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    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>



    Vikingskip i England/Fwd: Viking-congress in Chester/Fwd: St. Olave’s Church in Chester




    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>


    Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 3:10 PM





    To:

    fellespost@marmuseum.no


    Cc:

    emb.london@mfa.no



    Hei,

    Riksantikvaren har anbefalt meg, å kontakte blant annet dere og Kulturhistorisk museum, om dette.
    Men Kulturhistorisk museum svarer ikke, så jeg går videre.
    Det gjelder et flott klinkebygget vikinge-langskip, som ligger under parkeringsplassen, til en pub, i the Wirral, i England.

    Jeg har pratet med noen som jobber der, og har skrevet om dette på blogg, (etter å ha vært og sett på vikinghavnen i Meols, og fått tips om dette vikingskipet).
    Jeg har også vært på vikingkongress i Chester, og forklart om at det skipet burde tas opp av leira, for ingen kan jo se det under leire.

    Og det skipet er vel unikt, i England.
    Det burde vært på museum, og det var norske vikinger, som ble jaget fra Dublin, som slo seg ned på the Wirral.
    Og muligens også vikinger som kom dit rett fra Norge, dette er på vestkysten av England, og grenser til Irskesjøen, like ved Isle of Man osv., hvor de norske vikingene dro.

    Så dette langskipet burde vært i et museum, mener jeg.
    Men britene er visst mer opptatt av romersk arkeologi.
    Så jeg prøver å få tak i ekspertise, (og senere muligens midler), fra Norge.

    Britene er redd for at skipet vil råtne, hvis de graver det opp.
    Men i Norge, så har vi jo gravet opp mange vikingeskip, og de står i museer.
    Mens i England, så har de vel ingen andre vikinge/klinke-bygde skip.

    Jeg mener dette er norrøn kultur, siden skipet er klinkebygget.
    Kunne dere gitt råd om konservering/utgraving av skipet?
    En komite bestemte å ikke grave opp skipet, men det var forskere fra svenske universitet med på den beslutningen.

    Og svenske vikinger dro jo østover, så det virker rart, synes jeg, at svenske forskere skulle være med å ta beslutninger om et norsk vikingeskip.
    Men nå har jeg altså tatt opp dette temaet igjen, på viking-konferansen, i forrige måned, i Chester.

    Så nå burde det være mulig å begynne fra 'scratch', på et nytt prosjekt, som jeg har startet med da.

    Jeg kan kontakte puben igjen, og konverserer også med prosjektleder, på det forrige prosjektet, professor Stephen Harding, ved universitetet i Nottingham.

    Arkeologen, ved Liverpool National Museum, sa på konferansen, at hvis jeg skaffer midler, så kan han og museet grave opp skipet.
    Men han klagde på at det ville råtne, og var ekspert i romersk arkeologi, så om dere kunne gitt mer noe mer tilbakemeldinger her.

    For på the Wirral, så er det ingen store byer, det er jo et gammelt norsk vikingland, så det kunne kanskje vært artig fra Norges side, å bidra også, til en konstruktiv løsning på dette prosjektet?
    Det er jo snakk om felles kultur, mener jeg, og ingen er vel bedre kompetanse enn nordmenn, når det gjelder vikingskip?

    Håper dere kan komme med tilbakemelding på dette.
    Jeg tenker også på å kontakte ambassaden i London, om dette.
    Vi får se.
    Mvh.
    Erik Ribsskog

    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>

    Date: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 1:08 PM
    Subject: Re: Viking-congress in Chester/Fwd: St. Olave's Church in Chester
    To: Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk>

    Hi,

    well, I've supported Everton, since I was 7 years old, since my mother, Karen Ribsskog, who had been an au-pair, in the UK, said they were good.
    So I think it's enough to support one English football-team.

    But I think the Viking-stuff is fun.
    Everton is also a bit Norse, since it's from 'eofer', which means wild pig, in Old Norse, and 'ton', is the same as the Norwegian 'tun', which means area around the farm-house.

    I'm a refugee you see, and am busy trying to get my rights in Norway and in the UK.
    So I haven't got that much time.
    I have four blogs, and a website, that I run, where I write about my interests and more:

    And this is new site, that I'm working on now:

    I'm sorry they are in Norwegian, but I see you sometimes write a bit in Norwegian, like salutations etc.

    But I'm from Norway you know, and in Norway we need a bit time to get to know people.
    Since I'm from a small place in Norway, called Berger in Vestfold, in Svelvik municipality, (I've also lived in Larvik municipality).

    Thanks very much anyway!
    Best regards,

    Erik Ribsskog

    On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

    OK Erik

    Next time we will have Labskaus-scouse as we had for the book-launch for

    Ingimunds Saga back in 2001, which Trondheim sent their top

    people:

    If you ring me I can tell you more about what we are

    doing.

    What about supporting Tranmael? Our Viking team is playing

    Hartlepool tonight, kick off 7.45pm.

    Steve Harding

    From: Erik Ribsskog

    [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

    Sent: 23 November 2010

    12:31

    Subject: Fwd:

    Viking-congress in Chester/Fwd: St. Olave's Church in

    Chester

    Hi again,

    so I have really started my own Viking-project here a bit. 🙂

    I just wanted to level with the Viking-congress, that was on

    Saturday, in Chester.

    But I'll update and level more, when I know more, from my contact

    with the experts in Norway.

    Hope this is alright, and sorry that I'm sending so much

    correspondence about this!

    Thanks again for the good food, on Saturday, even if it wasn't

    'speke'-food, I still think it was good food with the chicken balti sandwiches

    etc.

    Best regards,

    Erik Ribsskog

    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>

    Date:

    Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:15 PM
    Subject: Fwd: Viking-congress in Chester/Fwd:

    St. Olave's Church in Chester
    To: Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk

    Hi,

    here is what the Riksantikvaren in Norway, wrote about the Vikingship on

    the Wirral, by the way:

    From: Haustveit, Gunvor <gunvor.haustveit@ra.no>

    Date:

    2010/10/18

    Subject: Svar på spørsmål "hjelp med å grave opp vikingskip

    i England"

    To: eribsskog@gmail.com

    Hei og takk

    for
    e-post.

    Det er flere

    kompetansesentra og forskere som er dyktige på feltet
    om vikingskip.

    Anbefaler først og fremst: Kulturhistorisk museum

    med
    Vikingskipshuset, dernest Norsk Maritimt Museum og Norsk

    Institutt for
    kulturminneforskning. I Danmark er det kompetanse ved

    Roskilde museum.
    Lykke

    til!

    (Translates to:

    Hi and thanks for the e-mail.

    There are many competence-centers and scientists who are good at the

    field vikingships. I recomend first and foremost: Cultural-historical museum

    with the Vkingships-huset, then Norwegian Maritim Museum and Norwegian

    Institute for Cultural Heritage Science. In Denmark they have competence at

    Roskilde Museum.

    Good Luck!).

    (This was sent before I read about the project on your website, regarding

    this vikingship).

    Helsing
    Gunvor Haustveit
    Informasjonsseksjonen
    Riksantikvaren
    Postboks 8196

    Dep
    0034 Oslo
    Tlf: + 47 98 20 27 60

    www.riksantikvaren.no

    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>
    Date: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at

    11:15 AM
    Subject: Re: Viking-congress in Chester/Fwd: St. Olave's Church in

    Chester

    To: Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk>

    Hi,

    yes, but if they have vikingships on museums in Norway, they are also

    made of wood, and they don't decay.

    They even have Vikingship-museums in Northern Germany, that used to

    be southern Denmark, as far as I remember.

    I've heard that the vikingship is under the _parking-lot_ of the pub,

    (like I said on the congress).

    But I have contacted, (like I wrote), the University of Oslo,

    cultural-historical museum, both before and after the congress, and I hope to

    hear back from them soon.

    I just went to Meols, to look at the old Viking-harbour, you see, just to

    get some fresh air, since I live in the City Centre of Liverpool.

    And then I asked one of the 'natives' about where the viking harbour

    was, and he also told me, that there was a viking ship, under the pub

    there.

    And then I went to the pub, the Railway Inn, and spoke with the staff

    there, (a woman in her 20's, I think, who almost looked Norwegian, I

    think).

    And she showed me that there was newspaper-articles on the wall, in the

    big pub, and pictures of a viking longship, etc.

    I promised I'd write about this on my blog, so that people in Norway

    could read about it.

    Then I contacted University of Oslo.

    But then, later, I read about your desition, to leave the ship under

    the clay.

    But then, I saw that you had asked universities in Gothenburg and

    Stockhome for advise.

    And I don't understand why you ask Swedish universities for advise,

    regarding Norwegian vikingships.

    Because the Swedes went east.

    And the Norwegians went to the Irish Sea, etc.

    The Swedish Vikings didn't go to England and the Irish Sea, they went

    to Russia etc, in the east.

    So I thought that project was a bit strange, why involve Swedish

    universities in this?

    Since there is a rivalary between Sweden and Norway, after many wars,

    from the Viking-time and up to modern history.

    So that made me a bit sceptical, to that project, when I saw that many

    Swedish universities were involved.

    My reflex, since I am from Norway, would be not to let Swedes be to

    much involved in a Norwegian/(Irish) Viking-project.

    But anyway.

    But I have contacted the University of Oslo, cultur-historical museum

    about this, who the 'riksantikvaren', in Norway, refered me to.

    So I'm just waiting to get an answer from them.

    And then I'll contact you when and if I hear something back from

    them.

    Hope this is alright!

    Thank you very much for your replies, and sorry that I was a bit late for

    the congress, I just missed the Chester-train, and then I had to take the next

    train, for Port Ellismere, and change for Chester, so then I was

    delayed.

    This is mostly because I'm from Norway, that I'm interested in the

    congress and the Viking-places on the Wirral, because in Norway, this is

    almost like general knowledge, that we learn about on school etc., so this

    with Viking-stuff is almost the only thing we take serious in Norway, (except

    from skiing).

    (Only joking).

    But that's why I'm so interested in this.

    Thanks again for the reply to my e-mail!

    Best regards,

    Erik Ribsskog

    On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

    Dear

    Erik

    I was part

    of the team that did the Ground Penetrating Radar studies 3 years ago that

    appeared to verify the existence of the old vessel and we did discuss this

    in detail with the people in Oslo – Arne Christiansen and Knut Paasche of

    the skiphuset Bygdoy. The Chair of the afternoon session was Dr. David

    Griffiths, distinguished Viking Archaeologist from Oxford, born and brought

    up in Heswall and like myself a passionate Wirralian – as he explained in

    his talk. All 3 of us – Rob Philpott, David and myself are in total

    agreement as to the situation about the boat. Unfortunately you can’t just

    go down and expose the boat as the old wood would decay rapidly: this would

    be very irresponsible!. Its underneath a pub and near a major road so

    unless we can find an estimated 8-10 million pounds, we have to leave it

    where it is. Then when we have the money lets go for it! To

    repeat what Rob has said, if you have any ideas where we can get this money,

    let us know. Believe me we would dearly love to have this excavated

    but it just can’t be done at the moment. However we are going to have

    a meeting soon but I can’t see – without the money – much else we can do at

    the momentThe Friends of Meols Park organisation are having trouble trying

    to raise £40,000 for a statue of Ingimund for Meols Park, again if you have

    any ideas for funds that would be great.

    Nottingham

    involvement:

    The

    organizers of the conference were Liz Royles and myself. Liz: is

    Keeper of early archaeology at the Grosvenor Museum at Chester – and was

    born and brought up from Meols. Liz did a tremendous job putting on the

    exhibition and obtaining the grants so that everyone could attend for free –

    and even have free refreshments.

    Myself:

    Indeed I am now at the University of Nottingham but was born and brought up

    in Wirral – near Meols and then Wallasey, and come from 2 very old Wirral

    families that go back at least several hundred years, and very proud of this

    – if you have a chance please look at my website

    even

    Tranmere – Tranmael – my team, has a Norwegian name:

    http://trsn.blogspot.com/

    it would be

    great if you could join us!

    I have just

    written another book with Liverpool FC fan Stig Vaagan from Hamar – det

    Norske Liverpool –     Vikinger, DNA og Nåtid, which will

    be published soon in Norway, which includes a lot about the Scandinavian

    Church on Park Lane: do you know these people there.

    I have also

    secured an agreement from the people re-constructing the “Drakken” ship of

    Harald Harfagre for it to sail to Liverpool and Wirral in 2012/2013 after

    the boat is complete and indeed have been trying very hard for the last 10

    years to develop the whole areas Viking Heritage.

    What about

    meeting up for a beer sometime and we can discuss the boat?

    All the

    best

    Steve

    Harding

    From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

    Sent: 23 November 2010 04:11
    To: Stephen

    Harding
    Subject: Re: Viking-congress in Chester/Fwd: St. Olave's

    Church in Chester

    Hi,

    I wasn't aware of that there

    were boats in clay in Scandinavia.

    But, like I wrote in the

    earlier e-mail, in Scandinavia, we have a lot of ships in museums from

    before.

    And they had made 46 trenches

    in Irby, and none in Meols, even if Meols is more Norse/Viking, Irby means

    town of the Irishmen.

    So I question the priorities

    here, and as I wrote, and updated the congress about, I have contacted the

    University of Oslo, about this.

    So I was mostly

    summarising, what I said on the congress.

    Further, to my

    complaint.

    I think what happened after

    lunch, distroyed the congress.

    The chair from University of

    Chester was ill, and a new chair, from Nottingham, was a reserve.

    I remember it like you only

    mentioned his firstname, briefly before the congress started again, after

    lunch.

    And his field wasn't mentioned

    I think.

    I understood this to be a

    national Viking congress, and not a Nottingham one.

    So noone knew who this guy was

    or what his field was, (the new chair).

    He was a reserve, and

    should have toned himself down, I think, due to this, and due to that his

    name and field wasn't mentioned in the agenda.

    So I think this distroyed the

    congress a bit, I'm sorry to say, because the new chair went directly in,

    with facts, or 'facts', from Scandinavia, all the time.

    Without saying e.g. that

    the ship was in Gothenburg, he just said 'Scandinavia'.

    And with 't' becomming 'd',

    like the young chair said was usual in Scandinavia.

    I think that is in Germany,

    that 't' becomes 'd', like in 'Donerstag' instead of 'Thursday'.

    So my experience of the

    congress was distroyed by this new chair, I have to admit, so I wanted to

    complain about the congress.

