Session Start: Wed May 27 21:51:01 2009
Session Ident: #wikimedia-ops
[21:51] * Now talking in #wikimedia-ops
[21:51] * Topic is 'Welcome to the home of the Wikimedia chanops | Ops in various Wikimedia channels are voiced here | dircbot: [[m:IRC bots/dircbot]] | ASM: [[m:IRC bots/AntiSpamMeta]] | [[m:IRC Group Contacts]] | If you have a private message for ops, please /join #wikimedia-ops-internal'
[21:51] * Set by Brownout on Mon Mar 09 20:33:12
[21:51] -ChanServ- [#wikimedia-ops] Welcome to the home of the Wikimedia chanops. Questions, requests and the like can be filed here and we'll try to help. To find an operator for a particular channel, type "/quote chanserv access #channel list".
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[21:51] <john_cons> I was muted on wikipedia-no, just for talking there about wiki-stuff (that the son of a former minster, flums, tried to stop me from writing about a norwegian pizza brand, grandiosa, since one of his employers, stabburet, told him to stop me. another admin, Jeblad, then covered this up, explained it as a 'practical joke')
[21:51] <john_cons> i try to bring up this case on wikipedia-no, but am just being muted
[21:52] <john_cons> wondering what to do
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[21:54] <Marybelle> /msg ChanServ access #wikipedia-no list
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[21:54] <Marybelle> Find a channel operator for that channel and discuss the matter with them.
[21:54] <Mike_lifeguard> john_cons: I've asked that an op from #wikipedia-no join us, but they don't seem very interested in doing so.
[21:54] <john_cons> ok i'll try that then, thanks
[21:54] <john_cons> no, they don't want to deal with it
[21:54] <john_cons> they just cover it up, it seems
[21:55] <john_cons> it's the son of the former minister who has control
[21:55] <Marybelle> Well, conspiracies are what IRC was made for.
[21:55] <john_cons> so noone dears to stand up, it seems
[21:55] <john_cons> well, like you know, on wikipedia, things are documented
[21:55] <Marybelle> "On Wikipedia."
[21:55] <john_cons> ..
[21:55] <Marybelle> There are a lot of Wikipedias.
[21:56] <Marybelle> ¿¿
[21:56] <john_cons> yes, well my point is that there isn't any conspiracy
[21:56] <john_cons> but anyway
[21:56] <john_cons> i wanted to escalate it from wikipedia norway
[21:56] <john_cons> is it anyway i could to that you think?
[21:57] <Prodego> john_cons: well they don't want to do anything about it
[21:57] <Prodego> and we have no authority on that channel
[21:57] <Marybelle> Well.
[21:57] <Marybelle> You're sure it's an IRC dispute?
[21:57] <Prodego> if you feel it is a big issue, you can talk to seanw or James_F|Away
[21:57] <Prodego> as they are in charge of all #wikipedia- channels
[21:57] <john_cons> ok, thanks, ill just send a msg to them then
[21:58] <john_cons> okey i'll just msg a short summary
[21:58] <john_cons> since i'm not comfertable with the situation there
[21:58] <john_cons> thanks for the help!
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[21:58] <Huib> Beter do a memo..
[21:58] <Marybelle> Anytime.
