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Feb 13th 2008, 3:11 am #1
johncons
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Hi,I’m really a Nurse living in Britain, but I searched on the internet, regarding some problems I’ve been having, when I tried to go to the USA, in 2005.
Then I had some problems with the Detroit Imigration Control, and they wrote some text in my passport, and sent me back to Oslo, via Paris.
Here’s what was written:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi…&id=1059338080
Just now, I searched on the internet, on the text ‘8 CFR 217.4 (a)’.
And I found this post, on this message-board:
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73347
The post-writer, seems to have been having a similar problem as I had, when I tried to go to the US, for a holiday, two or three months, in February 2005.
I wanted to rent a car in Detroit, and drive and see a bit of the country.
But I wasn’t let through the passport-control, and I had to sit an answer questions in a room, for several hours.
And I suspect they were calling like, the Norwegian government, and things like that.
I’m not sure exactly what they mean with ‘no ties outside of the US’.
But if they were afraid that I would exploit the American welfare system, then I think that was a bit strange, since Norway has like a generous, or what the right word is, welfare system.
But anyway.
I had a rented storage in Oslo, with City Self Storage there.
Is that considered a tie outside of the US, I was wondering.
And I have a grandmother in Norway etc., but I’m not sure if that’s considered a tie.
The reason I’m wondering how they define ‘a tie’, is that I’m a bit worried, that people, who they define, as not having ‘a tie’, is being played games with, used as ‘target guys’, etc, by the CIA etc.
So I’m trying to get whatever it is that is going on to stop.
This is a link, where I’ve been trying to explain what’s going on a bit better:
http://johncons.trykker.com/2008/02/…22-pa-engelsk/
So, I would be very if someone knows they define ‘a tie’, because it’s sometimes a bit stressful, with whats going on, and I suspect it could be linked with what happened in the Detroit Imigration Control, or what they are called, in 2005.
So thanks very much in advance for any help!
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Feb 13th 2008, 9:16 am #2
Folinskyinla
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Originally Posted by johnconsSo, I would be very if someone knows they define ‘a tie’, because it’s sometimes a bit stressful, with whats going on, and I suspect it could be linked with what happened in the Detroit Imigration Control, or what they are called, in 2005.
So thanks very much in advance for any help!
Hi:First of all, your facebook link needs a password of some sort.
“Ties” is equivalent to a home outside of the US which you intend to return to.
The 8 CFR 217.4(a) notation simply shows that you were refused entry on the Visa Waiver program — please note that this does NOT count as a formal removal. And fortunately, the “no ties” notation shows that there was NO fraud finding.
The VW is simply an admission under the equivalent of the “B-1/2” non-immigrant categories. [There are some procedural differences]. If you look up section 101(a)(15)(B) of the Immigration & Nationality Act, the very definition of visitor requires that one have home abroad with no intention of abandoning it.
So the reference to “ties” is to show the existence of a residence abroad AND an intent to return to that residence. And those ties can change. For example, the three month visit at a land border is indication of coming to the US to stay — and it was up to you to show that was not true. BTW, did you have a confirmed ticket out of the US or did you simply plan to return to Canada?
That said, since you were not formally “removed”, you are entitled to a new determination if you seek to obtain visitor status again.
You now have proof of an excellent tie to the EC — you have a good job. Do you have other proof of residence in the UK? I’m not familiar with the UK documents that a citizen of another EC country might have that show residence in the UK — driver’s license, Council taxes, etc? That is also good evidence of a residence in the US.
I hope this helps. It is not all that difficult.
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johncons
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Hi,thank you very much for your answer!
Here is a link, by the way, wich has a picture of the passport etc:
http://johncons.trykker.com/2008/02/…32-pa-engelsk/
I’m not really sure if I understand this, but I wasn’t allowed an entry to the USA, because I went there right after my studies in Sunderland, and since I then went to London, and then Holland and Germany.
And then I bought a ticket from Frankfurt to Detroit.
And then I wasn’t allowed an entry to the US, since I didn’t have a non-US address, as I understand it now.
Thats the meaning of ‘a tie’, like I understand it now.
So if one haven’t got a non-US address, then one shouldn’t go to the US, because then you aren’t going to be let in to the country.
Thats how I understand it.
I wasn’t really aware of this at all.
I had a storage where I had the things I couldn’t bring with me to Sunderland.
And I really had a British address as well, since I had really agreed with the Univeristy of Sunderland, that I would stay there untill the summer of 2005.
But there were some problems, with my studiy-finance, and getting the 3rd yeard bachelor computer modules from Sunderland, approved by my home university, HiO, in Oslo.
So I suspect that there could have been something phoney going on with the study-finance and the approveal of the modules.
Anyway, these problems, took a bit of the focus away from the lectures etc.
So I finally recieved my study-finance, in January, about four months late, then I was so behind schedule, that I thought it was smarter to just try to get a job.
So thats why I went to London.
And then there were some problems with some criminal networks, or something like that, there as well, it seemed, so I had to move on.
And after a while, I got a bit tired of these problems, that I didn’t really understand, so I thought I could maybe go to the US, because I didn’t think I would be having problems with being recognised everywhere, like it seemed a bit like I was having a problem with in Europe.
In Detroit, they said that I couldn’t use the visa, that in a way is in the electronic passport that I’ve got, any longer, since I had no lost that possiblity, due to the mentioned problems.
And there has almost been nothing but problems with government/intelligence, something like that, after this episode, so I suspect that they could be linked.
Also, when I got to Oslo, from Detroit, via Paris, then my suitcase wasn’t there.
I had to wait untill the next day for my suitcase.
It appeared then, that some homeland security, or something like that, had withheld my suitcase, since I had a lighter there, together with all my other stuff, from Sunderland.
And also, they said there, in Detroit, that if I didn’t go to Oslo, via Paris, or to London (to which I didn’t want to go, due to the mentioned problems), then I had to stay in prison there, untill the next day.
I didn’t want to start having habbits like going to prison, so I thought it sounded smartest to go to Oslo, even if I think it would have a bit fun to maybe see a bit of the US, on the way to and from prison.
But maybe they would have just put me in a car, from which one couldn’t look out.
So I didn’t actually have a return-ticket, but I had the study-finance money, from Sunderland.