    I also think it's strange

    that all this Viking-stuff on the Wirral should be run from

    Nottingham.

    I think one should have a

    centre in the Wirral or Chester or Isle of Man, to do with the Norwegian

    Vikings.

    Because the Norwegian Vikings weren't in Nottingham I

    think.

    I think a local university,

    which is located geografically, in what was Norwegian Viking-territory, in

    the UK, should 'run the show' on this.

    I think Nottingham was

    south of were the Norwegian Vikings lived, in the UK.

    I think the Wirral was

    obviously a Norwegian Viking-land.

    Why don't the Wirral run

    the show on this?

    Why is the Wirral

    Viking-stuff run from Nottingham, (and Chester).

    Maybe Chester would be logical,

    but was has Nottingham to do with Norweigan Vikings in the Wirral?

    This sounds strange to

    me.

    Also, I think one should

    have a specialist in Viking-archology, digging up the Viking-stuff on the

    Wirral, because the professor from National Museum Liverpool, in a

    specialist in Roman and 'later' archeology.

    And he explained that he

    thought something was roman, and then someone else came and said that

    bird-figure for a weight, was viking.

    I don't think this is taken

    seriously enough.

    Look at the Roman

    arcahology, with the Circus etc, in Chester.

    You say it isn't proven the

    Viking-ship in Meols is Viking.

    But it is 'klinke'-buildt,

    which means it's Norse.

    So I think you try to make

    this unclear, the ships origin, it definately Viking/Norse, and not anything

    else.

    So I question really the whole congress and you at Nottinghams

    motivation.

    I understand that University of

    Oslo or University of Trondheim didn't send any people, it's probably

    because they didn't feel welcome.

    Sorry that I think I have

    to write this direct to put it strange.

    But there wasn't much

    viking about that congress I think.

    Then it should have been served

    beer/ale and not wine.

    And 'speke'-food, and not

    Pakistani samosa-food.

    This was not a Norse

    Viking-congress I think.

    Sorry to say!

    Best

    regards,

    Erik Ribsskog

    On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 9:09

    PM, Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

    Thanks Erik, yes we thoroughly

    enjoyed the congress, everyone seemed so enthusiastic … and it was great

    having a Norwegian at the conference. The books on sale were Vikings in the

    Irish Sea (Dr. David Griffiths), Irby (Dr. Rob Philpott) and Viking DNA (by

    Turi King, Mark Jobling and myself).

    Thanks for modern dynge = heap, but

    I will check with Dr. Paul Cavill to see if this can help. Dingesmere:

    there are some links to this and Brunanburh on my own Viking page http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/-sczsteve

    Boat: yes we’d all love to get this

    out, but as Dr. Philpott said it would cost 8-10Million to achieve, but the

    boat is perfectly safe in the blue clay until that time comes.. which may

    not be for a long time. We don’t know its Viking, all we know its very

    old! There are I think boats in blue clay in Scandinavia – one in Karmoy and

    one near Gothenburg which have been left for the foreseeable future.

    If there are any developments with Wirral we’ll be sure to let you

    know,

    Hope this helps!

    Beste hilsener

    Steve Harding

    From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

    Sent: 21 November 2010 07:24

    Subject: Viking-congress

    in Chester/Fwd: St. Olave's Church in Chester

    Hi,

    thanks for arranging the

    Viking-congress, which I thought was a very fun idea!

    I was just wondering, who was

    the chair, after lunch again, (the young man in his 30's with a beard on his

    chin or under his mouth, or what it's called).

    Because I thought he was a bit

    'on' me.

    The one who replaced the

    professor from Chester who was ill.

    I've also sendt to the

    professer from National Museums Liverpool and cultural historical museum

    Oslo University again, about possible founding or expertice from Norway, for

    the vikingship in Meols, which I brought up about, yesterday, on the

    congress, after the professor from National Museums Liverpool spoke about

    the archeolology in Irby.

    Also, I tried to explain about

    my contributing regardin the subject of Dingesmere, to do with the big

    battle between the Vikings and the English, on the Wirral.

    In Norwegian, 'dynge' means

    'heap'.

    And I thought that could be

    relevant, since Norwegian and English once were the same language.

    The young chair was an

    expert on Scandinavia, (which I'm not I'm just a normal Norwegian, but I've

    worked on a viking-farm in Norway, actually, Løvås farm in Kvelde, (where

    someone tried to murder me, i 2005, so I went to Liverpool, and the police

    wont investigate).

    The young chair said that in

    Scandinavia 't' often became 'd'.

    (This I don't know myself

    from being Norwegian, even if I one term at high-school got the best grade,

    'S', in Norwegian).

    The young chair also said that

    vikingships in Norway weren't always dug up.

    But, in Norway, we have many

    vikingship, in several musums, (like in Denmark etc).

    But in the

    Wirral/North-England, you haven't got a single vikingship which had been dug

    up.

    So if it's right that we

    have ships like that, under clay, in Norway, then at least we have some

    vikingships which we have put in the museum first.

    E.g. the Vikingship Museum

    in Bygdøy, in Oslo.

    Also, I thought I had to

    'argue' with two people at the same time, when I spoke.

    Because the young chair,

    interrupted, my dialog with the two professors, I thought a bit.

    So that's why I left before

    the book-launch, because I was a bit disapointed in the young chairs

    behavour.

    So I was just a bit

    currious, who the young chair was again.

    Because his name wasn't

    mentioned on the agenda, since the initial chair, after lunch, the professor

    from University of Chester, was ill, if I understood you right, when you

    briefly spoke, after lunch, yesterday.

    Thank you very much in advance

    for any reply!

    And thanks again for holding

    the Viking-congress, which was very fun, and the Viking-exhibition, at the

    Grosvenor Museum, in Chester, was also very fine I think!

    Yours sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog

    ———-

    Forwarded message ———-
    From: Steve Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk>
    Date: Mon, Jul 20,

    2009 at 9:31 AM
    Subject: RE: St. Olave's Church in Chester
    To: Erik

    Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>

    Dear Erik

    Many thanks for your

    email. I will write a more detailed reply later but I thought I'd

    better point out that the present St. Olave's building is of course not the

    original but is probably on the site of an original building which may

    have been wooden – we don't know. It is in the southern part

    the city which we believe to be the Scandinavian part of Chester

    in the 10th Century (and includes the discovery site of a viking treasure

    hoard at Castle Esplanade and some timber constructions similar to those in

    Dublin). The main area of Norse settlement in the area was in Wirral

    where there is extensive place name, archaeological and historical evidence,

    including 2 hogback tombstones.

    If you get a chance have a look

    at my website

    http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/-sczsteve

    and its links, but I will write

    back to you more when I have some more time,

    Beste sommerhilsener

    Steve Harding

    http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/-sczsteve
    steve.harding@nottingham.ac.uk

    Tel: +44(0) 115 951 6148

    (fax 6142)
    Mob: +44(0) 78110 90635



    From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

    Sent: 19 July 2009 19:25
    To: Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk
    Subject: St.

    Olave's Church in Chester

    Hi,

    I'm from Norway, but I live

    in Liverpool, and the other day, I was in Chester, and I

    coinsidentily

    stubled upon, the St. Olave's

    Church, since I thought I had to see a bit of the other towns

    and

    cities, in the North-West,

    and not only Liverpool.

    I took some pictures of the

    church, and posted on my blog.

    From the 'sign' there, it

    could seem like the church was from the 18th century, so much

    was

    my surprice, when I searched

    on the internet, and found, that the chuch was almost a thousand

    years old, built by Norwegian

    Vikings who were refugees from Dublin, since they lost control

    there,

    it seems to me, after reading

    on the internet about this.

    I read on a blog called

    'Ainscough Family History', which I found throug Google, about the

    'Viking

    march', between the Wirral

    and Chester.

    So I wrote a comment on that

    blog, with questions about the St. Olave's Church, and was

    adviced

    to contact you.

    I was just wondering if

    the church is listed, since I don't think we have that old viking

    stone-

    buildings in

    Norway.

    We have 'stav'-churches,

    in three, but I don't think we have any stone-buildings, that are this

    old.

    So, I was just curious about

    this.

    I also wondered if there

    had been conflicts between the St. Olave's Parish and the St.

    Michaels

    Parish, since on one

    building, 'Nine Houses', the borded between the parishes, was written

    on

    the buildings

    facade.

    And, I was also wondering,

    why it isn't a plaque there, explaining about, that the church is

    almost

    a thousand years old, built

    by Vikings from Ireland, because the plaque that's there now,

    makes

    it almost seem, that the

    building was built much later, or, it only least the year the church

    was

    conserved, in the 18th

    century, I think it was.

    As I understand, all the part

    of Chester, from the main street, and down to river, used to

    be

    a Viking-district.

    I was wondering, on some of

    the half timbered houses, I saw some symbols that looked a bit

    like what we call

    'firkløver', that's four-cleaver, I think, in English, could these symbols

    have

    been from Norway, or are they

    English, since I heard that these black and white half-timbered

    houses are 'Tudor-style', so

    I guess that the Vikings, in Chester, would have other types of

    buildings, that was there,

    before the Tudor-style buildings,contemporary with the St.

    Olave's

    Church?

    Sorry that I'm asking a lot

    of questions, I understand if you haven't got the time to answer

    any

    of these questions.

    I just coincidentaly

    notices this church, when I was in Chester, and thought it was fun, to

    see

    place-names, and buildings,

    named after a Norwegian king, that we learned about at school,

    in Norway.

    And at school, in Norway,

    we, as far as I remember, only learned about that York, or

    'Jorvik',

    like the Vikings called the

    town or city, was a Norwegian Viking-town or city.

    But we didn't learn

    about, that there were viking setlements, in Cheshire and

    Merseyside.

    So I wasn't aware of,

    that there was Viking-buildings, in Chester, when I went there, so I

    was

    a bit surprised to see the

    church, and read about it on the internet, so that was very fun.

    I thought that maybe this

    church, could be one of the few buildings etc,. that

    remained,

    after the Vikings, that had

    to leave Ireland.

    In Norway, we learn at

    school, that Vikings founded Dublin etc., but we don't learn

    that

    they went to England, after

    they lost control in Ireland, so this was fun to learn.

    So sorry again that I'm

    asking a lot of questions, and thanks in advance, if you have

    the

    time to explain about any of

    the questions which I've ask!

    Yours

    sincerely,

    Erik

    Ribsskog

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  • Her er mer om at i den delen av England, som jeg bor, så er en del folk visstnok etter norske vikinger







    Gmail – Viking DNA book







    Gmail


    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>



    Viking DNA book




    Stephen Harding

    <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk>


    Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:41 PM





    To:

    undisclosed recipients <steve.harding@nottingham.ac.uk>





    Dear Colleagues (including many

    of you who took part in the genetic survey of northwest England, 2002-2007, or

    the Nordic Festival in 2008)

    Apologies if you get this message more

    than once!     We are writing to bring to your attention a publication

    we have just produced. It focuses on

    the first part of a genetic

    survey of northern England –

    the Wirral and West Lancashire project in the northwest – and explains the basis behind the DNA

    method to probe ancestry, the use of

    surnames to help to localize volunteers to specific regions of the country, and

    how genetic methods are being used in conjunction with historical,

    archaeological and linguistic evidence to learn about Viking ancestry. It also gives some examples from

    individual results and from comparing populations of people to help show what

    these new technologies can achieve.

    Publication of the book has been supported by one of the UK

    Research Councils who have been supporting the study (the Biotechnology and

    Biological Sciences Research Council) – and Nottingham University Press in

    conjunction with Countyvise Limited have very kindly produced this for us and

    indeed done a splendid job.

    We would like to stress that we as authors are not taking any Royalties

    or profit!

    The book is introduced with a

    brilliant foreword by famous UK/BBC historian/broadcaster Michael Wood after which we set out to

    show as clearly as we can, with the help of full colour illustrations – what DNA

    is and how DNA methods can be used to probe both individual and population

    ancestry. For probing Viking

    ancestry it shows the importance of using DNA in conjunction with historical,

    linguistic, place name and archaeological evidence – again with the help of many colour

    illustrations    , and explains how DNA can be used to probe paternal

    ancestry and maternal ancestry either for individuals or for populations of

    people, explaining also some of the sometimes complicated jargon that scientists

    use.

    A major problem in studying

    population ancestry is the large population movements that have occurred since

    the Industrial Revolution. However

    there is a strong link between surnames and paternal DNA ancestry and the book

    explains how information such as Henry VIII’s tax rolls, , and even criminal

    records (including someone accused of killing a dog in 1348 …. found not

    guilty!) can be used to help establish the volunteer base for specific regions

    of northern England. Using these methods significant

    Scandinavian ancestry (up to 50% of the mixture of DNA from the old populations)

    has been shown for Wirral and West Lancashire.

    One youngster from Wirral was

    so impressed with the results for her father she wrote a School project “My Viking Dad

    and his Viking Dog”! The book finishes with a look towards the current testing

    of other regions of Northern England and the research currently being undertaken with

    colleagues in Norway to study the genetic profile of Scandinavia in the

    Viking Age.

    This broadcast on BBC Radio 4 gives some more

    information about the survey: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/making_history/making_history_20080520.shtml (after

    the first minute or so)

    So we think it will be a useful read for anyone interested in DNA

    ancestry and, after seeing what we have done in the North West, give people

    from other regions an idea of how their own past could be researched. The book is 150 pages long and

    extensively illustrated in colour. The book has just become available in all good

    bookshops in the north

    West or from     Amazon.co.uk *and would make an

    excellent Christmas present.

    Steve Harding, Mark Jobling and Turi King




    Stephen Harding DSc(Oxon)
    Professor of Applied

    Biochemistry
    NCMH Laboratory,
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  • Jeg sendte en ny e-post til Stephen Harding, ved University of Nottingham







    Gmail – Viking-congress in Chester/Fwd: St. Olave's Church in Chester







    Gmail


    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>



    Viking-congress in Chester/Fwd: St. Olave’s Church in Chester




    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>


    Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 1:08 PM





    To:

    Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk>



    Hi,

    well, I've supported Everton, since I was 7 years old, since my mother, Karen Ribsskog, who had been an au-pair, in the UK, said they were good.
    So I think it's enough to support one English football-team.

    But I think the Viking-stuff is fun.
    Everton is also a bit Norse, since it's from 'eofer', which means wild pig, in Old Norse, and 'ton', is the same as the Norwegian 'tun', which means area around the farm-house.

