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  • Jeg måtte nesten skrive en e-post til han professoren ved universitetet i Nottingham, siden jeg ble rådet til dette. (In Norwegian)







    Google Mail – St. Olave's Church in Chester







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    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>



    St. Olave’s Church in Chester




    Erik Ribsskog

    <eribsskog@gmail.com>


    Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 7:24 PM





    To:

    Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk



    Hi,

    I'm from Norway, but I live in Liverpool, and the other day, I was in Chester, and I coinsidentily
    stubled upon, the St. Olave's Church, since I thought I had to see a bit of the other towns and

    cities, in the North-West, and not only Liverpool.
    I took some pictures of the church, and posted on my blog.
    From the 'sign' there, it could seem like the church was from the 18th century, so much was

    my surprice, when I searched on the internet, and found, that the chuch was almost a thousand
    years old, built by Norwegian Vikings who were refugees from Dublin, since they lost control there,
    it seems to me, after reading on the internet about this.

    I read on a blog called 'Ainscough Family History', which I found throug Google, about the 'Viking
    march', between the Wirral and Chester.
    So I wrote a comment on that blog, with questions about the St. Olave's Church, and was adviced

    to contact you.
    I was just wondering if the church is listed, since I don't think we have that old viking stone-
    buildings in Norway.
    We have 'stav'-churches, in three, but I don't think we have any stone-buildings, that are this old.

    So, I was just curious about this.
    I also wondered if there had been conflicts between the St. Olave's Parish and the St. Michaels
    Parish, since on one building, 'Nine Houses', the borded between the parishes, was written on

    the buildings facade.
    And, I was also wondering, why it isn't a plaque there, explaining about, that the church is almost
    a thousand years old, built by Vikings from Ireland, because the plaque that's there now, makes

    it almost seem, that the building was built much later, or, it only least the year the church was
    conserved, in the 18th century, I think it was.
    As I understand, all the part of Chester, from the main street, and down to river, used to be

    a Viking-district.
    I was wondering, on some of the half timbered houses, I saw some symbols that looked a bit
    like what we call 'firkløver', that's four-cleaver, I think, in English, could these symbols have

    been from Norway, or are they English, since I heard that these black and white half-timbered
    houses are 'Tudor-style', so I guess that the Vikings, in Chester, would have other types of
    buildings, that was there, before the Tudor-style buildings,contemporary with the St. Olave's

    Church?
    Sorry that I'm asking a lot of questions, I understand if you haven't got the time to answer any
    of these questions.
    I just coincidentaly notices this church, when I was in Chester, and thought it was fun, to see

    place-names, and buildings, named after a Norwegian king, that we learned about at school,
    in Norway.
    And at school, in Norway, we, as far as I remember, only learned about that York, or 'Jorvik',

    like the Vikings called the town or city, was a Norwegian Viking-town or city.
    But we didn't learn about, that there were viking setlements, in Cheshire and Merseyside.
    So I wasn't aware of, that there was Viking-buildings, in Chester, when I went there, so I was

    a bit surprised to see the church, and read about it on the internet, so that was very fun.
    I thought that maybe this church, could be one of the few buildings etc,. that remained,

    after the Vikings, that had to leave Ireland.
    In Norway, we learn at school, that Vikings founded Dublin etc., but we don't learn that
    they went to England, after they lost control in Ireland, so this was fun to learn.

    So sorry again that I'm asking a lot of questions, and thanks in advance, if you have the
    time to explain about any of the questions which I've ask!
    Yours sincerely,


    Erik Ribsskog





  • Jeg fant en engelsk blogg, da jeg søkte om kirken i Chester. Og det viste seg, at de morsomme svarte og hvite husene der er i noe som heter Tudor-stil

    johncons said…
    Hi,

    I’m from Norway, but I live in Liverpool.

    Yesterday, I was in Chester, to have a look at the town, or city I think it is.

    Since I think I should also visit some other places here, than just Liverpool.

    And then suddently I stumbled upon St. Olave’s Church, and that was fun.

    I saw the sign for the street, St. Olave Street, and understood it was the saint we call ‘Olav den hellige’, Olav the holy, in Norway.

    In Norway, we have some wooden churches, ‘stavkirker’, from the viking-age.

    But I wasn’t aware of, that in Chester there is a church built by vikings, so this was very surprising, to me, I didn’t know that there existed stone-buildings like this, from the Vikings.

    There was a sign there, saying that the church was built on, in the 18th century, that it was restaured?

    I was wondering if you know if this building, when it was conserved, in the 18th century was built in the same way, as it used to be?

    I saw that the parishes, between St. Olave’s and St. Michael’s were quite strict defined, since on a building, called ‘the nine houses’, or something, the border between the parishes, was marked, on the fasade of the building.