Because I thought it would be smarter to use the money, to get a new job and a flat etc., than continue, with the models there, since I was so behind schedule then, so I don’t really think I would had a chance of passing all the exams anyway.
So I just tried to use my head really, and then contact the University, when I had settled, in London, like I had planned.
But this didn’t go like I had planned it, and I had some problems with my face (long story), on top of this as well, so I just wanted to get a way a bit from the problems, so I thought it could be a good idea, to get away from Europe a few months, and then maybe my face would be better, and could try to get a job etc, when I returned, after a few months.
But I didn’t really understand, why it seemed, that I was recognised everywhere, it was a bit tirering, thats why I tried to go to the US.
But I didn’t really know how to explain all this, with the criminal networks and all to the Imigration Control, I was a bit afraid, that with my luck, I would probably just be sent to Guanatanamo, or something like that, and I didn’t really understand what was going on, so I just told about the University, and the study finance, and things like that.
But I guess I should contact, like eg. the American Embassy, or something like that.
But I think that, one maybe should be a bit carefull, about letting some government, finding out, that one haven’t got an address, if one go travelling, after ones studies etc., then one could be a bit in problems, if the Government find out that you haven’t got ‘a tie’.
At least it seems that way to me.
I’m not sure who to discuss this with, because I don’t this is something that is official.
So I’m not sure if this is something that the different governments want to discuss.
But it seems to me that Governments take advantage of things like this, and I also think that it can sometimes be annoying.
If it is like it seems to me.
Because, I don’t want to complain, but I think that, even if people haven’t got an address at the moment.
Even so, I think that they still have human rights.
So I suspect a bit, that if one are a bit unlucky with the Imigration Control, then one can get to situations were ones human rights, aren’t looked that carefully after.
At least it seems that way to me.
So maybe other people also could get into similar problems, if they are unlucky with the Imigration Control.
But I guess I should try to bring this up with organisations like Amnesty and Human Rights Watch, etc.
Sorry that I’m writing very much here, I know I can’t expect people to read all this, or to answer all my questions, so I understand it if I don’t get any replies to this post.
If one are a Norwegian citizen working in Britain, then one have things like a national insurance number, council tax/utillity bills, British bank-account, etc., so I think it sounds smart to bring things like that probably yes, if one wanted to try to go to the US again.
But I really think I would need to contact the American Embassy and here with them.
But thanks anyway for the reply, it had a lot of usefull information in it, so I’ll look more at this, and then I’ll decide what to do next.
So thanks very much again for the help!
But thanks very much again for the answer, I
Feb 13th 2008, 10:09 am #4
johncons
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Originally Posted by johncons
Hi,I’m really a Nurse living in Britain, but I searched on the internet, regarding some problems I’ve been having, when I tried to go to the USA, in 2005.
Then I had some problems with the Detroit Imigration Control, and they wrote some text in my passport, and sent me back to Oslo, via Paris.
Here’s what was written:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi…&id=1059338080
Just now, I searched on the internet, on the text ‘8 CFR 217.4 (a)’.
And I found this post, on this message-board:
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73347
The post-writer, seems to have been having a similar problem as I had, when I tried to go to the US, for a holiday, two or three months, in February 2005.
I wanted to rent a car in Detroit, and drive and see a bit of the country.
But I wasn’t let through the passport-control, and I had to sit an answer questions in a room, for several hours.
And I suspect they were calling like, the Norwegian government, and things like that.
I’m not sure exactly what they mean with ‘no ties outside of the US’.
But if they were afraid that I would exploit the American welfare system, then I think that was a bit strange, since Norway has like a generous, or what the right word is, welfare system.
But anyway.
I had a rented storage in Oslo, with City Self Storage there.
Is that considered a tie outside of the US, I was wondering.
And I have a grandmother in Norway etc., but I’m not sure if that’s considered a tie.
The reason I’m wondering how they define ‘a tie’, is that I’m a bit worried, that people, who they define, as not having ‘a tie’, is being played games with, used as ‘target guys’, etc, by the CIA etc.
So I’m trying to get whatever it is that is going on to stop.
This is a link, where I’ve been trying to explain what’s going on a bit better:
http://johncons.trykker.com/2008/02/…22-pa-engelsk/
So, I would be very if someone knows they define ‘a tie’, because it’s sometimes a bit stressful, with whats going on, and I suspect it could be linked with what happened in the Detroit Imigration Control, or what they are called, in 2005.
So thanks very much in advance for any help!
And I wrote ‘Norse’, and not ‘Nurse’.I took a back-up, of the post, after I’d submitted it:
https://johncons-blogg.net/…ard-still.html
So this harassment-problem, I’m goint to bring up.
It helps showing that there is something going on.
Feb 13th 2008, 10:32 am #5
augigi
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Erik, if I were you I’d remove the facebook album that has your passport details etc displayed – it’s amazing what people can do with your personal details.Feb 13th 2008, 10:37 am #6
johncons
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Erik, if I were you I’d remove the facebook album that has your passport details etc displayed – it’s amazing what people can do with your personal details.
Hi,yes you’re very right, I removed my bank account number already, so I am aware of the problem you’re bringing up regarding identity theaft etc.
I’m not sure how it fits with the Imigration-stuff, but nevermind.
Thanks anyway!
Erik
Feb 13th 2008, 11:02 am #7
Tracym
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Erik, meant most kindly – there are some bits in your previous post that are a bit… unusual. I am wondering if you are feeling quite well, perhaps you might like to seek out a doctor as well, just to make sure that you are ok.
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johncons
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Erik, meant most kindly – there are some bits in your previous post that are a bit… unusual. I am wondering if you are feeling quite well, perhaps you might like to seek out a doctor as well, just to make sure that you are ok.
I think people shouldnt reply to posts if they haven’t got anything to contribute with regarding the subject of the thread.So I would just like to inform the message-board that I don’t really appriciate being f-ed around, like the poster here seems to be trying to, so from now on, I’m not going to reply to harassing posts.
It’s seems like people speculate, to bring the focus away from the real subject of the discussion, at that is a menace, or what the right word is again.
It’s not really something that should be sought after.
Feb 13th 2008, 11:15 am #9
Tracym
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Originally Posted by johncons
I think people shouldnt reply to posts if they haven’t got anything to contribute with regarding the subject of the thread.So I would just like to inform the message-board that I don’t really appriciate being f-ed around, like the poster here seems to be trying to, so from now on, I’m not going to reply to harassing posts.