    I'm a refugee you see, and am busy trying to get my rights in Norway and in the UK.
    So I haven't got that much time.
    I have four blogs, and a website, that I run, where I write about my interests and more:

    And this is new site, that I'm working on now:

    I'm sorry they are in Norwegian, but I see you sometimes write a bit in Norwegian, like salutations etc.

    But I'm from Norway you know, and in Norway we need a bit time to get to know people.
    Since I'm from a small place in Norway, called Berger in Vestfold, in Svelvik municipality, (I've also lived in Larvik municipality).

    Thanks very much anyway!
    Best regards,

    Erik Ribsskog

    On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

    OK Erik

    Next time we will have Labskaus-scouse as we had for the book-launch for

    Ingimunds Saga back in 2001, which Trondheim sent their top

    people:

    If you ring me I can tell you more about what we are

    doing.

    What about supporting Tranmael? Our Viking team is playing

    Hartlepool tonight, kick off 7.45pm.

    Steve Harding

    From: Erik Ribsskog

    [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

    Sent: 23 November 2010

    12:31

    Subject: Fwd:

    Viking-congress in Chester/Fwd: St. Olave's Church in

    Chester

    Hi again,

    so I have really started my own Viking-project here a bit. 🙂

    I just wanted to level with the Viking-congress, that was on

    Saturday, in Chester.

    But I'll update and level more, when I know more, from my contact

    with the experts in Norway.

    Hope this is alright, and sorry that I'm sending so much

    correspondence about this!

    Thanks again for the good food, on Saturday, even if it wasn't

    'speke'-food, I still think it was good food with the chicken balti sandwiches

    etc.

    Best regards,

    Erik Ribsskog

    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>

    Date:

    Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:15 PM
    Subject: Fwd: Viking-congress in Chester/Fwd:

    St. Olave's Church in Chester
    To: Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk

    Hi,

    here is what the Riksantikvaren in Norway, wrote about the Vikingship on

    the Wirral, by the way:

    From: Haustveit, Gunvor <gunvor.haustveit@ra.no>

    Date:

    2010/10/18

    Subject: Svar på spørsmål "hjelp med å grave opp vikingskip

    i England"

    To: eribsskog@gmail.com

    Hei og takk

    for
    e-post.

    Det er flere

    kompetansesentra og forskere som er dyktige på feltet
    om vikingskip.

    Anbefaler først og fremst: Kulturhistorisk museum

    med
    Vikingskipshuset, dernest Norsk Maritimt Museum og Norsk

    Institutt for
    kulturminneforskning. I Danmark er det kompetanse ved

    Roskilde museum.
    Lykke

    til!

    (Translates to:

    Hi and thanks for the e-mail.

    There are many competence-centers and scientists who are good at the

    field vikingships. I recomend first and foremost: Cultural-historical museum

    with the Vkingships-huset, then Norwegian Maritim Museum and Norwegian

    Institute for Cultural Heritage Science. In Denmark they have competence at

    Roskilde Museum.

    Good Luck!).

    (This was sent before I read about the project on your website, regarding

    this vikingship).

    Helsing
    Gunvor Haustveit
    Informasjonsseksjonen
    Riksantikvaren
    Postboks 8196

    Dep
    0034 Oslo
    Tlf: + 47 98 20 27 60

    www.riksantikvaren.no

    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>
    Date: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at

    11:15 AM
    Subject: Re: Viking-congress in Chester/Fwd: St. Olave's Church in

    Chester

    To: Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk>

    Hi,

    yes, but if they have vikingships on museums in Norway, they are also

    made of wood, and they don't decay.

    They even have Vikingship-museums in Northern Germany, that used to

    be southern Denmark, as far as I remember.

    I've heard that the vikingship is under the _parking-lot_ of the pub,

    (like I said on the congress).

    But I have contacted, (like I wrote), the University of Oslo,

    cultural-historical museum, both before and after the congress, and I hope to

    hear back from them soon.

    I just went to Meols, to look at the old Viking-harbour, you see, just to

    get some fresh air, since I live in the City Centre of Liverpool.

    And then I asked one of the 'natives' about where the viking harbour

    was, and he also told me, that there was a viking ship, under the pub

    there.

    And then I went to the pub, the Railway Inn, and spoke with the staff

    there, (a woman in her 20's, I think, who almost looked Norwegian, I

    think).

    And she showed me that there was newspaper-articles on the wall, in the

    big pub, and pictures of a viking longship, etc.

    I promised I'd write about this on my blog, so that people in Norway

    could read about it.

    Then I contacted University of Oslo.

    But then, later, I read about your desition, to leave the ship under

    the clay.

    But then, I saw that you had asked universities in Gothenburg and

    Stockhome for advise.

    And I don't understand why you ask Swedish universities for advise,

    regarding Norwegian vikingships.

    Because the Swedes went east.

    And the Norwegians went to the Irish Sea, etc.

    The Swedish Vikings didn't go to England and the Irish Sea, they went

    to Russia etc, in the east.

    So I thought that project was a bit strange, why involve Swedish

    universities in this?

    Since there is a rivalary between Sweden and Norway, after many wars,

    from the Viking-time and up to modern history.

    So that made me a bit sceptical, to that project, when I saw that many

    Swedish universities were involved.

    My reflex, since I am from Norway, would be not to let Swedes be to

    much involved in a Norwegian/(Irish) Viking-project.

    But anyway.

    But I have contacted the University of Oslo, cultur-historical museum

    about this, who the 'riksantikvaren', in Norway, refered me to.

    So I'm just waiting to get an answer from them.

    And then I'll contact you when and if I hear something back from

    them.

    Hope this is alright!

    Thank you very much for your replies, and sorry that I was a bit late for

    the congress, I just missed the Chester-train, and then I had to take the next

    train, for Port Ellismere, and change for Chester, so then I was

    delayed.

    This is mostly because I'm from Norway, that I'm interested in the

    congress and the Viking-places on the Wirral, because in Norway, this is

    almost like general knowledge, that we learn about on school etc., so this

    with Viking-stuff is almost the only thing we take serious in Norway, (except

    from skiing).

    (Only joking).

    But that's why I'm so interested in this.

    Thanks again for the reply to my e-mail!

    Best regards,

    Erik Ribsskog

    On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

    Dear

    Erik

    I was part

    of the team that did the Ground Penetrating Radar studies 3 years ago that

    appeared to verify the existence of the old vessel and we did discuss this

    in detail with the people in Oslo – Arne Christiansen and Knut Paasche of

    the skiphuset Bygdoy. The Chair of the afternoon session was Dr. David

    Griffiths, distinguished Viking Archaeologist from Oxford, born and brought

    up in Heswall and like myself a passionate Wirralian – as he explained in

    his talk. All 3 of us – Rob Philpott, David and myself are in total

    agreement as to the situation about the boat. Unfortunately you can’t just

    go down and expose the boat as the old wood would decay rapidly: this would

    be very irresponsible!. Its underneath a pub and near a major road so

    unless we can find an estimated 8-10 million pounds, we have to leave it

    where it is. Then when we have the money lets go for it! To

    repeat what Rob has said, if you have any ideas where we can get this money,

    let us know. Believe me we would dearly love to have this excavated

    but it just can’t be done at the moment. However we are going to have

    a meeting soon but I can’t see – without the money – much else we can do at

    the momentThe Friends of Meols Park organisation are having trouble trying

    to raise £40,000 for a statue of Ingimund for Meols Park, again if you have

    any ideas for funds that would be great.

    Nottingham

    involvement:

    The

    organizers of the conference were Liz Royles and myself. Liz: is

    Keeper of early archaeology at the Grosvenor Museum at Chester – and was

    born and brought up from Meols. Liz did a tremendous job putting on the

    exhibition and obtaining the grants so that everyone could attend for free –

    and even have free refreshments.

    Myself:

    Indeed I am now at the University of Nottingham but was born and brought up

    in Wirral – near Meols and then Wallasey, and come from 2 very old Wirral

    families that go back at least several hundred years, and very proud of this

    – if you have a chance please look at my website

    even

    Tranmere – Tranmael – my team, has a Norwegian name:

    http://trsn.blogspot.com/

    it would be

    great if you could join us!

    I have just

    written another book with Liverpool FC fan Stig Vaagan from Hamar – det

    Norske Liverpool –     Vikinger, DNA og Nåtid, which will

    be published soon in Norway, which includes a lot about the Scandinavian

    Church on Park Lane: do you know these people there.

    I have also

    secured an agreement from the people re-constructing the “Drakken” ship of

    Harald Harfagre for it to sail to Liverpool and Wirral in 2012/2013 after

    the boat is complete and indeed have been trying very hard for the last 10

    years to develop the whole areas Viking Heritage.

    What about

    meeting up for a beer sometime and we can discuss the boat?

    All the

    best

    Steve

    Harding

    From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

    Sent: 23 November 2010 04:11
    To: Stephen

    Harding
    Subject: Re: Viking-congress in Chester/Fwd: St. Olave's

    Church in Chester

    Hi,

    I wasn't aware of that there

    were boats in clay in Scandinavia.

    But, like I wrote in the

    earlier e-mail, in Scandinavia, we have a lot of ships in museums from

    before.

    And they had made 46 trenches

    in Irby, and none in Meols, even if Meols is more Norse/Viking, Irby means

    town of the Irishmen.

    So I question the priorities

    here, and as I wrote, and updated the congress about, I have contacted the

    University of Oslo, about this.

    So I was mostly

    summarising, what I said on the congress.

    Further, to my

    complaint.

    I think what happened after

    lunch, distroyed the congress.

    The chair from University of

    Chester was ill, and a new chair, from Nottingham, was a reserve.

    I remember it like you only

    mentioned his firstname, briefly before the congress started again, after

    lunch.

    And his field wasn't mentioned

    I think.

    I understood this to be a

    national Viking congress, and not a Nottingham one.

    So noone knew who this guy was

    or what his field was, (the new chair).

    He was a reserve, and

    should have toned himself down, I think, due to this, and due to that his

    name and field wasn't mentioned in the agenda.

    So I think this distroyed the

    congress a bit, I'm sorry to say, because the new chair went directly in,

    with facts, or 'facts', from Scandinavia, all the time.

    Without saying e.g. that

    the ship was in Gothenburg, he just said 'Scandinavia'.

    And with 't' becomming 'd',

    like the young chair said was usual in Scandinavia.

    I think that is in Germany,

    that 't' becomes 'd', like in 'Donerstag' instead of 'Thursday'.

    So my experience of the

    congress was distroyed by this new chair, I have to admit, so I wanted to

    complain about the congress.

    I also think it's strange

    that all this Viking-stuff on the Wirral should be run from

    Nottingham.

    I think one should have a

    centre in the Wirral or Chester or Isle of Man, to do with the Norwegian

    Vikings.

    Because the Norwegian Vikings weren't in Nottingham I

    think.

    I think a local university,

    which is located geografically, in what was Norwegian Viking-territory, in

    the UK, should 'run the show' on this.

    I think Nottingham was

    south of were the Norwegian Vikings lived, in the UK.

    I think the Wirral was

    obviously a Norwegian Viking-land.

    Why don't the Wirral run

    the show on this?

    Why is the Wirral

    Viking-stuff run from Nottingham, (and Chester).

    Maybe Chester would be logical,

    but was has Nottingham to do with Norweigan Vikings in the Wirral?

    This sounds strange to

    me.

    Also, I think one should

    have a specialist in Viking-archology, digging up the Viking-stuff on the

    Wirral, because the professor from National Museum Liverpool, in a

    specialist in Roman and 'later' archeology.

    And he explained that he

    thought something was roman, and then someone else came and said that

    bird-figure for a weight, was viking.

    I don't think this is taken

    seriously enough.

    Look at the Roman

    arcahology, with the Circus etc, in Chester.

    You say it isn't proven the

    Viking-ship in Meols is Viking.

    But it is 'klinke'-buildt,

    which means it's Norse.

    So I think you try to make

    this unclear, the ships origin, it definately Viking/Norse, and not anything

    else.

    So I question really the whole congress and you at Nottinghams

    motivation.

    I understand that University of

    Oslo or University of Trondheim didn't send any people, it's probably

    because they didn't feel welcome.

    Sorry that I think I have

    to write this direct to put it strange.

    But there wasn't much

    viking about that congress I think.

    Then it should have been served

    beer/ale and not wine.

    And 'speke'-food, and not

    Pakistani samosa-food.

    This was not a Norse

    Viking-congress I think.

    Sorry to say!

    Best

    regards,

    Erik Ribsskog

    On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 9:09

    PM, Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

    Thanks Erik, yes we thoroughly

    enjoyed the congress, everyone seemed so enthusiastic … and it was great

    having a Norwegian at the conference. The books on sale were Vikings in the

    Irish Sea (Dr. David Griffiths), Irby (Dr. Rob Philpott) and Viking DNA (by

    Turi King, Mark Jobling and myself).

    Thanks for modern dynge = heap, but

    I will check with Dr. Paul Cavill to see if this can help. Dingesmere:

    there are some links to this and Brunanburh on my own Viking page http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/-sczsteve

    Boat: yes we’d all love to get this

    out, but as Dr. Philpott said it would cost 8-10Million to achieve, but the

    boat is perfectly safe in the blue clay until that time comes.. which may

    not be for a long time. We don’t know its Viking, all we know its very

    old! There are I think boats in blue clay in Scandinavia – one in Karmoy and

    one near Gothenburg which have been left for the foreseeable future.

    If there are any developments with Wirral we’ll be sure to let you

    know,

    Hope this helps!

    Beste hilsener

    Steve Harding

    From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

    Sent: 21 November 2010 07:24

    Subject: Viking-congress

    in Chester/Fwd: St. Olave's Church in Chester

    Hi,

    thanks for arranging the

    Viking-congress, which I thought was a very fun idea!

    I was just wondering, who was

    the chair, after lunch again, (the young man in his 30's with a beard on his

    chin or under his mouth, or what it's called).

    Because I thought he was a bit

    'on' me.

    The one who replaced the

    professor from Chester who was ill.

    I've also sendt to the

    professer from National Museums Liverpool and cultural historical museum

    Oslo University again, about possible founding or expertice from Norway, for

    the vikingship in Meols, which I brought up about, yesterday, on the

    congress, after the professor from National Museums Liverpool spoke about

    the archeolology in Irby.

    Also, I tried to explain about

    my contributing regardin the subject of Dingesmere, to do with the big

    battle between the Vikings and the English, on the Wirral.

    In Norwegian, 'dynge' means

    'heap'.