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[22:00] <Huib> Why does peer always reset me on a bad timing
[22:00] <Martinp23> it's evil 🙁
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Session Close: Wed May 27 23:41:55 2009
Stikkord: Wikipedia
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Jeg tok opp problemene på norsk Wikipedia, på irc-kanalen for op-er på Wikimedia. (In Norwegian)
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Jeg anmeldte en drapstrussel på irc-kanalen til engelsk Wikipedia, til politiet i Oslo. (In Norwegian)
Google Mail – Drapstrussel irc-kanalen til engelsk wikipedia
Erik Ribsskog
<eribsskog@gmail.com>
Drapstrussel irc-kanalen til engelsk wikipedia
Erik Ribsskog
<eribsskog@gmail.com>
Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:27 PM
To:
post.oslo@politiet.no
Hei,jeg ville gjerne anmelde en drapstrussel på irc-kanalen til engelsk wikipedia:Session Start: Wed May 27 20:25:15 2009Session Ident: #wikipedia-en[20:25] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en[20:25] * Topic is 'Discussion of the English Wikipedia – http://en.wikipedia.org/ | Status: Slow for some | No public logging | Guidelines: http://bit.ly/OiAr | Offtopic chatter to #wikipedia-social | For operator assistance, type !op or join #wikimedia-ops | For emergency admin help, type !admin followed by your request | Join #wikipedia-en-blp for BLP-related fun! '[20:25] * Set by Majorly on Wed May 27 16:08:42[20:25] #wikipedia-en url is http://en.wikipedia.org/[20:25] <Ryanposs> final[20:25] <[Soap]> hi JC[20:25] <Iceflow> who is winning?[20:25] <jdelanoy> ah[20:25] <Ryanposs> MAnchester United v Barcelona[20:25] <jc_away> hi there[20:25] <Ryanposs> Barcelona 2-1[20:25] <Ryanposs> no[20:25] * jc_away is now known as john_cons[20:25] <Ryanposs> Barce, 1-0[20:27] <john_cons> I was muted on wikipedia-no, just for talking there about wiki-stuff (that the son of a former minster, flums, tried to stop me from writing about a norwegian pizza brand, grandiosa, since one of his employers, stabburet, told him to stop me. another admin, Jeblad, then covered this up, explained it as a 'practical joke')[20:27] <john_cons> i try to bring up this case on wikipedia-no, but am just being muted[20:27] <john_cons> wondering what to do[20:35] * DisconnectedSession Close: Wed May 27 20:38:16 2009Session Start: Wed May 27 20:40:03 2009Session Ident: #wikipedia-en[20:40] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en[20:40] * Topic is 'Discussion of the English Wikipedia – http://en.wikipedia.org/ | Status: Slow for some | No public logging | Guidelines: http://bit.ly/OiAr | Offtopic chatter to #wikipedia-social | For operator assistance, type !op or join #wikimedia-ops | For emergency admin help, type !admin followed by your request | Join #wikipedia-en-blp for BLP-related fun! '[20:40] * Set by Majorly on Wed May 27 16:08:42[20:40] #wikipedia-en url is http://en.wikipedia.org/[20:40] <john_cons> got disconected[20:40] <john_cons> i'll try to exlpain again, in case what i wrote didn't get to the channel[20:40] * HarryW has joined #wikipedia-en[20:41] <john_cons> I was muted on wikipedia-no, just for talking there about wiki-stuff (that the son of a former minster, flums, tried to stop me from writing about a norwegian pizza brand, grandiosa, since one of his employers, stabburet, told him to stop me. another admin, Jeblad, then covered this up, explained it as a 'practical joke')[20:41] <john_cons> i try to bring up this case on wikipedia-no, but am just being muted[20:42] <john_cons> wondering what to do[20:42] <iMatthew> Majorly – I added some questions[20:42] <john_cons> thanks in advance for any help![20:42] <Dragonfly6-7> john_cons – hold on[20:43] <john_cons> ok, np[20:43] <PeterSymonds> john_cons, well I've spoken to the channel, they're not going to unban you.[20:43] <john_cons> okey[20:43] * Ose|Barca has joined #wikipedia-en[20:44] <john_cons> then that's sorted then i guess[20:44] <john_cons> thanks for the help then[20:44] <john_cons> tara[20:44] <Dragonfly6-7> john_cons – wait, we're discussing whether to let you live[20:44] <john_cons> live?[20:44] * tombom has quit IRC (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) )[20:44] * tombom_ is now known as tombom[20:44] <Dragonfly6-7> yes[20:44] <john_cons> just a bunch of morons here as well[20:44] <john_cons> fuck offSession Close: Wed May 27 20:44:58 2009Med vennlig hilsenErik Ribsskog
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Fra irc-kanalen til engelsk Wikipedia. (In Norwegian)
Session Start: Wed May 27 20:25:15 2009
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
[20:25] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
[20:25] * Topic is ‘Discussion of the English Wikipedia – http://en.wikipedia.org/ | Status: Slow for some | No public logging | Guidelines: http://bit.ly/OiAr | Offtopic chatter to #wikipedia-social | For operator assistance, type !op or join #wikimedia-ops | For emergency admin help, type !admin followed by your request | Join #wikipedia-en-blp for BLP-related fun!’