It’s seems like people speculate, to bring the focus away from the real subject of the discussion, at that is a menace, or what the right word is again.
It’s not really something that should be sought after.
No, I was really trying to be nice. I’m sorry you don’t feel that way.
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Originally Posted by Tracym
No, I was really trying to be nice. I’m sorry you don’t feel that way.
Keep to the subject.Don’t bring feelings into this.
Feb 13th 2008, 11:32 am #11
Tracym
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Originally Posted by johncons
Keep to the subject.Don’t bring feelings into this.
Good luck to you. I hope you find the help you need.
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johncons
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Good luck to you. I hope you find the help you need.
You are really anoying me.Please stop acting personal towards people you don’t know.
And this is a message-board, not a chat-room.
Feb 13th 2008, 11:40 am #13
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Keep to the subject.
Okay… you need to understand that, almost without exception, the US immigration laws are specifically designed to keep non-US citizens *out* of the country. You have no right to enter the US – even as a visitor… it is a privilege. By the way, your “human rights” were not violated just because you were not allowed into the US.Quote:
And this is a message-board, not a chat-room.
This is a public forum… you are *not* obligated to read any responses you get.Ian
Feb 13th 2008, 11:48 am #14
johncons
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Okay… you need to understand that, almost without exception, the US immigration laws are specifically designed to keep non-US citizens *out* of the country. You have no right to enter the US – even as a visitor… it is a privilege. By the way, your “human rights” were not violated just because you were not allowed into the US.This is a public forum… you are *not* obligated to read any responses you get.
Ian
‘Keep to the subject’, wasn’t to you.I’m not obligated to read respones I get.
What kind of nonsense is that?
You are patronising me, and thats harassment, thats illigal.
Stick to the topic, or go f off.
Feb 13th 2008, 11:54 am #15
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‘Keep to the subject’, wasn’t to you.I’m not obligated to read respones I get.
What kind of nonsense is that?
You are patronising me, and thats harassment, thats illigal.
Stick to the topic, or go f off.
These seems like organised attacks by the way.Definetly something going on.
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Originally Posted by johnconsYou are patronising me, and thats harassment, thats illigal.
Stick to the topic, or go f off.
I see no one subjecting you to “harassment” on this forum, and I would ask you not to swear.Thank you
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That said, since you were not formally “removed”, you are entitled to a new determination if you seek to obtain visitor status again.
Would the OP be entitled to the VWP now, or would he need to apply for a B1/2 visa?Feb 13th 2008, 12:42 pm #18
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These seems like organised attacks by the way.Definetly something going on.
Johncons, you are clearly suffering from delusional paranoia. Your talk of government conspiracies, Immigration conspiracies, organized crime, your face being recognized everywhere, harassment etc. is delusional, and you need to seek psychiatric help far more than you need immigration advice.Oh, and yes I’m sure you’ll take offense at this post, tell me to f-off and announce that I’m part of the conspiracy, but that won’t change the fact that you need to get medical help.
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Johncons, you are clearly suffering from delusional paranoia. Your talk of government conspiracies, Immigration conspiracies, organized crime, your face being recognized everywhere, harassment etc. is delusional, and you need to seek psychiatric help far more than you need immigration advice.Oh, and yes I’m sure you’ll take offense at this post, tell me to f-off and announce that I’m part of the conspiracy, but that won’t change the fact that you need to get medical help.
That’s what I was trying to gently say. Johncons is almost certainly ineligible to visit the US at present, due to his medical condition.If that condition can be treated and stabalised, he might be able to visit.
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I’m going to guess how your POE experience went:POE Officer: Hi there! And what brings you to the US?
Johncons: I thought I could maybe go to the US, because I didn’t think I would be having problems with being recognised everywhere, like it seemed a bit like I was having a problem with in Europe. But I didn’t really understand, why it seemed, that I was recognised everywhere, it was a bit tirering, thats why I tried to go to the US.
POE Officer: Alrighty then… huh, come againMost people say “for a holiday” or “to see relatives” or “to get a hooker in vegas”. I think any of those responses would have been better.
That may account for some of your problems getting in. The ties thing probably didn’t help matters, but I think they were the least of your worries.
Feb 13th 2008, 1:10 pm #21
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I’m going to guess how your POE experience went:POE Officer: Hi there! And what brings you to the US?
Johncons: I thought I could maybe go to the US, because I didn’t think I would be having problems with being recognised everywhere, like it seemed a bit like I was having a problem with in Europe. But I didn’t really understand, why it seemed, that I was recognised everywhere, it was a bit tirering, thats why I tried to go to the US.
POE Officer: Alrighty then… huh, come againMost people say “for a holiday” or “to see relatives” or “to get a hooker in vegas”. I think any of those responses would have been better.
That may account for some of your problems getting in. The ties thing probably didn’t help matters, but I think they were the least of your worries.
He is ill I believe, he can’t help it. I hope things work out for him.
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You are patronising me, and thats harassment, thats illigal.
Clearly, you need to learn more about US law and what is or isn’t considered harassment.Ian
Feb 13th 2008, 1:37 pm #23
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These seems like organised attacks by the way.
I’ll say this… you do seem to have your share of adventures! I invite the gentle readers of this forum to read the following links:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Johncons … something about pizza. The discussion at the bottom is really interesting!
and
http://johncons.blog.com/2008/1/ … scroll down and read the entry: “Re: Inhumane treatment from the Government”.
Sad really… very sad!
Ian
Feb 13th 2008, 2:13 pm #24
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Best entertainment I’ve had all day! But it is early in the morning here on the West Coast (0714).Feb 13th 2008, 2:15 pm #25
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Livets tre.
Sefer Yetsira presenterer Guds framtreden i verden gjennom ti stadier, kalt sefirot og kombinerer dette med et system for bokstavmagi, der de 22 bokstavene i det hebraiske alfabetet representerer ulike metafysiske prinsipper.
Kabbalistene var også opptatt av korrespondanser – sammenhenger mellom bokstaver og tall, mellom farger og lyder, mellom planter og stjerner osv.
Spesielt viktig for kabbalistene er et okkult diagram som kalles livets tre, der Guds utstrømming i verden framstilles gjennom ti stadier, fordelt på fire nivåer.