    And I thought that could be

    relevant, since Norwegian and English once were the same language.

    The young chair was an

    expert on Scandinavia, (which I'm not I'm just a normal Norwegian, but I've

    worked on a viking-farm in Norway, actually, Løvås farm in Kvelde, (where

    someone tried to murder me, i 2005, so I went to Liverpool, and the police

    wont investigate).

    The young chair said that in

    Scandinavia 't' often became 'd'.

    (This I don't know myself

    from being Norwegian, even if I one term at high-school got the best grade,

    'S', in Norwegian).

    The young chair also said that

    vikingships in Norway weren't always dug up.

    But, in Norway, we have many

    vikingship, in several musums, (like in Denmark etc).

    But in the

    Wirral/North-England, you haven't got a single vikingship which had been dug

    up.

    So if it's right that we

    have ships like that, under clay, in Norway, then at least we have some

    vikingships which we have put in the museum first.

    E.g. the Vikingship Museum

    in Bygdøy, in Oslo.

    Also, I thought I had to

    'argue' with two people at the same time, when I spoke.

    Because the young chair,

    interrupted, my dialog with the two professors, I thought a bit.

    So that's why I left before

    the book-launch, because I was a bit disapointed in the young chairs

    behavour.

    So I was just a bit

    currious, who the young chair was again.

    Because his name wasn't

    mentioned on the agenda, since the initial chair, after lunch, the professor

    from University of Chester, was ill, if I understood you right, when you

    briefly spoke, after lunch, yesterday.

    Thank you very much in advance

    for any reply!

    And thanks again for holding

    the Viking-congress, which was very fun, and the Viking-exhibition, at the

    Grosvenor Museum, in Chester, was also very fine I think!

    Yours sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog

    ———-

    Forwarded message ———-
    From: Steve Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk>
    Date: Mon, Jul 20,

    2009 at 9:31 AM
    Subject: RE: St. Olave's Church in Chester
    To: Erik

    Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>

    Dear Erik

    Many thanks for your

    email. I will write a more detailed reply later but I thought I'd

    better point out that the present St. Olave's building is of course not the

    original but is probably on the site of an original building which may

    have been wooden – we don't know. It is in the southern part

    the city which we believe to be the Scandinavian part of Chester

    in the 10th Century (and includes the discovery site of a viking treasure

    hoard at Castle Esplanade and some timber constructions similar to those in

    Dublin). The main area of Norse settlement in the area was in Wirral

    where there is extensive place name, archaeological and historical evidence,

    including 2 hogback tombstones.

    If you get a chance have a look

    at my website

    http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/-sczsteve

    and its links, but I will write

    back to you more when I have some more time,

    Beste sommerhilsener

    Steve Harding

    http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/-sczsteve
    steve.harding@nottingham.ac.uk

    Tel: +44(0) 115 951 6148

    (fax 6142)
    Mob: +44(0) 78110 90635



    From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

    Sent: 19 July 2009 19:25
    To: Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk
    Subject: St.

    Olave's Church in Chester

    Hi,

    I'm from Norway, but I live

    in Liverpool, and the other day, I was in Chester, and I

    coinsidentily

    stubled upon, the St. Olave's

    Church, since I thought I had to see a bit of the other towns

    and

    cities, in the North-West,

    and not only Liverpool.

    I took some pictures of the

    church, and posted on my blog.

    From the 'sign' there, it

    could seem like the church was from the 18th century, so much

    was

    my surprice, when I searched

    on the internet, and found, that the chuch was almost a thousand

    years old, built by Norwegian

    Vikings who were refugees from Dublin, since they lost control

    there,

    it seems to me, after reading

    on the internet about this.

    I read on a blog called

    'Ainscough Family History', which I found throug Google, about the

    'Viking

    march', between the Wirral

    and Chester.

    So I wrote a comment on that

    blog, with questions about the St. Olave's Church, and was

    adviced

    to contact you.

    I was just wondering if

    the church is listed, since I don't think we have that old viking

    stone-

    buildings in

    Norway.

    We have 'stav'-churches,

    in three, but I don't think we have any stone-buildings, that are this

    old.

    So, I was just curious about

    this.

    I also wondered if there

    had been conflicts between the St. Olave's Parish and the St.

    Michaels

    Parish, since on one

    building, 'Nine Houses', the borded between the parishes, was written

    on

    the buildings

    facade.

    And, I was also wondering,

    why it isn't a plaque there, explaining about, that the church is

    almost

    a thousand years old, built

    by Vikings from Ireland, because the plaque that's there now,

    makes

    it almost seem, that the

    building was built much later, or, it only least the year the church

    was

    conserved, in the 18th

    century, I think it was.

    As I understand, all the part

    of Chester, from the main street, and down to river, used to

    be

    a Viking-district.

    I was wondering, on some of

    the half timbered houses, I saw some symbols that looked a bit

    like what we call

    'firkløver', that's four-cleaver, I think, in English, could these symbols

    have

    been from Norway, or are they

    English, since I heard that these black and white half-timbered

    houses are 'Tudor-style', so

    I guess that the Vikings, in Chester, would have other types of

    buildings, that was there,

    before the Tudor-style buildings,contemporary with the St.

    Olave's

    Church?

    Sorry that I'm asking a lot

    of questions, I understand if you haven't got the time to answer

    any

    of these questions.

    I just coincidentaly

    notices this church, when I was in Chester, and thought it was fun, to

    see

    place-names, and buildings,

    named after a Norwegian king, that we learned about at school,

    in Norway.

    And at school, in Norway,

    we, as far as I remember, only learned about that York, or

    'Jorvik',

    like the Vikings called the

    town or city, was a Norwegian Viking-town or city.

    But we didn't learn

    about, that there were viking setlements, in Cheshire and

    Merseyside.

    So I wasn't aware of,

    that there was Viking-buildings, in Chester, when I went there, so I

    was

    a bit surprised to see the

    church, and read about it on the internet, so that was very fun.

    I thought that maybe this

    church, could be one of the few buildings etc,. that

    remained,

    after the Vikings, that had

    to leave Ireland.

    In Norway, we learn at

    school, that Vikings founded Dublin etc., but we don't learn

    that

    they went to England, after

    they lost control in Ireland, so this was fun to learn.

    So sorry again that I'm

    asking a lot of questions, and thanks in advance, if you have

    the

    time to explain about any of

    the questions which I've ask!

    Yours

    sincerely,

    Erik

    Ribsskog

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  • Jeg sendte en ny e-post, angående det vikingskipet, som er under en pub, i Meols







    Gmail – Viking-congress in Chester/Fwd: St. Olave's Church in Chester







    Gmail


    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>



    Viking-congress in Chester/Fwd: St. Olave’s Church in Chester




    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>


    Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:31 PM





    To:

    Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk



    Hi again,

    so I have really started my own Viking-project here a bit. 🙂
    I just wanted to level with the Viking-congress, that was on Saturday, in Chester.
    But I'll update and level more, when I know more, from my contact with the experts in Norway.

    Hope this is alright, and sorry that I'm sending so much correspondence about this!
    Thanks again for the good food, on Saturday, even if it wasn't 'speke'-food, I still think it was good food with the chicken balti sandwiches etc.

    Best regards,
    Erik Ribsskog

    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>


    Date: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:15 PM
    Subject: Fwd: Viking-congress in Chester/Fwd: St. Olave's Church in Chester
    To: Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk

    Hi,

    here is what the Riksantikvaren in Norway, wrote about the Vikingship on the Wirral, by the way:

    From: Haustveit, Gunvor <gunvor.haustveit@ra.no>

    Date: 2010/10/18

    Subject: Svar på spørsmål "hjelp med å grave opp vikingskip i England"

    To: eribsskog@gmail.com

    Hei og takk for
    e-post.

    Det er flere kompetansesentra og forskere som er dyktige på feltet

    om vikingskip. Anbefaler først og fremst: Kulturhistorisk museum med
    Vikingskipshuset, dernest Norsk Maritimt Museum og Norsk Institutt for
    kulturminneforskning. I Danmark er det kompetanse ved Roskilde museum.

    Lykke til!

    (Translates to:

    Hi and thanks for the e-mail.

    There are many competence-centers and scientists who are good at the field vikingships. I recomend first and foremost: Cultural-historical museum with the Vkingships-huset, then Norwegian Maritim Museum and Norwegian Institute for Cultural Heritage Science. In Denmark they have competence at Roskilde Museum.

    Good Luck!).
    (This was sent before I read about the project on your website, regarding this vikingship).

    Helsing
    Gunvor Haustveit
    Informasjonsseksjonen

    Riksantikvaren
    Postboks 8196 Dep

    0034 Oslo

    Tlf: + 47 98 20 27 60

    www.riksantikvaren.no


    ———- Forwarded message ———-

    From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>
    Date: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 11:15 AM
    Subject: Re: Viking-congress in Chester/Fwd: St. Olave's Church in Chester


    To: Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk>

    Hi,

    yes, but if they have vikingships on museums in Norway, they are also made of wood, and they don't decay.

    They even have Vikingship-museums in Northern Germany, that used to be southern Denmark, as far as I remember.

    I've heard that the vikingship is under the _parking-lot_ of the pub, (like I said on the congress).
    But I have contacted, (like I wrote), the University of Oslo, cultural-historical museum, both before and after the congress, and I hope to hear back from them soon.

    I just went to Meols, to look at the old Viking-harbour, you see, just to get some fresh air, since I live in the City Centre of Liverpool.
    And then I asked one of the 'natives' about where the viking harbour was, and he also told me, that there was a viking ship, under the pub there.

    And then I went to the pub, the Railway Inn, and spoke with the staff there, (a woman in her 20's, I think, who almost looked Norwegian, I think).
    And she showed me that there was newspaper-articles on the wall, in the big pub, and pictures of a viking longship, etc.

    I promised I'd write about this on my blog, so that people in Norway could read about it.
    Then I contacted University of Oslo.
    But then, later, I read about your desition, to leave the ship under the clay.

    But then, I saw that you had asked universities in Gothenburg and Stockhome for advise.
    And I don't understand why you ask Swedish universities for advise, regarding Norwegian vikingships.

    Because the Swedes went east.
    And the Norwegians went to the Irish Sea, etc.
    The Swedish Vikings didn't go to England and the Irish Sea, they went to Russia etc, in the east.

    So I thought that project was a bit strange, why involve Swedish universities in this?
    Since there is a rivalary between Sweden and Norway, after many wars, from the Viking-time and up to modern history.

    So that made me a bit sceptical, to that project, when I saw that many Swedish universities were involved.
    My reflex, since I am from Norway, would be not to let Swedes be to much involved in a Norwegian/(Irish) Viking-project.

    But anyway.
    But I have contacted the University of Oslo, cultur-historical museum about this, who the 'riksantikvaren', in Norway, refered me to.
    So I'm just waiting to get an answer from them.

    And then I'll contact you when and if I hear something back from them.
    Hope this is alright!
    Thank you very much for your replies, and sorry that I was a bit late for the congress, I just missed the Chester-train, and then I had to take the next train, for Port Ellismere, and change for Chester, so then I was delayed.

    This is mostly because I'm from Norway, that I'm interested in the congress and the Viking-places on the Wirral, because in Norway, this is almost like general knowledge, that we learn about on school etc., so this with Viking-stuff is almost the only thing we take serious in Norway, (except from skiing).

    (Only joking).
    But that's why I'm so interested in this.
    Thanks again for the reply to my e-mail!
    Best regards,
    Erik Ribsskog

    On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

    Dear Erik

    I was part of the team that did the Ground Penetrating Radar studies 3 years ago that appeared to verify the existence of the old vessel and we did discuss this in detail with the people in Oslo – Arne Christiansen and Knut Paasche of the skiphuset Bygdoy. The Chair of the afternoon session was Dr. David Griffiths, distinguished Viking Archaeologist from Oxford, born and brought up in Heswall and like myself a passionate Wirralian – as he explained in his talk. All 3 of us – Rob Philpott, David and myself are in total agreement as to the situation about the boat. Unfortunately you can’t just go down and expose the boat as the old wood would decay rapidly: this would be very irresponsible!. Its underneath a pub and near a major road so unless we can find an estimated 8-10 million pounds, we have to leave it where it is. Then when we have the money lets go for it! To repeat what Rob has said, if you have any ideas where we can get this money, let us know. Believe me we would dearly love to have this excavated but it just can’t be done at the moment. However we are going to have a meeting soon but I can’t see – without the money – much else we can do at the momentThe Friends of Meols Park organisation are having trouble trying to raise £40,000 for a statue of Ingimund for Meols Park, again if you have any ideas for funds that would be great.

    Nottingham involvement:

    The organizers of the conference were Liz Royles and myself. Liz: is Keeper of early archaeology at the Grosvenor Museum at Chester – and was born and brought up from Meols. Liz did a tremendous job putting on the exhibition and obtaining the grants so that everyone could attend for free – and even have free refreshments.

    Myself: Indeed I am now at the University of Nottingham but was born and brought up in Wirral – near Meols and then Wallasey, and come from 2 very old Wirral families that go back at least several hundred years, and very proud of this – if you have a chance please look at my website

    even Tranmere – Tranmael – my team, has a Norwegian name:

    http://trsn.blogspot.com/

    it would be great if you could join us!

    I have just written another book with Liverpool FC fan Stig Vaagan from Hamar – det Norske Liverpool – Vikinger, DNA og Nåtid, which will be published soon in Norway, which includes a lot about the Scandinavian Church on Park Lane: do you know these people there.

    I have also secured an agreement from the people re-constructing the “Drakken” ship of Harald Harfagre for it to sail to Liverpool and Wirral in 2012/2013 after the boat is complete and indeed have been trying very hard for the last 10 years to develop the whole areas Viking Heritage.

    What about meeting up for a beer sometime and we can discuss the boat?

    All the best

    Steve Harding

    From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

    Sent: 23 November 2010 04:11
    To: Stephen Harding
    Subject: Re: Viking-congress in Chester/Fwd: St. Olave's Church in Chester

    Hi,

    I wasn't aware of that there were boats in clay in Scandinavia.

    But, like I wrote in the earlier e-mail, in Scandinavia, we have a lot of ships in museums from before.

    And they had made 46 trenches in Irby, and none in Meols, even if Meols is more Norse/Viking, Irby means town of the Irishmen.

    So I question the priorities here, and as I wrote, and updated the congress about, I have contacted the University of Oslo, about this.