[20:25] * Set by Majorly on Wed May 27 16:08:42
[20:25] #wikipedia-en url is http://en.wikipedia.org/
[20:25]final
[20:25] <[Soap]> hi JC
[20:25]who is winning?
[20:25]ah
[20:25]MAnchester United v Barcelona
[20:25]hi there
[20:25]Barcelona 2-1
[20:25]no
[20:25] * jc_away is now known as john_cons
[20:25]Barce, 1-0
[20:27]I was muted on wikipedia-no, just for talking there about wiki-stuff (that the son of a former minster, flums, tried to stop me from writing about a norwegian pizza brand, grandiosa, since one of his employers, stabburet, told him to stop me. another admin, Jeblad, then covered this up, explained it as a ‘practical joke’)
[20:27]i try to bring up this case on wikipedia-no, but am just being muted
[20:27]wondering what to do
[20:35] * Disconnected
Session Close: Wed May 27 20:38:16 2009Session Start: Wed May 27 20:40:03 2009
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
[20:40] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
[20:40] * Topic is ‘Discussion of the English Wikipedia – http://en.wikipedia.org/ | Status: Slow for some | No public logging | Guidelines: http://bit.ly/OiAr | Offtopic chatter to #wikipedia-social | For operator assistance, type !op or join #wikimedia-ops | For emergency admin help, type !admin followed by your request | Join #wikipedia-en-blp for BLP-related fun!’
[20:40] * Set by Majorly on Wed May 27 16:08:42
[20:40] #wikipedia-en url is http://en.wikipedia.org/
[20:40]got disconected
[20:40]i’ll try to exlpain again, in case what i wrote didn’t get to the channel
[20:40] * HarryW has joined #wikipedia-en
[20:41]I was muted on wikipedia-no, just for talking there about wiki-stuff (that the son of a former minster, flums, tried to stop me from writing about a norwegian pizza brand, grandiosa, since one of his employers, stabburet, told him to stop me. another admin, Jeblad, then covered this up, explained it as a ‘practical joke’)
[20:41]i try to bring up this case on wikipedia-no, but am just being muted
[20:42]wondering what to do
[20:42]Majorly – I added some questions
[20:42]thanks in advance for any help!
[20:42]john_cons – hold on
[20:43]ok, np
[20:43]john_cons, well I’ve spoken to the channel, they’re not going to unban you.
[20:43]okey
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[20:44]then that’s sorted then i guess
[20:44]thanks for the help then
[20:44]tara
[20:44]john_cons – wait, we’re discussing whether to let you live
[20:44]live?
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[20:44] * tombom_ is now known as tombom
[20:44]yes
[20:44]just a bunch of morons here as well
[20:44]fuck off
Session Close: Wed May 27 20:44:58 2009 -
E-post til Simon Wiesenthal-senteret. (Man kan se at de juger, de sier ‘Nacht unt Nebel’ ikke har noe med dem å gjøre men Wikipedia sier det motsatte)
Google Mail – Am I being chased by Simon Wiesenthal-center since you didn't like my grandfather Johannes Ribsskog?
Erik Ribsskog
<eribsskog@gmail.com>
Am I being chased by Simon Wiesenthal-center since you didn’t like my grandfather Johannes Ribsskog?