Menneskets fysiske eksistens utspiller seg innenfor den nederste sfæren, Malkuth. Neste trinn, som svarer til den astrale verden, er månesfæren Yesod. Denne har ifølge kabbalaen en objektiv eksistens, og ved hjelp av spesielle teknikker kan mennesket lære seg å ferdes der i sitt astrale legeme. De to neste sfærene, Hod og Netzach er også aspekter av den astrale verden.
Det mentale legemet har sitt hjem i den mentale verden, som består av solsfæren Tifareth samt Jupiters og Saturns sfærer som kalles Chesed og Gevurah.
Menneskets ånd er også trefoldig i dette skjemaet, den består av de tre aspektene Kether, Chokmah og Binah. Kether er det høyeste punktet i den manifesterte verden; bak Kether er eksistensens tre slør. Kether spalter seg i de to aspektene Chokmah og Binah, og derved har den første trefoldighet oppstått, likeså den første polaritet.
For ikke å gå glipp av nyansene i dette skjemaet, kan vi huske på at hele dette “livets tre” utgjør Malkuth i et større tre; og at hver sfære inneholder et helt tre.[rediger] Korrespondanser
Det er utviklet omfattende systemer av korrespondanser, der sefirot og veiene mellom dem knyttes til spesielle farger, toner, planeter og astrologiske tegn, planter, tall, metaller og kjemiske forbindelser. Slike systemer av korrespondanser står fortsatt sentralt i magiske og okkulte systemer.
[rediger] Middelalder og renessanse
De viktigste kabbalistiske skriftene fra 1100-tallet er Sefer ha Bahir , Sefer ha-Temuna og særlig Sefer ha Zohar (Stråleglansens Bok), skrevet i Spania omkring år 1300 av rabbi Moses de Leon.
I den palestinske byen Safed, utviklet Isak Luria kabbalismen videre i det sekstende kristne århundre. Den lurianske kabbala som har fått navn etter ham, har hatt stor betydning for mange nyere retninger innen jødedommen, herunder chassidismen.
Kristne munker og filosofer studerte gjerne hebraisk for bedre å forstå Bibelen. Enkelte av disse tok også opp studiet av kabbala, og den spanske filosofen Ramon Lull utarbeidet rundt år 1300 en kristen tolkning. Det viktigste nye ved Lulls system var at han brukte kabbalistisk symboltolking og numerologi til å bevise den kristne læres sannhet. Lulls kristne kabbalisme ble viderutviklet av Giovanni Pico della Mirandola og fikk stor betydning for Giordano Bruno og renessansens hermetikere.
[rediger] Moderne kabbalismeI den okkulte renessansen i Europa fra midten av 1800-tallet har kabbala spilt en sentral rolle. I H. P. Blavatskys teosofi samordnes kabblismen med østlig esoterisme. Livets tre sidestilles da med chakrasystemet.
I de magiske selskapene som Golden Dawn og dets arvtakere som Ordo Templi Orientis er kabbalaen og det hebraiske skriftspråket sentrale elementer.
De siste årene har det også vakt oppmerksomhet at den amerikanske popstjernen Madonna og andre ikkejødiske kjendiser har sluttet seg til Philip Bergs Kabbalah Center i Los Angeles. Mange jødiske kabbalister ser med stor skepsis på Bergs virksomhet, og beskylder ham for å vanne ut den ekte kabbalismen med new age-begreper.http://www.wiki.guff.no/index.php?title=Kabbala
PS.
Ja, hvordan kan vi se dette med Kabbala, iforbindelse med det som jeg som en aktuell teori, en krig mot blonde/nordiske?
Ja, jeg har selvfølgelig ikke lest hva som står i disse skriftene.
Men man kan se at OTO, (jeg skal ikke prøve å skrive det fulle navnet).
Disse ble av bloggen Independent Ltd, siet å være Illuminati i Norge.
Og også Madonna er med på dette Kabbala-greiene.
Og hun oppfører seg horete når hun farger håret blondt, og når hun har håret mørkt, da er hun en fin dame som oppfører seg ordentlig.
Hva vet jeg.
Hva med Talmud.
Depeche Mode hadde en sang som het noe med Tora.
Og den var det visst noe med, sa Cecilie Hyde, i Svelvik, på slutten av 80-tallet, husker jeg.
Så disse Kabbalistene, de vet nok hva som foregår.
Vi ser i teksten at det okkulte hadde en renessanse, midt på 1800-tallet.
Det betyr en gjenn-oppblomstring, på 1800-tallet.
Det er nok fordi at hekse-jakten stod så høyt i kurs, i middelalderen.
Middelalderen har dårlig rykte nå, men kan det være at det er kabbalistene og heksene, som driver å sverter Middelalderen, og at den egentlig var ganske fin og hekse-fri?
Hva vet jeg.
Men man ser at jøder i Sør-Europa var fans av Kabbalismen.
Pluss nå i våre dager, så er også ikke-jøder med på dette, som Madonna osv.
Så dette er et fenomen som går flere tusen år tilbake i tid, men det er samtidig også et 1800-talls fenomen og et New Age-fenomen.
Så for tusen år siden, så ble det kanskje kalt hekser.
På 1800-tallet og frem til i våre dager, så har det vel blitt kalt Tora eller Talmud eller Kabbalisme, eller hvem vet hva.
Eller New Age eller Wiccha?
Hvem vet.
Men dette er nok ting som er oppe å kjøre, i våre dager.
Cecilie Hyde styrte nok hun Eva Olsen, i Svelvik, og fikk henne til å være hore.
Og de to fikk meg til å bli med til besteforeldrene hennes.
Så her var det noe lurings.
Jeg var jo hos Cecilie og dem, hvorfor måtte jeg plutselig bli med til besteforeldra til Eva Olsen, med lyst hår fra Svelvik, som jo var sammen med en med mørkt hår, og som var reporter i Se & Hør, ifølge søstra mi og Cecilie?
Nei dette var snodig.
Så jeg vet ikke nøyaktig hvordan dette med krig mot blonde og Kabbala og annen mystifisme hører sammen, men spør Cecilie Hyde eller Eva Olsen fra Svelvik, så vet nok de.
Så sånn er nok det.
Med vennlig hilsen
Erik Ribsskog
PS 2.
Her er den Depeche Mode-sangen som hun Cecilie Hyde fra Svelvik hinta om at det var noe med vel:
PS 3.
