeting hadnt been
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    > at all, and continued to shout ‘You’re on wrap-up’ if the wrap-up time
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    > because she
    > had been trained to do her job this way.
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    > I hadnt heard about reinforcement on the management/organisation modules I
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    > the management-
    > courses I had participated on while I was working as a manager in Norway.
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    > ‘reinforcement’ on the
    > internet. I found from how Vivian described it in the meeting, that this
    > way of sorting
    > problems was called ‘negative reinforcement’.
    >
    > I couldnt find very much on how this was being used in management, but
    > from what I found
    > it seemed like it was more used as a way of training dogs, and that it was
    > known to make
    > the dogs nervous.
    >
    > Line says that they were told to do it this way, because if they did it
    > this way, then the agents
    > would do the job the way the team-leaders wanted.’.
    >
    > Link: https://johncons-blogg.net/2007/10/enclosure-7.html
    >
    >
    > My issue, regarding this, was that when I was searching on the term
    > ‘negative reinforcement’, on the internet, then it mostly appeared links
    > that had to do with the training of animals, like dogs and horses. (And not
    > so much with management-theory):
    >
    > Link: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=negative+reinforcement&meta=cr%3DcountryUK%7CcountryGB
    >
    >
    >
    > And, the fact that the team-leaders are screaming things like ‘You’re on
    > wrap-up’, to the CCR representatives.
    >
    > I think this is a bit impolite, because the places were people are seated,
    > are up to the region of 5-10 meters from were the team-leader is sitting
    > shouting.
    >
    > So I remember I myself thought this practice was a bit inpolite towards
    > the representatives.
    >
    > And also, I thought it was interfering in the work.
    >
    > That is, if one are sitting, and writing some notes, or if one are loging
    > the latest call.
    >
    > The latest call from when someone has called in to activate Windows or
    > Office etc.
    >
    > Then one had five seconds to log the call and to prepare for the next
    > call.
    >
    > So sometimes one ran out of time, and sometimes, one also wanted to have a
    > zip of water inbetween the calls, so sometimes five seconds could be maybe a
    > bit to little time.
    >
    > But the point is, that when the call wasn’t a regular call. That is, if
    > the call lasted for longer than about five minutes, then one had to log the
    > call on a form as well as on the screen.
    >
    > And if it was a company-call, a Microsoft customer, then it could be that
    > one had to write some notes down, since these calls sometimes were a bit
    > more complex than the regular calls.
    >
    > And also since there was a lot of types of agreements, like
    > Select-agreement, Open-agreement, etc.
    >
    > There were meny combinations of different agreements and products, so
    > sometimes, one happened to write down some notes, and also send e-mails to
    > the line-managers about the activation.
    >
    > So if one were busy doing things like this, then I think the shouting was
    > sometimes interfering a bit with the other work.
    >
    > Because, often, it wouldn’t be possible to do work-tasks like this, while
    > one were answering the next call simultaniously.
    >
    > Because one needed to consentrate on the loging and the writing og notes
    > and e-mails.
    >
    > So then it interfered a bit when someone shouted at me: ‘Erik, you’re on
    > wrap-up’. At least I remember that I thought this personally.
    >
    > Because then I lost my concentration, and my awarenes of what I was doing.
    > And I sometimes got a bit stressed, and I maybe started thinking about
    > things regarding the organisation of the campaign instead.
    >
    > And I also think that this practice is a bit condescend.
    >
    > That is, from the team-leader to the representative. It seems to me, that
    > one are shouting like this, then it means that one thinks that the
    > representative isn’t using his time in a meaningful way. That is, it means
    > that the representative is doing something wrong.
    >
    > I tried telling them, that we knew from before, that the wrap-up time was
    > five seconds, and that they didn’t really need to shout that out, because we
    > already knew this from before.
    >
    > And when one used more time than five seconds, it was because it was
    > needed to finish the work-tasks.
    >
    > But when they were shouting, then I think it means that they didn’t belive
    > the representative would be able to manage the time for the work-tasks
    > themselves, in a reasonble way.
    >
    > So then I guess it means that the representatives was looked at as to be
    > thoughtless and without the ability to act reasonable.
    >
    > I thought this meant that the representatives, were looked down upon, in
    > regards to the issue of being able to manage their own work-time in a
    > meaningful way.
    >
    > So I myself, remember, that I was thinking that this practice was a bit
    > condescend.
    >
    > I used to work as a store-manager in Norway, and in conection with that, I
    > had a few courses in practical management etc.
    >
    > And I also had some modules in management and organisation, from upper
    > secondary school level, and also from university level.
    >
    > But I can’t remember, that we were taught were much about ‘negative
    > reinforcement’ in those modules and couses.
    >
    > So I was wondering if someone maybe had some knowledge, regarding where
    > negative reinforcement fits in, in relation to the management-theory field.
    >
    > I think that management is an interesting field, so I think it would be
    > very fine if someone have the time to contribute a bit to the thread on
    > this.
    >
    > I myself, think that this management-method, can maybe sometimes seem a
    > bit harassing, but I think it would be very interesting to also hear what
    > other people think about this.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received
    > it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose
    > the information in any way, and notify us immediately. The contents of
    > this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the
    > BBC, unless specifically stated.
    >
    >