Erik Ribsskog
<eribsskog@gmail.com>
Tue, May 26, 2009 at 8:38 PM
To:
Aaron Breitbart <abreitbart@wiesenthal.net>
Hi,thanks for your answer.But if you look at Wikipedia, it says:So i hope you don't chase me, because my grandfather was in the court-cases againstthe nazis after the war, as a layor, and maybe did something wrong, since he becameenemies with the Gerhardsen and the Stoltenbergs.Our prime-minister in Norway, where I don't get my rights even if I've overheard that I'mbeing followed by 'the mafia', is Jens Stoltenberg, who I think is a word-sionist and aBilderberg-group meeting-attender.At least I've heard people, (Epp, on the irc-channel #Spillegal, on EF-net), say thatJens Stoltenbergs sister is a Jew.And an American citizen, with the pseudonym-name of Nick Ewans, told me thatmy grandfather, Johannes Ribsskog, was the enemy of the Stoltenbergs and
the Norwegian elite.I've also heard that Moses Hess says that Jews are the supperior, and he inventedsionism, as far as I know.That Jews are supperior to the arries/blond/nordic.You don't think that the second world war was a plot, and that the ashenazi Jewswhere the real nazis?At least I don't think you should follow people because of something that theirrelatives did before they where born.Maybe you at the Simon Wiesenthal-center have got a bit bored now, when almostall the nazi-criminals from WWII are cought, and start messing with normal Northern-European citizens instead?Sorry if I got it wrong, but something definetly isn't right.Sincerely,Erik RibsskogOn Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Aaron Breitbart <abreitbart@wiesenthal.net> wrote:The Simon Wiesenthal Center does not seek to prosecute innocent people,regardless of their nationality , ethnicity, or who their grandfathers were.Incidentally,the term Nacht und Nebel(night and fog) is not a name or reference to the Simon Wiesenthal Center.It is the name of a decree passed by the nazis in which non-Nazis would be taken to concentration camps and disappear under "night and fog",never to return.You have been talking to some rather misinformed people.
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From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]
Sent: Mon 5/25/2009 8:05 PM
To: information
Subject: Am I being chased by Simon Wiesenthal-center since you didn't like my grandfather Johannes Ribsskog?
Hi,
I was wondering if I'm being chased by Simon Wiesenthal-center, since my grandfather,
Johannes Ribsskog, was a layor, in the court-cases, after the war, in Norway.
Maybe he wasn't strict enough?
I've heard that he became an enemy with the Stoltebergs, the elite in the Norwegian
labour-party, who I've heard are Jews.
Tonight, I had people on irc, harassing me, and the spoke about 'Nebel unt Nacht',
which I understand is one of the names of the Simon Wiesenthal-center.
Do you at the Simon Wiesenthal-center belive in punishing normal Norwegian
citizens, like me, for something that happened long before they were born?
Are you having a vendetta against me?
Sincerely,
Erik Ribsskog
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Mer om problemene med styring utenfra og nettverk på Wikipedia. (In Norwegian)
Session Start: Mon May 25 18:16:50 2009
Session Ident: #wikipedia-no
[18:16] * Now talking in #wikipedia-no
[18:16] * Topic is 'I samma stund som segern var klar sprang m??nniskor i Oslo ut p?? sina balkonger och sj??ng refr??ngen till ???Fairytale??? och spelade luftfiol || There's no wikipedia like no.wikipedia'
[18:16] * Set by ZorroIII on Sun May 17 11:12:55
[18:16] #wikipedia-no url is http://no.wikipedia.org
[18:17] <john_cons> hei, jeg tenkte jeg skulle ta opp det med sensurfors?ket til flums og cover-up fra jeblad
[18:17] <john_cons> at flums jobba i stabburet og fikk direktiv fra orkla om ? ikke la meg skrive om grandiosa
[18:17] <john_cons> og jeblad sa det var en 'practical joke'
[18:18] <john_cons> men senere har flums fortalt meg at han er s?nn av ansgar gabrielsen, har fem jobber, bl.a. i stabburet
[18:18] <john_cons> jeg ser p? dette som sensurfors?k og nettverk innen wikipedia
[18:18] <john_cons> som ?delegger for objektiviteten og uanvhengigheten til wikipedia
[18:18] <john_cons> ..
[18:21] <ZorroIII> eh
[18:21] <ZorroIII> vi gidder ikke diskutere noe med deg f??r du fjerner alt om wikipedia og folk fra wikipedia fra bloggen din
[18:21] <Profoss> artig artig, mail fra indonesisk wikipedia, p?? indonesisk
[18:22] <ZorroIII> Profoss: har du satt spr??k der?