    So I was mostly summarising, what I said on the congress.

    Further, to my complaint.

    I think what happened after lunch, distroyed the congress.

    The chair from University of Chester was ill, and a new chair, from Nottingham, was a reserve.

    I remember it like you only mentioned his firstname, briefly before the congress started again, after lunch.

    And his field wasn't mentioned I think.

    I understood this to be a national Viking congress, and not a Nottingham one.

    So noone knew who this guy was or what his field was, (the new chair).

    He was a reserve, and should have toned himself down, I think, due to this, and due to that his name and field wasn't mentioned in the agenda.

    So I think this distroyed the congress a bit, I'm sorry to say, because the new chair went directly in, with facts, or 'facts', from Scandinavia, all the time.

    Without saying e.g. that the ship was in Gothenburg, he just said 'Scandinavia'.

    And with 't' becomming 'd', like the young chair said was usual in Scandinavia.

    I think that is in Germany, that 't' becomes 'd', like in 'Donerstag' instead of 'Thursday'.

    So my experience of the congress was distroyed by this new chair, I have to admit, so I wanted to complain about the congress.

    I also think it's strange that all this Viking-stuff on the Wirral should be run from Nottingham.

    I think one should have a centre in the Wirral or Chester or Isle of Man, to do with the Norwegian Vikings.

    Because the Norwegian Vikings weren't in Nottingham I think.

    I think a local university, which is located geografically, in what was Norwegian Viking-territory, in the UK, should 'run the show' on this.

    I think Nottingham was south of were the Norwegian Vikings lived, in the UK.

    I think the Wirral was obviously a Norwegian Viking-land.

    Why don't the Wirral run the show on this?

    Why is the Wirral Viking-stuff run from Nottingham, (and Chester).

    Maybe Chester would be logical, but was has Nottingham to do with Norweigan Vikings in the Wirral?

    This sounds strange to me.

    Also, I think one should have a specialist in Viking-archology, digging up the Viking-stuff on the Wirral, because the professor from National Museum Liverpool, in a specialist in Roman and 'later' archeology.

    And he explained that he thought something was roman, and then someone else came and said that bird-figure for a weight, was viking.

    I don't think this is taken seriously enough.

    Look at the Roman arcahology, with the Circus etc, in Chester.

    You say it isn't proven the Viking-ship in Meols is Viking.

    But it is 'klinke'-buildt, which means it's Norse.

    So I think you try to make this unclear, the ships origin, it definately Viking/Norse, and not anything else.

    So I question really the whole congress and you at Nottinghams motivation.

    I understand that University of Oslo or University of Trondheim didn't send any people, it's probably because they didn't feel welcome.

    Sorry that I think I have to write this direct to put it strange.

    But there wasn't much viking about that congress I think.

    Then it should have been served beer/ale and not wine.

    And 'speke'-food, and not Pakistani samosa-food.

    This was not a Norse Viking-congress I think.

    Sorry to say!

    Best regards,

    Erik Ribsskog

    On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

    Thanks Erik, yes we thoroughly enjoyed the congress, everyone seemed so enthusiastic … and it was great having a Norwegian at the conference. The books on sale were Vikings in the Irish Sea (Dr. David Griffiths), Irby (Dr. Rob Philpott) and Viking DNA (by Turi King, Mark Jobling and myself).

    Thanks for modern dynge = heap, but I will check with Dr. Paul Cavill to see if this can help. Dingesmere: there are some links to this and Brunanburh on my own Viking page http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/-sczsteve

    Boat: yes we’d all love to get this out, but as Dr. Philpott said it would cost 8-10Million to achieve, but the boat is perfectly safe in the blue clay until that time comes.. which may not be for a long time. We don’t know its Viking, all we know its very old! There are I think boats in blue clay in Scandinavia – one in Karmoy and one near Gothenburg which have been left for the foreseeable future. If there are any developments with Wirral we’ll be sure to let you know,

    Hope this helps!

    Beste hilsener

    Steve Harding

    From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

    Sent: 21 November 2010 07:24

    Subject: Viking-congress in Chester/Fwd: St. Olave's Church in Chester


    Hi,

    thanks for arranging the Viking-congress, which I thought was a very fun idea!

    I was just wondering, who was the chair, after lunch again, (the young man in his 30's with a beard on his chin or under his mouth, or what it's called).

    Because I thought he was a bit 'on' me.

    The one who replaced the professor from Chester who was ill.


    I've also sendt to the professer from National Museums Liverpool and cultural historical museum Oslo University again, about possible founding or expertice from Norway, for the vikingship in Meols, which I brought up about, yesterday, on the congress, after the professor from National Museums Liverpool spoke about the archeolology in Irby.

    Also, I tried to explain about my contributing regardin the subject of Dingesmere, to do with the big battle between the Vikings and the English, on the Wirral.

    In Norwegian, 'dynge' means 'heap'.

    And I thought that could be relevant, since Norwegian and English once were the same language.

    The young chair was an expert on Scandinavia, (which I'm not I'm just a normal Norwegian, but I've worked on a viking-farm in Norway, actually, Løvås farm in Kvelde, (where someone tried to murder me, i 2005, so I went to Liverpool, and the police wont investigate).

    The young chair said that in Scandinavia 't' often became 'd'.

    (This I don't know myself from being Norwegian, even if I one term at high-school got the best grade, 'S', in Norwegian).


    The young chair also said that vikingships in Norway weren't always dug up.

    But, in Norway, we have many vikingship, in several musums, (like in Denmark etc).

    But in the Wirral/North-England, you haven't got a single vikingship which had been dug up.

    So if it's right that we have ships like that, under clay, in Norway, then at least we have some vikingships which we have put in the museum first.

    E.g. the Vikingship Museum in Bygdøy, in Oslo.


    Also, I thought I had to 'argue' with two people at the same time, when I spoke.

    Because the young chair, interrupted, my dialog with the two professors, I thought a bit.

    So that's why I left before the book-launch, because I was a bit disapointed in the young chairs behavour.

    So I was just a bit currious, who the young chair was again.

    Because his name wasn't mentioned on the agenda, since the initial chair, after lunch, the professor from University of Chester, was ill, if I understood you right, when you briefly spoke, after lunch, yesterday.

    Thank you very much in advance for any reply!

    And thanks again for holding the Viking-congress, which was very fun, and the Viking-exhibition, at the Grosvenor Museum, in Chester, was also very fine I think!

    Yours sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog

    ———- Forwarded message ———-

    From: Steve Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk>
    Date: Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:31 AM
    Subject: RE: St. Olave's Church in Chester

    To: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>

    Dear Erik


    Many thanks for your email. I will write a more detailed reply later but I thought I'd better point out that the present St. Olave's building is of course not the original but is probably on the site of an original building which may have been wooden – we don't know. It is in the southern part the city which we believe to be the Scandinavian part of Chester in the 10th Century (and includes the discovery site of a viking treasure hoard at Castle Esplanade and some timber constructions similar to those in Dublin). The main area of Norse settlement in the area was in Wirral where there is extensive place name, archaeological and historical evidence, including 2 hogback tombstones.

    If you get a chance have a look at my website

    http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/-sczsteve

    and its links, but I will write back to you more when I have some more time,

    Beste sommerhilsener


    Steve Harding

    http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/-sczsteve

    steve.harding@nottingham.ac.uk
    Tel: +44(0) 115 951 6148 (fax 6142)
    Mob: +44(0) 78110 90635


    From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

    Sent: 19 July 2009 19:25
    To: Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk
    Subject: St. Olave's Church in Chester


    Hi,

    I'm from Norway, but I live in Liverpool, and the other day, I was in Chester, and I coinsidentily

    stubled upon, the St. Olave's Church, since I thought I had to see a bit of the other towns and


    cities, in the North-West, and not only Liverpool.

    I took some pictures of the church, and posted on my blog.

    From the 'sign' there, it could seem like the church was from the 18th century, so much was


    my surprice, when I searched on the internet, and found, that the chuch was almost a thousand

    years old, built by Norwegian Vikings who were refugees from Dublin, since they lost control there,

    it seems to me, after reading on the internet about this.


    I read on a blog called 'Ainscough Family History', which I found throug Google, about the 'Viking

    march', between the Wirral and Chester.

    So I wrote a comment on that blog, with questions about the St. Olave's Church, and was adviced

    to contact you.

    I was just wondering if the church is listed, since I don't think we have that old viking stone-

    buildings in Norway.

    We have 'stav'-churches, in three, but I don't think we have any stone-buildings, that are this old.

    So, I was just curious about this.

    I also wondered if there had been conflicts between the St. Olave's Parish and the St. Michaels

    Parish, since on one building, 'Nine Houses', the borded between the parishes, was written on

    the buildings facade.

    And, I was also wondering, why it isn't a plaque there, explaining about, that the church is almost

    a thousand years old, built by Vikings from Ireland, because the plaque that's there now, makes


    it almost seem, that the building was built much later, or, it only least the year the church was

    conserved, in the 18th century, I think it was.

    As I understand, all the part of Chester, from the main street, and down to river, used to be

    a Viking-district.

    I was wondering, on some of the half timbered houses, I saw some symbols that looked a bit

    like what we call 'firkløver', that's four-cleaver, I think, in English, could these symbols have


    been from Norway, or are they English, since I heard that these black and white half-timbered

    houses are 'Tudor-style', so I guess that the Vikings, in Chester, would have other types of

    buildings, that was there, before the Tudor-style buildings,contemporary with the St. Olave's

    Church?

    Sorry that I'm asking a lot of questions, I understand if you haven't got the time to answer any

    of these questions.

    I just coincidentaly notices this church, when I was in Chester, and thought it was fun, to see

    place-names, and buildings, named after a Norwegian king, that we learned about at school,

    in Norway.

    And at school, in Norway, we, as far as I remember, only learned about that York, or 'Jorvik',


    like the Vikings called the town or city, was a Norwegian Viking-town or city.

    But we didn't learn about, that there were viking setlements, in Cheshire and Merseyside.

    So I wasn't aware of, that there was Viking-buildings, in Chester, when I went there, so I was


    a bit surprised to see the church, and read about it on the internet, so that was very fun.

    I thought that maybe this church, could be one of the few buildings etc,. that remained,

    after the Vikings, that had to leave Ireland.

    In Norway, we learn at school, that Vikings founded Dublin etc., but we don't learn that

    they went to England, after they lost control in Ireland, so this was fun to learn.

    So sorry again that I'm asking a lot of questions, and thanks in advance, if you have the

    time to explain about any of the questions which I've ask!

    Yours sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog

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  • Jeg sendte en ny e-post angående viking-kongressen i Chester







    Gmail – Viking-congress in Chester/Fwd: St. Olave's Church in Chester







    Gmail


    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>



    Viking-congress in Chester/Fwd: St. Olave’s Church in Chester




    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>


    Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 4:56 AM





    To:

    Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk



    Hi again,

    I think you would also get a lot of tourists, from Scandinavia, to the Wirral, if you dig up the Viking-ship, and put it in a Viking Museum there, together with a lot of other VIking-stuff.

    I think the congress wasn't fine, I think it was more like a Pakistani Viking-congress than a Norse Viking-congress really, when I think about it.
    Which traditions have this congress?

    Is it a 'one of'?
    I see on the internet, that there already is an international Viking-congress, which is being arranged every fourth year, in Northern Europe.
    Sorry that I send many e-mails!

    Best regards,

    Erik Ribsskog

    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>

    Date: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 4:10 AM
    Subject: Re: Viking-congress in Chester/Fwd: St. Olave's Church in Chester
    To: Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk>

    Hi,

    I wasn't aware of that there were boats in clay in Scandinavia.
    But, like I wrote in the earlier e-mail, in Scandinavia, we have a lot of ships in museums from before.

    And they had made 46 trenches in Irby, and none in Meols, even if Meols is more Norse/Viking, Irby means town of the Irishmen.
    So I question the priorities here, and as I wrote, and updated the congress about, I have contacted the University of Oslo, about this.

    So I was mostly summarising, what I said on the congress.
    Further, to my complaint.
    I think what happened after lunch, distroyed the congress.
    The chair from University of Chester was ill, and a new chair, from Nottingham, was a reserve.

    I remember it like you only mentioned his firstname, briefly before the congress started again, after lunch.
    And his field wasn't mentioned I think.
    I understood this to be a national Viking congress, and not a Nottingham one.

    So noone knew who this guy was or what his field was, (the new chair).
    He was a reserve, and should have toned himself down, I think, due to this, and due to that his name and field wasn't mentioned in the agenda.

    So I think this distroyed the congress a bit, I'm sorry to say, because the new chair went directly in, with facts, or 'facts', from Scandinavia, all the time.
    Without saying e.g. that the ship was in Gothenburg, he just said 'Scandinavia'.

    And with 't' becomming 'd', like the young chair said was usual in Scandinavia.
    I think that is in Germany, that 't' becomes 'd', like in 'Donerstag' instead of 'Thursday'.

    So my experience of the congress was distroyed by this new chair, I have to admit, so I wanted to complain about the congress.
    I also think it's strange that all this Viking-stuff on the Wirral should be run from Nottingham.

    I think one should have a centre in the Wirral or Chester or Isle of Man, to do with the Norwegian Vikings.

    Because the Norwegian Vikings weren't in Nottingham I think.

    I think a local university, which is located geografically, in what was Norwegian Viking-territory, in the UK, should 'run the show' on this.

    I think Nottingham was south of were the Norwegian Vikings lived, in the UK.
    I think the Wirral was obviously a Norwegian Viking-land.
    Why don't the Wirral run the show on this?

    Why is the Wirral Viking-stuff run from Nottingham, (and Chester).
    Maybe Chester would be logical, but was has Nottingham to do with Norweigan Vikings in the Wirral?
    This sounds strange to me.

    Also, I think one should have a specialist in Viking-archology, digging up the Viking-stuff on the Wirral, because the professor from National Museum Liverpool, in a specialist in Roman and 'later' archeology.

    And he explained that he thought something was roman, and then someone else came and said that bird-figure for a weight, was viking.
    I don't think this is taken seriously enough.

    Look at the Roman arcahology, with the Circus etc, in Chester.

    You say it isn't proven the Viking-ship in Meols is Viking.
    But it is 'klinke'-buildt, which means it's Norse.
    So I think you try to make this unclear, the ships origin, it definately Viking/Norse, and not anything else.

    So I question really the whole congress and you at Nottinghams motivation.

    I understand that University of Oslo or University of Trondheim didn't send any people, it's probably because they didn't feel welcome.