  • Enclosure 3, Letter sent BBC, 6/2.

    From: eribsskog@gmail.com Erik Ribsskog
    To: England.moderators@bbc.co.uk
    Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 01:53:33 +0000
    Subject: Fwd: Problems with message-board

    Hi,

    I can’t see that I have recieved an answer to this e-mail yet, thats why I’m
    trying
    to send it again.

    Yours sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog

    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>
    Date: Oct 31, 2007 11:11 AM
    Subject: Problems with message-board
    To: England.moderators@bbc.co.uk

    Hi,

    I’ve been having some problems with the BBC message-board lately.

    I’ve been trying to post a post about some problems at the local CAB.

    But the message-board programme just shows an error message,

    like this: ‘Please choose the region in which you want your message to
    appear.’.

    But the web-application wont let me choose a region.

    The region field is empty.

    I’ll try to take scree-shot of the screen:

    (I’m also going to attach a copy of the screen-shot, in case it easier for
    you to view the

    screenshot-copy as an enclosure.)

    I’ve tried to use both Internet Explorer and Firefox, to post the message,
    but I’m getting the

    same problem with both programs.

    I’ve been trying to post this message for about three days now, but I
    haven’t managed to

    get it posted on the message board yet, due to the mentioned problem.

    Here is the post, by the way, in case it has occured some problems with the
    post moderated

    moderation system on the message board, (like I have experienced with your
    message board

    earlier):

    ‘Lies and ‘set ups’ at the Liverpool Central CAB.

    I’ve just sent an appeal to the Liverpool Central CAB, regarding the
    investigation of a complaint, that I sent the CAB Complaints and Policy
    Officer in May.

    When I received the answer to my complaint, a few weeks ago, i discovered,
    that the CAB General Unit Coordinator, had been lying in the answer to the
    complaint.

    And it also seems that the Liverpool Central CAB, is envolved in ‘set ups’
    in which they put very young girls in the stair-case area outside of their
    offices, in the State House, (which is an office-building).

    And then they keep the lights off in the pulic areas of their offices, while
    the members of the public are kept waiting in the dark, for about 5-10
    minutes, before most of the meeting is also being kept in the dark. (In
    about twilight-strength light, it was to dark to read a regular
    information-folder there).

    And also the Liverpool Central CAB, has got the wrong e-mail address on
    their webpages.

    It’s says on their website(http://www.liverpoolcab.org) that one can contact
    them on this e-mail address:

    bureau@liverpoolcab.f9.co.uk

    But this is wrong, I had to send the General Unit Coordinator a new e-mail
    to get right e-mail address for the CAB, (which was bureau@liverpoolcab.org
    ).

    So I was wondering what other people were thinking about these problems, and
    if someone have some advice on how I should go forward in dealing with these
    issues.

    That is, besides the complaint I’ve already sent to The Chair, Liverpool
    Central CAB:

    http://johncons.blog.co.uk/2007/10/27/title~3201650

    Because I think this kind behaviour, from the CAB, is totally out of line,
    and also disgraceful for an organisation, if it wants to be respected.

    So I was just wondering what other people were thinking about this.’.

    So, I was wondering if you please have got some advice, on how I should go
    forward to sort this problem with

    selecting the region.

    Also, while I’m writing so to speak, I was wondering if you have had a
    chance to have a look at the e-mail

    I sent you again on 26/10 yet?

    Here is a copy of that e-mail:

    ‘From: eribsskog@gmail.com Erik Ribsskog

    To: England.moderators@bbc.co.uk

    Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 01:06:13 +0000

    Subject: Fwd: Your BBC Posting has been removed

    Hi,

    I can’t see that I have recieved an answer to this e-mail yet, thats why I’m

    trying to send it again.