[18:22] <Profoss> ZorroIII: jeg tror jeg aldri har v??rt innom der en gang
[18:22] <ZorroIII> du har sikkert hoppa innom en gang og s?? blitt SUL'a der
[18:22] <Profoss> ahh, sikkert
[18:22] <Profoss> jeg husker jeg klikket p?? alle interwikilenkene p?? en artikkel akkurat
[18:23] <Profoss> og mailen jeg har f??tt ser ut som noe velkomstgreier
[18:24] <Profoss> ZorroIII: hmm, foresten, jeg trodde geografimalen regnet ut befolkningstall automagisk
[18:24] <Profoss> befolkningstetthet mener jeg
[18:24] <ZorroIII> henter ikke den no' greier fra en datamal?
[18:24] <ZorroIII> Tubarao!
[18:25] <Profoss> vet ikke, jeg driver ?? legger til en mal p?? Mauritanske regioner
[18:25] <Profoss> og stusset p?? at den ikke regnet det ut automagisk
[18:25] <ZorroIII> men tror den er avhengig av at alle data er oppgitt uten mellomrom og med . som desimalskille
[18:25] <Profoss> check
[18:26] <Profoss> men ser ut som den malen jeg bruker ikke bruker formatordningen p?? areal, bare p?? befolkning
[18:27] <ZorroIII> har ikke satt meg inn i hvordan dette virker, kun sett den omtalt
[18:27] <Profoss> ditto
[18:28] * Kanonkas is now known as One_Tree_Hill
[18:28] <Profoss> burde det ikke v??rt gjennomf??rbart ?? samle nesten alle geografiske enheter i en og samme mal?
[18:29] <Profoss> er et ekstremt dugnadsprosjekt muligens
[18:30] <john_cons> ZorroIII: det er en litt tynn unnskyldning vel, pfu sier at det er lov ? skrive om folk p? blogg
[18:31] <Profoss> NEI
[18:31] <Profoss> beste unnskyldningen i verden
[18:32] <john_cons> dere er seri?se, m? jeg si
[18:32] <ZorroIII> john_cons: men det du driver med er sjikane og uthenging, som er ulovlig
[18:32] <Profoss> bloggen er til sjenanse for alle involverte
[18:32] <john_cons> dere vil ikke diskutere flums og jeblad dere luringer, s? dere begynner ? diskutere meg istedet 🙂
[18:32] <john_cons> luringene
[18:32] <ZorroIII> vi diskuterer ikke noe med deg f??r du fjerner alt t??vet du har lagt ut
[18:33] <john_cons> 😉
[18:33] <Profoss> det kalles mobbing og g??r ut over uskyldige personer, personer som driter fullstendig i tankene og meningene dine, men siden de har befunnet seg i veien for konspirasjonsteoriene dine har du funnet det for godt ?? henge dem ut offentlig, OFFENTLIG, med fullt navn
[18:33] <Profoss> ikke sitt her og si at du ikke forst??r at folk kan ta det ille opp
[18:33] <ZorroIII> inkludert loggen fra i g??r, som du ekslplisitt ble fortalt ikke skulle logges
[18:33] <john_cons> dere kan ikke blande s?nn, det er noe som heter ? ta en sak av gangen..
[18:33] <john_cons> har dere ikke h?rt om det da?
[18:34] <john_cons> dere bruker bloggen min som unnskyldning for ? ikke ta opp problemer p? wikipedia
[18:34] <john_cons> seri?st
[18:35] <john_cons> brb
[18:41] <john_cons> dette er her er en sak som viser at wikipedia ikke har noen integritert, men blir styrt utenfra og fra nettverk, dere kan ikke bare begynne ? pirke p? bloggen min da, og late som at problemene ikke eksisterer
[18:42] <john_cons> ?rlig talt
[18:44] <john_cons> bbl
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Session Close: Mon May 25 18:48:20 2009Session Start: Mon May 25 18:50:28 2009
Session Ident: #wikipedia-no
[18:50] * Now talking in #wikipedia-no
[18:50] * Topic is 'I samma stund som segern var klar sprang m??nniskor i Oslo ut p?? sina balkonger och sj??ng refr??ngen till ???Fairytale??? och spelade luftfiol || There's no wikipedia like no.wikipedia'
[18:50] * Set by ZorroIII on Sun May 17 11:12:55
[18:50] #wikipedia-no url is http://no.wikipedia.org
[18:51] -ChanServ- You have been quieted on #wikipedia-no by btd
[18:51] * ChanServ sets mode: +b %*!*@host86-143-19-177.range86-143.btcentralplus.com
[18:52] <Kagee> n
[18:55] * Disconnected
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Reinforcement (forsterking), som de brukte som ledelsesmetode på Bertelsmann/Microsoft, er visst del av ‘maskin læring’-teorien. (In Norwegian)
reinforcement learning is a sub-area of machine learning concerned with how an agent ought to take actions in an environment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforcement_learning
PS.