    Sorry that I think I have to write this direct to put it strange.
    But there wasn't much viking about that congress I think.
    Then it should have been served beer/ale and not wine.

    And 'speke'-food, and not Pakistani samosa-food.
    This was not a Norse Viking-congress I think.
    Sorry to say!
    Best regards,

    Erik Ribsskog

    On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Stephen Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

    Thanks Erik, yes we thoroughly enjoyed the congress, everyone seemed so enthusiastic … and it was great having a Norwegian at the conference. The books on sale were Vikings in the Irish Sea (Dr. David Griffiths), Irby (Dr. Rob Philpott) and Viking DNA (by Turi King, Mark Jobling and myself).

    Thanks for modern dynge = heap, but I will check with Dr. Paul Cavill to see if this can help. Dingesmere: there are some links to this and Brunanburh on my own Viking page http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/-sczsteve

    Boat: yes we’d all love to get this out, but as Dr. Philpott said it would cost 8-10Million to achieve, but the boat is perfectly safe in the blue clay until that time comes.. which may not be for a long time. We don’t know its Viking, all we know its very old! There are I think boats in blue clay in Scandinavia – one in Karmoy and one near Gothenburg which have been left for the foreseeable future. If there are any developments with Wirral we’ll be sure to let you know,

    Hope this helps!

    Beste hilsener

    Steve Harding

    From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

    Sent: 21 November 2010 07:24

    Subject: Viking-congress in Chester/Fwd: St. Olave's Church in Chester

    Hi,


    thanks for arranging the Viking-congress, which I thought was a very fun idea!

    I was just wondering, who was the chair, after lunch again, (the young man in his 30's with a beard on his chin or under his mouth, or what it's called).

    Because I thought he was a bit 'on' me.

    The one who replaced the professor from Chester who was ill.


    I've also sendt to the professer from National Museums Liverpool and cultural historical museum Oslo University again, about possible founding or expertice from Norway, for the vikingship in Meols, which I brought up about, yesterday, on the congress, after the professor from National Museums Liverpool spoke about the archeolology in Irby.

    Also, I tried to explain about my contributing regardin the subject of Dingesmere, to do with the big battle between the Vikings and the English, on the Wirral.

    In Norwegian, 'dynge' means 'heap'.

    And I thought that could be relevant, since Norwegian and English once were the same language.

    The young chair was an expert on Scandinavia, (which I'm not I'm just a normal Norwegian, but I've worked on a viking-farm in Norway, actually, Løvås farm in Kvelde, (where someone tried to murder me, i 2005, so I went to Liverpool, and the police wont investigate).

    The young chair said that in Scandinavia 't' often became 'd'.

    (This I don't know myself from being Norwegian, even if I one term at high-school got the best grade, 'S', in Norwegian).


    The young chair also said that vikingships in Norway weren't always dug up.

    But, in Norway, we have many vikingship, in several musums, (like in Denmark etc).

    But in the Wirral/North-England, you haven't got a single vikingship which had been dug up.

    So if it's right that we have ships like that, under clay, in Norway, then at least we have some vikingships which we have put in the museum first.

    E.g. the Vikingship Museum in Bygdøy, in Oslo.


    Also, I thought I had to 'argue' with two people at the same time, when I spoke.

    Because the young chair, interrupted, my dialog with the two professors, I thought a bit.

    So that's why I left before the book-launch, because I was a bit disapointed in the young chairs behavour.

    So I was just a bit currious, who the young chair was again.

    Because his name wasn't mentioned on the agenda, since the initial chair, after lunch, the professor from University of Chester, was ill, if I understood you right, when you briefly spoke, after lunch, yesterday.

    Thank you very much in advance for any reply!

    And thanks again for holding the Viking-congress, which was very fun, and the Viking-exhibition, at the Grosvenor Museum, in Chester, was also very fine I think!

    Yours sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog


    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Steve Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk>
    Date: Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:31 AM
    Subject: RE: St. Olave's Church in Chester

    To: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>

    Dear Erik


    Many thanks for your email. I will write a more detailed reply later but I thought I'd better point out that the present St. Olave's building is of course not the original but is probably on the site of an original building which may have been wooden – we don't know. It is in the southern part the city which we believe to be the Scandinavian part of Chester in the 10th Century (and includes the discovery site of a viking treasure hoard at Castle Esplanade and some timber constructions similar to those in Dublin). The main area of Norse settlement in the area was in Wirral where there is extensive place name, archaeological and historical evidence, including 2 hogback tombstones.

    If you get a chance have a look at my website

    http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/-sczsteve

    and its links, but I will write back to you more when I have some more time,

    Beste sommerhilsener


    Steve Harding

    http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/-sczsteve

    steve.harding@nottingham.ac.uk
    Tel: +44(0) 115 951 6148 (fax 6142)
    Mob: +44(0) 78110 90635


    From: Erik Ribsskog [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]

    Sent: 19 July 2009 19:25
    To: Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk
    Subject: St. Olave's Church in Chester

    Hi,

    I'm from Norway, but I live in Liverpool, and the other day, I was in Chester, and I coinsidentily

    stubled upon, the St. Olave's Church, since I thought I had to see a bit of the other towns and


    cities, in the North-West, and not only Liverpool.

    I took some pictures of the church, and posted on my blog.

    From the 'sign' there, it could seem like the church was from the 18th century, so much was


    my surprice, when I searched on the internet, and found, that the chuch was almost a thousand

    years old, built by Norwegian Vikings who were refugees from Dublin, since they lost control there,

    it seems to me, after reading on the internet about this.


    I read on a blog called 'Ainscough Family History', which I found throug Google, about the 'Viking

    march', between the Wirral and Chester.

    So I wrote a comment on that blog, with questions about the St. Olave's Church, and was adviced

    to contact you.

    I was just wondering if the church is listed, since I don't think we have that old viking stone-

    buildings in Norway.

    We have 'stav'-churches, in three, but I don't think we have any stone-buildings, that are this old.

    So, I was just curious about this.

    I also wondered if there had been conflicts between the St. Olave's Parish and the St. Michaels

    Parish, since on one building, 'Nine Houses', the borded between the parishes, was written on

    the buildings facade.

    And, I was also wondering, why it isn't a plaque there, explaining about, that the church is almost

    a thousand years old, built by Vikings from Ireland, because the plaque that's there now, makes


    it almost seem, that the building was built much later, or, it only least the year the church was

    conserved, in the 18th century, I think it was.

    As I understand, all the part of Chester, from the main street, and down to river, used to be

    a Viking-district.

    I was wondering, on some of the half timbered houses, I saw some symbols that looked a bit

    like what we call 'firkløver', that's four-cleaver, I think, in English, could these symbols have


    been from Norway, or are they English, since I heard that these black and white half-timbered

    houses are 'Tudor-style', so I guess that the Vikings, in Chester, would have other types of

    buildings, that was there, before the Tudor-style buildings,contemporary with the St. Olave's

    Church?

    Sorry that I'm asking a lot of questions, I understand if you haven't got the time to answer any

    of these questions.

    I just coincidentaly notices this church, when I was in Chester, and thought it was fun, to see

    place-names, and buildings, named after a Norwegian king, that we learned about at school,

    in Norway.

    And at school, in Norway, we, as far as I remember, only learned about that York, or 'Jorvik',


    like the Vikings called the town or city, was a Norwegian Viking-town or city.

    But we didn't learn about, that there were viking setlements, in Cheshire and Merseyside.

    So I wasn't aware of, that there was Viking-buildings, in Chester, when I went there, so I was


    a bit surprised to see the church, and read about it on the internet, so that was very fun.

    I thought that maybe this church, could be one of the few buildings etc,. that remained,

    after the Vikings, that had to leave Ireland.

    In Norway, we learn at school, that Vikings founded Dublin etc., but we don't learn that

    they went to England, after they lost control in Ireland, so this was fun to learn.

    So sorry again that I'm asking a lot of questions, and thanks in advance, if you have the

    time to explain about any of the questions which I've ask!

    Yours sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog

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  • Vikingferier i England?

    Det jeg tenkte på nå.

    Var at jeg skulle begynt å arrangere Viking-ferier i England.

    Siden jeg bor så nærme the Wirral osv., hvor de har funnet et vikingskip, (som rikignok ligger under en fin pub), i Meols, og de har funnet viking-langhus i Irby, og de har masse vikingstener i kirker osv.

    Og de har steder som Thorstenston, oppkalt etter en norsk viking vel.

    Dessuten har de et sted som heter Thingwall, hvor de hadde viking-ting, på en høyde vel.

    Og de har også en artig stor sandstein, som heter ‘Thors stone’, oppkalt etter den norrøne guden Thor da.

    Så kunne folk kanskje bodd i ganske landlige omgivelser, i Thorsteinston eller Meols, eller noe.

    Og det er jo også nærme byene Liverpool og Chester, som begge har mange severdigheter.

    Liverpool har jo fotball og uteliv og Beatles osv.

    Og Chester har jo artige hus med svarte og hvite trefasader.

    Og de har romerske utgravninger, av et sirkus, heter det vel.

    Og mye annet.

    Og også en kirke som er oppkalt etter Olav den Hellige, som heter St. Olave’s Church.

    Så kanskje jeg skulle vært guide, på the Wirral osv.

    Og organisere Viking-ferier osv. dit?

    Kanskje det hadde vært en god ide.

    Men vi får se hva som skjer.

    Vi får se.

    Mvh.

    Erik Ribsskog

    PS.

    Den steinen Thors stone.

    Det kan jo også være sånn, at det er navnet Thorstein, som er oppkalt etter Thors Stone.

    Og ikke omvendt.

    Og ikke sånn at Thorsteinston var oppkalt etter en med navn Thorstein.

    Men at Thorsteinston var oppkalt etter Thors Stone.

    Og at navnet Thorstein, er etter den severdigheten på the Wirral da.

    Det har jeg tenkt en gang ihvertfall, at kanskje det var sånn.

    For den steinen, Thors Stone, den er ganske fin da.

    Og ble kanskje regnet nesten som et underverk, i vikingetiden?

    Hvem vet.

    Bare noe jeg tenkte på.

    Men vi får se hva som skjer.

    Vi får se.

  • Her er noen bilder fra Chester i går, mm.

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    PS.

    Her er mer om den viking-utstillingen som er på Grosvenor Museum, i Chester nå, og som heter ‘Reap and Tillage: The Vikings in Cheshire’:

    img123

    PS 2.

    Grosvenor Museum hadde også en egen butikk, hvor de blant annet solgte noen få viking-ting, for eksempel denne reproduserte vikingmynten, som kostet £1.20, som jeg kjøpte med som en souvernir, (siden de ikke solgte utstillings-plakaten for viking-utstillingen, sa hun damen i butikken, selv om den plakaten var hengt opp i kassaområdet. Men men).

    Her er mer om dette:

    vikingmynt 1

    vikingmynt 2

    PS 3.

    Sånn her så baksiden av den reproduserte vikingmynten ut, (den minner vel litt om de gamle kronestykkene med hull i kanskje? Hvis folk husker de enda, de var vel fra før krigen, eller noe. Noe sånt):

    bakside av minnemynt

    PS 4.

    I starten, da jeg var på den viking-kongressen, så prøvde jeg også å ta opp med mobilkamera, men jeg var ikke sikker på om det var lov, så det ble ikke så vellykka.

    (Jeg kom jo også for seint, så jeg var ikke sikker på om jeg burde skille meg ut for mye.

    Men men).

    Her er mer om dette:

    PS 5.

    Han professoren, som holdt det foredraget, ovenfor.

    Han var fra ved University of Oxford.

    Og han prata så ‘mykt’, (eller hva jeg skal kalle det), så jeg fikk ikke med meg halvparten omtrent, av det han sa.

    (Han virka kanskje litt uinspirert, uten at jeg skal si det helt sikkert).

    Enda jeg fikk beste karakter, på Troefl-testen, i engelsk, da jeg studerte ved University of Sunderland, i 2004/05.

    Men men.

    Bare noe jeg tilfeldigvis kom på.

    Så sånn var det.

    Så vi får se hva som skjer.

    Vi får se.

  • Jeg sendt en e-post til Dr. Stephen Harding, ved the University of Nottingham







    Gmail – Viking-congress in Chester/Fwd: St. Olave's Church in Chester







    Gmail


    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>



    Viking-congress in Chester/Fwd: St. Olave’s Church in Chester




    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>


    Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 7:23 AM





    To:

    Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk



    Hi,

    thanks for arranging the Viking-congress, which I thought was a very fun idea!
    I was just wondering, who was the chair, after lunch again, (the young man in his 30's with a beard on his chin or under his mouth, or what it's called).

    Because I thought he was a bit 'on' me.
    The one who replaced the professor from Chester who was ill.
    I've also sendt to the professer from National Museums Liverpool and cultural historical museum Oslo University again, about possible founding or expertice from Norway, for the vikingship in Meols, which I brought up about, yesterday, on the congress, after the professor from National Museums Liverpool spoke about the archeolology in Irby.

    Also, I tried to explain about my contributing regardin the subject of Dingesmere, to do with the big battle between the Vikings and the English, on the Wirral.
    In Norwegian, 'dynge' means 'heap'.

    And I thought that could be relevant, since Norwegian and English once were the same language.
    The young chair was an expert on Scandinavia, (which I'm not I'm just a normal Norwegian, but I've worked on a viking-farm in Norway, actually, Løvås farm in Kvelde, (where someone tried to murder me, i 2005, so I went to Liverpool, and the police wont investigate).

    The young chair said that in Scandinavia 't' often became 'd'.
    (This I don't know myself from being Norwegian, even if I one term at high-school got the best grade, 'S', in Norwegian).

    The young chair also said that vikingships in Norway weren't always dug up.
    But, in Norway, we have many vikingship, in several musums, (like in Denmark etc).
    But in the Wirral/North-England, you haven't got a single vikingship which had been dug up.
    So if it's right that we have ships like that, under clay, in Norway, then at least we have some vikingships which we have put in the museum first.

    E.g. the Vikingship Museum in Bygdøy, in Oslo.
    Also, I thought I had to 'argue' with two people at the same time, when I spoke.
    Because the young chair, interrupted, my dialog with the two professors, I thought a bit.

    So that's why I left before the book-launch, because I was a bit disapointed in the young chairs behavour.
    So I was just a bit currious, who the young chair was again.
    Because his name wasn't mentioned on the agenda, since the initial chair, after lunch, the professor from University of Chester, was ill, if I understood you right, when you briefly spoke, after lunch, yesterday.