Teksten til den sangen var rimelig kryptisk, (hvis det ikke var noe med frosker som regnet fra himmelen, eller noe. Hvem vet):
They were raining from the sky
Exploding in my heart
Is this a love in disguise
Or just a form of modern artFrom the skies you can almost hear their cry
Tora! Tora! Tora!
In the town they were going down
Tora! Tora! Tora!I had a nightmare only yesterday
You played a skeleton
You took my love then died that day
I played an AmericanFrom the skies you can almost hear them cry
Tora! Tora! Tora!
In the town they were going down
Tora! Tora! Tora!I played an American
I played an American -
Jeg har jo skrevet om på bloggen, at familien min i Norge, på både morssiden og farssiden, består mye av djeveldyrkere.
For å si det på den folkelige måten.
Eller illuminister da, for å si det på den akademiske måten, eller hva man skal kalle det.
Kanskje det var derfor, at faren min ga meg en bok engang, under oppveksten på 80-tallet.
‘Det overnaturlige’, eller noe sånt.
Det var en bok, som var større enn A4, A3 kanskje, i bokstørrelse.
Så det var en lettlest bildebok.
Og der stod det om frosker som falt ned fra himmelen og djevelutdrivelse osv.
Men faren min fortalte ikke hvorfor han ga meg boka.
Det var ikke julegave, eller noe sånt.
Men dette var nok noe med at han og Haldis og Jan, sønnen til Haldis, nok var illuminister, eller djeveldyrkere da, for å si det på den folkelige måten.
Så sånn var nok det.
Med vennlig hilsen
Erik Ribsskog
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[20:37] * Now talking in #wikipedia-no
[20:37] * Topic is 'I samma stund som segern var klar sprang m??nniskor i Oslo ut p?? sina balkonger och sj??ng refr??ngen till ???Fairytale??? och spelade luftfiol || There's no wikipedia like no.wikipedia'
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[20:53] <Atluxity> Kagee, TOOLS Norge
[20:56] <ZorroIII> Atluxity: man sjekker ose.no
[20:57] <Atluxity> har pr?vd, fant ikke noe mulighet for ? s?ke etter firmanavn
[20:58] <Kagee> Atluxity: var vist ikke s?? lett ?? finne som jeg trodde :s
[20:58] <Kagee> ikke funnet et eneste spor
[20:58] <Atluxity> man skulle ikke tro det var vanskelig, men jeg har pr?vd f?r jeg spurte
[20:58] <Kagee> finner ingenting p?? brreg helelr :-S
[21:03] <Ose> zorolll: ?
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[21:05] <ZorroIII> Atluxity: Tools Norge eies av Bergman & Beving Integration Ab
[21:05] <Atluxity> ja, og?
[21:05] <Atluxity> da finnes de ikke p? oslo b?rs?
[21:07] <john_cons> de er kanskje NUF, norsk utenlandsk registrert foretak
[21:08] <john_cons> har jobbet som company researcher
[21:09] <john_cons> nei de var visst as
[21:09] <john_cons> http://www.purehelp.no/vis.asp?company_name=TOOLS+NORGE+AS&ftknr=5B4B4744431F404C45
[21:09] <john_cons> men det svenske firmaet eier 100% av aksjene
[21:10] <john_cons> s? da er de nok ikke p? oslo b?rs
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[21:51] <Atluxity> john_cons, hyggelig ? se deg her, lenge siden jeg har sett deg her n? 🙂
[21:52] <Atluxity> la ikke merke til at du var her
[21:52] <john_cons> heisann, ja jeg har f?tt ny vifte p? pc-en, s? n? klikker ikke pc-en hele tida, s? da g?r det ann ? v?re p? irc
[21:52] <john_cons> men men
[21:53] <Laaknor> 🙂
[21:53] <john_cons> jeg har hatt noe problemer med wikipedia, som jeg tenkte jeg kunne pr?ve ? finne ut av
[21:53] <john_cons> selv om det antagelig blir stress
[21:53] <Atluxity> f?r h?pe det l?ser seg uten s? alt for mye stress 🙂
[21:54] <john_cons> ja, det f?r vi h?pe
[21:54] <john_cons> jeg kan jo begynne med at brukernavnet mitt ble sperret p? wikipedia, uten noe s?rlig bra grunn
[21:54] <john_cons> men det er sikkert stress
[21:54] <Atluxity> hva er brukernavnet ditt igjen?
[21:54] <john_cons> Johncons
[21:54] <Atluxity> jeg husker ikke n?yaktig
[21:54] <Atluxity> skal se p? det
[21:55] <john_cons> ok, kult, thanks
[21:55] <john_cons> hvem er du igjen da Atluxity, kjenner jeg deg fra oslo?
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[21:56] <Jarvin2> Noen DDE fans her?
[21:56] <john_cons> bare lurte, er ikke vant til at folk er s? vennlige
[21:56] <john_cons> bare fleiper
[21:56] <Atluxity> Jeg signerer som "Hans-Petter" p? wikipedia, vi kjenner nok ikke hverandre noe bedre enn via wikipedia
[21:57] <john_cons> nei, stemmer det, jeg har jo v?rt her noen ganger og diskutert
[21:57] <john_cons> bare lurte for sikkerhets skyld
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[21:57] <Atluxity> Jeg pr?ver ? v?re fair mot alle, du har aldri gjort meg noe spesielt
[21:57] <Atluxity> 🙂
[21:57] <john_cons> ok
[21:57] <john_cons> not bad
[21:58] <john_cons> jeg hadde s?nn vifte p? laptop-en, som fulgte med laptop-en, som ikke virka som den skulle, s? da re-starta laptop-en hele tida
[21:59] <Atluxity> hater n?r det skjer, er s? irriterende
[21:59] <john_cons> men den vifta slutta ? virke, s? n? har jeg kj?pt ny vifte p? e-bay, s? n? virker laptop-en hele tida
[21:59] <Atluxity> min driver ? lager gresshoppelyder for tia
[21:59] <john_cons> ja, s? n? kan det tenkes at jeg henger mer p? irc etterhvert, vi f?r se
[21:59] <john_cons> ja, okey
[21:59] <john_cons> rart at den reservedel-vifta jeg kj?pte p? e-bay f?r laptop-en til ? virke, mens den som fulgte med pc-en fikk den til ? re-starte
[22:00] <john_cons> men men
[22:00] <john_cons> kunne ikke v?re p? irc v?tt, for pc-en restarta hele tida
[22:00] <john_cons> men men
[22:01] <Atluxity> du blei jo blokkert fordi du lagde litt for mye "st?y" da, syntes ihvertfall enkelte. Jeg er villig til ? gi deg en ny sjanse, men pr?v ? hold litt lavere profil, ok?