    Hope that this is alright!

    Yours sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog

    ———- Forwarded message ———-

    From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>

    Date: Oct 13, 2007 8:34 PM

    Subject: Re: Your BBC Posting has been removed

    To: England <England.moderators@bbc.co.uk>

    Hi,

    I was wondering if you think it would be possible for me to get a more

    spesific reason on why the post

    was removed?

    Yours sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog

    On 12 Oct 2007 15:57:47 +0000, England <England.moderators@bbc.co.uk>

    wrote:

    >

    > Dear BBC Community member,

    >

    > Thank you for contributing to a BBC community site. Unfortunately we’ve

    > had to remove your content below because it contravened one of the House

    > Rules.

    >

    > Postings to BBC messageboards will be removed if they:

    >

    > *Break the law, or condone or encourage unlawful activity. This includes

    > defamation and contempt of court.

    >

    > You can find out more about Defamation at

    > http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/hub/HouseRules-Defamation

    > You can read the BBC messageboards House Rules in full here:

    > http://www.bbc.co.uk/messageboards/newguide/popup_house_rules.html

    >

    > Please be careful when you copy the text of someone else’s message into

    > your post. If their posting is subsequently removed, your posting may also

    > have been removed, as it contained a copy of their failed text.

    >

    > If you can rewrite your contribution to remove the problem, we’d be happy

    > for you to post it again.

    >

    > Please note that anyone who seriously or repeatedly breaks the House Rules

    > may have action taken against their account.

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    >

    > The BBC Communities Team

    > http://www.bbc.co.uk/messageboards/newguide/

    >

    > URL of content (now removed):

    > http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/england/F2770282?Thread=4653901&post=54093182

    >

    > Subject:

    > The use of Negative Reinforcement as a Management-method at the Arvato

    > Microsoft Scandinavian Product Activation in Liverpool.

    >

    > Posting:

    > When I was working at the Arvato Microsoft Scandinavian Product Activation

    > in Liverpool, I had a meeting with one of the team-leaders on the
    campaign.

    >

    > I was wondering why we, (I was working as a regular Contact Centre

    > Representative there), and I was wondering why we got lines like ‘NN,
    you’re

    > on wrap-up’, shouted at us across the tables, from the team-leaders.

    >

    > Then I got to hear that this was something that the team-leaders had been

    > thought during team-leader training.

    >

    > The team-leader I was in the meeting with, told me, that they had been

    > trained using ‘[negative] reinforcement’, during the team-leader training.

    >

    > She explained to me, that she wouldn’t stop with the

    > shouting/complaining/’giving stick’, the way she did, because this was the

    > way they had been trained to lead the campaign.

    >

    > Here is a quote from the summary from this meeting:

    >

    > ‘I also brought up the situation with the wrap-up meeting we had some

    > weeks earlier, where

    > we agreed on that I would work on gradually bettering the wrap-up time,

    > but that she then

    > forgot this agreement, and the next day acted like this meeting hadnt been

    > taking place

    > at all, and continued to shout ‘You’re on wrap-up’ if the wrap-up time

    > exceeded 5 seconds.

    >

    > Vivian explained that this was call reinforcement, and that the

    > team-leaders were trained

    > to use reinforcement as a way of solving problems, like the problem with

    > agents being

    > to long time on wrap-up between the calls. So she wouldnt stop doing this,

    > because she

    > had been trained to do her job this way.

    >

    >

    > NEGATIVE REINFORCEMENT

    >

    > I hadnt heard about reinforcement on the management/organisation modules I

    > had studied on

    > upper secondary and university-level, and neighter had I heard about it on

    > the management-

    > courses I had participated on while I was working as a manager in Norway.

    >

    > So when I got home on the day we had the meeting, I searched for

    > ‘reinforcement’ on the

    > internet. I found from how Vivian described it in the meeting, that this

    > way of sorting

    > problems was called ‘negative reinforcement’.

    >

    > I couldnt find very much on how this was being used in management, but

    > from what I found

    > it seemed like it was more used as a way of training dogs, and that it was

    > known to make

    > the dogs nervous.

    >

    > Line says that they were told to do it this way, because if they did it

    > this way, then the agents

    > would do the job the way the team-leaders wanted.’.