    Thank you very much in advance for any reply!
    And thanks again for holding the Viking-congress, which was very fun, and the Viking-exhibition, at the Grosvenor Museum, in Chester, was also very fine I think!

    Yours sincerely,
    Erik Ribsskog
    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Steve Harding <Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk>

    Date: Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:31 AM
    Subject: RE: St. Olave's Church in Chester
    To: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>

    Dear Erik

    Many thanks for your

    email. I will write a more detailed reply later but I thought I'd better

    point out that the present St. Olave's building is of course not the original

    but is probably on the site of an original building which may have been

    wooden – we don't know. It is in the southern part the city

    which we believe to be the Scandinavian part of Chester in the 10th

    Century (and includes the discovery site of a viking treasure hoard at Castle

    Esplanade and some timber constructions similar to those in Dublin). The

    main area of Norse settlement in the area was in Wirral where there is extensive

    place name, archaeological and historical evidence, including 2 hogback

    tombstones.

    If you get a chance have

    a look at my website

    and its links, but I will

    write back to you more when I have some more time,

    Beste

    sommerhilsener

    Steve

    Harding

    http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/–sczsteve
    steve.harding@nottingham.ac.uk

    Tel: +44(0) 115 951 6148 (fax

    6142)
    Mob: +44(0) 78110 90635

    From: Erik Ribsskog

    [mailto:eribsskog@gmail.com]
    Sent: 19 July 2009 19:25
    To:

    Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk
    Subject: St. Olave's Church in

    Chester

    Hi,

    I'm from Norway, but I live in Liverpool, and the other day, I was in

    Chester, and I coinsidentily

    stubled upon, the St. Olave's Church, since I thought I had to see a bit

    of the other towns and

    cities, in the North-West, and not only Liverpool.

    I took some pictures of the church, and posted on my blog.

    From the 'sign' there, it could seem like the church was from the

    18th century, so much was

    my surprice, when I searched on the internet, and found, that the chuch

    was almost a thousand

    years old, built by Norwegian Vikings who were refugees from Dublin,

    since they lost control there,

    it seems to me, after reading on the internet about this.

    I read on a blog called 'Ainscough Family History', which I found throug

    Google, about the 'Viking

    march', between the Wirral and Chester.

    So I wrote a comment on that blog, with questions about the St. Olave's

    Church, and was adviced

    to contact you.

    I was just wondering if the church is listed, since I don't think we

    have that old viking stone-

    buildings in Norway.

    We have 'stav'-churches, in three, but I don't think we have any

    stone-buildings, that are this old.

    So, I was just curious about this.

    I also wondered if there had been conflicts between the St. Olave's

    Parish and the St. Michaels

    Parish, since on one building, 'Nine Houses', the borded between the

    parishes, was written on

    the buildings facade.

    And, I was also wondering, why it isn't a plaque there, explaining about,

    that the church is almost

    a thousand years old, built by Vikings from Ireland, because the plaque

    that's there now, makes

    it almost seem, that the building was built much later, or, it only least

    the year the church was

    conserved, in the 18th century, I think it was.

    As I understand, all the part of Chester, from the main street, and down

    to river, used to be

    a Viking-district.

    I was wondering, on some of the half timbered houses, I saw some symbols

    that looked a bit

    like what we call 'firkløver', that's four-cleaver, I think, in English,

    could these symbols have

    been from Norway, or are they English, since I heard that these black and

    white half-timbered

    houses are 'Tudor-style', so I guess that the Vikings, in Chester, would

    have other types of

    buildings, that was there, before the Tudor-style buildings,contemporary

    with the St. Olave's

    Church?

    Sorry that I'm asking a lot of questions, I understand if you haven't got

    the time to answer any

    of these questions.

    I just coincidentaly notices this church, when I was in Chester, and

    thought it was fun, to see

    place-names, and buildings, named after a Norwegian king, that we learned

    about at school,

    in Norway.

    And at school, in Norway, we, as far as I remember, only learned

    about that York, or 'Jorvik',

    like the Vikings called the town or city, was a Norwegian Viking-town or

    city.

    But we didn't learn about, that there were viking setlements, in

    Cheshire and Merseyside.

    So I wasn't aware of, that there was Viking-buildings, in Chester,

    when I went there, so I was

    a bit surprised to see the church, and read about it on the internet, so

    that was very fun.

    I thought that maybe this church, could be one of the few buildings etc,.

    that remained,

    after the Vikings, that had to leave Ireland.

    In Norway, we learn at school, that Vikings founded Dublin etc., but

    we don't learn that

    they went to England, after they lost control in Ireland, so this was fun

    to learn.

    So sorry again that I'm asking a lot of questions, and thanks in

    advance, if you have the

    time to explain about any of the questions which I've ask!

    Yours sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog


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  • Her er programmet for viking-kongressen i Chester idag. (Jeg var med fra kl. 12, for visste ikke at man måtte bestille og kom også for sent. Ikke bra)

    img122

    PS.

    Fra det foredraget, klokken 12, så kan jeg ta med det, at de vikingene som dro fra Irland, til the Wirral, de ble kastet ut av irene, og de ble ledet av Ingemund.

    Som også prøvde å ta Anglesey, tror jeg det var, (ihvertfall tapte han et slag i Nord-Wales vel), og også Chester vel.

    Men fikk kjøpt land av en (angel-)saksisk dronning, til slutt, tror jeg det var.

    Og the var nord-delen av the Wirral da.

    Det er mange norrøne stedsnavn, i Nord-England, men ikke så mange i Irland.

    Vikingene må ha hatt et stort oppland rundt Dublin, men i dette området rundt Dublin finnes det få norrøne stedsnavn.

    Kanskje de har blitt forrandret til irske navn?

    Engelsk og gammel-norrønt, har mer til felles, enn irsk og gammel-norrønt.

    Byen Dublin fortsatte å fungere, (f.eks. ble mynter fortsatt laget), også etter at (de norske) vikingene, ble utvist fra Irland.

    Det kan kanskje ha vært sånn, at det bare var den øverste politiske eliten, blant vikingene, som ble utvist.

    Irene var ikke dumme, de ville at Dublin skulle fortsette å fungere.

    Vikinge-lederne som ble utvist fra Dublin, dro til Frankrike, Skottland og Vest-England.

    Antall inbyggere i Dublin, på den tiden, var ca. 1000, så det var ikke snakk om noen masse-immigrasjon, til Nord-Vest England, av norske vikinger, fra Irland.

    PS 2.

    Det i PS-et ovenfor, det var visst mest fra foredraget kl 12.30, med en dame, (Dr. Clare Downham), ved Institue of Irish Studies, University of Liverpool.

    PS 3.

    Etter lunch, så var det om Battle of Brunanburh hvor engelskmennene slo vikingene, og vikingene flyktet til Irland, fra the Wirral da, antagelig, siden et sted på the Wirral, heter noe nesten helt likt med Brunanburh idag, ble det visst, i detalj.

    De ville ha det til, at stedet vikingene flyktet fra, Dingesmere, var etter Tinget, på the Wirral.

    Men en i salen, protesterte, og sa at ‘t’, som i ‘ting’, sjelden ble til ‘d’.

    Da sa han med flippskjegget, at ‘t’ ble til ‘d’ mange steder i Skandinavia.

    (Noe jeg ikke kjente til.

    Men jeg er ikke så god på stedsnavn, så jeg holdt kjeft).

    De sa at det ikke kunne komme fra det engelske ordet ‘dynge’ som betydde høy lyd, eller noe.

    Og da sa jeg det, at på norsk, så betydde dynge ‘heap’.

    Men det ville ikke han med flippskjegget, og han foredragsholderen, Paul Cavill, University of Nottingham, gå med på.

    (Enda det vel var jeg som var eksperten i norsk, siden jeg har norsk som morsmål, mener jeg).

    Og norsk og engelsk var jo en gang samme språk, så derfor tenkte jeg dette var relevant.

    Men men.

    PS 4.

    Det om utgravingene i Irby, som ble forklart av Dr. Robert Philpott, det forklarte jeg mye om i den forrige bloggposten, i den e-posten som jeg sendte til kulturhistorisk museum.

    PS 5.

    Foredraget om Vikinge-kvinner, med Dr. Christina Lee, det fikk jeg ikke helt med meg, for jeg prata så mye, like før det startet, så jeg var litt sånn anspent, eller på tuppa, for det var kanskje 50 eller 100 folk der, eller noe.

    Noe sånt.

    Og jeg var vel den eneste fra Norge der, tror jeg.

    Selv om det vel var et middelaldrende par fra Island der, tror jeg.

    Og det var også folk fra Isle of Man.

    Men men.

    Det han fra Isle of Man, kunne forklare fra salen, det var at de korsene, (som er noen slags solkors, tror jeg), som de har funnet mange av i Neston, med figur-motiver osv., de trodde noen, at kanskje ble brukt som markører av pilgrimsveier.

    Noen fra salen kunne forklare at pilgrimsveien til Hilbre Island, (hvor jeg gikk nesten ut til en gang, som jeg har skrevet om på bloggen, en øy, som kan gå til, når det ikke er tidevann).

    Det var kun en lokal pilgrimsvei.

    Og han fra Isle of Man, kunne forklare det, at på Isle of Man, så ble ikke sånne kors brukt som markører av pilgrimsveier, de ble kun brukt som gravmonumenter der.

    Så sånn var det.

    Bare noe jeg kom på.

    Men det siste foredraget, det fikk jeg med meg litt av, selv om jeg fikk mye adrenalin, av å diskutere med han professoren, fra National Museum Liverpool, og han med flippskjegget.

    For de prøvde liksom litt å latterliggjøre meg, noen ganger.

    Så det var nære på at jeg protesterte.

    For når jeg snakket, så begynte både foredragsholder og han ‘the chair’ å snakke tilbake til meg.

    Mens andre som spurte spørsmål fra salen, kanskje ble behandlet litt mildere, synes jeg.

    For de diskuterte kun med foredragsholderen.

    Og jeg har jo ikke engelsk som morsmål heller, så det var litt sånn uvant for meg, å diskutere mot to personer, må jeg vel si, om noe ekspert-greier, foran nesten hundre personer liksom.

    Så da fikk jeg litt høy puls, heter det kanskje, under det siste foredraget.

    Men men.

    Men det var også et ganske bra foredrag, vil jeg si.

    Hun visste mønstre i klærna, til vikingekvinnene, som man har funnet, i forskjellige deler av Nord-Europa.

    Og da kunne man muligens se fra det, at vikingene i Irland var fra Vestlandet, for eksempel.

    (Ettersom de kanskje brukte de samme tøymønsterne i Dublin og på Vestlandet da.

    Selv om jeg ikke husker nøyaktig hvordan dette var.

    Men bare for å ta et tenkt eksempel da).

    For jeg fikk ikke med meg hele det siste foredraget, siden jeg fikk litt høy puls osv., av å krangle med han professoren og han med flippskjegget osv.

    Men men.

    Og jeg droppet også den siste delen, som var boklansering.

    For jeg hadde ikke lyst til å krangle mer.

    Og jeg var litt trøtt.

    Og jeg hadde også litt lyst til å protestere litt, mot at jeg ble dårlig behandlet av ‘the chair’, syntes jeg, som nesten angrep meg, må jeg vel si, mens jeg egentlig diskuterte meg foredragsholderen.

    Og ‘the chair’, (han med flippskjegget), kom også med uspesifiserte påstander.

    Som at ‘mange vikingeskip i Norge, blir ikke gravet opp’.

    Og tull, som da jeg sa at dynge betydde ‘heap’, også lot han ‘the chair’ som at jeg mente det engelske ordet ‘heap’.

    (Altså at ‘heap’ ikke passet i Dingesmere).

    Det ble jo bare dumt.

    Så derfor ble jeg ikke der lenger enn til klokken 17.

    Jeg ble ikke med på den siste boklanseringa.

    (Og jeg droppa også en vindrikkings-seanse, som de også hadde.

    Som ikke stod på agendaen vel.

    Men men.

    Øl hadde vel kanskje passet bedre, siden det var noe viking-greier?).

    For jeg syntes jeg ble dårlig behandlet, av han the chair.

    Men men.

    Men når det er sagt, så var museumet hyggelige.

    For jeg fikk lov å komme inn der, enda jeg ikke hadde meldt meg på på forhånd.

    For det hadde ikke jeg skjønt, at man egentlig måtte.

    Og jeg fikk også spise masse god lunch der.

    Men, jeg har ikke betalt for å være med på kongressen.

    Jeg vet ikke hvor mye det egentlig kostet engang.

    Jeg trodde det var gratis.

    Men men.

    Men han fra museet sa vi skulle ordne betalingen senere, da han sa jeg kunne gå inn der, klokken 12.

    Men det ble det ikke noe av, dessverre.

    Så jeg var litt sleip, og sleipa til meg masse lunch osv.

    Ikke bra.

    Men så er ikke jeg så ofte på kongresser da.

    Jeg har vært på seminar med Rimi, 2-3 ganger vel, (på Storefjell).

    Og der er maten gratis, for å si det sånn.

    Også sovna jeg for hver stasjon nesten, på toget tilbake til Liverpool, for jeg var litt trøtt.

    Men men.

    Jeg tok også en del bilder, som vanlig, som jeg skal prøve å få lagt ut.

    Vi får se om jeg klarer det.

    Vi får se.

    PS 6.

    Hun siste damen, som holdt foredrag, hun sa det, at dess lenger vekk fra Skandinavia, dess færre av vikingene hadde norrøne koner.

    På Øst-kysten av England, så hadde mange av vikingene norrøne koner.

    Men ikke så mange i Irland.

    (Og muligens det samme med Island).

    Men jeg husker ikke nøyaktig hvordan det var.

    Men vi fikk se masse plansjer da, som det hadde vært artig, å hatt.

    Men kanskje de som betalte for vikinge-kongressen får de plansjene i posten, eller noe.

    Det er mulig.

    Hvem vet.

    Men vi får se hva som skjer.

    Vi får se.

    PS 7.

    Og det, at jeg spurte om hvorfor de ikke gravde opp det vikingskipet i Meols, på Viking-kongressen, i Chester, igår, (lørdag).

    Det var også min måte å oppdatere om, hva jeg selv har gjort, i forbindelse med dette.