[22:02] <Atluxity> ellers sl?r det liksom tilbake p? meg ogs?
[22:03] <john_cons> ja, jeg skal gj?re det, vi kan jo godt h?re med flere administratorer og
[22:03] <john_cons> kanskje det er bedre ? h?re n?r han 'sjefen' er her
[22:03] <john_cons> jeblad, mener jeg
[22:03] <Atluxity> jeg ber deg ikke om ? godta hva som helst, eller at du ikke f?r lov til ? drive p? wikipedia… jeg veit ikke om sakene blei l?st eller om det har roa seg eller hva
[22:03] <john_cons> hvis man er noe sjef da
[22:04] <Atluxity> hehehe
[22:04] <Atluxity> nei, ingen sjef
[22:04] <john_cons> ?key
[22:04] <john_cons> ja, ja det h?res bra ut det
[22:04] <john_cons> jeg er jo ikke nybegynner n?
[22:04] <john_cons> jeg kan heller h?re her inne kanskje, eller noe, hvis det er noe jeg ikke skj?nner
[22:04] <john_cons> s? blir det ikke s? mye st?y, eventuelt
[22:05] <Jarvin2> Har vi f?tt ny direkt?r her?
[22:05] <john_cons> for i begynnelsen s? var det s?nn at jeg tok opp ting jeg ikke skj?nte, s? ble det 'st?y' av det liksom
[22:05] <john_cons> hvem da mener du?
[22:06] <john_cons> jeg bare pr?ver ? rydde opp i noe problemer jeg har hatt p? wikipedia
[22:06] <john_cons> men jeg regna med at det ble stress
[22:07] <john_cons> jeg trodde nesten jeblad var en slags sjef, men han er vel bare aktiv
[22:08] <john_cons> jeg er ikke s? god p? wikipedia-ting
[22:08] <john_cons> men det er kanskje bedre at jeg driter meg ut her inne, enn p? wikipedia?
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[22:16] <john_cons> jeg hadde problem med serveren
[22:16] <john_cons> kanskje jeg m? finne en stabil server
[22:16] <john_cons> men men
[22:19] <john_cons> er det noen her?
[22:20] <john_cons> kanskje problem med server enda
[22:20] <john_cons> men men
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[22:41] <blue^elf> noorse 🙂
[22:41] <noorse> hee 🙂
[22:41] <noorse> 'kveld blue^elf 🙂
[22:54] <Jetro> hallo noorse : D
[22:55] <noorse> nemmen 🙂
[22:55] <noorse> godt aa se demses!
[22:55] <noorse> nettet er ikke helt stabilt her, forresten
[22:55] <noorse> ser ut som om det kan vaere uvaer paa gang
[22:56] <blue^elf> a-ha
[23:00] <Atluxity> john_cons, har du referanse p? det om Stoltenberg?
[23:01] <john_cons> ja det st?r p? bilderberg-group-siden
[23:01] <john_cons> og en annen side
[23:01] <john_cons> et sec
[23:01] <john_cons> http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_over_Bilderberg-konferansenes_deltakere
[23:02] <john_cons> og ogs? her st?r det:
[23:02] <john_cons> http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg-gruppen
[23:02] <Atluxity> ah, da s?
[23:03] <john_cons> Under f?lger et utdrag av konferansens deltakere. En mer utfyllende liste finnes i underartikkelen liste over Bilderberg-konferansenes deltakere.
[23:03] <john_cons> [rediger]Norge
[23:03] <john_cons> K?re Willoch,[1][21][22] Gro Harlem Brundtland,[1][21][22] Jens Stoltenberg,[1][21]
[23:03] <john_cons> k
[23:03] <john_cons> jeg lurte p? noe annet og
[23:03] <john_cons> fra de problemene med wikipedia jeg prata om istad
[23:03] <john_cons> men det er kanskje bedre ? ta det p? en ukedag
[23:03] <john_cons> n?r det er fler folk her
[23:04] <john_cons> det var fra f?rste gangen jeg redigerte p? norsk wikipedia
[23:04] <john_cons> s? hadde jeg ikke f?tt brukernavn enda
[23:04] <john_cons> s? jeg skrev med ip-adressen da
[23:04] <john_cons> ogs? dukka det opp en administrator kjetil ree eller kjetilr
[23:05] <john_cons> ogs? skreiv han kommentar 'cons, ikke gj?r det og s?nn da'
[23:05] <john_cons> at jeg redigerte feil
[23:05] <john_cons> for jeg bruker noen ganger nicket 'cons' p? irc
[23:05] <john_cons> men hvordan kunne han vite at det var meg liksom?