    >

    > Link: https://johncons-blogg.net/2007/10/enclosure-7.html

    >

    >

    > My issue, regarding this, was that when I was searching on the term

    > ‘negative reinforcement’, on the internet, then it mostly appeared links

    > that had to do with the training of animals, like dogs and horses. (And
    not

    > so much with management-theory):

    >

    > Link:
    http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=negative+reinforcement&meta=cr%3DcountryUK%7CcountryGB

    >

    >

    >

    > And, the fact that the team-leaders are screaming things like ‘You’re on

    > wrap-up’, to the CCR representatives.

    >

    > I think this is a bit impolite, because the places were people are seated,

    > are up to the region of 5-10 meters from were the team-leader is sitting

    > shouting.

    >

    > So I remember I myself thought this practice was a bit inpolite towards

    > the representatives.

    >

    > And also, I thought it was interfering in the work.

    >

    > That is, if one are sitting, and writing some notes, or if one are loging

    > the latest call.

    >

    > The latest call from when someone has called in to activate Windows or

    > Office etc.

    >

    > Then one had five seconds to log the call and to prepare for the next

    > call.

    >

    > So sometimes one ran out of time, and sometimes, one also wanted to have a

    > zip of water inbetween the calls, so sometimes five seconds could be maybe
    a

    > bit to little time.

    >

    > But the point is, that when the call wasn’t a regular call. That is, if

    > the call lasted for longer than about five minutes, then one had to log
    the

    > call on a form as well as on the screen.

    >

    > And if it was a company-call, a Microsoft customer, then it could be that

    > one had to write some notes down, since these calls sometimes were a bit

    > more complex than the regular calls.

    >

    > And also since there was a lot of types of agreements, like

    > Select-agreement, Open-agreement, etc.

    >

    > There were meny combinations of different agreements and products, so

    > sometimes, one happened to write down some notes, and also send e-mails to

    > the line-managers about the activation.

    >

    > So if one were busy doing things like this, then I think the shouting was

    > sometimes interfering a bit with the other work.

    >

    > Because, often, it wouldn’t be possible to do work-tasks like this, while

    > one were answering the next call simultaniously.

    >

    > Because one needed to consentrate on the loging and the writing og notes

    > and e-mails.

    >

    > So then it interfered a bit when someone shouted at me: ‘Erik, you’re on

    > wrap-up’. At least I remember that I thought this personally.

    >

    > Because then I lost my concentration, and my awarenes of what I was doing.

    > And I sometimes got a bit stressed, and I maybe started thinking about

    > things regarding the organisation of the campaign instead.

    >

    > And I also think that this practice is a bit condescend.

    >

    > That is, from the team-leader to the representative. It seems to me, that

    > one are shouting like this, then it means that one thinks that the

    > representative isn’t using his time in a meaningful way. That is, it means

    > that the representative is doing something wrong.

    >

    > I tried telling them, that we knew from before, that the wrap-up time was

    > five seconds, and that they didn’t really need to shout that out, because
    we

    > already knew this from before.

    >

    > And when one used more time than five seconds, it was because it was

    > needed to finish the work-tasks.

    >

    > But when they were shouting, then I think it means that they didn’t belive

    > the representative would be able to manage the time for the work-tasks

    > themselves, in a reasonble way.

    >

    > So then I guess it means that the representatives was looked at as to be

    > thoughtless and without the ability to act reasonable.

    >

    > I thought this meant that the representatives, were looked down upon, in

    > regards to the issue of being able to manage their own work-time in a

    > meaningful way.

    >

    > So I myself, remember, that I was thinking that this practice was a bit

    > condescend.

    >

    > I used to work as a store-manager in Norway, and in conection with that, I

    > had a few courses in practical management etc.

    >

    > And I also had some modules in management and organisation, from upper

    > secondary school level, and also from university level.

    >

    > But I can’t remember, that we were taught were much about ‘negative

    > reinforcement’ in those modules and couses.

    >

    > So I was wondering if someone maybe had some knowledge, regarding where

    > negative reinforcement fits in, in relation to the management-theory
    field.

    >

    > I think that management is an interesting field, so I think it would be

    > very fine if someone have the time to contribute a bit to the thread on

    > this.

    >

    > I myself, think that this management-method, can maybe sometimes seem a

    > bit harassing, but I think it would be very interesting to also hear what

    > other people think about this.

    >

    >

    >

    >

    >

    > This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received

    > it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose

    > the information in any way, and notify us immediately. The contents of

    > this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the

    > BBC, unless specifically stated.

    >

    >’.

    I hope you have a chance to have a look at this, and thanks in advance for
    the help!