    For jeg syntes, at siden jeg først var på den kongressen, så burde jeg også oppdatere om det, at jeg har sendt om det vikingskipet, til Norge og UIO, (eller kulturhistorisk museum der).

    Og det oppdaterte jeg også om, på kongressen, ved at jeg fortalte det, at jeg allerede hadde sendt om dette, til UIO.

    Og før jeg tok opp dette, så så jeg over agendaen, etter lunch, på forhånd.

    Sånn at jeg visste etter hvilket foredrag, som det passet best, å ta opp dette etter.

    For det foredraget var jo om arkeologi, og utgravninger på ‘viking-steder’, på the Wirral.

    Så da syntes jeg det passet bra, å ta opp dette med vikingskipet under den puben, the Railway Inn, i Meols, (hvor jeg har vært å pratet såvidt med en av bardamene osv., som viste meg hvor det hang avisartikler og bilder, osv., om det skipet, inne i puben), i forbindelse med spørsmålene, etter foredraget.

    Så jeg brukte liksom den spørsmålstiden da, etter det foredraget om arkeologoi, i Irby og the Wirral, til å stille litt spørsmål, ved nesten hele kongressen, (for jeg syntes det virka som, at de ignorerte dette vikingskipet litt, i Meols, og nesten prøvde å ‘snakke ned’ innflytelsen fra vikinger i blant annet på the Wirral), og også siden jeg syntes jeg også burde oppdatere da, om hva jeg selv har gjort i forbindelse med dette, etter at jeg var og så i den puben, the Railway Inn da, i Meols, ifjor høst, var det vel, (som jeg har skrevet om på bloggen).

    (Rundt da var det vel).

    For jeg har jo skrevet om dette vikingskipet på bloggen tidligere, og også sendt e-poster til UIO, og kulturhistorisk museum der, om dette.

    Jeg fikk ikke forklart om bloggen min, (og det var vel heller kanskje ikke så interessant, for vikingkongressen, å høre om johncons-blogg, siden den er på norsk, og handler om mye annet også).

    Men jeg fikk ihvertfall såvidt tatt med om at jeg også hadde sendt e-poster til universitetet i Oslo, (til kulturhistorisk museum der, som har en uio-e-post adresse ihvertfall), da.

    (Så jeg prøvde også liksom å komme meg litt på bølgelengde med hele vikingkongressen da).

    Så sånn var det.

    Bare noe jeg tenkte på.

    Så vi får se hva som skjer.

    Vi får se.

    PS 8.

    Han foredragsholderen, fra National Museums Liverpool.

    Han sa forresten det, (som svar til meg), (og gjorde seg litt morsom da), at de ikke kunne grave opp det vikingskipet i Meols, for det var jo under en pub.

    Men, da måtte jeg rette på han, fra salen, fordi at det vikingskipet, det har jeg lest, at er faktisk under _parkeringsplassen_ til puben.

    Og den puben er også veldig stor, med egen resturant-del og også en stor pub-del.

    Og med stor parkeringsplass.

    Så det tror jeg egentlig at nok ville gått greit, å hatt en sånn utgravning der.

    For den puben er så stor, så det tror jeg at antagelig nok ville gått greit.

    Kanskje noen ville ha klaget, men stort sett, så tror jeg nok at det ville ha gått greit.

    Hvis jeg skulle tippe da, jeg har jo bare vært i Meols en gang, så jeg får ikke si det her for sikkert.

    Men men.

    Bare noe jeg tenkte på.

    Så vi får se hva som skjer.

    Vi får se.

  • Jeg sendte en e-post til Kulturhistorisk Museum, i Oslo, og til National Museums Liverpool







    Gmail – Viking-congress in Chester, I've sent about founding for the vikingship in Meols, to University of Olso/Cultural-historical museum Norway, (In Norwegian)/Vikingekongress i Chester/Fwd: Vikingskip i England/Fwd: Svar på spørsmål "hjelp med å grave opp







    Gmail


    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>



    Viking-congress in Chester, I’ve sent about founding for the vikingship in Meols, to University of Olso/Cultural-historical museum Norway, (In Norwegian)/Vikingekongress i Chester/Fwd: Vikingskip i England/Fwd: Svar på spørsmål "hjelp med å grave opp




    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>


    Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 7:43 PM





    To:

    postmottak@khm.uio.no


    Cc:

    rob.philpott@liverpoolmuseums.org.uk



    Hei,

    nå har jeg vært på viking-kongress idag, i Chester, på Grosvenor Museum.
    Jeg hørte ikke noen andre norske der, men det ble snakket om vikinge-tema hele dagen da, (selv om jeg kom litt sent, så jeg fikk ikke med meg de 2-3 første foredragene).

    Men en av de siste foredragene, var med en som heter Dr. Robert Philpott, Curator of Roman and Later Archaeolology, National Museums Liverpool.
    Og han hadde funnet noe som virket som vikinge-langhus, i Irby, (mange folk har gravet der i mange år, var det vel, og brukt millioner av pund), fortalte han i foredraget.

    Etter foredraget, så kunne man spørre spørsmål fra salen, og jeg spurte om hvorfor de ikke gravde opp det vikingeskipet i Meols.
    Det var nok et følsomt tema for hele salen begynte å surre litt da.

    For de er kanskje litt mer norrøne i Meols da, enn i resten av England?
    Også er de engelske kanskje i Chester og 'scouse' i Liverpool, og kanskje nesten muslimske i Nottingham?

    Noe sånt.
    Så det er vel ikke bare bare å grave opp det skipet kanskje.
    Men han sa det, at de kunne ikke datere det sikkert.
    Men jeg sa det, at det var lett å identifisere kulturelt.

    (For han hadde klaget på det, at i Irby, så var det noen ganger vanskelig å se hva som var romersk og hva som var norrønt).
    Men det skipet i Meols var jo klinkebygget, så det må vel da helt sikkert være norrønt.

    Jeg fortalte det, at de hadde et replika-skip, på vikinge-utstillingen der, og det hadde kanskje vært artigere med et ekte skip.
    Han fortalte det, at skipet holdt seg bedre under leira.

    Men da sa jeg det, at da så jo ingen det.
    Jeg sa også det, at i Norge, så graver vi opp vikingeskip, og setter de på museum.
    Da sa the 'chair', som ikke var professor Howard Williams, fra University of Chester, som hadde blitt syk, sa professor Stephen Harding, fra University of Nottingham.

    Men Harding hadde fått en yngre kar med mørkt flippskjegg, (eller hva det heter), til å være 'chair' for del 2 av kongressen.
    Han med flippskjegget sa det, at han visste om flere vikingeskip i Norge, som man ikke grov opp.

    (Men da kunne ikke jeg si noe, for han sa ikke noe stedsnavn, eller noe, og jeg er ikke så ekspert på det her.
    Men det kjenner kanskje dere til).
    Han Dr. Philpott sa til slutt, at de kunne grave det opp, hvis jeg betalte.

    Og da sa jeg, at jeg hadde sendt om dette, til UIO, osv.
    Og jeg sa at Norge kanskje kunne sende noen oljepenger?
    Eller ekspertise da.
    De snakket også om the Battle of Brunanburh.

    Det var Paul Cavill, University of Nottingham.
    Og han sa at Dingesmere, fra kronikene, rundt det slaget, kom fra Ting-havområdet.
    Og de snakka om at det engelske ordet 'dynge', som betydde høy lyd, eller noe.

    Så sa jeg, at 'dynge' på norsk betydde 'heap'.
    Og da sa det at det kunne ikke være 'heap', han med flippskjegget.
    De sa at 'dynge' betydde ikke 'heap' ifølge deres kilder.

    Så det var jo litt dumt sagt av de.
    For de kunne vel ikke norsk.
    Jeg ville bare bidra, siden jeg visste hva ordet 'dynge' betydde på norsk.
    Jeg forklarte også det, at jeg syntes det var relevant, hva 'dynge' betydde på norsk, siden norsk og engelsk en gang var samme språk. old-norrønt, eller noe slikt vel, (hvis jeg husker riktig fra skolen).

    Men det ble ikke godkjent som gydlig, skjønte jeg.
    Men men.
    Jeg sender også dette til Dr. Robert Philpott, siden jeg sa på den kongressen idag, at jeg har sendt om det vikingskipet i Meols, til UIO.

    Håper dette er i orden!

    Mvh.
    Erik Ribsskog
    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Erik Ribsskog <eribsskog@gmail.com>

    Date: 2010/10/18
    Subject: Vikingskip i England/Fwd: Svar på spørsmål "hjelp med å grave opp vikingskip i England"
    To: postmottak@khm.uio.no

    Hei,

    jeg har kommet litt i kontakt, med noen ansatte, på en pub her i England, (i Meols på Wirral), hvor de har funnet et vikingskip, under puben.
    Men de har ikke fått gravd det opp enda.

    Jeg tror at i England, så har de lite statlig kommetanse osv., til slikt, annet enn til 'English Heritage', osv.
    Men dette går jo under nordisk/norrøn kulturarv.
    Men jeg lovte at jeg skulle skrive om det vikingskipet, på bloggen min, i Norge.

    Det var jo norske vikinger, som bodde på the Wirral, og de har stedsnavn som West Kirby og Thurstaston, osv.


    Det var et vikingland, hvor de hadde et eget ting, på et sted som nå heter Thingwall.


    Puben heter 'the Railway Inn', og er en stor og fin pub, med matservering osv.


    Vikingskipet ligger under parkeringsplassen, så det er mulig at puben ville ha syntes det var fint, hvis noen ville grave det opp.


    Jeg skjønte det sånn, at de syntes det var artig, for de har hengt opp avisutklipp osv, i puben, og bilder av vikingskip.


    Det var en av de 'innfødte', som fortalte meg det, at det var et vikingeskip, under en pub der, da jeg gikk så på Meols havn, som jeg hadde lest at hadde vært en gammel vikinghavn.


    Men det er mulig at havna var oppe ved den puben kanskje, og at havnivået har synket?


    På forhånd takk for eventuell hjelp med å grave opp dette skipet.

    Jeg tror de halvveis har forventet seg å høre noe fra Norge nå, siden jeg lovte jeg skulle skrive om det vikingskipet, på bloggen min osv.

    Til hun ene av de to som var der, (begge hadde lyst hår, så kanskje de var etter norske vikinger, tenkte jeg), som tappet øl der.

    Mvh.
    Erik Ribsskog


    ———- Forwarded message ———-
    From: Haustveit, Gunvor <gunvor.haustveit@ra.no>
    Date: 2010/10/18

    Subject: Svar på spørsmål "hjelp med å grave opp vikingskip i England"

    To: eribsskog@gmail.com

    Hei og takk for

    e-post.


    Det er flere kompetansesentra og forskere som er dyktige på feltet

    om vikingskip. Anbefaler først og fremst: Kulturhistorisk museum med

    Vikingskipshuset, dernest Norsk Maritimt Museum og Norsk Institutt for

    kulturminneforskning. I Danmark er det kompetanse ved Roskilde museum.

    Lykke til!


    Helsing

    Gunvor Haustveit
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    www.riksantikvaren.no

    Hei,

    jeg bor i Liverpool, og vet at de har funnet noe

    som sannsynligvis er et
    vikinge langskip, under en pub, (the Railway Inn), i

    Meols, på the Wirral,
    like ved Liverpool, i Merseyside.

    Og en professor, Stephen Harding, ved University of

    Nottingham, har også
    skrevet om dette vikingeskipet.

    Men jeg lurte på om kanskje noen i Norge, kunne

    hjulpet til, å eventuelt
    grave opp dette skipet.

    For jeg var i den puben, ifjor, og prata med noen

    som jobba der, og sa jeg
    skulle skrive om det skipet, på en blogg jeg har

    osv.

    Og det stedet, (hvor norske vikinger dro til, når

    de ble kasta ut av
    Irland), altså the Wirral, er vel ikke så stort, så jeg

    tror ikke de har
    spesial-kompetanse, på å grave ut vikingeskip.

    Det er jo fra oldtiden/vikingetiden, så hvem som

    helst burde vel ikke gjøre
    det.

    Men jeg tenkte jeg kunne bare komme med en

    forespørsel.

    Så kunne jeg tatt det videre, her i England, med

    den puben, og han
    professorer Harding, ved University of Nottingham, som jeg

    også har vært i
    kontakt med, angående St. Olavs-kirken i Chester, hvor også

    norske vikinger
    bodde da.

    Så jeg lurte på om dere kunne hjelpe meg, å høre om

    noen i Norge, kunne
    eventuelt ha tilbudt noe kompetanse, til utgravinger,

    f.eks?

    Kanskje ambassaden i London, eller den britiske

    ambassaden i Oslo, hadde
    vært interessert også.

    Det er jo felles kultur, som det er snakk om her,

    mener jeg.

    Så jeg tenkte jeg kunne prøve å sende en e-post,

    siden jeg snakka med de i
    den puben da, og spurte om det vikingeskipet osv.

    da, som jeg fikk høre om,
    da jeg var og så på den gamle vikingehavnen i

    Meols, og spurte en som jogga
    forbi, om veien, til der vikingene hadde havnen

    osv.

    Og da nevnte han karen det, at de hadde et

    vikingeskip, under en pub der og
    da.

    Så da spurte jeg mer i puben da.

    Og så leste jeg om lignende, i VG online, i dag,

    nede i Tjølling, (hvor jeg
    faktisk bodde på 70-tallet, i Østre

    Halsen).

    Så da kom jeg på dette med vikingeskipet i Meols

    igjen da.

    Så tenkte jeg at jeg kanskje kunne prøve å sende om

    dette til noen i Norge,
    eventuelt, siden jeg har prata med de som jobba på

    den puben, om det skipet
    da, og sagt at jeg skulle publisere om det skipet,

    på norsk.

    Så kanskje de venter at noen fra Norge, skal ta

    kontakt med dem, om det
    skipet nå, tenker jeg.

    Så da må jeg prøve å sende om det vikingeskipet,

    til noen i Norge, som hadde
    greie på sånt, tenkte jeg.

    Så jeg lurte på om dere kunne svare på noe av

    dette, om hvem jeg bør
    kontakte, for å få hjelp til å eventuelt grave opp det

    vikingeskipet, her i
    England, (hvis den puben er interessert da, jeg må jo

    også da høre mer med
    de, om de er interesserte da. Men jeg tenkte, at det

    skadet ikke å høre
    ihvertfall).

    Men men.

    På forhånd takk for eventuell hjelp!

    Mvh.

    Erik Ribsskog