[23:05] <john_cons> n?r jeg bare hadde skrevet med ip-adressen p? wikipedia
[23:06] <john_cons> det var rart alts
[23:06] <john_cons> men det blir kanskje mye n?, s? det er kanskje bedre ? ta en seinere dag
[23:06] <john_cons> siden jeg ikke skulle lage s? mye st?y osv
[23:07] <john_cons> eller, det er jo l?rdag kveld, s? vi f?r kanskje ta det litt rolig 🙂
[23:07] <Atluxity> vel… du har jo v?rt litt aktiv p? andre forum, s? folk har kanskje lagt merke til deg… og du skrive p? en litt gjenkjennelig m?te
[23:07] <john_cons> ja, det er kanskje det
[23:07] <john_cons> det bare frika meg ut
[23:07] <john_cons> men men
[23:08] <john_cons> jeg f?r vel kanskje glemme den saken da
[23:08] <Atluxity> skj?nner at det kan ha gjort det, spesielt etter ? ha lest litt p? bloggen din om hva du har opplevd 🙂
[23:08] <noorse> hmm – synes det Atluxity sier rimer her 🙂
[23:08] <john_cons> ja, han kjente kanskje igjen m?ten jeg skreiv p? fra veggavisen
[23:08] <john_cons> det kan v?re
[23:08] <noorse> det hender at folk har en saa egen stil at de kjennes igjen selv om de skriver via IP'er
[23:08] <john_cons> han kjetil ree
[23:08] <noorse> mhm
[23:09] <Atluxity> john_cons, og ogs? hva du skrev om
[23:09] <noorse> han har og vaert paa wiki lenge
[23:09] <john_cons> ja det er mulig
[23:09] <john_cons> det bare var litt spesielt for jeg trodde jeg skreiv som anonym
[23:09] <noorse> tror du kan legge den der til side 😉
[23:09] <john_cons> men drit i det
[23:09] <john_cons> ja, jeg f?r gj?re det
[23:09] <Atluxity> man er ofte mer anonym n?r man har logget inn med et eller annet brukernavn
[23:09] <john_cons> da er det bare noe greier jeg lurte p? om da jeg ble blokka igjen
[23:10] * noorse nikker
[23:10] <john_cons> ja, det er vel ikke s? farlig om han kalte meg cons, var bare jeg som lurte f?lt
[23:10] <john_cons> men men
[23:10] <john_cons> det siste jeg husker
[23:11] <john_cons> det var at han der s?nnen til ansgar gabrielsen
[23:11] <john_cons> hva heter han igjen her da
[23:11] <john_cons> flums
[23:11] <john_cons> flums var det
[23:11] <john_cons> han sa at orkla ville ikke at jeg skulle skrive om grandiosa p? wikipedia
[23:11] <john_cons> at jeg ikke fikk lov ? skrive p? wikipedia, for det hadde orkla bestemt
[23:12] <john_cons> det der skj?nner jeg ikke enda
[23:12] <john_cons> ogs? sa han at jeg var fra et hemmelig organ
[23:12] <john_cons> ogs? ble jeg blokkert, for jeg tok opp det p? tinget
[23:12] <john_cons> ogs? sa jeblad at flums hadde f?tt en advarsel for en 'practical joke'
[23:13] <john_cons> men jeg synes ikke det var noe artig sp?k akkurat
[23:13] <john_cons> det virka ikke som noe practical joke for meg
[23:13] <john_cons> men det burde jeg kanskje ta med jeblad, siden det var han som sa det var det
[23:14] <blue^elf> jeg har ikke snakket med Flums om det eller noe, men jeg er ogs? ganske sikker p? at det var en sp?k. ikke den beste i verden, men likevel… bare sp?k
[23:14] <john_cons> okey
[23:14] <noorse> mhm,
[23:14] <john_cons> han sa ogs? at han hadde fire jobber, i rimi, i orkla og to andre steder
[23:14] <noorse> det mangler veldig mye av kommunikasjonen naar vi bare skriver
[23:15] <john_cons> og han flums, han har ogs? skrevet p? sin hjemmeside
[23:15] <noorse> da kan spoek lett misforstaas – det er vrient aa skrive slikt tydelig
[23:15] <john_cons> 'johncons om du ser dette, s? er jeg like i h?lene p? deg'
[23:15] <john_cons> skrev flums p? hjemmesida si
[23:15] <john_cons> etter at han hadde f?tt en reprimade fra jeblad for ? ta practical joke mot meg her
[23:16] <john_cons> s? dette fortsetter andre steder enn p? wikipedia
[23:16] <john_cons> men jeg har kanskje tatt opp nok ting n?
[23:16] <john_cons> det er litt seint n?
[23:16] <john_cons> jeg kan ta det en annen dag, n?r det ikke er s? seint
[23:16] <Atluxity> jeg har m?tt flums flere ganger, og han pr?vde nok bare ? v?re morsom :S
[23:16] <john_cons> ja, men han hadde jo g?tt over streken en gang
[23:16] <john_cons> det er vel kanksje greit
[23:17] <john_cons> men at han skal fortsette ? tulle med meg, p? hjemmesida si og da
[23:17] <Atluxity> han er ikke s? aktiv lenger, p? wikipedia og irc ihvertfall
[23:17] <john_cons> som wiki op
[23:17] <Atluxity> han er jo med i styret til wikimedia norge da
[23:17] <john_cons> har han ikke et ansvar for ? ikke tulle for mye med vanlige wiki-folk?
[23:18] <Atluxity> p? lik linje med alle sammen
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[23:18] <noorse> alle har vel et ansvar for aa takle folk paa best mulig maate
[23:18] <noorse> problemet er at vi er veldig ulike
[23:18] <john_cons> ok, og det fra hjemmesida hans, h?rer det hjemme her?
[23:18] <noorse> det du taaler, kan vaere jeg ikke taaler
[23:18] <noorse> nei
[23:18] <john_cons> okey
[23:18] <noorse> bare om du tar det med ham direkte
[23:19] <noorse> det som har med wiki aa gjoere, kan vi nok kanskje hjelpe til med – men ikke resten
[23:19] <john_cons> ok, men flums sa at han jobba for orkla, stemmer det eller, eller var det ogs? tull, lurte jeg p? n?
[23:19] <john_cons> at han ekstrajobb for orkla
[23:19] <noorse> sorry, det vet jeg ikke noe om 🙂
[23:19] <john_cons> for da kan han jo ha v?rt inhabil
[23:19] <john_cons> okey
[23:19] <noorse> saa godt kjenner jeg ham ikke
[23:19] <john_cons> skj?nner
[23:19] <john_cons> men kanskje det hadde v?rt interessant ? vite
[23:20] <john_cons> for wikipedia skal vel v?re upartiske
[23:20] <Atluxity> nei, han jobber for et firma som heter Linpro
[23:20] <john_cons> men n? ble jo den artikkelen skrevet om da
[23:20] <john_cons> ja, men han sa han hadde masse ekstrajobber
[23:20] <john_cons> han er jo s?nn av ansgar gabrielsen, en tidligere minister i en borgelig regjering
[23:20] <noorse> kanskje han har hatt sommerjobb en gang i fortiden?
[23:20] <john_cons> han har vel kanskje kontakter her og der gjennom faren
[23:20] <noorse> ehm….
[23:20] <Atluxity> umulig ? si
[23:21] <noorse> akkurat 🙂
[23:21] <john_cons> nei, p? dav?rende tidspunkt, da han sa han representerte orkla
[23:21] <noorse> det der blir original research 😉
[23:21] <Atluxity> jeg kan h?re med han ja
[23:21] <john_cons> ja, n? skriver vi jo ikke artikler n? da noorse
[23:21] <john_cons> vi skriver ikke n?