    Yours sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog

  • Enclosure 2, Letter sent BBC, 6/2.

    From: eribsskog@gmail.com Erik Ribsskog
    To: England.moderators@bbc.co.uk
    Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 01:06:13 +0000
    Subject: Fwd: Your BBC Posting has been removed

    Hi,

    I can’t see that I have recieved an answer to this e-mail yet, thats why I’m
    trying to send it again.

    Hope that this is alright!

    Yours sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog

    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>
    Date: Oct 13, 2007 8:34 PM
    Subject: Re: Your BBC Posting has been removed
    To: England <England.moderators@bbc.co.uk>

    Hi,

    I was wondering if you think it would be possible for me to get a more
    spesific reason on why the post
    was removed?

    Yours sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog

    On 12 Oct 2007 15:57:47 +0000, England <England.moderators@bbc.co.uk>
    wrote:
    >
    > Dear BBC Community member,
    >
    > Thank you for contributing to a BBC community site. Unfortunately we’ve
    > had to remove your content below because it contravened one of the House
    > Rules.
    >
    > Postings to BBC messageboards will be removed if they:
    >
    > *Break the law, or condone or encourage unlawful activity. This includes
    > defamation and contempt of court.
    >
    > You can find out more about Defamation at
    > http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/hub/HouseRules-Defamation
    > You can read the BBC messageboards House Rules in full here:
    > http://www.bbc.co.uk/messageboards/newguide/popup_house_rules.html
    >
    > Please be careful when you copy the text of someone else’s message into
    > your post. If their posting is subsequently removed, your posting may also
    > have been removed, as it contained a copy of their failed text.
    >
    > If you can rewrite your contribution to remove the problem, we’d be happy
    > for you to post it again.
    >
    > Please note that anyone who seriously or repeatedly breaks the House Rules
    > may have action taken against their account.
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    > Regards,
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    > The BBC Communities Team
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    >
    > URL of content (now removed):
    > http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/england/F2770282?Thread=4653901&post=54093182
    >
    > Subject:
    > The use of Negative Reinforcement as a Management-method at the Arvato
    > Microsoft Scandinavian Product Activation in Liverpool.
    >
    > Posting:
    > When I was working at the Arvato Microsoft Scandinavian Product Activation
    > in Liverpool, I had a meeting with one of the team-leaders on the campaign.
    >
    > I was wondering why we, (I was working as a regular Contact Centre
    > Representative there), and I was wondering why we got lines like ‘NN, you’re
    > on wrap-up’, shouted at us across the tables, from the team-leaders.
    >
    > Then I got to hear that this was something that the team-leaders had been
    > thought during team-leader training.
    >
    > The team-leader I was in the meeting with, told me, that they had been
    > trained using ‘[negative] reinforcement’, during the team-leader training.
    >
    > She explained to me, that she wouldn’t stop with the
    > shouting/complaining/’giving stick’, the way she did, because this was the
    > way they had been trained to lead the campaign.
    >
    > Here is a quote from the summary from this meeting:
    >
    > ‘I also brought up the situation with the wrap-up meeting we had some
    > weeks earlier, where
    > we agreed on that I would work on gradually bettering the wrap-up time,
    > but that she then
    > forgot this agreement, and the next day acted like this meeting hadnt been
    > taking place
    > at all, and continued to shout ‘You’re on wrap-up’ if the wrap-up time
    > exceeded 5 seconds.
    >
    > Vivian explained that this was call reinforcement, and that the
    > team-leaders were trained
    > to use reinforcement as a way of solving problems, like the problem with
    > agents being
    > to long time on wrap-up between the calls. So she wouldnt stop doing this,
    > because she
    > had been trained to do her job this way.
    >
    >
    > NEGATIVE REINFORCEMENT
    >
    > I hadnt heard about reinforcement on the management/organisation modules I
    > had studied on
    > upper secondary and university-level, and neighter had I heard about it on
    > the management-
    > courses I had participated on while I was working as a manager in Norway.
    >
    > So when I got home on the day we had the meeting, I searched for
    > ‘reinforcement’ on the
    > internet. I found from how Vivian described it in the meeting, that this
    > way of sorting
    > problems was called ‘negative reinforcement’.
    >
    > I couldnt find very much on how this was being used in management, but
    > from what I found
    > it seemed like it was more used as a way of training dogs, and that it was
    > known to make
    > the dogs nervous.
    >
    > Line says that they were told to do it this way, because if they did it
    > this way, then the agents