    So was there like a conflict there, between the ‘Viking’ parish, and the St Michael’s Church parish?

    The people living in the Viking part of town, must have been quite poor then, since the parish was joined with the neighbour parish.

    The tradition with the black and white timber-buildings, that one see, in Chester, and also in other towns in Britain, on pubs etc., where is this tradition from.

    I guess that’s typically British then, is it from the Normans or something?

    Sorry if I’m asking a lot of questions, I just thought it was fun that a Viking-church in stone, existed, to this date.

    Is the building listed, or graded, or what the right term is, and why haven’t it got a proper sign on it, that says its from the Viking-age, because from the only sign I saw, it looked like it was from the 18th century, but that was really when it was conserved, I understood, when I later searched about the church on the internet.

    I took some pictures in Chester, so I can add a link, so it’s possible to understand what I meant with the sign, or plate.

    Sorry that I ask so many questions, by the way, I just thought it was very fun, to see that a church like this, existed, from the Vikings, I wasn’t aware of that.

    Thanks in advance for any answers to all the questions!

    Sincerely,

    Erik Ribsskog

    PS.

    Here is the link I mentioned, with the pictures of the church etc., from Chester:

    https://johncons-blogg.net/2009/07/fler-bilder-fra-chester-mm-in-norwegian.html

    6:37 AM

    boobelle said…
    Hi Eric
    Im afraid I am no expert on these churches or Chester – try emailing Professor Stephen Harding (Steve.Harding@nottingham.ac.uk) at Nottingham University, the content of that blog post was from him….the black & white timber framed buildings though are from the Tudor times in England, not Viking! Im very interested in what you find out about the churches – please share…
    B

  • Her ser vi at måkeungene, fra måkefamilien i Leather Lane, har funnet noe greier på taket, som de driver å leker med. (In Norwegian)

  • Her er fra det romerske hagen, i Chester, hvor man kan se ruinene til søylene, fra det romerske badet, som ble bygget der for snart 2000 år siden vel

    PS.

    Det var ikke så oversiktlig, i den parken der, så slutten ble litt uoversiktelig.

    Men jeg tenkte på en ting.

    At de lager parker og utgravinger, og det som er, fra romersk arkitektur, fra 2000 år siden.

    Men den St. Olavs kirke, eller St. Olave’s Church, som også ligger i Chester, den er jo ca. 1000 år gammel.

    Og den er vel kanskje ikke vernet, i det hele tatt.

    Og i Norge, så finnes det vel ikke så mye steinbygninger, fra vikingetiden, gjør det det da?

    Ihvertfall så blir den St. Olave’s Church, brukt til mye rart, og jeg tror ikke den er vernet.

    Ihvertfall, så klarte jeg ikke å se noe ordentlig skilt, som forklarte, at den kirken var fra vikingetiden osv.

    Mens de romerske minnene, de er veldig bra skiltet, med forseggjorte plater, både her og der.

    Men, jeg vil tippe, at den kirken, St. Olave’s Church, den må vel være noe av det eneste, som finnes igjen, etter de norske vikingene, som koloniserte, eller styrte, Irland.

    For det var norske flyktninger, fra Dublin, som slo seg ned sør i Chester, og hadde bl.a. et eget prestesogn, som het St. Olave’s Parish, hvis jeg har forstått det rett.

    Jeg synes det er rart, at det ikke er noen krefter i Norge, eller i Storbritannia, som har gjort om den kirken, til et museum, eller noe.

    En forseggjort plakett, som forklarte at dette var en kirke bygget av norske vikinger, i vikingetiden, det synes jeg ihvertfall at den kirken hadde fortjent.

    Jeg leste noe på nettet, som kunne synes om at den kirken nå ikke ble tatt så godt hånd om, av sine nåværende eiere.

    Skal jeg se om jeg finner mer om det.

    Vi får se.

    Med vennlig hilsen

    Erik Ribsskog

    PS 2.

    Ja, jeg fant ikke den linken nå, men jeg fant en annen link, om hva som foregår, i St. Olave’s Church nå for tiden.

    Det er kinofremvisning.

    Det kan være at jeg misforstod den andre linken jeg tenkte på, og at det var han briten, som hadde den bloggen jeg leste på, som spurte om noen visste hvilken historie den kirken hadde, og ikke omvendt.

    Det er mulig.

    Her kan man ihvertfall se, at den 23. juli, så skal det være filmfremvisning, i St. Olave’s Church, om en franskmann, som oppholdt seg på noen liner, mellom World Trade Center-tårnene, før de ble bombet da, 11. september 2001.

    Jeg synes at det her kanskje lukter litt New Age(?)

    Her er linken ihvertfall:

    http://www.panda-arts.org.uk/events?id=1040

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  • Video fra elven Dee, som renner gjennom Chester. (In Norwegian)

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