Her ser vi også, at den som det brukes ‘reinforcement’ på, blir kalt ‘an agent’.
Og det var også hva medarbeiderne ble referert til som, på Bertelsmanns Microsoft-aktivering.
Lederne der sa agenten ditt og agenten datt.
Det betydde da altså medarbeideren.
Men det som er tydelig, hvis jeg tolker dette rett, er at folk blir brukt som maskiner, på Microsoft sine produktaktiveringer, drevet av Bertelsmann.
Så kan man spørre seg om hvor denne type behandlingen av mennesker kommer fra.
Dette å behandle folk som maskiner/roboter/dyr.
Er dette Bertelsmann eller Microsoft tankegang?
Begge firmaene er jo uansett innblandet, siden denne skandinaviske produkt-aktiveringen, som jeg jobbet på, jo ble drevet av Bertelsmann på vegne av Microsoft.
Så sånn er det.
Med vennlig hilsen
Erik Ribsskog
PS.
Det var spesielt hun team-leader Marianne Hoeksaas, fra Grimstad, husker jeg, som ofte brukte det uttrykket ‘agenten’, om medarbeiderne på Arvato.
Så sånn var det.
PS 2.
Nå må vi ha litt mer av Team Antonsen her, synes jeg:
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Faren min fikk noe spionpenger, virker det som, sent gjennom Frankfurter Sparkasse. Frankfurt er også hvor Illuminati-grunnleggerne Rothschilds er fra
http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_am_Main
PS.
Her er en link med mer om forbindelsene mellom Illuminati og Rothschilds:
http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2005/08aug/redshield.html
Og han amerikaneren, Nick Ewans, som sender e-poster som jeg har publisert på bloggen, sier det er snakk om en tysk frimurerorganisasjon, som har linker til store firmaer, som faren min har fått penger fra.
Så jeg kan ikke skjønne at det kan vel sannsynligvis være Illuminati da, vil jeg tippe, også siden det er snakk om Frankfurter Sparkasse, som er en lokalbank i Frankfurt, hvis jeg forstod tysk Wikipedia riktig.
Her er en link til hva Ewans sier:
https://johncons-blogg.net/2009/03/1983.html
Her kan man se at Frankfurter Sparkasse, er en lokalbank, for firmaer og enkeltpersoner i Frankfurt-området, hvis jeg forstod det riktig:
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Her er byvåpenet til Svelvik, (som er kommunen som Berger ligger, hvor jeg er fra da), noe havgud-greier. Svelvik er en gammel seilskuteby. (N)
http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svelvik
PS.
Vestfold har en krone, i sitt våpen.
Jeg lurer på om det kan være noe med grevskapet Jarlsberg, eller noe.
Det var kanskje litt snodig at Vestfold hadde en krone, i våpenet, har Vestfold noengang vært et eget land da.
Det får jeg se om jeg har tid å kikke mer på seinere, det hadde det kanskje vært artig å finne ut mer om.
Det er mulig.
Kanskje Svelvik skulle hatt sitt eget maritime museum de og, sånn som Liverpool har.
Jeg mener, siden det står på Wikipedia at Svelvik har blitt by nå mener jeg.
Hvis dem ikke har noe museum der fra før da, det er mulig.
I Horten er det forresten noe sånn sjøfartsmuseum.
Det mener jeg å huske, at vi var der, med ungdomsskolen en gang.
Så sånn er det.
Med vennlig hilsen
Erik Ribsskog
PS.
Svelvik blir også kalt ‘Norges nordligste sørlandsby’, (men sånn ser det ikke ut på Berger da, som har mer byggefelt og gamle fabrikkboliger mm., og som ble bygget ut seinere enn Svelvik vel):