    > would do the job the way the team-leaders wanted.’.
    >
    > Link: https://johncons-blogg.net/2007/10/enclosure-7.html
    >
    >
    > My issue, regarding this, was that when I was searching on the term
    > ‘negative reinforcement’, on the internet, then it mostly appeared links
    > that had to do with the training of animals, like dogs and horses. (And not
    > so much with management-theory):
    >
    > Link: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=negative+reinforcement&meta=cr%3DcountryUK%7CcountryGB
    >
    >
    >
    > And, the fact that the team-leaders are screaming things like ‘You’re on
    > wrap-up’, to the CCR representatives.
    >
    > I think this is a bit impolite, because the places were people are seated,
    > are up to the region of 5-10 meters from were the team-leader is sitting
    > shouting.
    >
    > So I remember I myself thought this practice was a bit inpolite towards
    > the representatives.
    >
    > And also, I thought it was interfering in the work.
    >
    > That is, if one are sitting, and writing some notes, or if one are loging
    > the latest call.
    >
    > The latest call from when someone has called in to activate Windows or
    > Office etc.
    >
    > Then one had five seconds to log the call and to prepare for the next
    > call.
    >
    > So sometimes one ran out of time, and sometimes, one also wanted to have a
    > zip of water inbetween the calls, so sometimes five seconds could be maybe a
    > bit to little time.
    >
    > But the point is, that when the call wasn’t a regular call. That is, if
    > the call lasted for longer than about five minutes, then one had to log the
    > call on a form as well as on the screen.
    >
    > And if it was a company-call, a Microsoft customer, then it could be that
    > one had to write some notes down, since these calls sometimes were a bit
    > more complex than the regular calls.
    >
    > And also since there was a lot of types of agreements, like
    > Select-agreement, Open-agreement, etc.
    >
    > There were meny combinations of different agreements and products, so
    > sometimes, one happened to write down some notes, and also send e-mails to
    > the line-managers about the activation.
    >
    > So if one were busy doing things like this, then I think the shouting was
    > sometimes interfering a bit with the other work.
    >
    > Because, often, it wouldn’t be possible to do work-tasks like this, while
    > one were answering the next call simultaniously.
    >
    > Because one needed to consentrate on the loging and the writing og notes
    > and e-mails.
    >
    > So then it interfered a bit when someone shouted at me: ‘Erik, you’re on
    > wrap-up’. At least I remember that I thought this personally.
    >
    > Because then I lost my concentration, and my awarenes of what I was doing.
    > And I sometimes got a bit stressed, and I maybe started thinking about
    > things regarding the organisation of the campaign instead.
    >
    > And I also think that this practice is a bit condescend.
    >
    > That is, from the team-leader to the representative. It seems to me, that
    > one are shouting like this, then it means that one thinks that the
    > representative isn’t using his time in a meaningful way. That is, it means
    > that the representative is doing something wrong.
    >
    > I tried telling them, that we knew from before, that the wrap-up time was
    > five seconds, and that they didn’t really need to shout that out, because we
    > already knew this from before.
    >
    > And when one used more time than five seconds, it was because it was
    > needed to finish the work-tasks.
    >
    > But when they were shouting, then I think it means that they didn’t belive
    > the representative would be able to manage the time for the work-tasks
    > themselves, in a reasonble way.
    >
    > So then I guess it means that the representatives was looked at as to be
    > thoughtless and without the ability to act reasonable.
    >
    > I thought this meant that the representatives, were looked down upon, in
    > regards to the issue of being able to manage their own work-time in a
    > meaningful way.
    >
    > So I myself, remember, that I was thinking that this practice was a bit
    > condescend.
    >
    > I used to work as a store-manager in Norway, and in conection with that, I
    > had a few courses in practical management etc.
    >
    > And I also had some modules in management and organisation, from upper
    > secondary school level, and also from university level.
    >
    > But I can’t remember, that we were taught were much about ‘negative
    > reinforcement’ in those modules and couses.
    >
    > So I was wondering if someone maybe had some knowledge, regarding where
    > negative reinforcement fits in, in relation to the management-theory field.
    >
    > I think that management is an interesting field, so I think it would be
    > very fine if someone have the time to contribute a bit to the thread on
    > this.
    >
    > I myself, think that this management-method, can maybe sometimes seem a
    > bit harassing, but I think it would be very interesting to also hear what
    > other people think about this.
    >
    >
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