[23:21] <noorse> nei, det stemmer
[23:21] <john_cons> men men, det er litt seint og
[23:21] <noorse> men jeg er ikke glad i aa snakke om folk som ikke er her 😉
[23:21] <john_cons> nei, vi f?r ta det seinere
[23:22] <Atluxity> jeg skal snart legge meg… f?tt meg hund, og den er morgenfugl…. morgenfuglehund…
[23:22] <noorse> hm
[23:22] <john_cons> hvis Atluxity h?rer med flums, eller vi ser det ann
[23:22] <noorse> den tar stand ved sengen og stikker av med dynen, Atluxity ?
[23:22] <john_cons> okey, takk igjen for hjelpen
[23:22] <noorse> 🙂
[23:22] <john_cons> jeg f?r heller pr?ve ? se om det er noen damer p? nettet som vil chatte, siden det er om kvelden
[23:22] <john_cons> vi f?r se
[23:22] <john_cons> bare tuller
[23:23] <john_cons> jeg f?r stikker herfra selv og, s? tar jeg det heller til uka
[23:23] <john_cons> hadetbra!
[23:23] <noorse> god natt!
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Nå er jeg fra Berger, så jeg pleide å lese Drammens Tidende, for farmora mi abonnerte på den.
Så noen ganger kikker jeg på nettsidene.
Og nå er det landsmøte i FRP.
Jeg har tidligere skrevet om på bloggen at partier som AP og FRP virker å være inndelt i to hovedfløyer.
Norsk fløy og New World Order-fløy.
Nå synes jeg dette er ganske tydelig i FRP.
At her er Siv Jensen i New World Order-fløyen.
Vi har gåten Siv Jensen som har en hype ala det Gro Harlem Brundtland hadde nesten, men som har litt lite innhold i sin politikk, og hva med gåten personen Siv Jensen?
Hvorfor har ikke Siv Jensen ‘hjemme hos’-intervjuer osv?
Jeg leste for noen år siden, (10-12 år siden kanskje), at Siv Jensen hadde en søster eller noe, som hun lånte Kokai-klær av.
Til å ha på seg i Stortinget.
Og da var det noen som ikke likte det merket, fra KRF, som klagde.
I-en i Kokai skrives med to prikker over.
Forstå det den som kan.
Men men.
Men hvorfor har ikke Siv Jensen noen ektemann etc?
Er det denne Kokai-søsteren som styrer Siv Jensen kan man nesten lure på.
Ihvertfall lurer jeg litt på dette.
Men men.
Siv Jensen har også globus-formet ørepynt og halskjede, i Dagbladet idag.
Globus/globalising/New World Order-symboler.
Er det noen sammenheng?
Og hva med Carl I. Hagen, som bygde opp partiet?
Han får ikke lov å åpne kjeften, men har blitt satt som senior-partileder, med ansvar for pensjonistene i partiet.
Men Carl I. Hagen får ikke lov å bestemme noe om den vanlige politikken.
Så her lokker Carl I. Hagen eldre til å stemme partiet, så må de leve med Siv Jensens kalde New World Order-politikk, må man vel kalle dette.
Da har jeg tatt for meg FRP nasjonalt.
FRP Drammen
Her har vi en som heter Vanebo, som nok er i okkult/New World Order-fløy.
Vanebo er for aktiv dødshjelp, (kan brukes i plott hvis NWO vil ha fjernet noen), han er for støtte til homofile og lesbiske, (husk NWOs agenda om å utslette den hvite rase), han skriver tull på facebook, ‘sitter i fuckings boring kommunestyremøte’ og tar med drita fulle 16 år gamle jenter fra Drammen til Oslo, på valgvakenatten, så jentene blir taua inn av politiet og overlatt barnevernet.
Og han synes aktiv dødshjelp er fint.
Jaja.
Jeg mistenker ihvertfall at han er i samme delen av partiet, som Siv Jensen.
Men men
Også har vi en enklere å sette på kartet vel.
Det er han Knudsen i artikkelen over.
Han vil ha støtte til norsk kultur og ikke utenlandsk kultur.
Han vil ikke ha så mye støtte til lesbiske og homofile osv.
Han er en vanlig kar da.
Mens han Vanebo nok er en mer sånn ‘Depeche’-aktig kar, som de ble kalt i Drammen på 80-tallet.
Sånn ‘blackis’.
Som søstra mi var og venninna hennes Cecilie Hyde var, og søstra mi bodde i leiligheten min i et halvt år, så jeg kjente de her ganske bra.
Og de hadde en sånn smellvakker blond jente, som så helt A4 ut, som nok var noe slags slave, eller noe, for disse.
Ja, nå blander jeg mye her.
Men jeg tror at Siv Jensen vil kjøre en beinhard New World Order-politikk og fortsette Arbeiderpartiets politikk, som har ført til mer korrupsjon og tullball.
Altså en New Age-politikk, som jeg mistenker vil være veldig skadelig for Norge.
De, (New World Order), har en krig mot de nordiske, og da tror jeg ikke det kan være særlig gunstig å ha Bilderberg-Siv Jensen ved makten.
Det blir det samme som å ha han Vanebo ved makten ca., vil jeg si.
Med tulling med 16-år gamle fulle jenter og tullete Facebook-meldinger osv.
Men med Siv Jensen bli tullingen med hele Norge da, hvis det jeg mistenker er riktig.
Så sånn er nok det.
Med vennlig hilsen
Erik Ribsskog
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PS.
Litt rar design på logoen til bandet kanskje, (hvis det ikke er logoen til albumet):
PS 2.
Jeg så egentlig det bandet på en kanal som heter +1 nå.
Hva er +1?
Jo, det er Channel 4, som har en ekstra-kanal, for de som har sånn digital tv-boks, som jeg kjøpte for et par uker sida, for 10 pund ca.
Og den kanalen er litt rar, den er akkurat som Channel 4, bare at den sender en time forsinket.
Så hvis det er noe man gikk glipp av, eller vil se igjen, på Channel 4, da zapper man over til +1 da, så dukker det samme programmet opp en time senere der.
Så sånn er det.
Med vennlig hilsen
Erik Ribsskog
